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     Saarang Junior Artist Username: Saarang Post Number: 598 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.174.242 Rating: N/A |
Good point. I am not too worried about market favoring some disciplines like Engineering for some periods of time. I think supply-demand will catch-up. In a few years, I think pure sciences will be back in favor for monetary reasons as well. | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8784 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
Not necessarily true annai...Mathematical universe has its own extant and in it for the curious and driven lay the grandest edifices of truth..just like self realization, it takes life time to even assimilate a speck of it. As Von neumann said, Human knowledge thus far out of the possible mathematical truths is a set of measure zero ante like size of set of rationals in the set of reals annattu | ||
| Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 11028 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 63.79.89.16 Rating: N/A |
I have different opinion........it fragments mind with it's own cobwebs amd moves it away from peace, it becomes an unresistable habit if the mind is not matured or anchored in some higher outlook than maths........many became mad with maths including Boltzmann who commited suicide...i am not saying becoming mad or suicide itself is something negative on math......it becomes a process opposite to spirituality if taken beyond a level....that's my understanding.....may be right or wrong | ||
| Reentry Comedian Username: Reentry Post Number: 1940 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 65.198.163.148 Rating: N/A |
my wife's friend did her PHD in chemistry from IITM and doing her job as associate professor..Vaalla guide world lo top 5 chemistry geniuses lo okadu anta.. inko friend same PHD and working as associate professor in pondicherry central university Salary vinte mind block avuntundhi.. oka entry programmer ki vachentha kooda ledhu maree intha thakkuva unte evaru vasthaaru ee sciences ki?? | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8783 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
this is the root cause. Mana dourbhagyam enti ante...we were the first in the world to see what fourier said and saw...Madhavacharya of the kerala school of mathematics was the world's first mathematician to exposit that any continuous function can be approximated with smooth function and explicit showed the use of transcendental functions ( much more general than fourier bases) almost 500 years ahead of any known account of the west....but we call local approximations as taylor polynomials..... mana desanni nikrushtamaina intellectual slavery nunchi eppudu nidra leputharo...appude we can recreate that magic that was truly ours | ||
| Kalikaalam Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam Post Number: 7146 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.159.194.11 Rating: |
"Dabbulu raani, demand leni subject yenduku?" ani naa sincere question.Naa niece ki, naku ide argument. Doctor ayi atleast 200k tho job start chese demand vundi, math chesthe 60k ki job start chese situaion vunte, yenduku math chadvukovali anedi naa question. | ||
| Chakkera_keli Comedian Username: Chakkera_keli Post Number: 1045 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 206.39.12.245 Rating: N/A |
jara detail ga explain seyyi annai... nerchukuntam.... | ||
| Dreamcatcher Side Hero Username: Dreamcatcher Post Number: 3763 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.86.145.68 Rating: N/A |
Math was my favorite subject when in school....kaani ee thread saduvuthuntay {bemmi_up_down_look} | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8782 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
I wont argue annai...I am a misanthrope...I dont beleive that humans are the center of universe and its underpinnings...Mathematical truths far surpass the filthy existence of humans and their relevance and is the closest to pure bliss once can acheive apart from spiritual meditation... I beleive that the proofs are from the book...if you know erdos | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8781 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
Von neuman is god amma as far as applied math is concerned. Kurradi book okati unde Science,society and computers ani...arachakam ga untundhi...UG days lo chadivanu...uneffable author.... inkodu unnadu polish school nunchi stainslaw ulam ani.....arachak.....1960's warsaw school is second only to the golden age of math at gottingen and heidelberg | ||
| Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 11027 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 63.79.89.16 Rating: N/A |
every area has its challenges......what percentage of pure maths is used in applied sciences........if people have special interest they can pursue.....why it should be a preferred choice at large | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8779 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
Nope. I never had the necessary BG for this. One needs Topology and abstract algebra for starters and then Group theory which is subsumed in the latter. Needs a solid 4 year program in pure math to even understand the proofs regarding ideal representations and ring structures of the quintics. Manaki antha scene illilio. I am more of an applied math guy. The closest I can come in connecting is via Applied Functional analysis that too in some metric spaces...pathological topology kooda hands up...One needs a very strong set theoretic foundations to handle the whole range of topological problems. | ||
| Chakkera_keli Comedian Username: Chakkera_keli Post Number: 1042 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 206.39.12.245 Rating: N/A |
engineering lo kuda math kada antha... math leni engineering eti undi.....?? | ||
| Zuri Junior Artist Username: Zuri Post Number: 164 Registered: 12-2012 Posted From: 173.36.196.9 Rating: N/A |
agree | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6392 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.67.78 Rating: N/A |
heard a story about von neumann recently from a prof. IAS lo unnapudu, random 3 PM chai break lo grad students vachi picha paati pettetollanta. so, some PhD student would state his thesis problem and as they are talking, neumann would get to the board and solve the problem. in 15 mins, he would solve what an princeton PhD has worked for a year.  dheenamma, naaku fuse lechi poindhi. I have great respect for the man but idhi vinnaaka total out. he had apparently 'completely' designed an architecture of the human brain but never presented it to anybody. if only.balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6391 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.67.78 Rating: N/A |
nee yenkamma, once in a lifetime impact antey mari too much. nenu cheppina list is making major contri as well - but in incremental steps. Vazirani level eskovachu.
try chesaava eppudannaa?  balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Buduguuu Hero Username: Buduguuu Post Number: 11887 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 199.249.176.251 Rating: N/A |
 Coolmac : nanu comment sesey staayi ledhu neeku Biryani about Mahesh Babu | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8778 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
rec trichy has a better international reputation than rec w. idaithe fact annattu and I rate REC trichy much higher than REC W from the sample set I have seen. I might be wrong | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8777 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
Still in terms of pure originality there are only 3-4 people who are considered genius non pareil in math...as per hardy...ramanujam in terms of Mathematical genius scores 100/100 where as hilbert is 80/100 Per me Gauss,Euler,Ramanujam Galois,Abel Hilbert Cauchy | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 12902 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.236.45 Rating: N/A |
neeku innesi isayaalu etta telusu? "India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal" || "...with patriotism must be associated a real feeling for others... We must not forget that we have to teach a great lesson to the world... religion and philosophy..." - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8776 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
No comments....this is a very naive statement...pure math is the hardest known human endeavor. | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8775 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
French school of pure math is a formidable school. Grothendieck, Levy, Serre, Haim berzis, Fourier...and many more... French habilitation is currently the best in the world post the Bourbaki period. Algebraic geometry and Galois theory are fundamental to representations and are the hardest sphere of pure math. French Ecoles are the leading centers for research there. CC lo I think only one who made any original contribution of sizeable impact is Agarwal saab. Vazirani etc are awesome in algorithms in particular but still not at a level of turing prize | ||
| Pavala Hero Username: Pavala Post Number: 16786 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 80.162.58.115 Rating: N/A |
ee indiorox kurrod prathee ollani kinchaparchadaniki ready.....PM scientific adv CS rao mana telgu akul......IITD lo faculty lo sambar akula kanna telgu akula % ekkuva....engg lo mana ap vaallu lenattu full colouring kurrod... lillistar remuneration is 6 Cr - Information from lillistar all world president new_user | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6390 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.67.78 Rating: N/A |
true. I think, andhra people are genetically solid entrepreneurs. money ekkada untey akkada manam untaam. okkokkalladhi okko trait, in india. money, glamor, politics - AP.balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13094 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Thanks - looks like something my younger one will like The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Pavala Hero Username: Pavala Post Number: 16783 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 80.162.58.115 Rating: |
der nuv muy....akkada mana andhra akul ni till indep nokkesi thokkesaar....ippati dhaaka no IIT no prem insti....otherwise mana aakul kooda good ani naa view...compare RECW and Trichy....both stand good...may be REC fares better....nuvvu dhukanam bandha sesi jai telgu akul anu lillistar remuneration is 6 Cr - Information from lillistar all world president new_user | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6387 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.67.78 Rating: N/A |
I did not mean IMO is 'the' measure. but it will be a significant variable in the regression, if you were to run it. french lo Grothendick thakka, inkevaru? naa koduku peru meedha oka french mathematician unnadu. anthey naaku thelisi. I *FUNDAMENTALLY* believe that not thinking in your mother tongue is the fu*king root cause of our despair in math. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Moderator Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 20659 Registered: 02-2009 Rating: N/A |
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| Gotcha Hero Username: Gotcha Post Number: 10306 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 8.19.193.14 Rating: N/A |
vedic maths enduku teach cheyaru mana school lo. it is easier to do calcualtions with vedic math than by hearting the tables This real estate is for sale. | ||
| Gotcha Hero Username: Gotcha Post Number: 10305 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 8.19.193.14 Rating: N/A |
read it as 80k per month, ofcourse thats in software only. This real estate is for sale. | ||
| Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 11019 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 63.79.89.16 Rating: N/A |
Bongs better than other indians pure sciences but nowhere close to world standards.....India anni levels lo just vanakalam chaduvulu asalu pure maths, science chadivesthe pedda topulu ani enduku anukovali.....both overated and waste of time.. simple math lo konchem depth vunte chaalu.....math beyond basics is pure torture to mind and soul | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13093 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
I understand what you meant- but it is something to think about - because it all comes back to us as parents The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6386 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.67.78 Rating: N/A |
whattt??? seriously? madhusudan, venkatesan gurusami, harsha, charikar .. nee yenkamma entha mandhi diggajalu dhunnuthuntey C&C ni, especially codes and algos. theoretical comp sci lo indians are a force. pure math is the problem. and CMI is the beacon of hope right now. only hope. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Gotcha Hero Username: Gotcha Post Number: 10304 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 8.19.193.14 Rating: N/A |
bengal lo statistcs di manchi institue undi, tokkalo hyd lo emundi. evarana jeradamu ani telangana non local seats lo asalu raadu. my friends studied in the statiscal institue and their joing salary was around 80 per month some ten years back. This real estate is for sale. | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8773 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
this is the root cause. IMO is not a measure of originality as much it is a measure of on the feet expertise in Symbol manipulation which is no mean skill either. People like Haim barzis etc have not even qualified for any IMO medals but produced students who went on to further almost all branches of pure math. French are very poor at IMO but when you look at their contributions to pure math in general, they are the best in the world. Tells you something with repsect to the measure I spoke abt. | ||
| Cyberabadsinnodu Side Hero Username: Cyberabadsinnodu Post Number: 5958 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.48.62.237 Rating: N/A |
id maristhe ooolo anukunna ఎంత చికాగో యునివర్సిటీ లో చదువుకున్నా చిలక్కొట్టుడికి సరైన ఇంగ్లీషు పదం దొరుకుతుందా..!! | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6385 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.67.78 Rating: N/A |
check this out once for your kid - http://www.theuniverseandmore.com/ a friend runs this.
if high school math in india is that much better, why dont we have any solid IMO performance? what's missing? how come even Korea comes #1 but we keep struggling to even be in the top 10? I think US has a great system that, in true capitalist sense, caters to the need. you get AP classes here for the gifted and for the regular kid, it is pretty basic. india is one size fits all - and the less gifted suffer and the more gifted get frustrated. what would you prefer? balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8772 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
AP has never been an intellectual force in India as far a Sciences are concerned. Tells how sub standard we as a sub sect are. We are obsessed with mindless idolatry of people and materialistic pursuits. Math in India has always been the purview of Tams and Bongs. This is no historical outlier. Ever since AP residential colleges starting producing sweat shops, there has been a correlated downgrade of standards of IIT grads. All top Phd apps from IITM and subsequent acheivers are Tams and at IITK they are predominantly Bongs. Computer science is the only field where we are seeing some hope. IIT graduates will beat the shit out of any one in fields of Network topologies and wireless protocols ( encoding thoery too) but when it comes to complexity and computability, Indian grads fade out and if any one knows theoretical comp sci, this field is the heart of algorthmic computer science | ||
| Zuri Junior Artist Username: Zuri Post Number: 161 Registered: 12-2012 Posted From: 173.36.196.9 Rating: N/A |
just not in high school...it is true for elementary and middle school math | ||
| Zuri Junior Artist Username: Zuri Post Number: 160 Registered: 12-2012 Posted From: 173.36.196.9 Rating: N/A |
Sis....naa sentence lo unfortunately word missing, couldn' depict the tone properly in my writing...I wasn't justifying | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 8771 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17 Rating: N/A |
annai...this is exactly what I meant...Pure sciences (Math and physics) are in an abysmal state in India...Once in a while we get students of the stature of C.Seshadri or Subramaniam from CMI and TIFR that produce stunning results in pure math. Look at any outstanding Math dept in US and Europe and see the complete non presence of Indian graduate students. I say some one with no solid training in Analysis and Topology can never contribute originally to any branch of engineering. Our Math education is abysmal at the university level. In my exp high school math in India is exponentially better than high school math in States and then its all haywire | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13092 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
We want someone else to carry the sciences forward, while we reap the tangible rewards ? Does that not strike a discordant note ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Indiarocks Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 12237 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 64.254.96.172 Rating: N/A |
Pure sciences taruvatha asalu mana vallu engg ainaa sarigga chestunnara? Real engineering fields lo Andhra vallani torchlight vesi vethakali. No offense kaani edo oka software tool nerchukuni, or few line of code rasthe adi engineering kinda raadu anukuntunna. What is JP doing for Kukatpally? | ||
| Zuri Junior Artist Username: Zuri Post Number: 158 Registered: 12-2012 Posted From: 173.36.196.9 Rating: N/A |
Pure sciences/art need passion, our folks generally measure everything in tangible paybacks...so no surprise sad to see Tams moving in that direction. | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6382 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.67.78 Rating: N/A |
undhi. aallu kolkatta vadhli bangalore and delhi lo kooda campus lu pettaru. still not much turnout. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Pulibongaram Side Hero Username: Pulibongaram Post Number: 5790 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 162.115.108.104 Rating: N/A |
inkoti enti.... ISI? ISI lo UG undaa? | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6379 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.67.78 Rating: N/A |
well, that was the mindset most of us came from. I wsa hoping it was going to change with the wealth in the middle class. but it may take a couple of more generations. till then, Bengalis are our pride. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6377 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.67.78 Rating: N/A |
glad someone responded. yeah, sad situation with Andhra. asalu Bengalis confidence and commitment to basics super. AP lo enni dabbul osthunna, inka inkaa atepe payanam kaani, no body is getting into sciences. Even central university in Hyd has a decent math dept. but they struggle to find talented students. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13089 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
When I said my son wanted to major in Math - most of the DBers reaction was "why ?" That explains the student distribution in CMI does it not? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Zuri Junior Artist Username: Zuri Post Number: 156 Registered: 12-2012 Posted From: 173.36.196.9 Rating: N/A |
Both of them might be busy with Engg/MBBS | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6372 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.61.12.115 Rating: |
chennai math institute is one of the two Indian prestigious schools for undergrad math. look at the bengali domination. and only *one* telugu tejam. speaks about our brand obsession in Andhra. sad. surprising to see almost no tamilians either. http://www.cmi.ac.in//people/students.php balupu s/o gelupu |
