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     Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 9746 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
oh i dont think it is about the realization what we can learn, it is more about the existence of truths outside our realm, like a god, not inclusive of ourselves. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 9745 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
idhi konchem light eyyi. a poet creates art, beauty which can only be conceived human mind, and it does not matter to any other species, the beauty of such work ceases to exist. the work by itself exists, but the essence is lost. Einsteins theories while at work outside human realm, cease to exist for other beings, as they cannot comprehend it. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Farmer Side Hero Username: Farmer Post Number: 5761 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 74.63.112.142 Rating: N/A |
yep..i know what he meant...but what is beyond human realization today, may not be, tomorrow......"evolution" ....ding ding | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 9744 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
Tagore did not mean to NOT explore whatever truth humans can perceive, his point is that there can never be absolute truth that exists outside human conception which will matter to them. even if such truth exists humans will never be able to comprehend it. it does not mean that humans should be content with what they perceive today,it only means that outside human realm there can be more possibilities. the absolute truth is only human perception. if you look at the start of transcript, it starts with "Do you believe in the Divine as isolated from the world? " . which means a possibility of truth that exists out side human conception. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Farmer Side Hero Username: Farmer Post Number: 5758 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 74.63.112.142 Rating: N/A |
it's the nature of the human mind to try and realize truth as much as possible, and then pass it on to the next generations,,,so that they are better "equipped" to carry it on further.... people who believe perception is reality have a very simplistic thinking process...i don't necessarily mean it in a good way or a bad way...if anything, it probably makes life easier.... no wonder einstein became a scientist and tagore became a poet | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 9743 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
adhe kadha point.. it doesnt matter if it exists, and to how it exists. you only see what you can ani septhunaar. like the moth can see the paper, but not experience the literature. the layers of truth can be many, and we can only know what we are equipped with. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Farmer Side Hero Username: Farmer Post Number: 5757 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 74.63.112.142 Rating: N/A |
eee disco varakuu, tagore goru..  perception is not reality...truth exists, whether u perceive it or not | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 12700 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: |
Sorry if that was little strong  And it was not just directed at you I was missing the old days where a bunch of us (Vivek, Nisarga, Mental, Iamim , Ibviewer and me) used to have prolonged discussions on these topics..without trying to pigeonhole people and thoughts into "ists" , religious ego hassles , etc. etc.. On the weekend my son was reviewing his emails and he re-read one of my posts I had sent him - and he asked can you send me some more stuff and I said I have not saved anything else and I stopped discussing these topics on the forum. He asked why ? Answer- because the environment changed ...from one of enquiry and exploring ideas with mutual respect to something very different ...Part of the DB evolution I guess - that species of discussions went extinct The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Whyme Side Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 3350 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 184.39.152.180 Rating: N/A |
 edo chadivina tarvatha.. okalla statement ki inkolla statement beriju esukontu elthunte ala anipinchindi sis anthey.. valla havabhavalu choodaledu kada a text choosthey chala direct ga to the point laga vundi anthey.. valla depth ni capabilities ni kindal chesey scene naakedundi :-) | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 12699 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
I am not sure of the relevance of your post to this thread but there are some logical inconsistencies in the post
Humans did too, till the discovery of medicine - but at a higher mortality rate than they do now - do we know the mortality rate of the other species ? Why are some of them going extinct due to man made conditions ?
This does not happen in a single life span - it is natural selection at work among other things..
And that can be read as lack of foresight for the sustenance of the species , lack of analytical thought and proactive action to maximize survival rate too - do you disagree? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 12698 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Since you are so confident of their relative position - how and on what scale are you guaging where they stand ?
Why is it so difficult to read a conversation/debate without trying to attribute one-upmanship or ego to a debate/discussion ? Why is it so difficult to believe that two people can have differing viewpoints and share them in a non-competitive mindset in an effort to understand and validate? Why is it so important to believe every question to one's belief is a challenge to their whole being ? Answer these first to yourself and maybe it will reveal something about the limitations in our perceptions "what we see in others - exists in us"The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 5782 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.61.12.115 Rating: N/A |
but you can bring sachin and show him what java is. can you show God to an atheist. emaina septharayya meeru.  balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 9726 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
yeti thread ila change ayyindhi. google lo unde matter yeda ninsi vasthundhi  the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Triggerblaster Side Hero Username: Triggerblaster Post Number: 2705 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 140.98.210.243 Rating: N/A |
The person who tries to explain do not have enough knowledge, the person who has enough knowledge do not have enough time to explain. | ||
| Nagfanscom Comedian Username: Nagfanscom Post Number: 1255 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 14.140.149.65 Rating: N/A |
It's completely wrong. Can we fly without any aids? Can we swim under the sea without oxygen? Humans learnt alot from those species and mocking in the name of invention. All those species are existing, surviving, reproducing in natural process without any Doctors, medicines, vaccinations, operations, hospitals. Moreover they are getting immune to pesticides, insecticides and other viruses. And they are better in leading independent life. No spoon feeding to their and no asset making for their offspring. For Sachin Tendulkar (most famous living sport legend on earth) , Java doesn't matter and that doesn't mean Java is non existent. Similarly as long as PERSON is not interested in God or doesn't matter about GOD, that doesn't mean GOD is non existent. | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 3518 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.174.44.72 Rating: N/A |
its not similar.... akkada species other than humans ki... (atleast species on earth ki) they dont have ability to think analyze and understand... hence you may not be able to explain to them.... but thats not the case with an atheist.... he can analyze and understand.... soo one 'can' convince him.... I'm not saying I can.... anyway.... if you were referring to Einstein as atheist.... he's a self proclaimed agnostic..... kinda Anand gaaru link ichaaru choodandi.... Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 3517 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.174.44.72 Rating: N/A |
oops I thought you used 'doosras and teesras' in a different sense.... sorry Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Nagfanscom Comedian Username: Nagfanscom Post Number: 1254 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 14.140.149.65 Rating: N/A |
Millions of Species other than Human are not AWARE of GOD, SCIENCE, MATHS.....for that matter any subject which is not feeding or threatening their life. So MAJORITY of the SPECIES ARE NOT AWARE or IGNORANT of this GOD, SCIENCE, MATHS THEORIES. And in spite of this they are still powerful when it comes to NATURAL ABILITIES. And they are not into Corruption and Asset Making. And No Einstein or Tagore can explain the above theories to those Species. Similarly no one can explain the GOD matter to an Atheist and it is useless. -3nMAR theory | ||
| Whyme Side Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 3318 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 184.39.152.180 Rating: N/A |
good conversation.. no doubt.. naa metta brain ki oka scientist oka philosopher takkar annattu anipinchindi anthe.. just my opinion | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 3516 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.174.44.72 Rating: N/A |
doosras and teesras emundi mastaaru... atleast tagore was stead fast in what he was telling... beauty lies in the eyes of beholder ni truth ki koodaa apply avuthundi ani suuper cheppadu.... you may agree or not... but thats a very good conversation Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Nagfanscom Comedian Username: Nagfanscom Post Number: 1253 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 14.140.149.65 Rating: N/A |
EXACTLY......... | ||
| Whyme Side Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 3309 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 184.39.152.180 Rating: N/A |
good conversation for people reading it.. but i think each of them tried to bowl googlies, doosras and teesras to the other | ||
| Nagfanscom Comedian Username: Nagfanscom Post Number: 1252 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 14.140.149.65 Rating: N/A |
Summary: As both of them are not aware of Google's 'SEARCH ENGINE' by that time, they think themselves as the ONLY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE LIVING ON EARTH IN SEARCH OF GOD................Today for us there is no need to break our heads........just SEARCH FOR GOD in GOOGLE. -3nMAR | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 3483 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.174.44.72 Rating: N/A |
excellent conversation... if true that is...... and as you said... the more the number of times we read, the more we (atleast I) get the clarity on what they are saying.... thank you for sharing Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 12697 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Someone had asked about the movie Chitralekha - where they can see it ...It is actually playing on B4u this morning A philosophical gem on morality and salvation The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 12694 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31 Rating: N/A |
Read this when you can and you may interpret the conversation differently too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Albert_Einst ein The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Whyme Side Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 3287 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 184.39.152.180 Rating: N/A |
good reasoning to say tagore >> einstein on a lighter note idi bengali vollaka chepthey.. meeku veerthadu esi matsya kanya mental mamta banarjee ki ichi pelli chesi bangladesh katnam ga istharu | ||
| Triggerblaster Side Hero Username: Triggerblaster Post Number: 2704 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.168.223.218 Rating: N/A |
EINSTEIN is intelligent(?), intelligence is a perspective, if a normal human takes time to understand what an other person says, the former considers the later as intelligent. If the former do not understand or tries to avoid the later he would not have any opinion or consider the later crazy. We are normal humans EINSTEIN is in between Tagore is a step ahead, Yogis dont have times for inventions (TO prove to other people) because the concentrate more on realizations. Watch this ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWttCv0p6WQ | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 12693 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
HAve to run - and this will take a long time - but maybe later The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Saint Hero Username: Saint Post Number: 11864 Registered: 01-2011 Posted From: 65.248.129.125 Rating: N/A |
naaku kooda ardham ayyindoch  | ||
| Telugu_times Moderator Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 35445 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
Neeku Venkatesh, Mahesh babu cinemaanay ardham kaaledhu. Einstein, Tagore avasaramaa?  | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 2835 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 162.134.72.6 Rating: N/A |
I think what said could give that sense because I did not say it completely. Usually in DB, its different, you know. So I was comparing to that. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 12692 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Ok - I apologise for jumping the gun The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 2834 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 162.134.72.6 Rating: N/A |
I know this. But following this 24x7 is not fun. I need variety to keep fun. | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 2833 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 162.134.72.6 Rating: N/A |
I was giving you a complement :-). It was not sarcastic. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 12691 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
 And this is your idea of a non-judgemental comment??? I remembered a line from my FB status What we see in others- exists in us Give that some thoughtThe foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 2830 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 162.134.72.6 Rating: N/A |
Finally some non-judgemental opinion sharing for a change :-) Glad to see this. What is your interpreation? | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 2829 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 162.134.72.6 Rating: N/A |
I think this is more of either Einstein giving example to elaborate on what Tagore said OR its a question missing question mark. See immediate response from Tagore. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 12688 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
"EINSTEIN: If there would be no human beings any more, the Apollo of Belvedere would no longer be beautiful. TAGORE: No. EINSTEIN: I agree with regard to this conception of Beauty, but not with regard to Truth. TAGORE: Why not? Truth is realized through man. "
Your interpretation is very very far from mine - but to each their interpretation
Vallaki anta avasaram undi antara ?The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 12687 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.137.119.42 Rating: N/A |
Makes sense - I read that wrong The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 2825 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 162.134.72.6 Rating: N/A |
TAGORE said What we call truth lies in the rational harmony between the subjective and objective aspects of reality, both of which belong to the super-personal man. The objective reality can be experienced only subjectively. If we do not exist, there is no experience. The experience is the Truth. Objective reality is the Super-Human Being. In the above sense, Einstein's quest is for Objective reality through objective (or How to find Truth using objective means) means. That is where Tagore is saying, subjectiveness is the only means to experince the Objective reality. | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 5735 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.61.12.115 Rating: N/A |
and I am saying this thinking comes from an evolutionary standpoint. nature existed before we came here and will exist after we leave. and so the truths shall remain. whether we discover them or not is immaterial. not just what einstein says, but why is also important. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Chillarodu Side Hero Username: Chillarodu Post Number: 2616 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 173.162.149.129 Rating: N/A |
Mental gaaru.. expecting aa? A diamond with a flaw is better than a common stone that is perfect. | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 11163 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.243.54 Rating: N/A |
I think Tagore had the concept of Advaita in his mind .. between .. how are Einstein and Tagore defining "Truth"? Is there a coherence? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 2824 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 162.134.72.6 Rating: N/A |
Yes not directly, but it leads to that in a scientific sense.
Einstein is just probing Tagore but did not say it exists outside human realm. I think "I am more religious than you are" is the stupid part of Einstein's discussion. Tagore explained to him what science is in the context of Super-human world and being a scientist with accomplishments as compared to Tagore, he felt he was more religious. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 12686 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
A little off - Einstein did not refute the power of thought - read the example of Pythagorean Theorem - he is coming from the angle that there are laws of nature that are true irrespective of human definition or understanding The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 12685 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Einstein's question is not of measurability - but if Truth exists independent of the Human existence... If all humanity and human ability to discern Truth vanished tomorrow - would Truth itself still exist ? Does the observed have an existence outside the observer's consciousness? Tagore says no , Einstein says yes
Ayina meeku ippudu ivvi enduku ? Very wrong timing  The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 5730 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.61.12.115 Rating: N/A |
dont think that's the issue. for einstein, truth exists irrespective of human existence. this is classic western thinking. tagore says there's no ultimate truth if there's no human - because the concept of truth is defined by us. tagore is clearly thinking of the human thought as the highest epitome of civilization. oka evolutionary scientist ki ee concept antha easy gaa ekkadhu. anthey godava akkada. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Whyme Side Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 3274 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 184.39.152.180 Rating: N/A |
but again medhavulu valla valla route lo ne elthar kada | ||
| Whyme Side Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 3273 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 184.39.152.180 Rating: N/A |
good disco.. kaani iddaru one-upmanship posturing chesinatlu anipisthondi konchem | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 9718 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
yes, this little excerpt is worth saving anipinchi save chesaanu.
two great minds.. vaala maatalu ardham chesukoni, vaalla perspective theluskovatam minchi.. extra avasaram ledhu anukuntunna. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 2819 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 162.134.72.6 Rating: N/A |
Einstein is ask as a scientist. In science, you observer something outside your thought, measure it, and make formulas. So Einstein is trying to find out why God or Truth cannot be measured like measuring a table size, or mixing chemicals and seeing the result. Tagore is saying that God or Truth cannot be measured because it is part of us and it can be realized only by experience. Everyone may progress to that experience differently but everyone's experience in the end will be same. | ||
| Diviseema Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 13180 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 14.99.200.141 Rating: N/A |
single vesinollu nenu thappu ga ardham chesukunte correct seyyandi. Oka Jagan Fan http://i.imgur.com/w4y3c.jpg | ||
| Diviseema Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 13178 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 14.99.200.141 Rating: |
All creatures are born from a combination of matter and spirit. Brahm is the origin as well as the supÂport of the entire universe. There is nothing higher than Brahm. Everything in the universe is sustained by Brahm as jewels in the necklace are supported by the thread. Brahm is present in all creatures and supports them. baaga ardham avvalante edhi chadavandi. tagore understandings are from geetha anukuntunna. Oka Jagan Fan http://i.imgur.com/w4y3c.jpg | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 12684 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Uchitha salaha - if you are serious about understanding sdomething - do it without getting into who's better , who's right- because that in itself puts a filter on what you absorb and assimiliate -especially on philosophy topics The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 4360 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 117.195.180.121 Rating: N/A |
fine bro.. thanks! | ||
| Ballasticmissile Side Hero Username: Ballasticmissile Post Number: 3068 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 125.99.197.136 Rating: N/A |
 eienstein kante taghore chala depth ga cheppadu we indians  i am leading a pious life so far so good  | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 12683 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
I have read this a few times too - but some things bear rvisiting many times so thanks for posting The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 9713 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
interesting site. naaku url work kaaka pothe, main site ki poyi last name tho search chesa.. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Airliner Comedian Username: Airliner Post Number: 1405 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 136.223.19.96 Rating: N/A |
feel good ya.. nakokkadike artham kaledemo ani kangaru padda Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people. | ||
| Truelies Side Hero Username: Truelies Post Number: 5948 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 74.237.6.152 Rating: N/A |
i don't know where tagore & einstein met...but Tagore visited US twice...once in 1912 and second in 1920 for fund rising for his santiniketan. URL motham copy&paste chesukoni try cheyyandi. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 9712 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
url work kaaledhu bro.. and naaku ardham kaaledhu relation? Einstein and Tagore met in berlin i think. not in the US the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Truelies Side Hero Username: Truelies Post Number: 5946 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 74.237.6.152 Rating: N/A |
ellis island website lo mathram tagore garu 1920 lo US ki vachinappati record dorikindi.. http://www.ellisisland.org/cgi-bin/tif2gif.exe?T=\192.168.100.11\images\t715-2866\t715-28661050.tif&S=.5 Line # 20 tagore anta..  | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 9709 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
it can take time, every re read makes it a better read. in the end its not too complicated either. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Truelies Side Hero Username: Truelies Post Number: 5944 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 74.237.6.152 Rating: N/A |
same to same.. omaactk | ||
| Rowdy Megastar Username: Rowdy Post Number: 22897 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 24.84.124.158 Rating: N/A |
o.m.a.b.c.k | ||
| Zulu Hero Username: Zulu Post Number: 15717 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 199.168.243.252 Rating: N/A |
okka mukka artham aithey cheppu thesukuni kottu | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 3836 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 192.76.80.75 Rating: N/A |
double superIn history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| The_illusionist Side Hero Username: The_illusionist Post Number: 2576 Registered: 10-2012 Posted From: 106.51.134.244 Rating: N/A |
 okka mukka ardham kaala | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 9707 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
yes, I was a little surprised!! Howdy bro, its been long time. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 4359 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 117.195.180.121 Rating: N/A |
Einstein thoughts simple ga unnai.. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 9706 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
more than likely, this is the source http://www.amazon.com/dp/0415481341/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=bra ipick-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=0415481 341&adid=1DBEAX95B1WQKZDNQTD4 the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
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EINSTEIN: Do you believe in the Divine as isolated from the world? TAGORE: Not isolated. The infinite personality of Man comprehends the Universe. There cannot be anything that cannot be subsumed by the human personality, and this proves that the Truth of the Universe is human Truth. I have taken a scientific fact to explain this — Matter is composed of protons and electrons, with gaps between them; but matter may seem to be solid. Similarly humanity is composed of individuals, yet they have their interconnection of human relationship, which gives living unity to man’s world. The entire universe is linked up with us in a similar manner, it is a human universe. I have pursued this thought through art, literature and the religious consciousness of man. EINSTEIN: There are two different conceptions about the nature of the universe: (1) The world as a unity dependent on humanity. (2) The world as a reality independent of the human factor. TAGORE: When our universe is in harmony with Man, the eternal, we know it as Truth, we feel it as beauty. EINSTEIN: This is the purely human conception of the universe. TAGORE: There can be no other conception. This world is a human world — the scientific view of it is also that of the scientific man. There is some standard of reason and enjoyment which gives it Truth, the standard of the Eternal Man whose experiences are through our experiences. EINSTEIN: This is a realization of the human entity. TAGORE: Yes, one eternal entity. We have to realize it through our emotions and activities. We realized the Supreme Man who has no individual limitations through our limitations. Science is concerned with that which is not confined to individuals; it is the impersonal human world of Truths. Religion realizes these Truths and links them up with our deeper needs; our individual consciousness of Truth gains universal significance. Religion applies values to Truth, and we know this Truth as good through our own harmony with it. EINSTEIN: Truth, then, or Beauty is not independent of Man? TAGORE: No. EINSTEIN: If there would be no human beings any more, the Apollo of Belvedere would no longer be beautiful. TAGORE: No. EINSTEIN: I agree with regard to this conception of Beauty, but not with regard to Truth. TAGORE: Why not? Truth is realized through man. EINSTEIN: I cannot prove that my conception is right, but that is my religion. TAGORE: Beauty is in the ideal of perfect harmony which is in the Universal Being; Truth the perfect comprehension of the Universal Mind. We individuals approach it through our own mistakes and blunders, through our accumulated experiences, through our illumined consciousness — how, otherwise, can we know Truth? EINSTEIN: I cannot prove scientifically that Truth must be conceived as a Truth that is valid independent of humanity; but I believe it firmly. I believe, for instance, that the Pythagorean theorem in geometry states something that is approximately true, independent of the existence of man. Anyway, if there is a reality independent of man, there is also a Truth relative to this reality; and in the same way the negation of the first engenders a negation of the existence of the latter. TAGORE: Truth, which is one with the Universal Being, must essentially be human, otherwise whatever we individuals realize as true can never be called truth – at least the Truth which is described as scientific and which only can be reached through the process of logic, in other words, by an organ of thoughts which is human. According to Indian Philosophy there is Brahman, the absolute Truth, which cannot be conceived by the isolation of the individual mind or described by words but can only be realized by completely merging the individual in its infinity. But such a Truth cannot belong to Science. The nature of Truth which we are discussing is an appearance – that is to say, what appears to be true to the human mind and therefore is human, and may be called maya or illusion. EINSTEIN: So according to your conception, which may be the Indian conception, it is not the illusion of the individual, but of humanity as a whole. TAGORE: The species also belongs to a unity, to humanity. Therefore the entire human mind realizes Truth; the Indian or the European mind meet in a common realization. EINSTEIN: The word species is used in German for all human beings, as a matter of fact, even the apes and the frogs would belong to it. TAGORE: In science we go through the discipline of eliminating the personal limitations of our individual minds and thus reach that comprehension of Truth which is in the mind of the Universal Man. EINSTEIN: The problem begins whether Truth is independent of our consciousness. TAGORE: What we call truth lies in the rational harmony between the subjective and objective aspects of reality, both of which belong to the super-personal man. EINSTEIN: Even in our everyday life we feel compelled to ascribe a reality independent of man to the objects we use. We do this to connect the experiences of our senses in a reasonable way. For instance, if nobody is in this house, yet that table remains where it is. TAGORE: Yes, it remains outside the individual mind, but not the universal mind. The table which I perceive is perceptible by the same kind of consciousness which I possess. EINSTEIN: If nobody would be in the house the table would exist all the same — but this is already illegitimate from your point of view — because we cannot explain what it means that the table is there, independently of us. Our natural point of view in regard to the existence of truth apart from humanity cannot be explained or proved, but it is a belief which nobody can lack — no primitive beings even. We attribute to Truth a super-human objectivity; it is indispensable for us, this reality which is independent of our existence and our experience and our mind — though we cannot say what it means. TAGORE: Science has proved that the table as a solid object is an appearance and therefore that which the human mind perceives as a table would not exist if that mind were naught. At the same time it must be admitted that the fact, that the ultimate physical reality is nothing but a multitude of separate revolving centres of electric force, also belongs to the human mind. In the apprehension of Truth there is an eternal conflict between the universal human mind and the same mind confined in the individual. The perpetual process of reconciliation is being carried on in our science, philosophy, in our ethics. In any case, if there be any Truth absolutely unrelated to humanity then for us it is absolutely non-existing. It is not difficult to imagine a mind to which the sequence of things happens not in space but only in time like the sequence of notes in music. For such a mind such conception of reality is akin to the musical reality in which Pythagorean geometry can have no meaning. There is the reality of paper, infinitely different from the reality of literature. For the kind of mind possessed by the moth which eats that paper literature is absolutely non-existent, yet for Man’s mind literature has a greater value of Truth than the paper itself. In a similar manner if there be some Truth which has no sensuous or rational relation to the human mind, it will ever remain as nothing so long as we remain human beings. EINSTEIN: Then I am more religious than you are! TAGORE: My religion is in the reconciliation of the Super-personal Man, the universal human spirit, in my own individual being. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
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I was going through my collection of articles, that I saved over time. I have saved a conversation piece between Einstein and Tagore, which i find very stimulating, i have read it atleast a 100 times, and it never gets old for me. I usually keep track of source of articles, but i missed on this one. I sincerely hope this is a genuine transcript. Just putting it here, for old times sake!! the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
