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Anand_n
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Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 09:48 am:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


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:-) I asked cos I have not had these discussions in the last year .. Usually remember interactions fairly well and I did not recall your Id from those discos:-) Steak - I got the ref :-)

True about gene behavior - but social selection is much faster at filtering undesirable genes on humans - social definitions of 'desirable and eligible' mates significantly influence which genes get propagated and the effect can be seen much faster ..but I am not sure if taken across a population it would make a difference or it would be isolated to pockets of society :-)

The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim
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Anand_n:




I was an active ROMmer a few years back, then dropped off and then started writing last year. I used to follow your writings back then....

Inka sirloin steak vishayani kosthe, you told that during a recent question of mine on steaks - well done vs medium rare.

I was out of the country - will catch up with Mandola this week..

I understood your point, but my idea was that society should not dictate the behaviour of the gene...genetic behaviour takes millions of years to evolve..a few hundred years of hardship or privation or excess should not change it so fast or so much..
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Filmbuff:

sirloin steak tho pettina vidya...




- meeku ela telusu - paata id emiti ? :-) BTW - MKBKM chusara - watched it today and loved it :-)


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Unless the latter is also hardwired into the gene because that is what is necessary for the propagation of the gene.




That is what I meant by...


Anand_n:

I mean social selection in a society perpetually under threat for survival would be different from a developed society that is beyond its basic and security need threats




The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim
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Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2013 - 10:31 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ilanti nature vs nurture debates, mana Anand gariki sirloin steak tho pettina vidya...


Anand_n:

if the findings would be different based on the society -




Unlikely, that is where the nurture part comes in. As a gene, i presume, would not know whether it is located in the Silicon Valley or in Ghaziabad. I have read a couple of books on evolution, i have not read anything that states anything like this. I might be wrong though.

There are some values that are held absolute from an evolutionary standpoint like altruism because they are helpful for the propagation and sustenance of the gene, but how greedy or grasping to be would be upto the upbringing. Unless the latter is also hardwired into the gene because that is what is necessary for the propagation of the gene. For instance, a female spider devours it mate because recent research has shown that such cannibalism actually increases the chance of survival of the progeny.
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"genetic factors vs environmental factors"....both are important, but environmental factors are definitely more important in shaping a person's morality.... if genetic factor is the thing that matters most, then identical twins (from the same zygote, meaning they have the same genotype) should behave the same way..which is not true...




True. I am not suggesting one is more important than the other...But it is important to understand both...

Also I think morality may be the wrong term in the context as it is subjective - Altruism is closer in my mind - as it has an evolutionary advantage..

And in the good/bad test scenario described in the article - my first thought was -it may simply be a hardwired instinct to recognize threats and gravitate towards the beneficiaries - not necessarily a cognitive judgement of good / bad ...maybe I am being too skeptical:-)

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Anand_n:

hard-wiring Vs the programming thru nurture


"genetic factors vs environmental factors"....both are important, but environmental factors are definitely more important in shaping a person's morality.... if genetic factor is the thing that matters most, then identical twins (from the same zygote, meaning they have the same genotype) should behave the same way..which is not true...
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Bushu:

does it matter?




It is interesting from a scientific/evolutionary stand point - And more unravelling of the brain , its hard-wiring Vs the programming thru nurture:-)

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Iamim:

occhina buddhi pudakalatho gani podu..




yeah ! just like who wrote ramayana
denmark lo ilantidhi jarigi unte nuvvu help sesthavu ante nenu namma...ye pak/bangla nunchi vacchanu ani seppesi dobbese vadivi...Hater
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Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2013 - 12:49 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Puttukatho occhina buddhi pudakalatho gani podu..
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does it matter?
balupu s/o gelupu
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I believe so ..
India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda
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yes, as per hindu mythology every one will be born according to the karma philosophy
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Stig:




Not very surprised having raised two kids and closely watching their reactions as babies... :-)
But a good article :-)Wonder if the findings would be different based on the society - I mean social selection in a society perpetually under threat for survival would be different from a developed society that is beyond its basic and security need threats:-)

The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim
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Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2013 - 10:56 am:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

New research offers surprising answers to the age-old question of where morality comes from

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Are-Babies-Born -Good-183837741.html

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