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Kalikaalam
Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam
Post Number: 6717 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.161.160.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 09:34 am: |
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Agniparvatham:evi anni nenuu ela cheppagaliganu ante ekkada Cert PMP gaa 4yrs Industry ... but never used it .....
Thanks Agni brother. |
   
Agniparvatham
Side Hero Username: Agniparvatham
Post Number: 3335 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 173.61.128.77
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 08:28 am: |
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Kalikaalam:
Mastaru AUDIT gurinchii worry avvodhu, it is jsut 1 in 10 casual random check, naaku padindhi, you can get the information from you bosses or colleagues who have worked for the same project ... so it is easy.. enka rendu, PMP preparation start cheshaka modhata aa PMBOK artham avvani avvakaponi aapakundaaa oka 2 days loo avvagotteyandi .... aa 400 pages ni ... Try to recollect what did u understand where you have blanks etc... mallii two days gap echi enkoo sarii avagotteseyandi .... next evvarayina manchii site chushi one or 2 model exams rashi ee area loo meeru weak unnaroo evaluate chehsukonii malli okasarii baga revision chehsukondi .... evi anni approximately oka 2 weeks lope jarigipovali mee preparation start to exam rayadam lekapothe konchemu marichipotham if you arenot working for process oriented FIRMS> evi anni nenuu ela cheppagaliganu ante ekkada Cert PMP gaa 4yrs Industry ... but never used it ..... |
   
Jawmetri
Side Hero Username: Jawmetri
Post Number: 2195 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 183.82.120.67
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 07:01 am: |
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Kalikaalam:
Agreed, from my perspective, if you have pm experience in one of the cmmi certified it services companies, this exam should be a breeze. The pass percentage is 60%. Regarding the qualification itself, it is a nice qualification to have but in some cases u also face the same issue with pmps that u face with mbas, thinking they are know alls because of the qualification. |
   
Kalikaalam
Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam
Post Number: 6715 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.161.160.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 05:51 am: |
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Jawmetri:If you have genuine PM experience, 20 hrs is enough.
Need not necessarily be. Your practcal experince might be different than PMI's concepts. My manager who got atleast 15 years of experience in project management failed 2 times in PMP exam. I am not tryign to project as if it is the toughest exam. You got to take it seriously if you want to pass the exam. |
   
Nagfanscom
Comedian Username: Nagfanscom
Post Number: 1280 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 14.140.149.65
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 04:20 am: |
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Good video on CPM calculation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsbnHNAkfVQ |
   
Jawmetri
Side Hero Username: Jawmetri
Post Number: 2194 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 183.82.120.67
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 04:12 am: |
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If you have genuine PM experience, 20 hrs is enough. |
   
Nagfanscom
Comedian Username: Nagfanscom
Post Number: 1279 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 14.140.149.65
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 03:51 am: |
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I invite you to pmwaresâ YouTube channel - http://www.youtube.com/pmwares. We have already made some project management knowledge available for your use and will continue enriching it with more videos and live recordings. Here is what in general available on pmwaresâ channel on YouTube⦠You can watch full recordings of free webinars we conduct every month. Recordings of free webinars of last couple of months are already available. Plus clips from our paid online programs are also there. It is bit difficult to provide full recording online however clips presenting a specific concept from the following programs are provided. Online Project Management Workshop for PMP Certification Microsoft Project 2010 â Workshop/Coaching program I believe this will help you to experience how these programs are conducted and how discussions happen in an online program. Some people are little skeptical about effectiveness of online programs however experience of our participants is bit different. Many of our participants found online programs more effective and interactive than a regular classroom session. These clips may give a little idea about it. Idea here is to let people experience the most effective, hassle free, economical and futuristic method of training delivery. We keep uploading full recordings and clips as and when we conduct programs. So go to http://www.youtube.com/pmwares and subscribe to pmwares channel to get to know about videos as and when they are uploaded without depending upon our emails which many times go into spam folder. I also invite you to join our online programs scheduled in Feb, 2013 Online Project Management Workshop for PMP Certification â Online - 2, 3, 9, 10 Feb, 2013 Microsoft Project 2010 â Group Coaching Program â Online â Starting 11th Feb and Ending 22nd Feb, 2013 Click on the above link to see details of these programs. The last but not the least, you can earn PDUs when you watch these videos in category C â Self-directed-learning. Please keep information about what you learned, the time and URL to video to support your claim. If you have any comments or suggestions, please write to me on dialogue@pmwares.com. I look forward to hear from you. With Best Regards Vivek Prakash contact@pmwares.com | +91-9405021929 | www.pmwares.com Follow us: Tweeter Facebook Linked-in This email is sent to bvmraju@yahoo.com If you wish you unsubscribe, click here |
   
Nagfanscom
Comedian Username: Nagfanscom
Post Number: 1278 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 115.242.24.229
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 10:30 pm: |
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No use to renew any certification. Once done it is enough as long as you are practicing it at work place. I completed PMP in 2005 and CSM in 2007. From the last 4 years I am into Agile practice. Agile CSM certification is good if you are in Product Development group. If not go for PMP that will give good overview of buisness, budget, planning, Risk, etc. Agile focus is on Execution only. -3nMar |
   
Anand_n
Hero Username: Anand_n
Post Number: 12775 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 10:03 pm: |
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Whyme: i have seen some goras (oka tella lady narakam sooinchindi.. find your own butt ante two days spend chesey type) passing PMP and rafing people from then on as if they drank amrutham and einsten entered their body...
Ilanti oka avida and oka desi candidate- NY nundi desam vachi maaku PMP inta kashtam anta kashtam ani cheptunte deeni sangati edo chuddam ani 3 months prepare ayyi rasaamu 2000 lo, nenu inko tamilan colleague - and breezed thru with a higher score than both the amri & desi candidate who claimed to have studied 11 books for a year to write it- talk about anticlimactic Up for renewal again - naaku ayite chala use ayyindi to enter the market here- especially because back then it was rare - ippudu numbers perigaru and it has lost value  The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim |
   
Kalikaalam
Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam
Post Number: 6713 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 76.124.26.72
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 05:07 pm: |
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Marocharitra:It was for PMBOK4,
Still, it is PMBOK4. From this June onwards, PMBOK5 apply avuthundi. |
   
Marocharitra
Comedian Username: Marocharitra
Post Number: 1005 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 66.241.32.158
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 04:41 pm: |
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Rasputin:
I use to listen Rita's audio in my CAR/iPhone. It was for PMBOK4, I guess. No sure how far would it be useful/relevant now. I can share it, if you need. |
   
Marocharitra
Comedian Username: Marocharitra
Post Number: 1004 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 66.241.32.158
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 04:38 pm: |
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Rasputin:
I would say 2 to 3 months. AGNIPARVATHAM annai post vundali DB lo yekkado on how to prepare ani (really good). Will try to find @home system, also pls search in DB (i am bad in searching). 1. Skim through PMBOK (first 3 chapters would be sooooo boring) - 2 weeks 2. Rita Mulkahy or HEAD first (nice & funny way to learn few theories/concepts) - 3/4 weeks 3. Back to PMBOK ...this would book more sense than first time reading - 2 weeks 4. take sample test/mock test online ...analyse results/go back to concepts where you did badly 5. repeat step 4, until you get comfortable |
   
King
Side Hero Username: King
Post Number: 4367 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 208.185.201.194
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 04:10 pm: |
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Rasputin:
Rasputin:family responsibilities
neeee...kids leru, kurchunna chotiki tiffi\lunch\dinner vasthai..inka neeku unna family responsibilities enti Ashton - I'm living an Amish lifestyle. so far so good. |
   
Maverick
Legend Username: Maverick
Post Number: 42981 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 184.150.236.67
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 03:59 pm: |
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pmp renew cheyyala vadda ani thinking.. Who is this DB member? |
   
Enigmatic
Junior Artist Username: Enigmatic
Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2010 Posted From: 72.94.247.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 03:56 pm: |
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ee PMP rayadaniki - head first PMP chadivithe saripotitundaa . alage emanna easy gaa chadavadinike vunde - exam cram type book lo vunnnaya. Also ikkada PM jobs apply cheste idi vundadam valla emmanna use vundtundaa ? |
   
Rasputin
Hero Username: Rasputin
Post Number: 17310 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 03:13 pm: |
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Marocharitra, Full-time Job and family responsibilities unna vallaki entha time pattochu for preparation (roughly an average of 2-3 hours study time per day) 01/06/2012 - 169.4;05/04/2012 - 175.8; 8/1/2012 - 179 |
   
Marocharitra
Comedian Username: Marocharitra
Post Number: 1003 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 66.241.32.158
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 02:29 pm: |
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Kalikaalam:Rita Mulcahy book prepare avuthunnaanu. Saripothundaa?? Ofcourse, around 1000 questions yevaro ichaaru. avi kudaa prepare avuthanau. leda yedi anna right source of preparation vundaa??
I went with 1. PMBOK and RitaMulcahy for reading... 2. subscribed to http://groups.google.com/group/pmp-cert-online-study-group/t opics (google groups)... nice stuff discussed here.. 3. Take couple of mock exams on PMStudy etc... (once you prepared modeatly) |
   
Rasputin
Hero Username: Rasputin
Post Number: 17307 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 12:07 pm: |
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BTW, SCM ki $800-$1300 range lo money katti 2 days classes attend ayyi, taruvatha 2 or 3 months lopu exam clear cheyyaali. 01/06/2012 - 169.4;05/04/2012 - 175.8; 8/1/2012 - 179 |
   
Rasputin
Hero Username: Rasputin
Post Number: 17306 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 12:06 pm: |
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PMI ACP kantey Scrum Alliance SCM easy path kada. Nenu Scrum Master jobs kosam choosthoo untey, either SCM or PMP+SCM aduguthunaaru most of the places lo. 01/06/2012 - 169.4;05/04/2012 - 175.8; 8/1/2012 - 179 |
   
Rgvrocks
Junior Artist Username: Rgvrocks
Post Number: 201 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 192.223.136.5
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 11:32 am: |
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Nagfanscom:Don't go for PMP.........Go for PMI Agile Certified Practitioner (PMI-ACP) http://www.pmi.org/en/Certification/New-PMI-Agile-Certificat ion.aspx
PMP cert vundali kada ACP cheyyadaniki? |
   
Kalikaalam
Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam
Post Number: 6707 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.161.160.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 10:45 am: |
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Rebel:What's the use of this cert ? already unnavallaki emanna help ayinda ?
Kalikaalam:Full time job lo atleast inni hours ani education cheyyaali ani requirmenet vundi maaku. Adedo tharvaatha use ayyedi chesthe better kadaa ani maatrame chesthunnanu
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Rebel
Side Hero Username: Rebel
Post Number: 9531 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 151.151.16.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 09:55 pm: |
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What's the use of this cert ? already unnavallaki emanna help ayinda ? |
   
Nagfanscom
Comedian Username: Nagfanscom
Post Number: 1277 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 115.241.200.147
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 09:50 pm: |
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Kalikaalam:I applied last week and got e-mail with the message'Your application has been approved'.
Don't go for PMP.........Go for PMI Agile Certified Practitioner (PMI-ACP) http://www.pmi.org/en/Certification/New-PMI-Agile-Certificat ion.aspx |
   
Kalikaalam
Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam
Post Number: 6704 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 76.124.26.72
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 09:25 pm: |
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Rita Mulcahy book prepare avuthunnaanu. Saripothundaa?? Ofcourse, around 1000 questions yevaro ichaaru. avi kudaa prepare avuthanau. leda yedi anna right source of preparation vundaa?? |
   
Thearchitect
Junior Artist Username: Thearchitect
Post Number: 474 Registered: 11-2010 Posted From: 12.96.120.12
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 04:59 pm: |
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As announced by PMI, a new version of the Project Management Professional (PMP®) exam will begin being administered to any and all PMP® credential examinations taken after July 31st, 2013.. http://www.rmcproject.com/about/pmp-examination-changes.aspx |
   
Thearchitect
Junior Artist Username: Thearchitect
Post Number: 473 Registered: 11-2010 Posted From: 12.96.120.12
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 04:55 pm: |
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Pointblank:so exam format/content will change in couple of months...
Actual months unna link unda? |
   
Thearchitect
Junior Artist Username: Thearchitect
Post Number: 472 Registered: 11-2010 Posted From: 12.96.120.12
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 04:49 pm: |
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Kalikaalam:udit raavadanai ki time frame yemi anna vuntundaa??
Wait for few weeks before registration. if you submit experience and register for exam immediately there is 70% change for audit. |
   
Pointblank
Side Hero Username: Pointblank
Post Number: 3362 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 198.241.217.15
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 03:31 pm: |
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I think PMBOK 5 is out... so exam format/content will change in couple of months... PK | PK | PK | Charan | Mahesh | JP | A R Rehman | Jessie |
   
Kingaa_bongaa
Hero Username: Kingaa_bongaa
Post Number: 16953 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.189.128.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 03:29 pm: |
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Rasputin:iee ID vachina enni days lopu exam teesukovaali? is there a deadline?
1 yr Manaki Manam Kingu, Choosevallaki Bongu.
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Rasputin
Hero Username: Rasputin
Post Number: 17305 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.24
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 03:18 pm: |
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iee ID vachina enni days lopu exam teesukovaali? is there a deadline? 01/06/2012 - 169.4;05/04/2012 - 175.8; 8/1/2012 - 179 |
   
Kingaa_bongaa
Hero Username: Kingaa_bongaa
Post Number: 16952 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.189.128.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 02:40 pm: |
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Kalikaalam:PMI eligibilty ID ani okati pampaadu. adenaa??
Thats it. No more Audit for you. Manaki Manam Kingu, Choosevallaki Bongu.
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Jodhaa
Megastar Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 25545 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.174.58.132
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 02:01 pm: |
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Whyme:i have seen some goras (oka tella lady narakam sooinchindi.. find your own butt ante two days spend chesey type) passing PMP and rafing people from then on as if they drank amrutham and einsten entered their body..
yeah vellu koncham OA ekkuva ilaanti certifications ki..mana vallaki routine |
   
Kalikaalam
Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam
Post Number: 6703 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.161.160.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 02:00 pm: |
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Racha:Good luck with the exam.. be well prepared...its a tough onee..
Thanks thammudu.April ending lo raadhamau anukontunna.. Whyme:naaku telisina desi lu evvar ila scene cheyyaled.. i think desis take it as one more degree and a validation of their experience
yep.Full time job lo atleast inni hours ani education cheyyaali ani requirmenet vundi maaku. Adedo tharvaatha use ayyedi chesthe better kadaa ani maatrame chesthunnanau. |
   
Racha
Junior Artist Username: Racha
Post Number: 943 Registered: 06-2011 Posted From: 76.187.78.111
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 01:56 pm: |
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Good luck with the exam.. be well prepared...its a tough onee.. |
   
Whyme
Side Hero Username: Whyme
Post Number: 3738 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 184.39.240.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 01:00 pm: |
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ikkada PMP pass ayina volla gurinchi no comments.. i have seen some goras (oka tella lady narakam sooinchindi.. find your own butt ante two days spend chesey type) passing PMP and rafing people from then on as if they drank amrutham and einsten entered their body... naaku telisina desi lu evvar ila scene cheyyaled.. i think desis take it as one more degree and a validation of their experience |
   
Kalikaalam
Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam
Post Number: 6701 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.161.160.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 12:33 pm: |
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Kingaa_bongaa:Did they send any code to book the exam date?
PMI eligibilty ID ani okati pampaadu. adenaa?? |
   
Kingaa_bongaa
Hero Username: Kingaa_bongaa
Post Number: 16951 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.189.128.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 12:27 pm: |
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Kalikaalam:
Did they send any code to book the exam date? Manaki Manam Kingu, Choosevallaki Bongu.
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Kalikaalam
Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam
Post Number: 6698 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.161.160.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 11:37 am: |
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Gsn1:If you got an email that your application has been approved, there is no more audit. I recently (2 weeks back) got PMP certification. All the best with your effort!
Thanks GSN1 |
   
Gsn1
Comedian Username: Gsn1
Post Number: 1925 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 68.100.135.214
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 11:36 am: |
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Kalikalam, If you got an email that your application has been approved, there is no more audit. I recently (2 weeks back) got PMP certification. All the best with your effort! |
   
Meghan
Junior Artist Username: Meghan
Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2012 Posted From: 163.181.251.103
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 11:27 am: |
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PMP ante endi bhayya à°¤à±à°²à±à°à±à°¦à±à°¶à° పిలà±à°¸à±à°¤à±à°à°¦à°¿, à°°à°¾...à°à°¦à°²à°¿ à°°à°¾..
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Kalikaalam
Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam
Post Number: 6694 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.161.160.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 11:23 am: |
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Maverick:light teesuko..audit undadu padu undadu
Thanks so much. |
   
Maverick
Legend Username: Maverick
Post Number: 42933 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 70.39.176.132
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 11:20 am: |
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babu they need money..light teesuko..audit undadu padu undadu Who is this DB member? |
   
Kalikaalam
Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam
Post Number: 6691 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.161.160.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 11:19 am: |
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Iamim:PMP certificate icchina taravata kooda revoke chese hakku PMI ki undi..
Donga experience yemi pettaledu. QA and SAS lone pettaanu..Kani okka manager kudaa ippudu availability lo ledu audit vasthe paper work fill cheyyadaaniki. |
   
Iamim
Side Hero Username: Iamim
Post Number: 4411 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 117.213.208.255
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 11:14 am: |
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PMP certificate icchina taravata kooda revoke chese hakku PMI ki undi.. but audit is light.. they too need money.. |
   
Kalikaalam
Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam
Post Number: 6689 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 76.124.26.72
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 10:29 am: |
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Maverick:anta scene ledu..rarely vastai audits..if it says approved,its approved
Thanks Mav. dinemma..bedara godathunnaaru ninnati nunchi. "audit vasthundi. niku santhkalau yevadu pedathaadu?" ani.. |
   
Maverick
Legend Username: Maverick
Post Number: 42930 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 70.39.176.132
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 10:25 am: |
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anta scene ledu..rarely vastai audits..if it says approved,its approved Who is this DB member? |
   
Kalikaalam
Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam
Post Number: 6688 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.159.192.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 10:24 am: |
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Anybody got any idea about the audit on PMP application? I applied last week and got e-mail with the message'Your application has been approved'. Ante, audit lenatlenaa?? Inkaa fees kattaledu. "fees kattina tharvaatha kudaa audit vasthundi' antunnaaru.Audit raavadanai ki time frame yemi anna vuntundaa?? leka nenu bayata padinatlenaa?? |