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Maverick:

city of joy choostunna..thx for suggesting



ela undi movie....ekkada choosav ?
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Rebel:

City of joy book ayithe too good....wanting to see the movie



watch it mama
movie is ok....I liked it
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Elcaminocapastrino:

a perrfect example for ur narration
but here instead of a deserted place its in happening place



good fellas scene kekaa dude....single shot over 3 minutes...
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Elcaminocapastrino:




City of joy book ayithe too good....wanting to see the movie
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Killer225:

ee cinema + inkaa konni coppola cinemalu edit chesina Walter Murch raasina Blink of An Eye aney book lO ee cinema editing process gurinchi chaalaa interesting facts cheputaaru....editing interest untey ee book must read....



thx dude...asala ee movie chudalanna interest naku mee site lo pettina "art of editing" video chusaka kaligindi...andulo opening shot chusi mind block..
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oka aavu meda narakadam chupistradu cinema lo. i was shocked when I saw it first time.



munde imdb comments lo chusa idi...anduke aa scene start avagane inka chudaledu..
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Maverick:

city of joy choostunna..thx for suggesting



very good book...movie is good too
but have to watch patiently though....
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Elcaminocapastrino:




city of joy choostunna..thx for suggesting
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Gotcha:

i was shocked when I saw it first tim



really
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ee cinema anta successful kaadu but like old wine it became a cult classic. air raid scene untundi asalu too much untundi with ride of valkyers music in the back.

oka aavu meda narakadam chupistradu cinema lo. i was shocked when I saw it first time.
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tammudu Ready rendosari sossava?
Ekkado munigi ikkada tela
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Mav,
El already analysis vesaru but Pather Panchali was all about the magic children see and then the realities people accept...Nenu cheppatama waste...This is Akira Kurosawa on Pather Panchali

/**Twenty years after the release of Pather Panchali, Akira Kurosawa summarised the magic of the film as follows, "I can never forget the excitement in my mind after seeing it. I have had several more opportunities to see the film since then and each time I feel more overwhelmed. It is the kind of cinema that flows with the serenity and nobility of a big river... People are born, live out their lives, and then accept their deaths. Without the least effort and without any sudden jerks, Ray paints his picture, but its effect on the audience is to stir up deep passions. How does he achieve this? There is nothing irrelevant or haphazard in his cinematographic technique. In that lies the secret of its excellence."**/
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
ik aise gagan ke tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWUOI_oxeOc&feature=related
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Yahoo:


Maama, after reading your analysis,this shot sequence came intomy mind.Goutham ghosh only telugu movie 'Mana bhhomi',depicts how child labour and fuedalism at 1940's.



kool babai...
somehow desi parallel cinema boring anipisthaddhi as already manam chaala matuku avanni daily life lo sootham...child labor kaani,poverty kaani,
salaam bombay kaani....satyajit ray movies kaani...mostly avey depict setthuntai...
one movie I really njoyed was city of joy....too much untaadhi
om puri ..patrick sway ze...ayesha dharkar...too much chestharu...
if possible watch it...oka rkamina +ve spirit untaadhi aa movie lo which is severely missing in ray movies....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpf3IFL-kVM
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Elcaminocapastrino:




Maama, after reading your analysis,this shot sequence came intomy mind.Goutham ghosh only telugu movie 'Mana bhhomi',depicts how child labour and fuedalism at 1940's.
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Maverick:

wahts special about this scene..i saw it,but didnt feel so special..is it special because its made in 1955?



babai
i didnt c the movie before...even if i have i don't remember clearly
but just by seeing this shot this is why I think it appealed to many westerners
Any director is held completely successful if he portrays what his characters are seeing in his movie aesthetically and at the same time honestly to the audience
The kids in this shot hailing from a village spending a lazy afternoon in the fields with the train being one of the most intriguing factor of their life...its like some phenomenon for em....like how we used to be in awe of flights when we were kids....
so the director perfectly captures that awe of those kids for that train
builds it from the vibrations and the sounds the female actress id feeling from the post...then anticipation..the appearance..that surge towards the train and then the massive departure....one shot...perfectly captured the moment as if it has happening accidentally...
in between the lush fields adding to scene....showing the appearance of train through the fields...camera zips onto the kids running for it...
intersting...aint it???
I didnt c the movie...so i cant say if there is any metaphor for train.....
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Anand_n:

I was not talking about the complexity of getting the balance and movement right though...

I was looking at it from just artist view of the finished frame...that a mistake on part of the camera wielder in the play of light and shadow can make or break a frame much more easily when there is less to distract the eye in the frame :-)

What's your take on Citizen Kane ?



Regarding Citizen cane...apart from the innovations like deep focus etc, that people talk about, it didn;t live up to my expectation...I didn;t like Citizen Cane...

I think my friend's POV is different, he was disparaging the cinematographer's creativity of visuals on a large canvas...there is a level of art a cinematographer could achieve...it has got nothing to do with close-up or Extreme long shot...for a cinematographer, it wil be roughly same measure of creativity with any shot size...since getting a long shot visually pleasing and technically correct is difficult, I was saying my friend's POV is incorrect...

Now coming to less distraction to eye comment of yours....Even in a Close-up, if the actor is preforming well and the narrative is flowing, no one really looks at how it was shot...for example, in Taxi driver, there was a scene between Robert Deniro and Jodie Foster in a restaurant...where the medium shots and close-ups are not followed according to 180 degree rule...not many people would notice it, but they are not correct but still the scene works....

Now imagine the same scene with long shot covering these two artists looking in different directions and few tables of the restaurant...this shot would be technically incorrect as in case of medium shots above, but doesn;t work from narrative perspective and the audience would suddenly think why they are looking in different directions than they are supposed to...

A mis-composed medium shot was working while the same mis-copmosed shot would have failed in the above example...it's not always true that getting away with mistakes in long shots is possible because a long shot covers more elements...leading the eye in to the visual and placing the point of interest at a proper place with propely highlighting important details is lot difficult in long shot...if you do it incorrectly, the impression registered in audience mind would be different and will not be in line with the narrative...

Cinema for the larger audiences can not be poetic--Andrei Tarkovysky
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Anand_n:

the train scene ffrom Pather Panch




wahts special about this scene..i saw it,but didnt feel so special..is it special because its made in 1955?
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Unortho,
Na scene kosam search kodite mee scene dorikindi ...the train scene ffrom Pather Panchali:-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGaIAWn2PJo
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
ik aise gagan ke tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWUOI_oxeOc&feature=related
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Killer225,
Virumandi chudaledu :-(

Satyajit Ray's movies chudani serious film makers India lo undi undaru emo anukuntunna :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
ik aise gagan ke tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWUOI_oxeOc&feature=related
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Unortho,
Excellent detailing of the shots :-) I was not talking about the complexity of getting the balance and movement right though...

I was looking at it from just artist view of the finished frame...that a mistake on part of the camera wielder in the play of light and shadow can make or break a frame much more easily when there is less to distract the eye in the frame :-)

Only last night I was watching a documentary on american cinema narrated by Martin Scorcese... I posted here too .. he kept going back to Duel in the sun... another timeless classic like Bridge on the River Kwai :-)

What's your take on Citizen Kane ?
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
ik aise gagan ke tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWUOI_oxeOc&feature=related
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babai
watch it for the first 6mins
U will c wat I was talkin about
u will be really hooked to this one...esp gary oldmans amazing performance after he finds out winona is dead....classic dude....check out for the score too and also his costume....ulti
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gdmWc3-iXLw&feature=related
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Killer225:



roshomon was shot mostly in dense forests with no proper light it seems
and kurosowas fav cinematographer Kazuo had a challenge to pic it there as they dont have enough equipments wrt lights and also just like god fathers cinematographer he was also in fav of natural light mostly
So they bought these huge mirrors and started to reflec the light on to frames it seems...very interesting.....
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Maverick:

Sarkar raj lo ide funda


Actually...RGV wasn;t always like this...as he became more experienced, he is moving closer and closer to the actors...and using long and extreme long shots very sparingly...Personally, I would like to see RGV returning to Rangeela, daud, satya, comapany kind of style...I guess till naach he was using a balanced mix of long, medium and close shots...

I guess it all started with Sarkar, the film where I saw lot of departure from his earlier style...the thing is, previously, only for ultra-low budgeted films, he used to use this style...Anyway, in art there is no right or wrong way, but only personal style prevails in the end...

Anand_n:

subrata mitra/ray- the shot from pather panchali where apu peeps thru a hole in the blanket -is beautiful:-)


Don;t remember this...but I thought apu wondering at the train passing by is the signature shot of the film...
Cinema for the larger audiences can not be poetic--Andrei Tarkovysky
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Elcaminocapastrino:



yeah rendu talk vinnaa....waiting for the weekend
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Killer225:

by the way ikkada hellboy/darknight release kaaledhu...waiting for this friday....



hell boy2 too much undhi...sampesadu del toro....
dark knight u must be knowing by now
Nolan pulled it to be the best comic movie ever....
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avunu konchem rashoman touches untaayi...multiple narration indulo kudaa....kaani rashoman antha comlex kaadhu....by the way repu Rashoman (Akutagawa's short story) Navatarangam.com lO telugu loki translate chesi publish chestunnaa veelaithey chadavandi....
by the way ikkada hellboy/darknight release kaaledhu...waiting for this friday....
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Anand_n:

Last Tango in Paris - watched it in late 80's...andaram cousins serious ga movie choostunte oka ultra-conservative uncle walked in at the wrong time



haha happens
intlo pulp fiction choosthuntey nenu drug addict ipoyanemo ani edupulu + complaints to dad....
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ee shot as it is Kamal veerumandi lo copy kottaaru observe chesaaraa



virumandi heavily inspired from kurosowas roshomon anta kadha
I didnt see virumandi...but saw roshomon....
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Anand_n:

subrata mitra/ray- the shot from pather panchali where apu peeps thru a hole in the blanket -is beautiful




ee shot as it is Kamal veerumandi lo copy kottaaru observe chesaaraa....actually there are series of shots in Veerumandi which looks very similar to the scenes from Pather Panchali.
May be Kamal would have watched Pather Panchali before directing these scenes anipinchindhi naaku
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Unorthodox:


4) Shot 4: it combines all 3 above: You want to say this is the house on an isolated street and in one of the rooms our character is sitting...and you don;t want to cut between Extreme long(shot3) , long(shot 2) and close-ups(Shot 1)...the choice you have is a choreographed shot that preserves space and time...you show an empty street first, then make a pan to show the house, then track to go inside the room and then go close to the actor's face...in one move, you are covering different shot sizes combined in one...now imagine how difficult to get this shot right...from mechanical moves of pan, track...from lighting perspective...and getting actor's lines right when the camera moves close to him...




a perrfect example for ur narration
but here instead of a deserted place its in happening place
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sWYe-Ef3u5M
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Last Tango in Paris - watched it in late 80's...andaram cousins serious ga movie choostunte oka ultra-conservative uncle walked in at the wrong time ...taravata maku andariki class what kind of movies r u watching ani:-)

subrata mitra/ray- the shot from pather panchali where apu peeps thru a hole in the blanket -is beautiful:-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
ik aise gagan ke tale
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apocalypse meeru tv lo chusuntey chaalaa miss aiyyi untaaru...
apocalypse redux dvd techukuni chudandi....super untundhi kaani konchem length ekkuva...
ee cinema + inkaa konni coppola cinemalu edit chesina Walter Murch raasina Blink of An Eye aney book lO ee cinema editing process gurinchi chaalaa interesting facts cheputaaru....editing interest untey ee book must read....
ee book chadivaakey nenu editing nerchukunnaanu....
by the way sindhuraam first scene ikkadunchey inspiration anukuntaa...
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Unorthodox:

Close-up of an actor's face performing.




Sarkar raj lo ide funda
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Anand_n:

but I see your friend's point...when there is less stuff on the screen the play of light,and hence the artistry of the cinematographer becomes more critical to the visual experience...


Hmm, don;t agree...Ok, let's run through few examples...

1) Shot 1: Close-up of an actor's face performing...most of the times, it's the actor's performance that matters and gets the message across...if a cinematographer is detailed enough, he would play little bit with the angle, nose space, light etc, while confining to that close-up...it will be lot easier handling that small confined space...if it's an interior shot, not a big deal at all...it's very easy to hide the lights...if it's exterior, and if sun is falling in an inconvenient direction, the actor can be turned or may be reflectors can help...

2) Shot 2: Let's say the blocking of the shot includes the person, the sofa he is sitting on and all the stuff in that room...now you got more elements to consider your mis-en-scene...the shot can not stand on actor's performance alone...you are trying to register in audience's mind, what kind of room he is in...at this point you have a challenge of thinking what parts of the room you need to highlight/include to support the narrative and the position of those elements in relationship with the actor and the room you chose might not allow the lights you want to put up due to space constraints...

3) Shot 3: Let's say you want to show that the house is in an isolated location...You show the street and surroundings and then pan to the house (this could have been done in one master shot, but let's say nailing down the idea that there is an isolated street is my intention, and I want to show the street first for a few seconds and then the house). In this case the camera is looking at street first and the house next...If it's during day time, may be there is a shade formed in front of the house, which needs to be accounted for...the pan may not be smooth in first take...there may be some disturbance on street which needs to be shown vacant...blah...blah..blah...or may be light from sun is more in some part of the street and need to make sure that the image doesn't go white...see the complications involved....also I can not rotate the house here, the front of the house is where it is...

4) Shot 4: it combines all 3 above: You want to say this is the house on an isolated street and in one of the rooms our character is sitting...and you don;t want to cut between Extreme long(shot3) , long(shot 2) and close-ups(Shot 1)...the choice you have is a choreographed shot that preserves space and time...you show an empty street first, then make a pan to show the house, then track to go inside the room and then go close to the actor's face...in one move, you are covering different shot sizes combined in one...now imagine how difficult to get this shot right...from mechanical moves of pan, track...from lighting perspective...and getting actor's lines right when the camera moves close to him...

The shots 1-4 are in increasing order of challenge the cinematographer would face in terms of technical details, aesthetic choices and artistic preferences...



Elcaminocapastrino:

with great directors it will be never about time...79 or 89 or 2009 they will end up making classics...


Exactly...you would never feel The bridge on the river kwai is an old film


Elcaminocapastrino:

Have u observed that chopper scene with doors soundtrack in the background setting up fire balls in the plush fields of vietnam....


This is unmistakably similar to Eisensten's butcher scene from The Strike


Rebel:

sindooram lo 1st scene ee movie 1st scene nundi copy aa ? bombing on the green fields...


babai, what a coincidence I too felt the same when I watched Sindhooram...Don;t know if KV ever watched Apocalypse now...but yeah, very very similar...
Cinema for the larger audiences can not be poetic--Andrei Tarkovysky
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elcam and unortho inka ilanti movies emanna unte seppandi...



coppola dhi Dracula ani movie untaadhi
adhi choodu
DVD konukkuni pettuko
kummi dhobbuthaadu
one of the best anuko....aa movie gave him lots of scope to experiment with colors and frames and split camera techniques....
cinematography Michael Balhaus scorcesse movies chesthuntaadu...
oka fire circle nunchi rising sun shot ki skip avvatam.....ilaaanti transitions masthu untaii aa movie lo...dhaaniki oka techinical name undhi marchi poya...
ultimate movie,amazing performances...too much background score....
gary old man,winona ryder fan vi iipothav movie choosina thatuvaatha

watch it
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elcam and unortho inka ilanti movies emanna unte seppandi...
sindooram lo 1st scene ee movie 1st scene nundi copy aa ? bombing on the green fields...
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Siloan:

yelcome back babai...etaiponaav?



saana busy babai....moodu time zones lo work seyyalsi vasthundhi
asia pacific europe and USA:D
coppola brando anagaaney thattukoleka post sesina...
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Unorthodox:

the shots are up-close and Marlon Brando in full flow with his monologue...



One more monolgue of Brando from Bernardo bettuluccis The last Tango in Paris
Sitting before the coffin of his dead wife
telling her all those obvious things and explaining how he is going to miss her
that movie camera I will never understand...
its a rat hole apartment and the camera will moving like a dream all over...how he did that no idea...
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Anand_n:

when there is less stuff on the screen the play of light,and hence the artistry of the cinematographer becomes more critical to the visual experience...




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Yevadu boora voodhithey Pamulannee bussumani puttalo nundi bhayataku vasthaayo, vaade Pavala
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ee movie chusara ?
ninne TV lo chusa...very gud movie...1979 lone aa photography,locations adurs...



rebel
with great directors it will be never about time...79 or 89 or 2009 they will end up making classics...
Have u observed that chopper scene with doors soundtrack in the background setting up fire balls in the plush fields of vietnam....
Amazing.......
THe movie proved to be too much for coppola....he lost everything init striving for quality....
the actoe martin sheen suffered a stroke owing to the stress created by the huge schedules...
everyone says god father is the best movie ever made...its because god father has human drama anyone can relate to
but ideally Apocolyse Now should get that honors....
A text book for movie making...
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Unortho,
agree that the shot size has nothing to do with the aesthetics and that u need all sizes...but I see your friend's point...when there is less stuff on the screen the play of light,and hence the artistry of the cinematographer becomes more critical to the visual experience...
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
ik aise gagan ke tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWUOI_oxeOc&feature=related
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Elcaminocapastrino:




yelcome back babai...etaiponaav?
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Unorthodox:

Marlon Brando in full flow with his monologue...and the lit areas are constantly changing...I liked the scene, while Brando unleashes his magic...



Horror........Horror..........the greatest monologue in movies by the greatest actor...the camera captures him in such a way u will not c the complete profile of brando any time ...it adds a lot of myth to the character which has already been hyped up in the initial proceedings....one of the reasons for not showing his complete profile was that he was getting too obese and coppola doesnt wanted to portray him an obese....


Unorthodox:

I heard once Vittorio Stararo told Shyam benegal, when they met in New York, that his source of inspiration is Subrato Mitra, who was a regular with Ray...



every cinematographer I met mentions subratos work.....one of my friends frend went to interview him it seems long time back.....
all the time while giving the interview subrato was making calculations it seems...length...light....focus....as if he is shooting a scene and he is holding a light meter....he is full of it it seems...totally into the profession
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ee movie chusara ?
ninne TV lo chusa...very gud movie...1979 lone aa photography,locations adurs...


Oh yeah...first time when I watched it in '94, in a film festival, 'Apocalypse now' left me speechless...one viewing would be just enough to a make an indelible impression on a viewer...

The man behind those sweeping images from the hairiest jungles of philippines is Vittorio Stararo, who won an academy award for this film and went on to win for 'The last emperor' and another film (I forgot the name)...he is one of the most revered in cinematography circles...He is a regular with Bernardo Bertolucci, who opines that 'cinema is the only true art of 20th century'...his speciality is playing with colors on epic canvas...

The speciality of Gardon Hill (God father) is shooting in dark areas and I heard that sometimes he used just candle lights for some of the scenes in God father...it's basically playing with contrast between dark and light areas...in Apocalypse Now, in the confrontation scene between Wilalrd and Kurtz...the shots are up-close and Marlon Brando in full flow with his monologue...and the lit areas are constantly changing...I liked the scene, while Brando unleashes his magic...

He employed different colors for different stages of life of pui in 'The Last Emperor'...which was later copied by many directors, such as use of black and white for flash back...

I heard once Vittorio Stararo told Shyam benegal, when they met in New York, that his source of inspiration is Subrato Mitra, who was a regular with Ray...

I was discussing Stararo's work with a friend who made a short and I was praising Stararo ...he told me.... it's not a big deal for a cinematographer to create images on a grand canvas...by the sheer canvas' size you would be overwhelmed and will be deprived of a chance to really scritinize the image from an aesthetic point of view...and it's when the image is tight and up-close...you can tell if the cinematographer has got stuff in him...

I disagreed...the shot size has got nothing to do with the aesthetics of the shot...the shot size is there for a purpose...

Cinema for the larger audiences can not be poetic--Andrei Tarkovysky
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ee movie chusara ?
ninne TV lo chusa...very gud movie...1979 lone aa photography,locations adurs...

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