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     Kish Megastar Username: Kish Post Number: 29381 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 8.34.148.198 Rating: N/A |
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| Humpty_dumpty Moderator Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 20562 Registered: 02-2009 Rating: N/A |
nee bilahari raagam aapu first  walla kee hinduism padadhu...vadhu antunaaru daaniki nuvvu original anukuntunnava ani kindaling deniki? atta kakundaa hatred preaching chestay appudu thoda kottina ardham undhee...nuvvu chesina generalisation apply to all? basky mama septhaad food lo evo types...konni tintay jaadi lo edho awudheee ani antay avi tinaka pothay body lo current flow awadhaa ani aduguthaava | ||
| Bittertruth Junior Artist Username: Bittertruth Post Number: 126 Registered: 11-2012 Posted From: 98.156.73.49 Rating: N/A |
Some desert tribes from Afghanistan...Iran...and other Central Asian countries could be called pure Aryans today and some forest tribes in south india could be called pure dravidians ...Most of us are sankara. | ||
| Bittertruth Junior Artist Username: Bittertruth Post Number: 125 Registered: 11-2012 Posted From: 98.156.73.49 Rating: N/A |
Most of us Indians are Sankara Jathi between Central Asians and Local Indians... Pure Aryans would be like...Afghani/Turkmenistan...etc. Pure Dravidians would be dark...Some of my relatives are very dark..some are light and some are really fair.. | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Moderator Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 20561 Registered: 02-2009 Rating: N/A |
how many races/tribes Hinduism was able to absolve over the course of its legendary existence? andulo entha mandi original kooda cheppu? ee dikky Q kee answer seyyakundaa nannu hindu hater kindaa vestaar...par ledh | ||
| Kish Megastar Username: Kish Post Number: 29380 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 8.34.148.198 Rating: N/A |
Yes, when they show-off that they are more holier than the actual believers. Just like converted christians who don't accept Hindu temple prasadhams because they feel they are more orthodox than actual Christians. || || PK || JP || MODI || CBN || SACHIN || JDLN || EENADU || HYDERABAD || | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Moderator Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 20559 Registered: 02-2009 Rating: N/A |
aa negastt driveway nee pachadi chesi...isakaa..beedar colleague first winter lo driveway lo vesaadu...dobbindhee safe for driveways, vegetation ani untay nenu kooda oka 30lbs dabba vesukochaanu but not using I think walkway ( white cement) unna chota use chesthay it will be okay but not on tar ani vinna | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Moderator Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 20558 Registered: 02-2009 Rating: N/A |
secularism kee deeniki sambandham enti basu...liberals antay sickular anna feeling thappa inka veray opinion raadha mind lo? inter caste marriages jarupunna walla deggariki velli mee pillalu sankara jaathi ani constructively seppoachaa | ||
| Jp_rocks Moderator Username: Jp_rocks Post Number: 14400 Registered: 06-2009 Rating: N/A |
intaki nijamgane salt eyakudada? ma friend gadu friendly ga iraga esestuntad vadi drive way lo | ||
| Kish Megastar Username: Kish Post Number: 29377 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 8.34.148.198 Rating: N/A |
What I meant was most of the so-called self proclaimed muslims in India aren't the descendents of the original muslim migrants. Most of their ancestors were either converted forcefully or married local Indian Hindu women and converted them to Islam. I used the word sankara in a positive note- rest mi SICKularism rules!  || || PK || JP || MODI || CBN || SACHIN || JDLN || EENADU || HYDERABAD || | ||
| Zulu Hero Username: Zulu Post Number: 16381 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 199.168.243.252 Rating: N/A |
kish khan em post chesadu? | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Moderator Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 20557 Registered: 02-2009 Rating: N/A |
maree sendaalam gaa vesaav post control maaa | ||
| Bittertruth Junior Artist Username: Bittertruth Post Number: 124 Registered: 11-2012 Posted From: 98.156.73.49 Rating: N/A |
I partly agree about the "Holier than thou" attitude. But the way you generalized in this kind of discussion does not look good. "Beyond Belief" is the book written by V.S.Naipaul (Indian from Trinidad and Tobago) for which he got a Nobel Prize. He discusses this similar attitude in the book. | ||
| Bunty717 Moderator Username: Bunty717 Post Number: 32509 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
desam lo mus andaru mem pathans antaaru.. malli okkadu kuda 3 ft ki ekkuva undadu.. ee maata vinte imran and akram kurrol suicide chesukuntaaru.. chass denemma jeevidhaa ani.. andariki golden heart PK telusu.. naaku KF telusu.. | ||
| Kish Megastar Username: Kish Post Number: 29376 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 8.34.148.198 Rating: N/A |
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| Jp_rocks Moderator Username: Jp_rocks Post Number: 14399 Registered: 06-2009 Rating: N/A |
 S (for siggu) unda ala generalize chesi anataniki 1 week ban (Message edited by humpty_dumpty on March 05, 2013) | ||
| Kish Megastar Username: Kish Post Number: 29374 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 8.34.148.198 Rating: N/A |
Yes, have you heard the phrase- "More catholic than Pope" ? Indian muslims antha just like Indian Christians but ee candidates ke balupu ekkuva because of inferiority complex that they are more like "naa ghar kaa naa ghaat kaa". Ego ni satisfy chesukotaaniki they act like orthodoxes. (Message edited by humpty_dumpty on March 05, 2013) || || PK || JP || MODI || CBN || SACHIN || JDLN || EENADU || HYDERABAD || | ||
| Bittertruth Junior Artist Username: Bittertruth Post Number: 123 Registered: 11-2012 Posted From: 98.156.73.49 Rating: N/A |
I think Indian muslims should take the route of some muslims that are taking the line of..."My religion is Islam but by culture I am Indian". Just because Islam has some Arabic cultural connotations and we have beleived their religion does not mean, we need to adopt their culture. This line of thought is gaining respect of educated Pakistanis these days. ..like what our Christians do.... | ||
| Kish Megastar Username: Kish Post Number: 29370 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 8.34.148.198 Rating: N/A |
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| Bittertruth Junior Artist Username: Bittertruth Post Number: 120 Registered: 11-2012 Posted From: 98.156.73.49 Rating: N/A |
Mabbulu veeduthunnayi... ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------- http://www.defence.pk/forums/social-issues-current-events/15 2075-arab-origins-pakistanis.html#ixzz2MgoZkDEv Every single Muslim in the subcontinent believes s/he is of Arab descent. If not direct Arab descent, then the illustrious ancestor had come from either Iran or Bukhara. Interestingly, the ancestor is always a great general or a saint. Never ever have we heard anyone boasting of an intellectual for a forebear. We hear of the progeny of savage robber kings, but there is no one who claims Abu Rehan Al-Beruni or Ibn Rushd as a distant sire. Arab origin is the favourite fiction of all subcontinental Muslims. Most claim their ancestor arrived in Sindh with the army under Mohammad bin Qasim (MbQ). But, I have heard of lineages reaching back to Old Testament prophets as well. An elderly Janjua (Rajput), from the Salt Range told me of a forefather named Ar, a son of the Prophet Isaac. Ar, he said, was the ancestor of the races that spoke the Aryan tongue! Touted as a local intellectual, this worthy was unmindful of the fact that Aryan was not a tribal name but a linguistic classification. Neither could he tell me how the name Ar, not being in the Old Testament, had reached him. He insisted this name headed his family tree and was, therefore true. The chart, written on a piece of rather newish paper had been, the Janjua insisted, copied from an old original. The original was of course destroyed after the copy was made. The Arains flaunt Salim al Raee as their father â the clan being called after his surname. A great and valiant general in the army of MbQ, this man was from an agricultural family of Syria, so the Tarikh-e-Araian tells us. Closer to our times, the Arains are indeed acclaimed for their green thumb for which reason Shah Jehan relocated a large bunch of them to mind the newly laid out Shalimar Garden of Lahore. Today, they are a very rich clan in Baghbanpura. The Tarikh expounds on this fictional ancestorâs noble background and courage in battle to the extent that he almost outshines MbQ. But it does not give us any source or reference for the rubbish that sullies its pages. There are two authentic histories of the Arab conquest of Sindh. Ahmad Al Biladhuriâs Futuh ul Buladan (written circa 860) and Hamid bin Ali Kufiâs Tarikh-e-Hind wa Sindh, translated first into the Persian as Fatehnama Sindh and then into Sindhi as the Chachnama (written circa 1200). There are dozens of names sprinkled across the pages of both works, but no mention is made of a blue-blooded warrior called Salim al Raee. There are other histories besides these two works which also disregard this name for the only reason that such a man never existed. The Awans, similarly, have a fictional ancestor called Qutb Shah from the line of the last caliph of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs. My friend Kaiser Tufail, an Arain, has had himself genetically tested from the US. He has no trace of Arab blood. His line comes from what is now Uzbekistan and has lived from early historic times in the subcontinent. The rest of us of this clan will see similar results should we go through this exercise. Kaiser had his son-in-law, an Awan, also tested. He, too, is singularly clean of Arab genes. Most of us are the progeny of converts. In their need to escape the discrimination of the so-called higher castes, our ancestors converted to a religion that in theory claimed to profess human equality regardless of colour or caste. I use the words âin theoryâ because even as the Arabs converted our ancestors to Islam, they discriminated against them for being âHindisâ as we learn this from Ibn Batutaâs own prejudices. And he is not alone. Consequently, even after conversion, my ancestors, poor agriculturists, were looked down upon by the Arabs and even those who had converted earlier the same way as they were by the Brahmans when they professed their Vedic belief. Within a generation or two, those early converts began the great lie of Arab ancestry to be equal to other converts and the Arabs. This became universal with time. The challenge then is for all those, Baloch, Pathan, Punjabi et al, who have invented illegitimate fathers for ourselves to get ourselves tested and know the bitter truth. | ||
| Bittertruth Junior Artist Username: Bittertruth Post Number: 119 Registered: 11-2012 Posted From: 98.156.73.49 Rating: N/A |
Though South Asia muslims were trying try to think that they are all descendents of Arabs, Indian and Pakistani muslims that had a taste of Arab people very well know that since they are converted muslims, Arabs treat them with contempt (like some in India treat SC's). Indian-Pak muslims are slowly coming to new terms that most of their genetic origins are Indian and not any way related to Arab or middle east. Here is some proof: http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2012/10/18/comment/columns/l osing-respect/ -------------------------------------------------- How Pakistanis are treated in Saudi Arabia Allow me to highlight some of the difficulties which the pilgrims from Pakistan have to face during the course of their visit to Saudi Arabia. Also the atrocities of the blood sucking mafia operating in our country in the shape of travel agents. A senior colleague of mine has recently come back from Saudi Arabia. He went there to perform Umrah. He stayed there for thirty days during the Holy month of Ramadan. From what I have heard from him, I do not think that the treatment meted out to him there, during the course of his stay, was entirely to his satisfaction. He had been lucky enough, in the past, to perform the religious duty of Hajj in the year 1985. At that time Saudi Rial was worth two and a half Pakistani Rupees. When he now landed in Saudi Arabia, Saudi Rial had considerably gone up. To begin with, it was worth 25 Pakistani rupees. During the course of his stay, his market experience showed that the money exchangers of Saudi Arabia were not even prepared to accept 25 Pakistani rupees for one Saudi Rial. This degradation in the value of Pakistani currency was really mind boggling for him. Even much worse treatment is being dealt out to the Pakistan currency by the USA dollar. It is the talk of the day that most of the people, having lots of riches in Saudi Arabia, prefer to deposit the same in American banks, just like what the Pakistani politicians are reportedly doing. This flight of capital from the country seems to be the main reason for the sharp decline in the value of the Pakistani currency. If the value of Saudi Rial keeps going up, who knows what consequence would result therefrom. If there is no let-up in the situation, the middle class and the lower middle class of Pakistan would soon come to realise that performance of the religious duty of Hajj and Umrah is something utterly beyond their financial capacity which facility would then possibly remain available only to the elitist class of Pakistan. There are rows and rows of multistoried buildings in the two holy cities. The Mecca tower is the tallest. It is a massive building, having thousands of rooms. Someone told him that rent, per day, of a room in the Mecca tower is four thousand Saudi Rials. In terms of Pakistani currency, the rent would be Rs 100000/-. So, perhaps even the elite class of Pakistan cannot afford the luxury of staying in Mecca tower. The message of our religion is that all human beings are equal, regardless of the colour of their skins, on account of being the offspring of Adam and Eve. However, as per him, during the course of his stay in Saudi Arabia, he felt that he was being treated as a human being of a lesser kind. Coming back to Mecca, from Madina, by a passenger bus, he and other Pakistani travellers were told, by the Arab bus driver, to disembark from the bus, pick up their luggage and to walk to their hotel, which happened to be at a considerable distance from the point, where the passenger bus was brought to a halt. The protests and entreaties of the passengers remained unheeded The Arab driver pointed out that beyond that point only Arabic speaking passengers had been allowed the privilege to move forward in a passenger bus, and that the said facility was not available to or could be claimed by non-Arabs. This discriminatory treatment was quite unwelcome to the Pakistani passengers, but quite obviously they could do nothing about the same and were forced to march towards their hotel, on foot. Does this mean that in the eyes of the Saudis, Pakistanis are Muslims of an inferior category? In fact, the same discriminatory treatment was meted out to him even in the Islamic Republic of Iran when he went there some years ago for Ziarat. The shopkeepers and traders of Saudi Arabia do their utmost for depriving the Zairin of what little they have. In Mecca, a cup of coffee was worth two Rials in the beginning. The price later on went up initially to five Rials, for a single cup of coffee, and later to 13 Rials. Perhaps the authorities concerned in Saudi Arabia do not think it proper to subject business community to any check or control. Even before he left for Saudi Arabia, a surprise confronted him. The concerned travel agent demanded a sum of Rs 32,000/- as visa fee. He later learned that the government of Saudi Arabia does not charge even a single penny for issuing visas. The travel agents in the business thus appear to be operating like a mafia. They amass wealth by sucking the blood of the poor and unsuspecting pilgrims. The matter definitely needs to be looked into by the ministry. Especially when the religious affairs minister has been able to secure bail, after more than one year of his arrest, in a criminal case registered against him. Both in Mecca and Madina, he found people openly enjoying soft drinks during day time. No one seemed to be interested in taking them to task for violating the sanctity of Ramadan. This failure to react, on part of the society, is a very healthy and pragmatic attitude. With more money and riches people start having greed and exaggerated avarice for gold. This became apparent in Madina. On one side of the Haram there was a massive and far spread out market of gold smiths, who shut down their business only during the prayer time. Their shops were adorned and packed with sparkling and glittering golden ornaments. Glare and brilliance of gold is like hell fire. Presence of such a huge gold market, in such close proximity of the Masjid-e-Nabvi, is repugnant to good taste and quite un-salutary. Coming out of Haram, one is practically catapulted into the gold market, as if thrown from the heaven, into the hell. The Saudi authorities should be kind enough to look into this. Finally, during Ramadan, whereas in Madina the hosts beg the Zairin to let them have the honour of joining them at Iftar time, the attitude at Mecca is quite different. The official staff in a harsh and disgraceful manner throw the Iftari packs at the Zairin, which induces in them the feeling as if they are beggars. Value of the Indian Rupee and Bangla Deshi currency is much better in Saudi Arabia as compared to Pakistani currency. Most of the sanitation staff appears to have been recruited from Bangladesh, whereas in the not too distant past such staff used to be recruited from Pakistan. It seems that Pakistan is no more treated as a favourable country in Saudi Arabia. |
