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     Ballasticmissile Side Hero Username: Ballasticmissile Post Number: 4629 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 125.99.197.136 Rating: N/A |
 annai neeku nijam ga teleeda aa defination.......nenu ninnu yentho oohinchukunna  may be naa expectation maree yekkuva ayipoindemo.... i am leading a pious life so far so good | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13839 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.154.187 Rating: N/A |
Thanks bhayya. Certainly worth this thread.  "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6437 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.61.12.115 Rating: N/A |
interesting. thanks. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13425 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Its a good effort - but again it will come down to need or subjective selection - because most desi kids perform well on standardised tests and GPAs ..frankly I did not bother bugging my son to apply for the umpteen pvt scholarships cos its a lot of work writing essays putting portfolios together etc... The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6436 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.61.12.115 Rating: N/A |
FAFSA only? or is the school's FCU any better? so we had the same experience for a cousin of mine. ended up at UC Berkeley but we could find nothing to support her. we are working on a desi fund to sponsor desi kids and will be pushing aggressively in the next year. many rich buggers around but no one to aggregate the riches. jewish and even mexican kids have amazing opportunities here. what do you think? any inputs? balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13424 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Yes- but most scholarships are needbased and with 2 incomes we do not qualify at the get go...so what we got are unsubsidised loans at best... The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13423 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Yeah - we were only looking at UG rankings..masters ki time undi kada..As to why they -market forces at work - starting salaries match engg I hearThe foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6435 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.61.12.115 Rating: N/A |
so a question - feel free to skip if it's personal. does the school award scholarships under this program? what was your experience in looking for a funded experience for your son? how would you compare this to kids from other national origins? balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6434 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.61.12.115 Rating: N/A |
UG Business rankings avi. never understood why anyone does these UG business courses in any case.  balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6433 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.61.12.115 Rating: |
how about generating some true value instead of arbitraging mis-priced assets or playing on ill-informed suckers? how sad is it to lose brilliant minds to the lures of the wall street only to sit around and build these complex instruments to capture that infinitesimal hole in some trading opportunity somewhere? yeah, it makes money and then what? very few in the world are truly gifted and to see them waste their talents like this - is heart breaking.balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Senapathy Moderator Username: Senapathy Post Number: 15257 Registered: 01-2009 Rating: N/A |
 I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13421 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Here you go ... http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/ rankings/business-overall The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13420 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Yes 7-8 lo undi per last stats I saw -and in general UT Austin Ratings are all climbing Yeah - that was the thought..I was like- follow your passion for Math but tack on Comp Sci - courses overlap between Math and Comp Sci, he has 12 AP credits that he worked his butt off for thru high school- might as well use them .. The stuff they are doing now in Comp Sci with applied math is amazing - If he finds he enjoys that he will have options Another good thing about UT honors program - small classes taught by professors ,guaranteed research exposure for freshmen if they want- and honors dorms for the geeks to hang out together we had that debate between me and hubby too - he was all for med- me for letting him follow his passion  The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8870 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: |
"by not going the comp finance route. limits you to an increasingly unpopular field." Please elaborate annai...How is it unpopular as a "field". I mean intrinsically what is there in that "field" to call it unpopular. | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6432 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.126.204 Rating: N/A |
mccombs? antha high undha ranking? he did a good thing by not going the comp finance route. limits you to an increasingly unpopular field. if he likes math, let him explore for 4 more yrs before deciding on his life's vocation. comp genomics / neuro science with a focus on data analytics would be a cool area to be in. future will converge there. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39841 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
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| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9754 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.194.159.57 Rating: N/A |
Kamal kurrod leni time lo intha maata antava...nuvvayipoyaav. Oh no not humanities.....sheldon cooper istyle... cool. Nice to see a non-MD route encouraging telugu-american parent. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13417 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Kind of yes - his first love is math and his goal with CMU was the Bachelors in Computational Finance - but in talking to the counselors and professoors there - they said he will only know if he got into BSCF 3 semesters into undergrad and that it is a very small program only 10 or so students into BSCF from across streams - too much of uncertainty anipinchi drop ayyadu - this way he gets the best of both worlds, UT also has a no.7 ranked B-school so he can potentially put in some finance courses in Undergrad and go to CMU or some such school for Masters in Computational Finance was the thought for sticking with UT Austin The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6429 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.83.133 Rating: N/A |
jaa. grad school ki keka place. if you ignore the suicidal pittsburgh. harvard pure sciences lo king kadha. derivatives lo koosintha kashtam. liberal arts is a stigma. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9753 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.194.159.57 Rating: N/A |
Nevermind they were grad school rankings. Latest 2012 rankings lo CMU is still above harvard. http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-ran kings/best-universities-computer-science | ||
| Ballasticmissile Side Hero Username: Ballasticmissile Post Number: 4599 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 125.99.197.136 Rating: N/A |
ante andari highscool,engg chadivar kada andariki telisi untundanukuni cheppaledu....engg lo kuda environment studies lo same defination undi....ee matram kuda teleedani nen expect cheyyaledu..... i am leading a pious life so far so good | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9752 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.194.159.57 Rating: N/A |
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-gradu ate-schools/top-science-schools/computer-science-rankings  ante adi mari denominations anthaga telvadi kaani in general cmu is top ani... | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6427 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.83.133 Rating: N/A |
 only AI and robotics. not comp sci in general. MIT and stanford still rule. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9751 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.194.159.57 Rating: N/A |
Oh cool. Why didnt he go for CMU? Because of no double major option? I think thats #1 in computer science, above MIT and Harvard. Nevertheless, congrats. Yes, staying close to home in driving distance is always good. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13416 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
He decided not to apply - we visited and found out they had only a handful students graduate Comp.sci last year so he dropped it.. He got accepted in CMU(Carnegie Mellon) , GeorgiaTech, A&M and two honors programs in UT Austin.. He decided to accept UT Austin as it is rated in the top 10 comp sci programs and he can double major Comp Sci and Math with honors in both - atleast that's the plan now I am happy cos its close to home The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9750 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.194.159.57 Rating: N/A |
antha khatchithamgaa capitol letters lo chepthunnavu mari kamal kurrodki cheppaava ledaa? I am doing fine, thanks. I remember you said you were going to Yale for your son's admission. Did he get in? | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13412 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Good to see you - how r u The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Ballasticmissile Side Hero Username: Ballasticmissile Post Number: 4589 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 125.99.197.136 Rating: N/A |
CHINNAPUDU ISCOOL LO CHADUVUKUNNA DEFINATION....... i am leading a pious life so far so good | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9749 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.194.159.57 Rating: |
In order to classify an entity as life form, it has to have two properties. First, independently self-coding genetic material DNA/RNA and second, ability to reproduce itself. Though many including myself disagree, viruses are life-less, though they have DNA/RNA, because they cant code their protein independently. Life starts at macromolecular level (proteins, lipids and carbohydrates), not at sub-atomic level. Thats why Biology is a derivative science, not a fundamental science. Chemistry and Physics are the fundamental sciences because they study matter and force (prakrithi and purusha), respectively. Of course this is MY opinion. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13411 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.137.119.42 Rating: N/A |
You are right - Thanks for the correction
Scene gravity ardham chesukoru - ikkada villain manam - unsuspecting coke has walked into my lair blissfully unaware of the dangers his soul is the hapless trapped damsel in distress - waiting to be rescued from the quicksand  will coke succeed in escaping - dekhte hain break ke baad The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8866 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: |
" not pranav mistry's father - tathagat tulsi's father claimed that." chepdham anukuni...mallu sunnithamaina intellect badha padutundhi emo ani venakki tagganu.... ...there will be no relevance...single point agenda I can define what righteousness is because I feel this is the way it is ought to be... As vjavasi said....No one knows shit about life...and science knows no shit more either and is not even qualified to state about life....religion and metaphysics are the only sources of discourse there | ||
| Masularex Side Hero Username: Masularex Post Number: 2670 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 123.201.227.98 Rating: N/A |
mattilo atoms untai... itukalu mattitho chestaru... illu itikulatho kadathaaru... aa intlo manushulu untaru... aa manushulaki praanam untadi... ante atoms ki kuda praanam unnattenaa? endivaiyya yee questions ??? atoms valla life beings form ayyayi... life anedi lennappudu kuda atoms unnai (ta) ! inka confusion deniki (ta) ? | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6425 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.61.12.115 Rating: N/A |
not pranav mistry's father - tathagat tulsi's father claimed that. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13817 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.187.120 Rating: |
jaarukoled dora .. some of the posts are just way over my head .. okatiki padi saarlu chadivi .. ardam chesukodaniki try chestunna .. in the mean while .. headache tagginchukotaniki market ki velli amrutanjans kontunna .. "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10209 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.119.76.166 Rating: N/A |
Tilakam kurrod quechen yesi jaarukunnaaad, Meeru emo inka laaguthunnaru the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 2426 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 68.39.7.247 Rating: |
Pinni goru - choice is yours. Ramaprabha, Sri Lakshmi, Kovai Sarala. Cult status maatram accept cheyaali!!! No excuses!!! 
Take a break baa!!! Naa pichha mundara nee pichha oka lekka?
You came back to square one!! Pancha Bhootalu exist. Do they have life? Weren't they worshipped as though they have life? Atma and Paramatma veru, Praanam veru. Alaage, Kshudra sakthulu veru.
What we don't have clarity on, is God. History mottam tavvandi, scientists and philosophers andarini chadavandi. Whatever science attributes to Energy, philosophy attributes exactly the same to God. Indulo confusion emundi?
And also an unconvincing biased reason. Emmanuelle Kelley, Rowdy annai thed vesaadu. Iraqi orphan, Aussie lady adopted him. Handicapped, no arms, no legs. Good singer, not a great one though, if you ask my personal opinion. Ooha teliyani vayasulo kutumbam mottam pogottukunnadu. Only hope was his baby brother. Iddarini adopt chesukuni cherateesindi Aussie lady. Aavida motivations emunnayo? Veella involvement emundo? He managed to appear in X-Factor. Yevaro anavasaram. Look into a mirror, and look back into your own life. Stare into your own eyes. Wait 5 secs. You Don't deserve this F'king life. You Don't deserve it man!! There was so much you could have done better, if only.. Why? Why did it have to take these twists? Why did it have to crumble this way? What am I doing? What is going on? How am I even involved in all of this bloody shit, even in the remotest way possible? Did I have the most basic say in it all? Welcome to Karma Siddhantham!!! Poorva Janma Sukrutham!!! If you hadn't posed those questions before, everybody on this planet will envy you. If you did, you are normal. If you find the answers to the questions ridiculous, you are free to accept what I believe in - "Coincidence of Randomness".
I am sorry, i don't believe in scriptures. I believe in Science. I believe in Evolution, I believe in metabolism, I believe in Energy, and the Principle of Duality. I believe that no question can be quantified to give a definite answer within the realm of human comprehension. Although, I do believe,that the same questions with probable answers were presented in the Scriptures. I don't want to believe that Sun's chariot is drawn by seven horses based on a scripture, I instead want to believe Newton's idea, that Sun's rays are composed of seven colors. Pagelu, Pagelu raasukunnadi saalu kaani, thed basic ki vaddaam. Atom has no life. Life begins with Metabolism. Metabolism is a bunch of chemical reactions. Chemical Reactions are caused by Energy. Energy is eternally permeable. Time is relative. Principle of Duality governs the known Universe. naa chinni brain ki saanaa padunu pettanu over the years!!!! Everything I like is either Illegal, Immoral, Fattening, Addictive, Expensive, Impossible or Committed!! Good Things Happen, when you go out and earn it!! | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13409 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
LOL - ante anni type atoms untayi - Vegetarian, eggatarian, pescatarian, nonvegetarian - take your pick The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39823 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 98.24.174.238 Rating: N/A |
Save me re. Mohamatam tho ochina siggu tho koodukunna gouravam valla ila aipoyaa | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39822 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 98.24.174.238 Rating: N/A |
Save me re. Mohamatam tho ochina siggu tho koodukunna gouravam valla ila aipoyaa | ||
| Zulu Hero Username: Zulu Post Number: 16961 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.113.19.145 Rating: N/A |
Ippudu meeku andariki oka intelligent kochen.. Atom ki life unte ante adhi veg lifaa..non veg lifa..  | ||
| Saarang Junior Artist Username: Saarang Post Number: 906 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 50.132.77.148 Rating: N/A |
What is the question?  | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 3575 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 24.47.137.124 Rating: N/A |
IIMA, IIMC, IIMB, IIML, IITM, IITK, IITB, IITB, NIT A-Z, MIT Mangalagiri Instute of Technologies  | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 4174 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.164.173.188 Rating: N/A |
to me, it sounds neither! Why should something that exists have life? Idey definition aithe, there is nothing in this world that wouldn't qualify to be having life kadaa.... anything that exists should have life kadaaa..... frankly speaking, that description and your explanation of the same, sound as if there is no clarity on what is energy. That doesn;t necessarily mean that energy is life! Or even energy is Atma! and regarding your take on Karma theory, yes, it is YOUR TAKE. Even if you do not believe in karma theory, remember, it is the one theory that gives explanation to why this world is functioning in such a way! For a question on why some people in this world suffer and why some people in this world are born in luxuries, the only theory that gives a satisfactory (but some times harsh) answer is Karma theory! I'm not saying there are no other theories that try to justify, but karma theory presents a dispassionate and blunt reason (as I said, sometimes harsh too), and not just to scare shit out of the people. As a theory, it would scare the shit out of someone only if they believe in it and if it is scaring shit out, then the easy way out is not to believe in it! which would be convenient too That is not the purpose of this theory! Regarding your question on why world population has increased ki kooda I found an answer in one session (which was not trying to discuss the world population, even remotely) which was discussing on kaliyuga! But, as I said, to discuss all these things on the basis of a scripture, the one basic requirement is that you need to have belief in the underlying scriptures! If you try to just use it to justify your belief then there is no point in me trying to discuss based on that We can continue discussion on the other leg (which is purely scientific)! Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8864 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: |
orei coke ga avasarama neeku...time waste cheskuntav endhukura babu...choose ur friends wisely and others even more wisely.... | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13400 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Have to tell my dad this ... my mom heard my dad's agnostic/atheistic rhetoric and my bro still went to IITM - Bharatam/Bhagavatam chadivite inkekkidiki vellevado - opportunity lost The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13399 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Does it matter if I think he's right ? I mean is that not the purpose of muhurthams, rituals,pujas, nivaranas, practices..Muhurtham is to ensure the planets are in appropriate position to help you , diet restrictions to get you in the right frame of mind,and so on - if those are to be believed , this genius-kid scenario may sound far-fetched but it is not impossible The underlying assumption for people who take this literally- is that by altering surroundings/ environment/actions, frame of mind ...we influence the result Now coming back to birth specialties/defects - why would it be any different at a fetal development level - If we leave the genetic component aside , the surroundings the baby grows in utero , kind of foods moms eat, the hormones we produce based on situations, the stimulants, the noise levels, all impact the development of the baby Now how far you want to take the divine will/child's karma/mother's karma is up to you - is it divine will that one mom has the control to refrain from drinking while another does not..? You get tangled in those questions The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 2421 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 199.43.32.86 Rating: N/A |
voorkondi meshaaru. pillalu kala vaallu!!! Wife expecting ani teliyagaane Husbands asalu kaalu kindapettanivvaru. My babai forced my pinni to read Mahabharata and Bhagavatha. Result, my cousin is IIT Madras alumni ani seppukuntuntaadu. Inka Conception vishayam ante... kontha mandi tithulu, nakshatraalu gatraa bhi soosthaar, at the time of delivery kaadu, exactly 9 months earlier annattu. Yedo joke bhi vundi hai, Nov 14 DOB ante Feb 14 conceived anta!!! LOL!!!! Everything I like is either Illegal, Immoral, Fattening, Addictive, Expensive, Impossible or Committed!! Good Things Happen, when you go out and earn it!! | ||
| Chillarodu Side Hero Username: Chillarodu Post Number: 3578 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 173.162.149.129 Rating: N/A |
what is truth? If he says what he genuenly believes.. then do you call it truth? | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39820 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
do you think his father is telling the truth? | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13398 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Ledu - Virus as supporting example to your argument ichanu ante - why surroundings are important ane daniki Virus Cult ki cornerstone MS vesaru ee thread lone - just goofing around on the cult The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13396 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Pranav Mistry's father claimed in an interview(someone posted it in the db too back then) that he had ensured he had a genius child thru regulating many variables in the conception to birth process based on the knowledge in the shastras So was it Pranav's karma,God's will or his dad's manipulation of the surroundings/circumstances that caused his genius ? Something to think about The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 2410 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 199.43.48.129 Rating: N/A |
emaina tappu cheppana? naaku telisindi, anipinchindi cheppanu!!! Everything I like is either Illegal, Immoral, Fattening, Addictive, Expensive, Impossible or Committed!! Good Things Happen, when you go out and earn it!! | ||
| Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 11309 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 63.79.91.22 Rating: N/A |
o.k Der, the discussion is around physics....our discussin on math is limited to what can be applied to physical theories......the objective is limited to understand what physical theories mean......
Hypothesis cannot be a vague statement.....it needs a physical explanation.......action at a distance is as spooky as it can get.....when the hypothesis says something is acting on something at a distance....it should explain mechanism of that interaction.......it's a pre-requisite for a "physical" hypothesis......experiments have to validate that mechanism.....just finding correlation is not physics as it was practiced originally..That's the original scientific method during Newton.....any deviation was considered metaphysics .....Here is waht newton himself said 1) âNewton claimed nothing more for his discovery than that it provided the necessary instrument for mathematical prediction, and he pointed out that it did not touch on the question of the mechanism of gravity.â 2) However Newton also said: âTo suppose that one body may act upon another at a distance through vacuum, without the mediation of anything else,...is to me so great an absurdity, that I believe no man, who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty for thinking, can ever fall into.â â (Whittaker: Aether and Electricity, 1919-1962).
o.k...what's your point?........only geniuses are qualified to read and discuss scientific theories?.....Neither i claim i understand everything nor i agree everything has to be left to "specialists" and others have to follow their authority.........i had some genuine doubts about some theories, followed them with my own research and found many others with similar questions...For me those theories are not sacrosanct.....I don't have to be genius to have a opinion on these theories particulary when they are least tested physically
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| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13395 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Exemplified by the God of our new cult - The state morphing Virus Non-living outside but become living inside a host The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 2409 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 199.43.48.131 Rating: N/A |
please throw more light, may be, I'll learn something new, and expand my perceptions!! Everything I like is either Illegal, Immoral, Fattening, Addictive, Expensive, Impossible or Committed!! Good Things Happen, when you go out and earn it!! | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 2404 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 199.43.48.130 Rating: N/A |
Genes and Surroundings - Principle of Duality, at a very very high level. Chaala detailed gaa soodaali ante, Geneticists all around the world are working on similar problems. Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, Cancer, AIDS, still open to research. Human body is a conglomeration of atoms, molecules, cells, tissue-systems, organ-systems etc toh paatu.. single-cellular symbiotic/parasitic organisms kooda vuntaayi. Vaati influence ye range/level vuntundi still open to research. Simple example, medicines/anti-biotics ki side-effects gaa seppukovachhu... Everything I like is either Illegal, Immoral, Fattening, Addictive, Expensive, Impossible or Committed!! Good Things Happen, when you go out and earn it!! | ||
| Jp_rocks Moderator Username: Jp_rocks Post Number: 14928 Registered: 06-2009 Rating: N/A |
its puuure luck | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8862 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: |
"Karma Sidhhantham, Death and rebirth may have been introduced to scare the shit out of people to prevent them from immoral and unethical thinking and living" an incomplete and hollow statement | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8861 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
Coke ga ninnu emi analedhu... evolution equation anedhi peru mathrame...just treat it as function X(t+1) = 4*X(t)*(1 - X(t)) for all t belonging to positive integers 2Q.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tent_map self explanatory 3Q.) A great question. I should have spent more time on this. A inanimate autonamous system can ( need ) to be defined by some semi-determnistic rule like Hamiltonian mechanics (Generalization of Newton's laws to higher dimensions) or some thing like X(t+1) = c * X(t) + Some Noise C is a "deterministic" real. This in the only set up in which we can even make statements involving inanimate systems. As exhibited in the example: For inanimate objects, if you start at say 1/2 and in the next repeatition at 1/2 + 0.000000000000001....can lead to astronomically differnt states of the system....i.e there is an intrinsic positive local entropy to physical systems at all levels... Human life is not so...there is a very rich spread of initial conditions...cells mate in myriad different ways but still there is something intrinsically fundamental about life that can never be mapped by any edifice of science...i.e no scientific hypotheses can unambiguously answer "why there is life" or "What is life" This is fundamental to the theory of non computability of logical systems...logical systems can never answer these questions...we need metaphysics no matter how many higgs bosons that you might propose and claim to find | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39803 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
why are some people born with disability, why are some born with extraordinary capabilities? | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39802 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
yo  ippudu nenu emannaanu ani... ilaa na meeda gudi banda esesaav evolution rule ante enti asala...epudu inaledu. f(x+1) = f(x) aa?
preceding statement ninchi ee statement ela ochindi? please explain
idi kuda explain please | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8860 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
"a theory without rigorous physical validation is just maths not physic and maths is modelling" Which modeling does pure mathematics aspires to model. Annai, I will stand by my statement. Just because one finds pure math insanely mind twisting is no validation for rejecting it. It might also suggest that ones current level of erudition is not fit enough to comprehend or that ones mind is not keyed to comprehend higher math. Math is not solving problems that have been posed by nature. Pure mathematics is about making an assertion based on a certain syntactic ground and accepting them as viable hypotheses until proven wrong. Take for example lagrange's four square theorem. There is no "physical" basis for lagrange to pose that problem. But it took several centuries to come up with a generalization of it as a Warring's problem which then led to natural classification in p-adic numbers that helped in extending the arithmetic of rationals to reals and complex numbers.... The hypotheses itself had no bearing to its application which is now spans all scientific computing | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 2403 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 199.43.48.130 Rating: N/A |
balla guddi chaalaa hard-and-fast ga quantify chesthunnaru gaa, Atma and Paramatma ni!!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy The question "what is energy?" is difficult to answer in a simple, intuitive way, although energy can be rigorously defined in theoretical physics. In the words of Richard Feynman, "It is important to realize that in physics today, we have no knowledge what energy is. We do not have a picture that energy comes in little blobs of a definite amount." Article first few paras sadvithey, we cannot quantify Energy ani ardham avuthundi. It is all around us, it is inside of us, it is every where, there's no place it does not exist, and most important of them all, it's not in one form. It keeps changing forms, cannot be created, neither can be destroyed. We don't know the beginning, nor the end. All eternally permeable entity is Energy. Matter is one of it's forms.
ippudu seppandi... Exist padaaniki ardham.. is it life? or is it the Force behind Life? Bhagavad Gita yevari interpretation vaaridi. I personally don't take it literally either. Puttina vaariki maranam tappadu, maraninchina vaariki janmamu tappadu, annaru Ghantasala Venkateswara Rao gaaru. Cynical gaa world population four times elaa perigipoyindi within half a century ani kooda adagochhu!!! Book and Preachings enni saarlu twist ayinayo kooda manaki teliyadhu. Like I said in one of my posts, Karma Sidhhantham, Death and rebirth may have been introduced to scare the shit out of people to prevent them from immoral and unethical thinking and living. Everything I like is either Illegal, Immoral, Fattening, Addictive, Expensive, Impossible or Committed!! Good Things Happen, when you go out and earn it!! | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8859 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
coke, Self replication of inanimate objects is a research that has been debunked some decades ago. Just because a physical system can self organize is no reflection of the genesis of the organization. As an example take f(x) = 4*x*(1-x) and make it an evolution rule i.e X(n+1) = 4 * X(n) * [ 1 - X(n)]. randomly, feed a vector of X(0) = {0,0.001,0.01....} and throw in a 1/2 somewhere randomly...... Look at the output of X(n+1) with "n" running from 1 to say an integral index of say 1000... you will see that at 1/2 and say 1/2 - infinitesimally small number ....the evolution of X(n+1) will be exponentially different.... The intent of the experiment is to show that order and disorder sometimes are just a arbitrary infinitesimal away...and that one would need infinite precision to replicate mechanical order.... Life doesn't follow this hapazard path...simple autonomous intelligence is not even close in algorthmic complexity to observed complexity of life | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13394 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
You are assuming someone removed an electron- I am saying it can be a random accident and the system adapts and adjusts
Some would call the runtime God too Assuming everything is part of one giant runtime ...If I say the static /constant parts of system are non-living and dynamic/variable parts are living - that's one way of looking at it too And if we assume they rotate thru the states - life span is the time they are dynamic The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8858 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: |
" well then what is the hypothesis for action at distance in newton's gravity.....how gravity instantly acts at a distance...what is the mechanism?.....many criticized newton for this action at distance......they called it metaphysics " What do you mean by this annai...it is a hypotheses....the statement that there is an instantaneous action at a distance. Using that you can build the gravitational model of which Gravitational law is the special subcase. Ofcrse to make it an axiom, you need to map it all possible levels of observation. Gravity works might well at larger scales of energy and is subsumed by stronger field forces at shorter distances. Why does action at a distance happen is what defines the philosophy of the model. "i am well versed with scientific nomenclature enough to read and digest scientific, mathematical literature" wow....knowing a nomenclature enables you digest scientific literature...Either you are hallucinated beyond belief or you are as gifted as Gauss, Ramanujan and Grothendieck to see a set through modern mathematics knowing the nomenclature. Which mathematical apparatus enabled you to understand how gravitational waves propagate if you don't mind me asking because people spend good part of their lifetime's to publish one original paper in High dimensional physics. If your so called knowledge acquisition works, I might as well give it a shot. | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39798 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
my question is about change in material properties say we removed an electron, and the properties changed. what is the runtime in this case same question related to chemicals and feelings. say someone fell in love and and happy hormones were produced by the body. what is the runtime here? who transformed the knowledge of event into chemical and chemical into a feeling? isn't the runtime "life" ? | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13393 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Perpetual execution lo change avvocchu kada - UT austin example ichanu - akkada vallu natural learning gurinchi chepparu- about how they let the quadruped robots run continuously and one fine morning they came and found them playing soccer on their knees instead of feet - professor simplify chesi chepparu - that random accident caused one robot to buckle and the system figured out it is more efficient without any human intervention I wish I was back doing Comp sci now The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Chillarodu Side Hero Username: Chillarodu Post Number: 3571 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 173.162.149.129 Rating: N/A |
when you are part of the code.. you never know who created you are who is executing | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39797 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: |
thanks...now i can ask the question. who is executing the code? | ||
| Jawmetri Side Hero Username: Jawmetri Post Number: 2228 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 71.204.164.76 Rating: N/A |
Because that's how life is defined. No DNA replication, no life. But we can argue that a lot of things happen in the atom, that indicates intent which in turn suggests consciousness and life. The ability to evolve to advanced systems is an indicator of life, | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13392 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.137.119.19 Rating: N/A |
yeah - multiple interpretations chadivanu aa statement ki - meeru cheppinavi kuda and as a metaphor of the start of life as an interplay of the duality ... I like the allegorical interpretations of Siva-sakti as the duality more than the personified ones North lo chadivina influence Sh with the h The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| J__the_heartist Side Hero Username: J__the_heartist Post Number: 8854 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 2.50.0.224 Rating: N/A |
 Yeh Ladkiyan Bhi Ajeeb hai.... Kuch kaho toh Muh Phula leti hai.... Kuch karo Toh Pet Phula leti hai.... | ||
| Dada Side Hero Username: Dada Post Number: 2340 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 125.16.128.122 Rating: N/A |
Maybe - I do not Know :-) | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 4173 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.174.27.91 Rating: N/A |
Sakthi also without a 'h' anukunta Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Dada Side Hero Username: Dada Post Number: 2339 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 125.16.128.122 Rating: N/A |
This is absolutely true, but it is debatable if your statement can be used for the discussion about Living things and Non living things. Maybe it can be used. But when it comes to Siva(No H) and Shakthi, Siva is a yogi, the owner and one who abhors civilization and culture and hence he withdraws himself. And because of this withdrawal his infinite knowledge and power cannot be used for the welfare of mankind. Hence Shakthi engages with Siva and brings him into culture and creates a Sankara - a householder. There is another aspect as well:Shakthi (Energy) is not able to control her energy and hence to stop the destructive energy, Siva, becomes a Shava and and lays down in her path to stop the destructive Energy. | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 4172 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.174.27.91 Rating: N/A |
cheppochu kadaa ante... wiki nuncho inko website nuncho copy paste kooda cheyyochu.... but to believe or to not believe anedi decide chesthundi neniche answer and I'm sure, I'm not capable enough in giving a proper answer and hence prevent in forming your belief anedi naa point! Its better not to seek answers in this aspect on forums! If you are already believing it, then enthaina maatladukovachu Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Rowdy Megastar Username: Rowdy Post Number: 24174 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 97.127.73.212 Rating: N/A |
naku eppatnuncho doubt vayya ... cheppochu kadaa ... sarle ee thread lo vaddu le ... malla eppudaina disckudam | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 4171 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.174.27.91 Rating: N/A |
bro.... aayana Gita ni nammuthunnadu ani aaa line lo discuss chesthunna.... and very clearly told till now that, it is the line only for those who already have belief in Gita. I am definitely not capable of convincing someone about the validity of Gita, so, someone else might answer those questions to you! Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Rowdy Megastar Username: Rowdy Post Number: 24173 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 97.127.73.212 Rating: N/A |
Gita evaru rasaru? Krishnudu cheppindi as it is ga gurtunchukuni Arjunudu vyasa maharshi ki cheppada? | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 4170 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.174.27.91 Rating: N/A |
and differ again! If you still remember, I started this argument saying if you accept Geeta. So, with the same premise, if you accept Geeta, there is no begining to Life! "NEVER WAS THERE A TIME WHEN I DID NOT EXIST, NOR YOU, NOR ALL THESE KINGS; NOR IN THE FUTURE SHALL ANY OF US CEASE TO BE." is the exact words uttered by Krishna! Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 4169 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.174.27.91 Rating: N/A |
sorry tammud.... I beg to differ. Atma is not energy, if atom is the energy that keeps a body going(meaning living) then, the body shouldn't require any other source of energy (fuel, food i.e,).... so, atma isn't energy. What is atma, atma is the quintessential living entity along with paramatma. Also, according to your definition if Atma is energy, it should be able to be transformed into mass! No, atma is eternal, it always was, is and will be there! So, I repeat, if you believe in Geeta, then atom cannot be a living entity. Ofcourse, atom has energy! Even the materialstic world around us has energy or is made up of energy! Geeta says, this materialistic world (which has mass) is made up of Krishna's illusory Energy! Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13813 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.155.8 Rating: |
what exactly is metabolism? "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 2397 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 68.39.7.247 Rating: N/A |
Atma gives life anochhu, but Atma and Paramatma, as I understand it is Energy. Pancha Bhootalu kooda Paramatma samaaname ani sadvukunnam, courtesy The Bhagavad Gita. Ikkada struck at some level emundi? Baatamline, Atoms have no Life. Life begins when Metabolism starts. Every damn thing in this entire universe is a Chemical Reaction. Every kind of reaction is permeation of Energy. Matter, gravity, space are all manifestations of Energy. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Time is relative. Principle of Duality drives everything. Everything I like is either Illegal, Immoral, Fattening, Addictive, Expensive, Impossible or Committed!! Good Things Happen, when you go out and earn it!! | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 3555 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 24.47.137.124 Rating: N/A |
There is an old song Devudu chesina manushullaara Manushulu chesina Devullaara Vinandi manushula Gola Kanandi Devudi Leela Are we atoms and molecules or are we life? Are our feelings, emotions, thought a work of neural networks or are they life? When we die, what is going our of all of them? Dp the atoms and molecules do not have life anymore? | ||
| Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 11308 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 24.248.216.135 Rating: N/A |
well what theories you are referring to?..........who said they are mad? | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 3554 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 24.47.137.124 Rating: N/A |
You define what is "define" first. | ||
| Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 11307 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 24.248.216.135 Rating: N/A |
well then what is the hypothesis for action at distance in newton's gravity.....how gravity instantly acts at a distance...what is the mechanism?.....many criticized newton for this action at distance......they called it metaphysics
what question on light you are referring to?......well, don't bring the authority argument.......i am well versed with scientific nomenclature enough to read and digest scientific, mathematical literature....Anyway, i am not the only one that question the fancy stuff being propagated......a theory without rigorous physical validation is just maths not physic and maths is modelling | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10204 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
have ye faith in virus if we can induct a few hollywood stars, and call it a secret society, we might even be among the richest on the plant in a couple of decades. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13390 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Perfecto- let's start a new cult and worship the almost omnipresent,living and non-living, virus ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10202 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
good post. vjavasi bro, here is some info on general way of science. pretty simple stuff. you might be interested from chapter 3 onwards http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/us101contents_01 the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8857 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 70.194.128.33 Rating: N/A |
"get some data.....see a pattern in it.....fit an equation to it.....boom...you have a new theory......that's whast science has become since newton.....there is no enquiry or satisfactory explanation about causes......sicence has become a discipline of pattern observation......it's trying to rescue itself from hard questions....the reason is it has no real answers " Sorry annai...with due respect this shows that you have not been trained at the cutting edge of rigorous science. what you have described is not science...it is called modeling. Modeling is only a part of science. Science critically is Model + Philosophy of the model + Supporting hypotheses + verification of the hypotheses with in the realm of observable. The above obviously precludes science to talk any reasonable about the metaphysical but science has a powerful edifice of taking a repeated observation and map it to one unifying axiomatic certainity...call codified knowledge. It then takes these axiomatic edifices and proposes corollaries which serve as further hypotheses which are now a fortiori postulates until proven wrong... I can delve deeper but your statement are academically very naive right from your question on light to your understanding of mathematics in general. As I told you some years ago, you need to actually take a graduate research curriculum in hard sciences to be more qualified to exposit with the level of certainity that you aspire to... I am not criticizing you..just a suggestion | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10198 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
assal naa view enti ante, we are all here for viruses . virus created complex beings for it to be able to sustain and grow. yes thats my theory the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 2394 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 68.39.7.247 Rating: N/A |
Theories propose sesinollu pichhollu kaadu. Convince ayinollu verrollu kaadu. Agreed that all knowledge is within the confines of human mind's comprehensibility. Aa knowledge ye false ante etta? Aa theories ye tappu ayithey within one century intha advancement vundadu kada? One Indian man went deep into thought and figured out the answers. History lo He attained Moksha ani kooda antaar!!! Neek telsindi seppu ante navvesi voorukunetodu!!! Everything I like is either Illegal, Immoral, Fattening, Addictive, Expensive, Impossible or Committed!! Good Things Happen, when you go out and earn it!! | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10196 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
well, i disagree to this. why and how are two different things. a person/scientist might be observing things and working on theories, answering the how, but not necessarily why. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13389 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
My very simplistic view - I think of it like a language of expression - oka 3d modelling program anukondi - oka chinna element of that code change cheste the output shape/properties will be totally different... But the self-organising growth of living beings is fascinating - one cell to different organs in the body..is this the same behavior as we see in anthills, bee hives and societies ? Ekkadiko veltunnam - intaki Tilak ekkada ?
Are you suggesting people should just give up trying to understand anything ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10195 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
 complicated kaadhu antaavu, malli relativity ki validation ledhu antaav. dont you see a correlation between these two. why would there be any difficulty validating a theory if its not complicated?
hmm question/statement ardham kaaledhu. newton's observations were limited so where his theories(if you observe, each theory defines boundary conditions), einstiens theories were inclusive of netwons of observations. if you are looking for absolute theories, which cant be changed, science is not the place. science changes as new things are discovered. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Rowdy Megastar Username: Rowdy Post Number: 24170 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 97.127.73.212 Rating: N/A |
discussion antaa ee rendu pounts chuttune tirugutundi, hehe ... parledu naa chitti burra ki inta pedda matter lo clarity undi (adele evvadiki clarity ledu ane clarity) | ||
| Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 11306 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 63.79.89.20 Rating: N/A |
I never said one shouldn't observe.......but their theories are not as complicateda as they make....moreover before newton science had to explain the causes....not just observation
Tell me what validation they have for relativity?.....How many of those scientists who swear by it actually make any physical sense out of it? | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10192 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
 ante janaalu confuse avuthunaar ani cheppi science dhi thappu antaav. just "few lines of prose" evaru cheppina nammeyochu antaavu. ofcourse aa "few lines of prose" ki kooda observation ye kaaranam, whether you chose to believe it or not. anything that can be learned, is based on observation and imagination. what humans can observe hasnt changed much, but imagination has changed and can change. these(i mean theories) are trivial, when it comes to validation. theories emundhi, delusional babas, mullahs, athiests, scientists can spout out thousands of theories, few stand the test of time and validations. there are things that we humans cant fathom, vaati gurinchi thousands of years kindha chesina oohaaganaalu, inko thousand poyaaka chese oohaganaalu oke la untayi. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39795 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
ohh..thatttaa CK Raju complains that Stephen Hawking is actually preching Christian theology in the name of science. | ||
| Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 11305 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 63.79.89.20 Rating: N/A |
teeseyatledu kaani.....it has limitations antunna.....i don't like much of the nonsense being propagated in the name of science....space bending, time dilating, black holes, worm holes, vaccume energy, dark matter, negative momentum,event horizons all that bull shit.....they extrapolate their mathematical imaginations to physical world.....no conclusive proof exists for any of this bull shit......i do consider discovery of electricity and electromagnetic theory as last major achievement of science | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39790 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
maree ala teesi pareyakodadu annai US to India phone matladataanu roju. Science inaccurate ayite is it possible? satellite orbit lo untaayaa asala? | ||
| Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 11304 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 63.79.89.20 Rating: N/A |
get some data.....see a pattern in it.....fit an equation to it.....boom...you have a new theory......that's whast science has become since newton.....there is no enquiry or satisfactory explanation about causes......sicence has become a discipline of pattern observation......it's trying to rescue itself from hard questions....the reason is it has no real answers worst part is science pretends that it has answers or in the process of escavating them.......It uses math to confuse people and make their work appear extraordinary but the fact is it's basic ideas can be explained in few lines of prose and they are not pathbreaking in understanding universe. Like fake religion there is fake science......the bottom line is we are trapped, we have no clue what's going on All sicenti | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39787 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
but still...it is fascinating. materials are so different and its based on one Fing electron??? wow...bhagawan achaa karega tho sadhu bicha karega | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 2392 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 199.43.32.86 Rating: N/A |
Ramayanam anthaa vini Sitha Raamudiki yemavthundi annattaa!!! This is the basic definition of a Chemical Reaction. Properties Sange. Life koodaa a conglomeration of many such reactions happening constantly, inside a molecular entity called a Cell.
That's the beauty of it all. The more, we as a mankind try to learn and know, the lesser we know it all. Prapancham lo vunna saana mandi science and nobel laureates ilaa rachha-banda la deggara marri chetla kinda debates veskuni maximum janaalni voppinchina vaarey tappithey, we have very little absolute evidence on these topics. Boiling Point of water 100C antaaru, Room Temperature convenient gaa 25C antaaru. Antha absolute aa?? Graph plot seskunnaar, mean, median, modes calculate sesinaar. Electron position kaani, nucleus lo energy kaani, Cell lo reactions kaani, DNA structure kaani, mutuations and reproduction kaani, anni anthey. Exactly yem jaruguthondo teliyadu, wildest and accurately precise guess-work toh munduku pothunnaam anthey!!! Everything I like is either Illegal, Immoral, Fattening, Addictive, Expensive, Impossible or Committed!! Good Things Happen, when you go out and earn it!! | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8856 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
"nobody knows a shit about origin and nature of even matter..." agreed | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39779 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
evvariki deinite gaa teleedu le edo aata adukuntunaam | ||
| Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 11303 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 63.79.89.20 Rating: N/A |
enti ee thread variety ga vundi....atom ki life ki enti sambandham?......shrodinger theories ki life ki enti sambandham......naaku ippude teliyali.......asal schrodinger ki telusa atom ante ento electron ante ento.....teliste experiment batti particle, wave behaviour vuntundhi objects ki ani enduku antaad........nobody knows a shit about origin and nature of even matter......forget about life | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39771 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
that is what i find mind boggling. You lose an electron, gain an electron and the material properties change????? its stunning. | ||
| Farmer Side Hero Username: Farmer Post Number: 7468 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 95.154.230.253 Rating: N/A |
we are not talking about mutations in general....we are talking about mutations that happen during reproduction (AND) resulting in genetic diversity....that is not very common...... random mutations in living cells are different | ||
| Senapathy Moderator Username: Senapathy Post Number: 15239 Registered: 01-2009 Rating: N/A |
Der vunkl. I will read Mind and matter this summer. -- Mutations happen at a rapid rate in living cells in terms of number. But the sheer size of the genome makes these changes statistically insignificant. The effect of mutations is however seen in changes in key regions which develop into a visible phenotype aka cancer or physical deformities. -- Anand - even based on my definition, I cannot make any statement whether atoms are alive. on another note, what intrigues me more is the chemical property of each. A hydrogen and oxygen atom have different macroscopic and quantum properies. But when they combine to form water, they transform to a new property. I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza | ||
| Farmer Side Hero Username: Farmer Post Number: 7465 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 95.154.230.253 Rating: N/A |
yes...true...Mutations happen extremely rarely and a lot of times very slowly...although some can happen instantly, they are still very rare.... i am just saying that if we have to consider nuclear fission as a type of reproduction, then we have to assume that mutation is an essential ingredient in that method of reproduction....happening everytime... | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39768 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
oka certification raastanaa. adi ayyaka chaduvuta. | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8855 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
"During any type of reproduction, mutation is always a possibility....so, there is no guarantee that the parent properties will be transmitted, although it happens most of the times... " baa lamarck refuted this whereas darwinism professes it. I beleive in the former. Mutation takes awfully long time to be considered a statistically significant determinant. Parent properties indeed define the meme of its very immediate hereditary neighbors...anedhi naa yokka idhi and adhi.... I also recommend to u Schrodinger as below. | ||
| Farmer Side Hero Username: Farmer Post Number: 7464 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 95.154.230.253 Rating: N/A |
During any type of reproduction, mutation is always a possibility....so, there is no guarantee that the parent properties will be transmitted, although it happens most of the times... In the same way, nuclear fission produces a diiferent element/elements from a parent element....i think it is called "nuclear transmutation".... of course not, as of now...but , isn't this discussion supposed to go beyond the scope of "definitions".... | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8854 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
Coke ga neeku kooda Schrodinger "Mind and Matter" and then follow it up by "what is life" | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8853 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
"If I have to define life, it is anything that has a consciousness of free will." Sen uncle, agreed as I earlier said. The problem with this question is that it is intrinsically metaphysical. Science neither has by definition no reach to answer this question. Free will and equality are a myth. of crse u see these days every tom, dick and harry use it to rationalize his whims.They are myths because of the intrinsic irreducibility of the complexity of any human action. baa interest unte "Mind and Matter" by Schrodinger reading ichuko...he rapes darwin and lamarckian hypothesis downright.the book that lead watson and crick to read more of him eventually helping them to discover DNA. I warn you though that schrodinger doesn't BS regarding humanity, equality of beings etc. He actually on page 29 declares that people who believe in equality of human DNA are people who lack the inclination for logical rigor | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 3541 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 162.134.72.6 Rating: N/A |
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| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39767 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
Define definition | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13387 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Pilla atoms ki parent atoms properties evi undakapote would it still be reproduction - that is the kochen in my mind?If the answer is yes are atoms living beings then ...
This is now an opinion poll - so mee definition of life and whether atoms have life per that definition cheppandi
The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 3537 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 162.134.72.6 Rating: N/A |
Now what is your definition of science? What is the defintion of life? Some people call Yoga a science. According to that, atoms have life. | ||
| Farmer Side Hero Username: Farmer Post Number: 7463 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 95.154.230.253 Rating: N/A |
Baga dum dum ladincharu andarooo... btw, Is nuclear fission a type of asexual reproduction? | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 444 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 24.0.145.159 Rating: N/A |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_theorem "if we have a certain amount of "free will", then, subject to certain assumptions, so must some elementary particles" The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13386 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Some would argue no one has free will But going back to your definition, do atoms have life by that def? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Senapathy Moderator Username: Senapathy Post Number: 15238 Registered: 01-2009 Rating: N/A |
If I have to define life, it is anything that has a consciousness of free will. I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13384 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
LOL MS and Sena - ninnatinunchi adugutunna I started with the basic biological definition of things that grow, reproduce, metabolise, adapt, respond to stimuli...and said no atoms are not lliving things Mee definitions add cheyyandi The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10191 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
 the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10190 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
endhi ee thaad itta undhi.. assal disco life gurinsa..atoms gurinsa... i need to knowwww.... atom ante little bit lo little bit idea undhi.. assal life ante enti ante antha vz ga seppalem.. first define life i say.... the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Senapathy Moderator Username: Senapathy Post Number: 15236 Registered: 01-2009 Rating: N/A |
Enti ee thaadu lo bheebatsam gaa disc sethuunar.. Define life vayya first. Next we can talk if atoms have it or not. I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 4166 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.164.169.168 Rating: N/A |
dont go out yet, you are struck at some level.... if you accept Gita then, you cannot accept that life is chemical reactions or consciousness etc... both atma and paramatma are eternal! Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Ballasticmissile Side Hero Username: Ballasticmissile Post Number: 4580 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 125.99.197.136 Rating: N/A |
simple ga cheppalante big bang is a quantum fluctuation out of nothing.... i am leading a pious life so far so good | ||
| J__the_heartist Side Hero Username: J__the_heartist Post Number: 8852 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 2.51.48.237 Rating: N/A |
if energy existed that means Space was existed before big bang???? Koi Hindu hai, koi Muslim hai aur koi isai hai. Magar sabne insaan naa banne ki kasam khai hai | ||
| Ballasticmissile Side Hero Username: Ballasticmissile Post Number: 4578 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 125.99.197.136 Rating: N/A |
ee mukka elaborate cheyyi.... i am leading a pious life so far so good | ||
| Dreamcatcher Side Hero Username: Dreamcatcher Post Number: 3898 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.86.145.68 Rating: N/A |
ento anta maaya. | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39753 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
calling thread esaa akkadiki ochi n doubt clarify cheyyi | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 2390 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 199.43.32.86 Rating: N/A |
First Law of Thermodynamics - Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Einstein's equation - Energy and Matter are interchangeable. Derivation - before the Big Bang, Energy existed. Big Bang created the known, and possibly the unknown matter. Hindutva called it Om. Gravity and Space came into existence. Time is a relative measure. Energy is constantly unstable. Keeps flowing/changing to attain stability. There is so much chaos all the time, and then there is orderly justice. Amount of energy is same inside an atom, and in the entire Universe, this measurement is within the confines of the human mind's comprehensibility. The flow/transition of Energy is what causes chemical reactions. Some chemical reactions is what we deem life - self-awareness, consciousness etc. Energy is still the core. Atma - Paramatma. Time, Fate, Destiny is all flow of Energy. - The Bhagavad Gita, Shri Krishna. Alage, namasthey, Thank You. Am outta here!!!  Everything I like is either Illegal, Immoral, Fattening, Addictive, Expensive, Impossible or Committed!! Good Things Happen, when you go out and earn it!! | ||
| Rowdy Megastar Username: Rowdy Post Number: 24156 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 97.127.73.212 Rating: N/A |
Define life ani question padi undale! Prati def ki oka limit edo untadi ... Infinite ki meaning kanukkogaligite ee question ki kuda answer chryyochu | ||
| J__the_heartist Side Hero Username: J__the_heartist Post Number: 8847 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 2.50.0.224 Rating: N/A |
Here the Quecchen Arises Where these atoms come from???? AS Per science this Universe started with a big bang.... there was nothing before that.... No Matter Nothing.... if u say there were atoms before big bang that means there was matter means there was space before atoms.... but Scientist say Space it self formed after big bang.... Then From where these atom came from???? Science has no answer for this Yet....DB people might have answer please lemme know Koi Hindu hai, koi Muslim hai aur koi isai hai. Magar sabne insaan naa banne ki kasam khai hai | ||
| Ballasticmissile Side Hero Username: Ballasticmissile Post Number: 4571 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 125.99.197.136 Rating: N/A |
i think atoms have life.... ....
dark energy quintissance ,etc .... i am leading a pious life so far so good | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13371 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: |
Ignore I do Let's just stick to the topic under discussion - everyone is entitled to their opinion The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 2386 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 68.39.7.247 Rating: |
judgmental statement avasaramaa annai? leg fulling aa? lekithanamaa?? neeku cheppentha vaadini kaanu kaani, andina vaadiki andinantha, yevariki yentha telisthey antha... maryadalu ichhi puchhukovatamlo samskaaram vuntundi. Everything I like is either Illegal, Immoral, Fattening, Addictive, Expensive, Impossible or Committed!! Good Things Happen, when you go out and earn it!! | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13368 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
True - the confusion in the thread is really in what people deem "life" - not in what is alive The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13367 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Nah - I don't mind if its blunt... Only reason I asked was because you said you do practice pranayama - aa practice lo oka stage lo - what is deemed as "kundalini starting to move" konchem hypersensitivity untundi - people tend to be more emotional and protective of their positions- they are not always aware of it themselves - but its better not to further disturb their thinking at that time In the DB scenario we do not know who is in what emotional state and how words impact them - so I tend to be a little extra-watchful on these discussions on how people are reacting and sometimes make 5 from 2 and 2 Anduke direct ga adigesanu The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 2380 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 68.39.7.247 Rating: N/A |
Robo movie lo Vasigaran Chitti ki explain cheyataaniki try chesthunnappudu pidugu padi Chitti short-circuit avvuddi!!! Adey movie lo Chitti ni life-like tayaaru cheyataaniki hormones ni reverse engineering chesi software code upgrade chesthaadu Vasee!!! iyanni maamooluga cheyaledu movie la, there are no answers ani cheppataaniki Director Shankar pannina pannaagam ani naa idhi.. naa adhi!!! Free-will, Self-aware, Consciousness, Thoughts - aren't these chemical reactions at a cellular/tissue-systems level? Thoughts and emotions are hormonal ani eppudo kanipettesaaru kada. Memory, data, information, if you step out of the binary bits-and-bytes level, all of this is chemical reactions too.
Personally, I think karma-sidhhantham vachhindi communal harmony ni spread cheytaaniki. pichhi veshaalu veyakundaa padhhati vundamani janaalki chaati chepithey, cellular level lo jarige chemical reactions valla universe level lo adverse effects vundoddu ani. The reverse is not true, natural calamities occur because nature has taken an antibiotic because we humans are behaving like bacteria... no offense but, hemto!!! The beauty of it all is the Principle of Duality. A cell and it's metabolism is defined by it's DNA. DNA cannot mutate, divide, supply or store info, for that matter even exist without the cell it's meant for!!! The DNA in your eyes are the same in your liver. But cells in liver are different, and function differently compared to cells in the eyes because of how the DNA reacts/functions in each of the cells. Stem cell research sesinollu can throw a lot more light. Thoughts, consciousness, self-awareness - you are who you are because of your genes and your surroundings!!! What it all explains is that Life is a two-legged beast, and a lot of it is purely coincidental amidst a large scale randomness!!! Cognito Ergo Sum - I Think, therefore I am!!! - Rene Descartes. Everything I like is either Illegal, Immoral, Fattening, Addictive, Expensive, Impossible or Committed!! Good Things Happen, when you go out and earn it!! | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39747 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 24.224.119.130 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu. Sorry if I came across as blunt. I wanted to convey that I am not up for a serious discussion and my posts need to be taken seriously. Just some random thoughts. anthe. more thoughts Why I felt stones have life? even thru undergo transformations. they are not permanent. they do cease to exist after some time. they belong to some living thing. but it is not same as animals or plants. i also think life in plants is different. Coming to Kamal's question (my thoughts) What is keeping an atom stable? Why is it not loosing or gaining electrons and forming new molecules every moment? There is some process thats running inside atom all the time. can we call it dead? is narayana not in it? | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 4814 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 117.213.208.42 Rating: |
Atom is a corruption of Atma.. yeah.. that which has neither birth nor death... | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13366 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: |
I may be wrong, but a change I noticed - you have become sensitive to questions/opinions on these topics anipistundi from the last few interactions...a far cry from the guy who in a discussion on atheism said "thank you for asking the right questions " If my reading is right just let me know and I will stop questioning We had prolonged discussions on these topics 4-5 years ago - and my own inquiry was greatly helped by people who questioned my take/asked me to explain it - because in doing so I crystallised my own thoughts.. So I am asking the questions thinking that they may help others - but if it is having the counter effect - I will stop Let me give you another angle to think thru though before I stop ... Even from a philosophical perspective - not everything that exists has life... Life is defined as an interaction , not existence....Summarized in the statement Shiva without Sakti is Shava ... Life starts when Jada padarthas are infused with Sakti is one of the philosophical concepts The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13365 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Why is it a paradox ? Like JH said as long as there is metabolism at a cellular level the cells are alive... The human body is a conglomeration of subsystems..Human death is defined by certain systems shutting down - not that every cell in the body is dead at that instant The analogy that comes to mind is - even when you turn the power off a computer ..you have to wait for some time to let all the circuits to shut down...and reset for the power cycle Now let me give you another scenario - I watched robots play soccer at UT Austin - artificially intelligent robots that are aware of their position, of other robots, the goalpost , the soccer field boundaries and soccer ball..they even learn the most efficient ways to make their job efficient, they communicate with other robots, get up if they fall down ... So they are self-aware - would you classify them as alive ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13799 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.212.96 Rating: |
our eyes are "alive" for 4 hours after we are "dead" .. paradox .. "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13798 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.212.96 Rating: N/A |
arupulu .. no wonder .. I am your fan .. if an atom answers - it is certainly living .. nee clarity keka .. "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Ballasticmissile Side Hero Username: Ballasticmissile Post Number: 4557 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 125.99.197.136 Rating: N/A |
chuss how could i miss this tadu... .. i am leading a pious life so far so good | ||
| J__the_heartist Side Hero Username: J__the_heartist Post Number: 8816 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 2.50.0.224 Rating: N/A |
Elli kajal papa kosam Inkosari Movie choodocchuga????  Koi Hindu hai, koi Muslim hai aur koi isai hai. Magar sabne insaan naa banne ki kasam khai hai | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 4160 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.174.16.179 Rating: N/A |
watch 'horton hears a who' movie Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 4158 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.174.16.179 Rating: N/A |
my cents.... if we be clear from where we would want to see our answer coming, then clarity would manifest itself infront of you.... for example, if you want to view the answer to this question from religion point of view and specifically from hinduism pov.... then answer would be NO.... life is something that is carried in and out by a soul.... so, the same 'matter', when without soul, is lifeless! just like M_S bhayya told! But, if you want to not believe in hinduism and see if purely from what is commonly accepted today as science, then, may be Yes, an atom might be considered a living being! again, its just a MAY be Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13364 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Gaia hypothesis google chesi chadavandi, you will feel better The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Zulu Hero Username: Zulu Post Number: 16906 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.113.19.145 Rating: N/A |
Coka..naku ilanti ideas vochayi..Oka sari, I took antiboitics theesukunna for a about a week..10 days..appudu anukunna..mana body lo bacteria laga manam kooda part of a bigger organism called universe..when we create trouble..universe takes something like antibiotics..which in the shortterm creates calamities like floods or earthquakes..but eventually gets things in order.. ento naa post choosi nake ila anipisthundi  | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13363 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
OK- both of us on the same page
Thoughts are thoughts - I was not questioning them - just trying to understand where you were coming from The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39712 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 24.224.119.130 Rating: N/A |
is an atom aware of itself? i think only atom can answer that. | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39709 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 24.224.119.130 Rating: N/A |
thammud. correst ye anduke kada...eyes donate chestaaru. after transplant, eyes start reporting to a different brain. it means..eyes are very much alive and they have life of their own. may be the eye thinks like us. that it is the highest level of authority and it has freewill. just like us. we have free will but if there is an earthquake, theres hardly anything we can do. we report to a higher consciousness. which is nature. | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 2379 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 68.39.7.247 Rating: N/A |
I am sorry but I thought my post actually hit on that question. Atoms DO NOT have life. Life begins when Metabolism starts. Cells, which are blocks of molecules constantly under some form of reaction, have life. Those sets of reactions, together as we call them metabolism is in itself Life. Just because the heart stopped pumping, we declare that the individual is dead, does not necessarily mean that every single cell in the body is dead too. Cells that are still metabolising cease to undergo those reactions due to lack of conducive environments and start to react in a different way - ketosis. Rather, ketosis is constantly happening in the body, and cells die, and every single living-being is a whole new individual over a period of days.
We sure don't know where it all begin, and howz it all going on right now. Unless those questions are answered, I personally contemplate that the core of the entire living Universe as of we know now is purely by "Coincidence of Randomness". Everything I like is either Illegal, Immoral, Fattening, Addictive, Expensive, Impossible or Committed!! Good Things Happen, when you go out and earn it!! | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39708 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 24.224.119.130 Rating: N/A |
Stone is part of the earth too. We are like more important body parts of the earth. May be like bacteria in our stomach. Stones and mountains are like nails and hair. Crazy thoughts ostunaai. Mana db ye kada ani post estunna. Cant reason with anyone | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13362 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Read that as "assumed inorganic matter did not have life" The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13361 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Anduke defintion adiganu Inorganic matter has atoms and they have energy too..But your definition assumed inorganic matter did not Are you revising that definition then?The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13360 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Intriguing Do the predictions say anything about what's going to happen later - evaraina chadivara ?The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Emc2 Hero Username: Emc2 Post Number: 11751 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.246.229.243 Rating: N/A |
electromagnetic charge,when it merge with other molecules it becomes a complex molecule, that complex molecule becomes a amino acid ,that amino acid becomes a single cell,that single cell becomes a complex could be any organism.. in micro level it is the atom who provides the basic energy and so on.. aa sense lo aalochisthe Atom has a life.. cherapakura chedevu. | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13787 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.96.155.213 Rating: |
aa madhya (may be 3 years ago) nuvvu pampina video gurtunda? Quantum Mechanics explain chestoo .. intelligence of an electron gurinchi discuss chesadu? observer-observed thing? so per QM, can we say .. atoms "may have" life? "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8849 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.228.240.169 Rating: |
This question highlights the tremendous shortcoming of modern science IMO. Theoretically, life can be defined as anything that has consciousness. Science(physics) is not equipped (in fact ill equipped) to define what either life is or define consciousness is. Modern science (physics) only deals with objects that are metrizable. Furthermore,With in the scope of metrizability one needs to "define" a characteristic that serves as a function of metric. According to one classical "view" (definition), there is no such thing called vaccum and hence every pocket of universe has energy. If energy were to be used as an indicator for "life", then atom has life. This is the view held by QED. One can always come up with a refuting definition and as long as one can prove that it can be a self consistent axiomatic structure. Lot of people with no rigorous training in sciences tend to misuse the terms like "proof" and "scientific method" for they find it fashionable. Science has a very strict scope of dealing only with definitions and corollaries thereof. | ||
| Jacksparrow Side Hero Username: Jacksparrow Post Number: 5789 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 78.137.141.112 Rating: N/A |
edo google sestante idi dorikindi... bhavisya purana predicted tulak religion... oka look veyandi http://bhavishyapuran.blogspot.com | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13359 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Initial qustion answer cheyyaledu Do atoms have life - Yes ,No, Maybe?
Aa stone ki unna life emiti anede na question ? Trying to understand what quality is he calling life in a stone... The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13786 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.96.155.213 Rating: |
Great post .. Great question .. 5 stars .. kaani .. I dont think .. we all exist (nature, this beautiful planet, this entire eco system, other planets, sun) .. by an accident .. life cant be so random/unexplainable .. just because we, individually, didnt understand it .. "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Pulibongaram Side Hero Username: Pulibongaram Post Number: 5894 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 68.47.142.157 Rating: N/A |
atoms ....evaru veellu? kotha caset aa? | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 2378 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 68.39.7.247 Rating: |
i think the definition of life should come from understanding the term 'metabolism'. atoms may be the smallest particles identified, although composed of several many sub-atomic particles, only atoms can exist independently. stability is a different question altogether giving rise to a group of atoms coexisting in harmony thereby forming a molecule. Yet, by definition, all living beings are composed of cells. So what is a cell? It is nothing but a group of molecules constantly involved in a series of reactions - oxidation, neutralization etc, to the scale of even cell-division, all of them put together as metabolism. what caused the very first metabolic reaction? Probably the environment on earth was conducive enough for these reactions to being occurring, purely accidental, thus creating the very first single-cellular organisms. Rest all is Evolution. I hope the keyword Metabolism answers it? Everything I like is either Illegal, Immoral, Fattening, Addictive, Expensive, Impossible or Committed!! Good Things Happen, when you go out and earn it!! | ||
| Emc2 Hero Username: Emc2 Post Number: 11742 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.246.229.243 Rating: N/A |
cherapakura chedevu. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13358 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
I asked Coke bcos by this definition a stone or a piece of copper does not have life The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Emc2 Hero Username: Emc2 Post Number: 11741 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.246.229.243 Rating: N/A |
The condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional... cherapakura chedevu. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13357 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Define life please The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Emc2 Hero Username: Emc2 Post Number: 11740 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.246.229.243 Rating: N/A |
than atoms are also living things... cherapakura chedevu. | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 39707 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 24.224.119.130 Rating: |
Everything that exists has life. Life is not boolean. There are degrees. Stone has a level, plants have a level and so on. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13356 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
You may not want the answers - because tomorrow if you decide everything has life - even drinking water would be an act of killing The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13785 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.96.155.213 Rating: N/A |
Hmm .. exactly .. we need more answers I guess .. may be "life" definition ni review cheyyalemo bhayya .. "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10189 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.119.76.166 Rating: N/A |
Oh my mad... Spell correction mahathyam... Madisi sachipoyyaka ani chadavandi the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10188 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.119.76.166 Rating: N/A |
Tilakam, Mafiosi sachinodu ploys aka, ante life less body lo kooda matter, and there by atom untayi.. Current pass seethe pass avudhi, vedi pedithe heat avuthadhi... Dheeni batti emi deduce seyyavachu the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13355 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
I have as kid and was told because atoms are smallest stable form - but that was based on scientific knowledge then..All scientific definitions are man-made...based on the scientific body of knowledge of the time.. Life is also a man made definition - Same with living things ...life atom lo leda ante not life as defined today Anyway lets see what others come up with The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13784 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.96.155.213 Rating: N/A |
bhale vaadive .. we need to know kada .. we are made up of atoms .. and we dont know what atoms are? "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Emc2 Hero Username: Emc2 Post Number: 11739 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.246.229.243 Rating: N/A |
living non living pakkana pedithe every dam thing in universe is our relative, irrespective of atoms and sub atomic particles are living or non living we all are related.. so next time nunchi start respecting rayi rappa also... if we consider atoms are living things then the above scenarios applies.. for me living things are which has amino acids and virus nunchi anni living things.. if you consider atoms as living things then we should consider trash and garbage also living things which is not.. cherapakura chedevu. | ||
| Diviseema Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 14342 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 14.96.123.123 Rating: N/A |
naa pichhi vagudiki der baa singles vesthunnadu anukunta. edo thamash ki vaaguthunna. T DBing ki hanikaram. Dooram ga vundali | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13783 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.96.155.213 Rating: N/A |
I dont have a postion on this yet .. edo aalochistonte ee doubt vachindi .. so I thought ..google chesa .. no good answer anipinchindi .. mana DB lo kuda bagane science enthusiasts unnaru kada .. lets see who thinks what ani thread vesa .. not exactly .. kaani .. I find it surprising that I have never questioned .. why is atom the basest form of matter .. what are its characteristics .. etc .. never thought about it .. so finding out anthe .. "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13354 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: |
But what was really the intent of your question ? 1.Are you trying to support/defend a starting position that you already have ? 2.Are you trying to test your own position ? 3.Are you trying to find out what position to take ? 4.Are you trying to test if others know the answers you do ? Do you know that ? Only if you can honestly answer 2 or 3, this discussion is worth my time..in that case put your position forward and we can discuss 1& 4 are a waste of time and energy for meThe foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Diviseema Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 14340 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 14.96.123.123 Rating: |
anuvu lo aparamaina sakthi kaladu ani geeta lo chepparu. so life vunnatte anukunta. T DBing ki hanikaram. Dooram ga vundali | ||
| Diviseema Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 14339 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 14.96.123.123 Rating: |
anything which have energy is life. even batteries have life  T DBing ki hanikaram. Dooram ga vundali | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13782 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.96.155.213 Rating: N/A |
koddiga help cheyyachu ga answer tho .. arent atoms living beings per science? "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13781 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.96.155.213 Rating: |
that scientific definition is just one version .. right? need not necessarily explain truth? I am trying to understand why are atoms not considered living beings .. when it is all we are made up of, per science. anyways .. will step aside and wait for what you science enthusiasts come up with .. "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13353 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
I follow the scientific definition of living things listed in that question - and my opinion like any others is based on what we know at this point..What we do not know can be anything There are two scenarios where that would be reclassified: a.We find out more about the atom that makes it fit "life" by scientific definition b.We redefine 'life' and atoms fall within that new definition The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13779 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.96.155.213 Rating: N/A |
Please explain your ideas. Arent atoms the basic matter known? and are we (living orgs) all just a combination of atoms and molecules? what do you think about this - http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_atoms_alive "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8848 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.60.236.221 Rating: |
there is no unambiguous definition of life with in the ambit of science | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13352 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Yes No doubt in my mind..The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13778 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.96.155.213 Rating: N/A |
Is it a firm No? No without an ambiguity? Part of growing up process! "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13351 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
No Enduku inta basic doubts vastunnayi ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 13775 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.96.155.213 Rating: |
Does science consider an atom as a living being? "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda |
