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     Teluguhero Junior Artist Username: Teluguhero Post Number: 53 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 24.129.108.25 Rating: N/A |
"Whats your take on AMT(Aryan migration theory)" thsi is good site. http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/vedic-upanisa ds/aryan-invasion.html The Birth of a Misconception Interest in the field of Indology during the 19th Century was of mixed motivations. Many scholars such as August Wilhelm von Schlegal, Hern Wilhelm von Humboldt, and Arthur Schopenhauer lauded praise upon the Vedic literatures and their profound wisdom, others were less than impressed. To accept that there was an advanced civilization outside the boundaries of Europe, at a time before the Patriarchs Abraham and Moses had made their covenant with the Almighty was impossible to conceive of for most European scholars, who harbored a strong Christian tendency. Most scholars of this period were neither archeologists nor historians in the strict sense of the word. Rather, they were missionaries paid by their governments to establish western cultural and racial superiority over the subjugated Indian citizens, through their study of the indigenous religious texts. Consequently, for racial, political and religious reasons, early European indologists created a myth that still survives to this day. It was established by linguists that Sanskrit, Iranian and European languages all belonged to the same family, categorizing them as ‘Indo-European’ languages. It was assumed that all these people originated from one homeland where they spoke a common language (which they called ‘Proto-Indo-European’ or PIE) which later developed into Sanskrit, Latin, Greek etc. They then needed to ascertain where this homeland was. By pure speculation, it was proposed that this homeland was either southeast Europe or Central Asia. | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 531 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
Its not yet proved that AIT is wrong. There are only anti and pro theories. Whats your take on AMT(Aryan migration theory) | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 530 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
its not proved. its still a theory. How about AMT(Aryan migration theory), whats ur take on that. | ||
| Teluguhero Junior Artist Username: Teluguhero Post Number: 51 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 24.129.108.25 Rating: N/A |
""ituvanti manufactured articles untaayile. RSS people are first at manufacturing these articles. inka aryan lickers undane unnaru" Its not about RSS people.Aryan invasion theory proved wrong based on evidence. | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 529 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 209.172.101.244 Rating: N/A |
yenkammaga, ara sunna atetidi okati unnadi ani telvada? Telungu is the correct name. | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 528 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
my mother tongue Telungu is a dravidian language which has no roots in sanskrit. I am dravidian. My ancestors were the architects of harappan civilisation. Even today dravidian speaking tribes exist in pakistan, rajastan, bihar, nepal, assam. | ||
| Savage Comedian Username: Savage Post Number: 1697 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 148.129.71.53 Rating: N/A |
vaarni adi sangati..tappu DB lo vachesav tamudu idi telugu DB  | ||
| Basky_indya Side Hero Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 4722 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 144.226.230.37 Rating: N/A |
endi vayya mee andari golaaa all india Utter Flop Hero Fans UUUUth President | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Junior Artist Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 754 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
Kaadehe only sambar Gulti Ekkado munigi ikkada tela | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 527 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 209.172.101.244 Rating: N/A |
Telungu | ||
| Nemo Junior Artist Username: Nemo Post Number: 698 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 148.168.40.4 Rating: N/A |
>>my mother tongue is a dravidian language which has no roots in sanskrit. whats your mother tongue ? | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 526 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
my mother tongue is a dravidian language which has no roots in sanskrit. I am dravidian. | ||
| Savage Comedian Username: Savage Post Number: 1696 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 148.129.71.53 Rating: N/A |
nuvvu Dravidian licker va? | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 525 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
matter mari peddhaga unte link post cheyyi chaalu. ituvanti manufactured articles untaayile. RSS people are first at manufacturing these articles. inka aryan lickers undane unnaru. | ||
| Goonda Hero Username: Goonda Post Number: 10335 Registered: 02-2007 Posted From: 146.18.173.72 Rating: N/A |
naaku neela favourtism ledu..nimishanikosari bhayya..dravidain ani post estav? why dont you go back to india and change your name to Sopathi Dravadian like M Krishna Madiga and do the needful | ||
| Teluguhero Junior Artist Username: Teluguhero Post Number: 49 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 24.129.108.25 Rating: N/A |
"I can post a lot of anti-articles which support aryan migration/invasion." Solid Evidence Debunking Aryan Invasion http://www.stephen-knapp.com/solid_evidence_debunking_aryan_ invasion.htm “Solid Evidence Debunking Aryan Invasion†by David Frawley One of the main ideas used to interpret - and generally devalue - the ancient history of India is the theory of the Aryan invasion. According to this account, India was invaded and conquered by nomadic light-skinned Indo-European tribes from Central Asia around 1500-100 BC, who overthrew an earlier and more advanced dark-skinned Dravidian civilization from which they took most of what later became Hindu culture. This so-called pre-Aryan civilization is said to be evidenced by the large urban ruins of what has been called the "Indus valley culture" (as most of its initial sites were on the Indus river). The war between the powers of light and darkness, a prevalent idea in ancient Aryan Vedic scriptures, was thus interpreted to refer to this war between light and dark- skinned peoples. The Aryan invasion theory thus turned the "Vedas", the original scriptures of ancient India and the Indo-Aryans, into little more than primitive poems of uncivilized plunderers. This idea - totally foreign to the history of India, whether north or south - has become almost an unquestioned truth in the interpretation of ancient history. Today, after nearly all the reasons for its supposed validity have been refuted, even major Western scholars are at last beginning to call it in question. In this article we will summarize the main points that have arisen. This is a complex subject that I have dealt with in depth in my book "Gods, Sages and Kings: Vedic Secrets of Ancient Civilization", for those interested in further examination of the subject. The Indus valley culture was pronounced pre-Aryans for several reasons that were largely part of the cultural milieu of nineteenth century European thinking. As scholars following Max Muller had decided that the Aryans came into India around 1500 BC, since the Indus valley culture was earlier than this, they concluded that it had to be pre-Aryan. Yet the rationale behind the late date for the Vedic culture given by Muller was totally speculative. Max Muller, like many of the Christian scholars of his era, believed in Biblical chronology. This placed the beginning of the world at 400 BC and the flood around 2500 BC. Assuming to those two dates, it became difficult to get the Aryans in India before 1500 BC. Muller therefore assumed that the five layers of the four 'Vedas' & 'Upanishads' were each composed in 200 year periods before the Buddha at 500 BC. However, there are more changes of language in Vedic Sanskrit itself than there are in classical Sanskrit since Panini, also regarded as a figure of around 500 BC, or a period of 2500 years ago. Hence it is clear that each of these periods could have existed for any number of centuries and that the 200 year figure is totally arbitrary and is likely too short a figure. It was assumed by these scholars - many of whom were also Christian missionaries unsympathetic to the 'Vedas' - that the Vedic culture was that of primitive nomads from Central Asia. Hence they could not have founded any urban culture like that of the Indus valley. The only basis for this was a rather questionable interpretation of the 'Rig Veda' that they made, ignoring the sophisticated nature of the culture presented within it. Meanwhile, it was also pointed out that in the middle of the second millennium BC, a number of Indo-European invasions apparently occurred in the Middle East, wherein Indo-European peoples - the Hittites, Mittani and Kassites - conquered and ruled Mesopotamia for some centuries. An Aryan invasion of India would have been another version of this same movement of Indo-European peoples. On top of this, excavators of the Indus valley culture, like Wheeler, thought they found evidence of destruction of the culture by an outside invasion confirming this. The Vedic culture was thus said to be that of primitive nomads who came out of Central Asia with their horse-drawn chariots and iron weapons and overthrew the cities of the more advanced Indus valley culture, with their superior battle tactics. It was pointed out that no horses, chariots or iron was discovered in Indus valley sites. This was how the Aryan invasion theory formed and has remained since then. Though little has been discovered that confirms this theory, there has been much hesitancy to question it, much less to give it up. Further excavations discovered horses not only in Indus Valley sites but also in pre-Indus sites. The use of the horse has thus been proven for the whole range of ancient Indian history. Evidence of the wheel, and an Indus seal showing a spoked wheel as used in chariots, has also been found, suggesting the usage of chariots. Moreover, the whole idea of nomads with chariots has been challenged. Chariots are not the vehicles of nomads. Their usage occured only in ancient urban cultures with much flat land, of which the river plain of north India was the most suitable. Chariots are totally unsuitable for crossing mountains and deserts, as the so-called Aryan invasion required. That the Vedic culture used iron - & must hence date later than the introduction of iron around 1500 BC - revolves around the meaning of the Vedic term "ayas", interpreted as iron. 'Ayas' in other Indo-European languages like Latin or German usually means copper, bronze or ore generally, not specially iron. There is no reason to insist that in such earlier Vedic times, 'ayas' meant iron, particularly since other metals are not mentioned in the 'Rig Veda' (except gold that is much more commonly referred to than ayas). Moreover, the 'Atharva Veda' and 'Yajur Veda' speak of different colors of 'ayas'(such as red & black), showing that it was a generic term. Hence it is clear that 'ayas' generally meant metal and not specifically iron. Moreover, the enemies of the Vedic people in the 'Rig Veda' also use ayas, even for making their cities, as do the Vedic people themselves. Hence there is nothing in Vedic literature to show that either the Vedic culture was an iron-based culture or that there enemies were not. The 'Rig Veda' describes its Gods as 'destroyers of cities'. This was used also to regard the Vedic as a primitive non-urban culture that destroys cities and urban civilization. However, there are also many verses in the 'Rig Veda' that speak of the Aryans as having cities of their own and being protected by cities up to a hundred in number. Aryan Gods like Indra, Agni, Saraswati and the Adityas are praised as being like a city. Many ancient kings, including those of Egypt and Mesopotamia, had titles like destroyer or conqueror of cities. This does not turn them into nomads. Destruction of cities also happens in modern wars; this does not make those who do this nomads. Hence the idea of Vedic culture as destroying but not building the cities is based upon ignoring what the Vedas actually say about their own cities. Further excavation revealed that the Indus Valley culture was not destroyed by outside invasion, but according to internal causes and, most likely, floods. Most recently a new set of cities has been found in India (like the Dwaraka and Bet Dwaraka sites by S.R. Rao and the National Institute of Oceanography in India) which are intermediate between those of the Indus culture and later ancient India as visited by the Greeks. This may eliminate the so-called dark age following the presumed Aryan invasion and shows a continuous urban occupation in India back to the beginning of the Indus culture. The interpretation of the religion of the Indus Valley culture - made incidentally by scholars such as Wheeler who were not religious scholars much less students of Hinduism - was that its religion was different than the Vedic and more likely the later Shaivite religion. However, further excavations - both in Indus Valley site in Gujarat, like Lothal, and those in Rajsthan, like Kalibangan - show large number of fire altars like those used in the Vedic religion, along with bones of oxen, potsherds, shell jewelry and other items used in the rituals described in the 'Vedic Brahmanas'. Hence the Indus Valley culture evidences many Vedic practices that can not be merely coincidental. That some of its practices appeared non-Vedic to its excavators may also be attributed to their misunderstanding or lack of knowledge of Vedic and Hindu culture generally, wherein Vedism and Shaivism are the same basic tradition. We must remember that ruins do not necessarily have one interpretation. Nor does the ability to discover ruins necessarily give the ability to interpret them correctly. The Vedic people were thought to have been a fair-skinned race like the Europeans owing to the Vedic idea of a war between light and darkness, and the Vedic people being presented as children of light or children of the sun. Yet this idea of a war between light and darkness exists in most ancient cultures, including the Persian and the Egyptian. Why don't we interpret their scriptures as a war between light and dark-skinned people? It is purely a poetic metaphor, not a cultural statement. Moreover, no real traces of such a race are found in India. Anthropologists have observed that the present population of Gujarat is composed of more or less the same ethnic groups as are noticed at Lothal in 2000 BC. Similarly, the present population of the Punjab is said to be ethnically the same as the population of Harappa and Rupar 4000 years ago. Linguistically the present day population of Gujarat and Punjab belongs to the Indo-Aryan language speaking group. The only inference that can be drawn from the anthropological and linguistic evidences adduced above is that the Harappan population in the Indus Valley and Gujarat in 2000 BC was composed of two or more groups, the more dominant among them having very close ethnic affinities with the present day Indo-Aryan speaking population of India. In other words there is no racial evidence of any such Indo-Aryan invasion of India but only of a continuity of the same group of people who traditionally considered themselves to be Aryans. There are many points in fact that prove the Vedic nature of the Indus Valley culture. Further excavation has shown that the great majority of the sites of the Indus Valley culture were east, not west of Indus. In fact, the largest concentration of sites appears in an area of Punjab and Rajasthan near the dry banks of ancient Saraswati and Drishadvati rivers. The Vedic culture was said to have been founded by the sage Manu between the banks of Saraswati and Drishadvati rivers. The Saraswati is lauded as the main river (naditama) in the 'Rig Veda' and is the most frequently mentioned in the text. It is said to be a great flood and to be wide, even endless in size. Saraswati is said to be "pure in course from the mountains to the sea". Hence the Vedic people were well acquainted with this river and regarded it as their immemorial homeland. The Saraswati, as modern land studies now reveal, was indeed one of the largest, if not the largest river in India. In early ancient and pre-historic times, it once drained the Sutlej, Yamuna and the Ganges, whose courses were much different than they are today. However, the Saraswati river went dry at the end of the Indus Valley culture and before the so-called Aryan invasion or before 1500 BC. In fact, this may have caused the ending of the Indus culture. How could the Vedic Aryans know of this river and establish their culture on its banks if it dried up before they arrived? Indeed the Saraswati as described in the 'Rig Veda' appears to more accurately show it as it was prior to the Indus Valley culture as in the Indus era it was already in decline. Vedic and late Vedic texts also contain interesting astronomical lore. The Vedic calender was based upon astronomical sightings of the equinoxes and solstices. Such texts as 'Vedanga Jyotish' speak of a time when the vernal equinox was in the middle of the Nakshtra Aslesha (or about 23 degrees 20 minutes Cancer). This gives a date of 1300 BC. The 'Yajur Veda' and 'Atharva Veda' speak of the vernal equinox in the Krittikas (Pleiades; early Taurus) and the summer solstice (ayana) in Magha (early Leo). This gives a date about 2400 BC. Yet earlier eras are mentioned but these two have numerous references to substantiate them. They prove that the Vedic culture existed at these periods and already had a sophisticated system of astronomy. Such references were merely ignored or pronounced unintelligible by Western scholars because they yielded too early a date for the 'Vedas' than what they presumed, not because such references did not exist. Vedic texts like 'Shatapatha Brahmana' and 'Aitereya Brahmana' that mention these astronomical references list a group of 11 Vedic Kings, including a number of figures of the 'Rig Veda', said to have conquered the region of India from 'sea to sea'. Lands of the Aryans are mentioned in them from Gandhara (Afganistan) in the west to Videha (Nepal) in the east, and south to Vidarbha (Maharashtra). Hence the Vedic people were in these regions by the Krittika equinox or before 2400 BC. These passages were also ignored by Western scholars and it was said by them that the 'Vedas' had no evidence of large empires in India in Vedic times. Hence a pattern of ignoring literary evidence or misinterpreting them to suit the Aryan invasion idea became prevalent, even to the point of changing the meaning of Vedic words to suit this theory. According to this theory, the Vedic people were nomads in the Punjab, coming down from Central Asia. However, the 'Rig Veda' itself has nearly 100 references to ocean (samudra), as well as dozens of references to ships, and to rivers flowing in to the sea. Vedic ancestors like Manu, Turvasha, Yadu and Bhujyu are flood figures, saved from across the sea. The Vedic God of the sea, Varuna, is the father of many Vedic seers and seer families like Vasishta, Agastya and the Bhrigu seers. To preserve the Aryan invasion idea it was assumed that the Vedic (and later Sanskrit) term for ocean, samudra, originally did not mean the ocean but any large body of water, especially the Indus river in Punjab. Here the clear meaning of a term in 'Rig Veda' and later times - verified by rivers like Saraswati mentioned by name as flowing into the sea - was altered to make the Aryan invasion theory fit. Yet if we look at the index to translation of the 'Rig Veda' by Griffith for example, who held to this idea that samudra didn't really mean the ocean, we find over 70 references to ocean or sea. If samudra does not mean ocean, why was it translated as such? It is therefore without basis to locate Vedic kings in Central Asia far from any ocean or from the massive Saraswati river, which form the background of their land and the symbolism of their hymns. One of the latest archeological ideas is that the Vedic culture is evidenced by Painted Grey Ware pottery in north India, which appears to date around 1000 BC and comes from the same region between the Ganges and Yamuna as later Vedic culture is related to. It is thought to be an inferior grade of pottery and to be associated with the use of iron that the 'Vedas' are thought to mention. However it is associated with a pig and rice culture, not the cow and barley culture of the 'Vedas'. Moreover it is now found to be an organic development of indigenous pottery, not an introduction of invaders. Painted Grey Ware culture represents an indigenous cultural development and does not reflect any cultural intrusion from the West i.e. an Indo-Aryan invasion. Therefore, there is no archeological evidence corroborating the fact of an Indo-Aryan invasion. In addition, the Aryans in the Middle East, most notably the Hittites, have now been found to have been in that region at least as early as 2200 BC, wherein they are already mentioned. Hence the idea of an Aryan invasion into the Middle East has been pushed back some centuries, though the evidence so far is that the people of the mountain regions of the Middle East were Indo-Europeans as far as recorded history can prove. The Aryan Kassites of the ancient Middle East worshiped Vedic Gods like Surya and the Maruts, as well as one named Himalaya. The Aryan Hittites and Mittani signed a treaty with the name of the Vedic Gods Indra, Mitra, Varuna and Nasatyas around 1400 BC. The Hittites have a treatise on chariot racing written in almost pure Sanskrit. The Indo-Europeans of the ancient Middle East thus spoke Indo-Aryan, not Indo-Iranian languages and thereby show a Vedic culture in that region of the world as well. The Indus Valley culture had a form of writing, as evidenced by numerous seals found in the ruins. It was also assumed to be non-Vedic and probably Dravidian, though this was never proved. Now it has been shown that the majority of the late Indus signs are identical with those of later Hindu Brahmi and that there is an organic development between the two scripts. Prevalent models now suggest an Indo-European base for that language. It was also assumed that the Indus Valley culture derived its civilization from the Middle East, probably Sumeria, as antecedents for it were not found in India. Recent French excavations at Mehrgarh have shown that all the antecedents of the Indus Valley culture can be found within the subcontinent and going back before 6000 BC. In short, some Western scholars are beginning to reject the Aryan invasion or any outside origin for Hindu civilization. Current archeological data do not support the existence of an Indo-Aryan or European invasion into South Asia at any time in the pre- or proto historic periods. Instead, it is possible to document archeologically a series of cultural changes reflecting indigenous cultural development from prehistoric to historic periods. The early Vedic literature describes not a human invasion into the area, but a fundamental restructuring of indigenous society. The Indo-Aryan invasion as an academic concept in 18th and 19th century Europe reflected the cultural milieu of the period. Linguistic data were used to validate the concept that in turn was used to interpret archeological and anthropological data. In other words, Vedic literature was interpreted on the assumption that there was an Aryan invasion. Then archeological evidence was interpreted by the same assumption. And both interpretations were then used to justify each other. It is nothing but a tautology, an exercise in circular thinking that only proves that if assuming something is true, it is found to be true! Another modern Western scholar, Colin Renfrew, places the Indo-Europeans in Greece as early as 6000 BC. He also suggests such a possible early date for their entry into India. As far as I can see, there is nothing in the Hymns of the 'Rig Veda' which demonstrates that the Vedic-speaking population was intrusive to the area: this comes rather from a historical assumption of the ‘coming’ of the Indo-Europeans. When Wheeler speaks of 'the Aryan invasion of the land of the 7 rivers, the Punjab', he has no warranty at all, so far as I can see. If one checks the dozen references in the 'Rig Veda' to the 7 rivers, there is nothing in them that to me implies invasion: the land of the 7 rivers is the land of the 'Rig Veda', the scene of action. Nor is it implied that the inhabitants of the walled cities (including the Dasyus) were any more aboriginal than the Aryans themselves. Despite Wheeler's comments, it is difficult to see what is particularly non-Aryan about the Indus Valley civilization. Hence Renfrew suggests that the Indus Valley civilization was in fact Indo-Aryan even prior to the Indus Valley era: This hypothesis that early Indo-European languages were spoken in North India with Pakistan and on the Iranian plateau at the 6th millennium BC has the merit of harmonizing symmetrically with the theory for the origin of the Indo-European languages in Europe. It also emphasizes the continuity in the Indus Valley and adjacent areas from the early neolithic through to the floruit of the Indus Valley civilization. This is not to say that such scholars appreciate or understand the 'Vedas' - their work leaves much to be desired in this respect - but that it is clear that the whole edifice built around the Aryan invasion is beginning to tumble on all sides. In addition, it does not mean that the 'Rig Veda' dates from the Indus Valley era. The Indus Valley culture resembles that of the 'Yajur Veda' and they reflect the pre-Indus period in India when the Saraswati river was more prominent. The acceptance of such views would create a revolution in our view of history as shattering as that in science caused by Einstein's theory of relativity. It would make ancient India perhaps the oldest, largest and most central of ancient cultures. It would mean that the Vedic literary record - already the largest and oldest of the ancient world even at a 1500 BC date - would be the record of teachings some centuries or thousands of years before that. It would mean that the 'Vedas' are our most authentic record of the ancient world. It would also tend to validate the Vedic view that the Indo-Europeans and other Aryan peoples were migrants from India, not that the Indo-Aryans were invaders into India. Moreover, it would affirm the Hindu tradition that the Dravidians were early offshoots of the Vedic people through the seer Agastya, and not un-Aryan peoples. In closing, it is important to examine the social and political implications of the Aryan invasion idea: First, it served to divide India into a northern Aryan and southern Dravidian culture which were made hostile to each other. This kept the Hindus divided and is still a source of social tension. Second, it gave the British an excuse in their conquest of India. They could claim to be doing only what the Aryan ancestors of the Hindus had previously done millennia ago. Third, it served to make Vedic culture later than and possibly derived from Middle Eastern cultures. With the proximity and relationship of the latter with the Bible and Christianity, this kept the Hindu religion as a sidelight to the development of religion and civilization to the West. Fourth, it allowed the sciences of India to be given a Greek basis, as any Vedic basis was largely disqualified by the primitive nature of the Vedic culture. This discredited not only the 'Vedas' but the genealogies of the 'Puranas' and their long list of the kings before the Buddha or Krishna were left without any historical basis. The 'Mahabharata', instead of a civil war in which all the main kings of India participated as it is described, became a local skirmish among petty princes that was later exaggerated by poets. In short, it discredited most of the Hindu tradition and almost all its ancient literature. It turned its scriptures and sages into fantasies and exaggerations. This served a social, political and economical purpose of domination, proving the superiority of Western culture and religion. It made the Hindus feel that their culture was not the great thing that their sages and ancestors had said it was. It made Hindus feel ashamed of their culture - that its basis was neither historical nor scientific. It made them feel that the main line of civilization was developed first in the Middle East and then in Europe and that the culture of India was peripheral and secondary to the real development of world culture. Such a view is not good scholarship or archeology but merely cultural imperialism. The Western Vedic scholars did in the intellectual sphere what the British army did in the political realm - discredit, divide and conquer the Hindus. In short, the compelling reasons for the Aryan invasion theory were neither literary nor archeological but political and religious - that is to say, not scholarship but prejudice. Such prejudice may not have been intentional but deep-seated political and religious views easily cloud and blur our thinking. It is unfortunate that this approach has not been questioned more, particularly by Hindus. Even though Indian Vedic scholars like Dayananda Saraswati, Bal Gangadhar Tilak and Arobindo rejected it, most Hindus today passively accept it. They allow Western, generally Christian, scholars to interpret their history for them and quite naturally Hinduism is kept in a reduced role. Many Hindus still accept, read or even honor the translations of the 'Vedas' done by such Christian missionary scholars as Max Muller, Griffith, Monier-Williams and H. H. Wilson. Would modern Christians accept an interpretation of the Bible or Biblical history done by Hindus aimed at converting them to Hinduism? Universities in India also use the Western history books and Western Vedic translations that propound such views that denigrate their own culture and country. The modern Western academic world is sensitive to criticisms of cultural and social biases. For scholars to take a stand against this biased interpretation of the 'Vedas' would indeed cause a reexamination of many of these historical ideas that can not stand objective scrutiny. But if Hindu scholars are silent or passively accept the misinterpretation of their own culture, it will undoubtedly continue, but they will have no one to blame but themselves. It is not an issue to be taken lightly, because how a culture is defined historically creates the perspective from which it is viewed in the modern social and intellectual context. Tolerance is not in allowing a false view of one's own culture and religion to be propagated without question. That is merely self-betrayal. References: 1. "Atherva Veda" IX.5.4. 2. "Rig Veda" II.20.8 & IV.27.1. 3. "Rig Veda" VII.3.7; VII.15.14; VI.48.8; I.166.8; I.189.2; VII.95.1. 4. S.R. Rao, "Lothal and the Indus Valley Civilization", Asia Publishing House, Bombay, India, 1973, p. 37, 140 & 141. 5. Ibid, p. 158. 6. "Manu Samhita" II.17-18. 7. Note "Rig Veda" II.41.16; VI.61.8-13; I.3.12. 8. "Rig Veda" VII.95.2. 9. Studies from the post-graduate Research Institute of Deccan College, Pune, and the Central Arid Zone Research Institute (CAZRI), Jodhapur. Confirmed by use of MSS (multi-spectral scanner) and Landsat Satellite photography. Note MLBD Newsletter (Delhi, India: Motilal Banarasidass), Nov. 1989. Also Sriram Sathe, "Bharatiya Historiography", Itihasa Sankalana Samiti, Hyderabad, India, 1989, pp. 11-13. 10. "Vedanga Jyotisha of Lagadha", Indian National Science Academy, Delhi, India, 1985, pp 12-13. 11. "Aitareya Brahmana", VIII.21-23; "Shatapat Brahmana", XIII.5.4. 12. R. Griffith, "The Hymns of the Rig Veda", Motilal Banarasidas, Delhi, 1976. 13. J. Shaffer, "The Indo-Aryan invasions: Cultural Myth and Archeological Reality", from J. Lukas(Ed), 'The people of South Asia', New York, 1984, p. 85. 14. T. Burrow, "The Proto-Indoaryans", Journal of Royal Asiatic Society, No. 2, 1973, pp. 123-140. 15. G. R. Hunter, "The Script of Harappa and Mohenjodaro and its connection with other scripts", Kegan Paul, Trench, Trubner & Co., London, 1934. J.E. Mitchiner, "Studies in the Indus Valley Inscriptions", Oxford & IBH, Delhi, India, 1978. Also the work of Subhash Kak as in "A Frequency Analysis of the Indus Script", Cryptologia, July 1988, Vol XII, No 3; "Indus Writing", The Mankind Quarterly, Vol 30, No 1 & 2, Fall/Winter 1989; and "On the Decipherment of the Indus Script - A Preliminary Study of its connection with Brahmi", Indian Journal of History of Science, 22(1):51-62 (1987). Kak may be close to deciphering the Indus Valley script into a Sanskrit like or Vedic language. 16. J.F. Jarrige and R.H. Meadow, "The Antecedents of Civilization in the Indus Valley", Scientific American, August 1980. 17. C. Renfrew, "Archeology and Language", Cambridge University Press, New York, 1987. Check more articles from David Frawley at: http://www.vedanet.com/. You may also read his book "The Myth of the Aryan Invasion of India" online at: http://www.hindubooks.org/david_frawley/myth_aryan_invasion/ index.html. ARYAN INVASION IS A MYTH European scholars following Max Muller in the nineteenth century decided that the Vedic people - whom they called the Aryans after a misinterpretation of that Vedic term - invaded India around 1500 BC. They were said to have overthrown the primitive and aboriginal culture of the time, which was thought to be Dravidian in nature, and brought a more advanced civilization to the land (though they themselves were still regarded as barbarians). The indigenous aborigines were identified as the Dasyus or inimical people mentioned in the Vedas. The rationale behind the late date for the Vedic culture given by Muller was totally speculative and based only on linguistic grounds. Muller had assumed that the five layers of the four Vedas and Upanishads were each composed in two hundred year periods before the Buddha at 500 BC, as they were in existence by that time. However, the rates of change for languages are quite speculative, particularly for those languages like Sanskrit or Latin which became scriptural or scholarly languages apart from common dialects. There are more changes of language within Vedic Sanskrit itself than there are in classical Sanskrit since Panini, regarded as a figure of around 500 BC, or a period of 2500 years. As classical Sanskrit has remained the same for that time period, the two hundred year strata for the Vedic language carries no weight at all. Each of these periods could have existed for any number of centuries and the two hundred year figure is likely too short a figure. The idea that the Aryans were a particular race was not accepted by everyone. Max Muller himself rejected it. Yet it has become ingrained in the Aryan theory so much that the common mind has accepted it as a fact. This idea of the Aryans as a particular race, speaking a particular language is what I call the "first birth" of the Aryan theory. Yet in its first form, the Aryan invasion was of people who were as or more advanced in culture than the indigenous aborigines that they overcame. Harappa and Mohenjodaro were not excavated until the early part of the twentieth century. As by this time the 1500 BC date for the Vedic people was accepted and since Harappa was dated before this it was uncritically accepted that the Harappan culture must be pre-Vedic. The Aryan invasion theory was rewritten to make the Aryans the uncivilized destroyers of the civilized Dravidian-Harappan culture. Yet few questioned this rewriting of the Aryan invasion theory in light of new evidence. This we could call the "second birth" of the Aryan invasion theory - in which the Vedic Aryans were not only violent and intolerant but the destroyers of one of the great civilizations of antiquity - which makes the Vedic Aryans appear as proto-Nazis. This is the view of the Aryan invasion that is most commonly accepted today, even after it has been accepted by all scholars that there is no evidence of any Harappan cities being destroyed by invaders. Because it is the most negative view of the Aryans, it has been most seized upon by those opposing Hindu or Vedic culture. Meanwhile other archaeologists in the early part of this century pointed out that in the middle of the second millennium BC, various Indo-Europeans appear in the Middle East, wherein Indo-European Hittites, Mittani and Kassites conquered and ruled Mesopotamia for some centuries. A Greek invasion of Europe was also postulated for this period, as it marked the period when the Minoan culture declined, which was assumed to be non-Indo-European. Hence an Aryan invasion of Greece and the Middle East was proposed. An Aryan invasion of India was regarded as another version of this same migratory movement of Indo-European peoples around the middle of the second millennium BC, which became one of the most dramatic migrations in the history of the world and for which no real cause has ever been given. On top of this, excavators of the Indus Valley culture, like Wheeler, thought they found evidence of destruction of the culture by an outside invasion, confirming the idea (though Wheeler's so-called skeletal evidence of the massacre of Mohenjodaro has long since been refuted it still appears in many historical accounts even today!). Vedic culture was thus said to be that of primitive nomads who came out of Central Asia with their horse-drawn chariots and iron weapons, like the Indo-European Hittites in the Near East who were among the first to use iron weapons, and overthrew the cities of the more advanced Harappan culture, with their cruder culture yet superior battle tactics. It was pointed out that no horses, chariots or iron were discovered in Harappan sites, and since such things are mentioned in the Vedas, this culture must be pre-Vedic. To support this theory other aspects of the Vedas were molded according to it. Vedic references to destruction of cities were related to Harappa. The Vedic metal ayas was said to be iron, though it is only a generic term meaning metal. Vedic references to the ocean were reduced to mean only the Indus river or some other large body of water in northwest India or Afghanistan. Vedic references to rivers from the Indus to the Ganges, which are merely a list of rivers, were interpreted to show a movement from the west to the east of India. The Aryan invasion theory was imposed on archeological and literary evidence, even if it required altering the data. This was how the Aryan invasion theory formed. The logic was inevitable. Once the image of invading Aryans was formed, it had to be drawn out to its ultimate form envisioning the Aryans like Atilla the Hun. The languages of South India are Dravidian, which is a different linguistic group than the Indo-European languages of the North of the subcontinent. The two groups of languages have many different root words (though a number in common we might add), and above all a different grammatical structure, the Dravidian being agglutinative and the Indo-European being inflected. Dravidian languages possess a very old history of their own, which their legends, the Tamil Sangha literature, show a history in South India and Sri Lanka dating back over five thousand years. Along with the difference of language there is a difference of skin color from north to south of India, with the southerners being darker in skin color (though northerners are hardly light in color by Western standards, with the exception of some people of the far northwest). Though a less pronounced difference than that of language it has been lumped together along with it again assuming that race and language must be the same. The Aryan invasion theory has been used to explain both the linguistic and racial differences between the peoples of North and South India, and such differences have been put forth as "proof" of the invasion (as if no other explanation were possible). As the Aryans were made into a race, so were the Dravidians and the Aryan/Dravidian divide was turned into a racial war, the Aryan invaders versus the indigenous Dravidians of Harappa and Mohenjodaro. By this view the Vedic people promoted the superiority of their race and language and simply drove away those of different races or languages. We have already discussed how Sanskrit Aryan is never a racial term but a title of respect. Even the Dravidian kings called themselves Aryan. Nor is there anything in Vedic literature that places the Dravidians outside of the greater Vedic culture and ancestry. Hence to place Aryan against Dravidian as terms is itself a misuse of language. Be that as it may, the Aryan and Dravidian divide has also failed to prove itself. Now it has been determined that there is no such thing scientifically speaking as Aryan and Dravidian races. The so-called Aryans and Dravidian races of India are members of the same Mediterranean branch of the Caucasian race, which prevailed in the ancient civilizations of Egypt and Sumeria and is still the main group in the Mediterranean area, North Africa, and the Middle East. The Caucasian race is not simply white but also contains dark skinned types. Skin color and race is another nineteenth century idea that has been recently discarded. Darker skin color is commonly found in peoples living in more southern regions and appears as an adjustment mechanism to hotter climates and greater sunshine. For example southern Europeans are darker in skin color than northern Europeans, though they are not a different race because of this. This suggests that the Dravidian branch of the Mediterranean race must have lived in South India for some thousands of years to make this adjustment, and the same thing could be said of the people of North India as well if we would make them originally light-skinned invaders from the north. The issue of language is similarly more complex. It is now known that Dravidian languages, with their agglutinative patterns, share common traits and are of the same broad linguistic group as such Asian and East European languages as Finnish, Hungarian, old Bulgarian, Turkish, Mongolian and Japanese, the Finno-Ugric and Ural-Altaic branches of languages. As the common point between these groups lies in Central Asia some scholars have recently proposed that the Dravidian peoples originally came from this region. The same linguistic speculation that led to the Aryan invasion theory has following the same logic required a "Dravidian invasion." Not only are the Dravidians like the Aryans styled invaders into India, they took the same route as the Aryans. The city-state of Elam in southwest Iran, east of Sumeria, which had a high civilization throughout the ancient period, shows an agglutinative structure like the Dravidian, as does possibly the Sumerian itself. This would place Dravidian type languages in Iran as well. Thereby the Dravidians, just like the Aryans, would have migrated (again the reason for which is not clear) from Central Asia and into Iran, with one group moving west to Mesopotamia and the other, apparently larger group, going east into India. Later the invading Aryans are said to have forced the Dravidians to move to the south of the country from their original homeland on the Indus and Sarasvati rivers. (However, we have already noted that there is no evidence of such migrations, nor of any Dravidian references to the Sarasvati like those of the Vedas.) The Dravidian and Aryan invasion theories turns the migration of particular language/racial groups from Central Asia into a kind of panacea to explain the developments of race and language for much of humanity, particularly for India. However both invasion theories appear far too simplistic given the complex ways in which cultures, languages and races move and interact. The Dravidian claim to be indigenous to India has, like the Aryan, been discredited by linguistic argument. Yet the argument brings the Aryans and Dravidians back into contact with each other and derives them from the same region, suggesting a long term association between them outside of India. However if we give up the invasion model such association can be better explained by contact within India which we know was an historical fact. Certainly the present population of India - which even the ancient Greeks and Persians regarded as dark-skinned - was not produced by light-skinned people from Central Asia (whether Aryan or Dravidian). Moreover, there cannot be a Dravidian invasion changing the language but not the population of India just like the Aryan invasion, as the idea is far-fetched to happen once but to happen twice in a row in the same region and by the same route is ridiculous. If both the Aryan and Dravidian languages of India have affinities with those of Central Asia, and to peoples of different ethnic groups (the Indo-Aryan with the lighter skinned European and the Dravidians with both light-skinned Finns and Hungarians, and Mongolian race Turks) a phenomenon is created that is too complex to be explained by mere migration alone. It takes languages across the racial boundaries that migration theories up-hold and places them on par with other cultural affinities (like art or religion), which are not limited by race. The linguistic divide between Aryan and Dravidian, as that between the Indo-European and other language groups is also now being questioned. A greater Nostratic family of languages has been proposed that includes Indo-European, Dravidian and Semitic languages and looks for a common ancestor for all three. This requires a greater degree of contact between these groups which remote Central Asia cannot afford. Moreover, there are affinities between Sanskrit and the Munda or aboriginal languages of India, as S. Kalyanaraman has noted, that indicate a long and early contact, if not common evolution, which could have only happened in India. Such Vedic scholars as Sri Aurobindo have stated that the Dravidian and Sanskritic languages have much more in common than has yet been admitted and appear to have a common ancestor. Dravidian history does not contradict Vedic history either. It credits the invention of the Tamil language, the oldest Dravidian tongue, to the rishi Agastya, one of the most prominent sages in the Rig Veda. Dravidian kings historically have called themselves Aryans and trace their descent through Manu (who in the Matsya Purana is regarded as originally a south Indian king). Apart from language, moreover, both north and south India share a common religion and culture. Prior to Vedic Sanskrit there may have been a language that was the basis of both the Dravidian and Sanskritic languages in India. The idea that the same culture cannot produce two different language systems may itself be questionable. It may have been the very power of Vedic culture and its sages, with their mastery of the word, that they could have produced not only Indo-European like languages but also Dravidian. In any case the Aryan/Dravidian divide is no longer sufficient to up-hold the Aryan invasion theory. It leads to a more difficult to maintain Dravidian invasion theory. The Dravidian invasion theory is just a shadow cast by the Aryan invasion theory and reveals the erroneous nature of the latter. Other aspects of the Aryan-Dravidian divide are predicated upon the invasion theory. For example the idea that South India represents a pre-Vedic Shaivite culture as opposed to the Brahmanical culture of the north follows only from this. Otherwise we see Shaivism in the North, in Kailas, Benares and Kashmir, and Shiva as Rudra of the Vedas. What have thereby been proposed as radical cultural differences between the North and South of India are merely regional variations in the vast cultural complex of the subcontinent and its interrelated spiritual traditions. Dravidian pride or nationalism need not depend upon the Aryan invasion theory or denigrating the culture of North India. The Dravidians have long been one of the most important peoples of India and, perhaps ironically, have been the best preservers of Vedic culture itself. The best Vedic Sanskrit, rituals and traditions can be found only in the south of India. That South India was able to do this suggests the importance and antiquity of Vedic culture to this region. | ||
| Savage Comedian Username: Savage Post Number: 1695 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 148.129.71.53 Rating: N/A |
Bongulo Avestan gola ikkada guda modalu ayinda | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 524 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 209.172.101.244 Rating: N/A |
mari nuvvu enduku vachchinaavu america ki? Iran velli timepass chesukoka? | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 523 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
BULL. harappa civilisation is not vedic. dravidian tongues have no origins in aryan sanskrit. avestan and sanskrit are 95% same. does your article refute the above 3 statements? I can post a lot of anti-articles which support aryan migration/invasion. | ||
| Goonda Hero Username: Goonda Post Number: 10322 Registered: 02-2007 Posted From: 146.18.173.72 Rating: N/A |
neeku antey favoritism vuntey america ki endukochav?? mee oorlo pani chesukoka | ||
| Teluguhero Junior Artist Username: Teluguhero Post Number: 48 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 24.129.108.25 Rating: N/A |
"why is avestan(old persian) and sanskrit 95% similar? why linguists unanimously agree that dravidian tongues(in both south and north india) do not share their roots with sanskrit" Aryan Invasion Theory Myth http://www.mantra.com/newsplus/aitmyth.html 1. A crucial international historians' conference Diaspora Hinduism Today February, 1997 [...] A crucial international October historians' conference held in Atlanta, Georgia, USA, reexamined ancient Indian history. It resolved that "Recent archaeological discoveries have fully established that there was a continuous evolution of civilization on the Indian subcontinent from about 5000 bce, that remained uninterrupted through 1000 bce;...no scope whatsoever to support an 'Aryan invasion' theory. The term Arya in Indian literature has no racial or linguistic connotations." Vested interests in Western academia protect the old theory, which permeates millions of books and contemporary Indian social theory. In 1995, one of the India's most knowledgable and objective historians, Shiva G. Bajpai, said, "the data against the invasion theory is speculative." After recent investigation he told Hinduism Today, "I am now convinced. There was no invasion. I may present the findings in a new framework at the next World Sanskrit Conference in Bangalore." | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 522 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
only licking licking licking....then no respect. | ||
| Rajusk Comedian Username: Rajusk Post Number: 1182 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
Preach what you practice ... | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 521 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 209.172.101.244 Rating: N/A |
Pushan is the lover of his sister [Rg Ved VI.55.4] [Apte 11] Agni is the lover of his own sister [Rg Ved X.3.3] [Apte 11] Ashvins are referred to as the sons of Savitar and Ushas who are brother and sister [Apte 11]. The Ashvisns married Surya and Savitri who is their sister [RV I.116.19]. Agni is the son of his father and his sister [Rg Ved.I.91.7] | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 519 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
they got limited to yagnas. which are very old poems. if you want to become aryan then practice incest and beef eating first. | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 518 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 209.172.101.244 Rating: N/A |
why is avestan(old persian) and sanskrit 95% similar? why linguists unanimously agree that dravidian tongues(in both south and north india) do not share their roots with sanskrit? | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 517 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
jai dravida thalli. cocked up theories are not facts in the pretext of nation building. | ||
| Rajusk Comedian Username: Rajusk Post Number: 1180 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
Unfortunately some of our DB brothers still want to brainwash people with this licking that licking theory...instead of standing for a more unified nation... | ||
| Teluguhero Junior Artist Username: Teluguhero Post Number: 46 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 24.129.108.25 Rating: N/A |
"From what I know...the Aryans invading Dravidians and driving them down the Vindhyas is the concoction of the medieval historians..and it was recently struck down...not sure why people still believe and discuss them..courtesy our Commie historians I guess" Yer you are right.Even Vivek form Idlebrain DB provided lot of information regarding thsi issue. | ||
| Iamim Junior Artist Username: Iamim Post Number: 678 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 221.134.40.180 Rating: N/A |
Who told whom to suck?? That is only in movies... The secular governments themselves are sponsoring Varuna Yagnas for rains.. These days various Yagnas are being conducted proudly sponsored by non Brahmans on a large scale.. Agni and Indra are invoked in every Yagna.. More than any Caste.. Reddys glorify Indra.. Indra Reddy Indra Sena Reddy Mahender Reddy Devendar Reddy Mahipal Reddy Indra Karan Reddy Aryan civilization is proudly flourishing like never before.. with proud people relishing and cherishing every bit by bit by bit... | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 516 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 209.172.101.244 Rating: N/A |
Due to the strict restrictions and regulations one feature arose that is apparently more common in Aryan society than in any other part of the world: incest. References to this practice abound. Often the girls were unwilling, but were then forceed by their brothers/fathers. References abound even in the Rig Veda, showing that the perversion of brother-sister incest was introduced by the Aryans : Pushan is the lover of his sister [Rg Ved VI.55.4] [Apte 11] Agni is the lover of his own sister [Rg Ved X.3.3] [Apte 11] Ashvins are referred to as the sons of Savitar and Ushas who are brother and sister [Apte 11]. The Ashvisns married Surya and Savitri who is their sister [RV I.116.19]. Agni is the son of his father and his sister [Rg Ved.I.91.7] | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 515 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
chcha, then why is incest and polyandry which is so aryan not given adequate importance? | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 514 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
chcha, then why are the aryan dieties indra, agni etc were told to suck themselves? why is beef eating which is so aryan not praticed? only cremation is aryan habit. even the persians, greeks, kurds used to do it. ash immersion is not aryan habit to begin with. | ||
| Rajusk Comedian Username: Rajusk Post Number: 1177 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
From what I know...the Aryans invading Dravidians and driving them down the Vindhyas is the concoction of the medieval historians..and it was recently struck down...not sure why people still believe and discuss them..courtesy our Commie historians I guess | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 513 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
adhe kada mama mana kharma. | ||
| Iamim Junior Artist Username: Iamim Post Number: 677 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 221.134.40.180 Rating: N/A |
This is not science.. this is self belief.. this is faith.. People want to be proud Aryans.. thats why they have taken to cremation and ash immersion instead of burials long long back.. what is in blood.. blood banks are there anyway if in doubt... | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 512 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
only persians can do that because they have the real aryan blood. | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 511 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
chcha.. adho pedhdha mental dhi unnattu unnadhi. leka pothe manchi blow jober yemo. chiru ravatam yenti...aryulu ravatam yenti? | ||
| Iamim Junior Artist Username: Iamim Post Number: 676 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 221.134.40.180 Rating: N/A |
Civilization is not based on commuism or socialism or any other ism to see everything in black and white.. There is Good Better Best.. There is Bad Evil Worst.. Inequality is the mother of Creation.. Ineuality if the precursor of Evolution.. | ||
| Iamim Junior Artist Username: Iamim Post Number: 675 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 221.134.40.180 Rating: N/A |
Recently Chiru Mahila sena was interviewed on TV.. a lady said something to this effect: Aryulu aada jaathiki gouravam theccharu.. Ippudu malli Aryulu osthunnaru.. mahilalanu uddharistharu.. Sharukh Khan's son is named 'Aryan'.. Our own hero 'Aryan Rajesh' is there.. Then there was the movie 'Arya'.. Now Chiru has gone to Kasi to immerse the ashes.. Interestingly there are no Brahmans in the above examples.. People are intropecting.. people are rediscovering their 'Aryan' blood and 'Aryan' pride and 'Aryan' lineage.. and 'Aryan' civilization.. people are rediscovering their own glory... | ||
| Jkm Junior Artist Username: Jkm Post Number: 625 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 216.235.145.222 Rating: N/A |
last time india vellinappudu maa mother ni uttara bharatha yatralaki (delhi surroundings) theesukella . haridwar & rishikesh ki vellamu. akkada ganga river water flow chala force ga velthundi. antha force river chooddam first time. ekkado varsham padinattundi. water burada neellatho muriki ga vunnayi. janam andulo 3 times munigi legusthunnaru. amma kooda 3 sarlu munigi legustha andi. aa water choosi naaku bayam vesi vaddu thala meeda 3 times ganga jalam posukunte chaalu ani cheppi apanu. akkada plastic bottles ammutharu. 2 bottles lo ganga jalam nimpi hotel ki pattukochi bucket clean water lo kalipi snanam chesamu. inka hinduvulu asthikalu ganga lo enduku kaluputharu ante mana puranallalo ganaga nadiki chala importance vundi. hindu rushilu, saadhuvulu himalayaslo ekkuva vunde vaaru. akkade books raasevaru. so ala ganga nadi famous. maa families lo memu krishna river lo kanaka durgamma temple mundu kaluputhamu. unfortunately akkada water ekkuva vundadu vunna kaani flow vundadu. still water. Ganga river ni life lo okkasaranna choodali. maa trip lo varanasi,kedarinath miss ayyamu.next time choodali. Anger is a condition in which the tongue works faster than the mind. | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 509 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.229.90.179 Rating: N/A |
I dont have issues with bapans who dont do aryan licking. ex: basky_indya | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 508 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.229.90.179 Rating: N/A |
aryan licking. | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 506 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.229.90.179 Rating: N/A |
correct. proto dravidians buried their dead with head facing north. but how is this related to southies flocking to ganga? | ||
| Iamim Junior Artist Username: Iamim Post Number: 673 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 221.134.40.180 Rating: N/A |
All said.. cremation itself is a tradition of Indo-European tribes.. it is not found in Semetic cultures.. cremation spread to India with the advent of Indo-Europeans.. many ancient burial grounds have been found from time to time in south India... | ||
| Rajusk Comedian Username: Rajusk Post Number: 1173 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
Not sure where you live..if you live in NJ...you can probably pose the same questions to Chinna Jeeyar Swamy..he might have a better answer than the lesser known mortals here.. | ||
| Rajusk Comedian Username: Rajusk Post Number: 1172 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
I had a holy dip at Haridwar... A trip to Kasi is still due.. | ||
| Savage Comedian Username: Savage Post Number: 1682 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 148.129.71.53 Rating: N/A |
Iamim babai Ramudu tarvatha Bharatudu peddavadu kada, mari andaru Rama Lakshamnulu,Bharatudu, Satrughanudu yenduku antaru? | ||
| Iamim Junior Artist Username: Iamim Post Number: 671 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 221.134.40.180 Rating: N/A |
Oka sari nenu uttara bharata yatra chesenu.. appudu Ganga nadi meeda nava lo velthu dositi ninda Ganga jalam teesukoni tagenu.. naa janma dhanyamaindi... | ||
| Iamim Junior Artist Username: Iamim Post Number: 668 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 221.134.40.180 Rating: N/A |
This idea originated some time in middle and died sometime in middle.. every action has some purpose and rationale for those times.. All these strict injunctions were chiefly meant only for Brahmans.. my personal thinking is.. this particular one arose coz at that time Hinduism was facing severe threats from inside and outside in shape of Buddhism.. Jainism.. Islam.. Christianity etc.. Brahmans were the upholders of religion and Dharma.. they had to stay in India and be rigid and dogmatic to save the Dharma... Ravana was a Brahman.. his ancestors must have crossed Oceans.. Likewise many kingdoms in Asia had Brahman advisors who did cross Oceans.. ============================================================ ==================== The Rig Veda credits Varuna with knowledge of the ocean routes and describes naval expeditions. There is reference to the side wings of a vessel called Plava, which give stability to the ship under storm conditions. A compass, Matsya yantra was used for navigation in the fourth and fifth century AD. Ancient Lothal as envisaged by the Archaeological Survey of India.The earliest known reference to an organization devoted to ships in ancient India is to the Mauryan Empire from the 4th century BCE. Emperor Chandragupta Maurya's Prime Minister Kautilya's Arthashastra devotes a full chapter on the state department of waterways under navadhyaksha (Sanskrit for Superintendent of ships). The term, nava dvipantaragamanam (Sanskrit for sailing to other lands by ships, i.e. Exploration) appears in this book in addition to appearing in the Buddhist text, Baudhayana Dharmasastra as the interpretation of the term, Samudrasamyanam. Sea lanes between India and neighboring lands were the usual form of trade for many centuries, and are responsible for the widespread influence of Indian Culture on other societies. Powerful navies included those of the Maurya, Satavahana, Chola, Vijayanagara, Kalinga, Maratha and Moghul empires .[13] The Cholas excelled in foreign trade and maritime activity, extending their influence overseas to China and Southeast Asia. During the 17th and 18th centuries, the Maratha and Kerala fleets were expanded, and became the most powerful Naval Forces in the subcontinent, even defeating European Navies at various times (See the Battle of Colachel). The fleet review of the Maratha navy took place at the Ratnagiri fort in which the ships Pal and Qalbat participated. The 'Pal' was a three masted fighter with guns peeping on the broadsides.[14] The Maratha Kanhoji Angre and Kunjali Marakkar, the Naval chief of Saamoothiri were two notable naval chiefs of the period. | ||
| Gotcha Junior Artist Username: Gotcha Post Number: 439 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.1.161.76 Rating: N/A |
sopathi brother, I second u. but i think times are changing, balaji is becoming more prevalent than any other god in north. so they will flock down and follow us. | ||
| Chantodu Comedian Username: Chantodu Post Number: 1769 Registered: 07-2007 Posted From: 12.34.246.5 Rating: N/A |
iam tamud why upanishads are against travelling overseas..samudhrams datagudad ani sepparu anukunta.. | ||
| Iamim Junior Artist Username: Iamim Post Number: 666 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 221.134.40.180 Rating: N/A |
I am the shark among the fishes, and the Ganges among the rivers - Krishna in Bhagavadgita In his book Discovery of India, Jawaharlal Nehru says: “The Ganges, above all is the river of India, which has held India’s heart captive and drawn uncounted millions to her banks since the dawn of history. The story of the Ganges, from her source to the sea, from old times to new, is the story of India’s civilization and culture, of the rise and fall of empires, of great and proud cities, of adventures of man…†River Ganga/Ganges with its source in the mighty Himalayan mountains is considered to be the most sacred river by Hindus. The waters of Ganga (referred to as Ganga jal) is believed to be self cleansing in nature and it is said that a single dip in the waters of this holy river will wash away all the sins of a person! The last rites of the thousands of Hindus are performed at the numerous ghats along the shores of Ganga at the holy sites like Kashi, Varanasi etc. Thousands of human bodies are consigned to this holy river. Millions of Hindus take bath in the waters of this river day in and out and millions more in a single day during festival seasons throughout the year. And yet there is no sign of contagious diseases spreading from person to person due to contact through this river water! Nor is there any sign of things like skin disorders etc after bathing in this river! A river which is 2525 kilometers long, which has been the lifeline of the entire stretch of the Ganga-Yamuna plains, with over 300 million dependents today, why is Ganga considered so sacred? What is the secret behind its water? Antibacterial Nature In 1896, E. Hanbury Hankin (a British physician) after testing the water of Ganga wrote in a paper published in the French journal Annales de I’Institut Pasteur, “The bacterium Vibrio Cholerae which causes the deadly Cholera disease, when put into the waters of Ganga died within three hours! The same bacteria continued to thrive in distilled water even after 48 hours!†He also suggested that the water of this river and its tributary Yamuna were responsible for containing the spread of this deadly disease cholera in the region in those days!! Anti-putrefication C.E. Nelson, another British physician noticed that, the waters of Ganga when taken even from one of its dirtiest mouths at Hooghly, by the ships returning to England, remained fresh throughout the long journey!! Normally river water begins to putrefy over a period of time due to lack of oxygen which promotes the growth of anaerobic bacteria, which in turn gives rise to the smell of stale water. Cleaning the dead! In 1927, Félix d’Herelle, a French microbiologist, was amazed when he saw “that only a few feet below the bodies of persons floating in the Ganga who had died of dysentery and cholera, where one would expect millions of germs, there were no germs at allâ€! In other words, Hindus had for thousands of years rightly believed that Ganga purifies the dead bodies, which is why probably the bodies of even those who died of infectious diseases were offered to this river for purification! Recent Research D.S. Bhargava, an Indian environmental engineer/professor of hydrology has spent a life time studying the amazing properties of Ganges. He measured the remarkable self cleansing ability of Ganges in an exhaustive three year study which showed that Ganges is able to reduce its biochemical oxygen demand levels much faster than other rivers! Bhargava says that the self-purifying quality of this river leads to oxygen levels that are 25 times higher than any other river in the world.The Ganges cleans up suspended wastes 15 to 20 times faster when compared to other rivers! In a study conducted by the Malaria Research Center in New Delhi it was observes that the water from the upper reaches of Ganga did not host mosquito breeding, and also prevented mosquito breeding in any water it was added to! On the other hand, water from other rivers were shown to allow mosquito breeding! Why? There are two major factors which give Ganges its unique ability. 1. The presence of Bacteriophages which gives it the anti-bacterial nature. 2. An unknown factor called the ‘Mystery Factor’, which gives this river an unusual ability to retain dissolved oxygen from the atmosphere! Bacteriophage Bacteriophage are those viruses which kill bacteria. What a cat is to a mouse, the bacteriophage is to a bacterium. In fact what Hankin reported in 1896 about the antibacterial nature of Ganges was the first modern observation/documentation of a Bacteriophage! It was Herelle, (who again observed the anti-bacterial nature of Ganges) who coined the term ‘Bacteriophage’ (meaning bacteria eater) for these viruses. The high levels of oxygen in the waters of Ganga gives it the unique ability to remain fresh over a prolonged period of time. The waters of Ganga when added to other water resources in adequate amount, causes the bacteriophage in it to quickly multiply cleaning the new water resource of any bacteria present in it. Which is why the ancient Indians used to take Ganga jal back home to clean their local water resources! People practice it even today, except that most of them dont know the actual reason! In other words, the water of river Ganga can be an alternative for using antibiotics to treat bacterial diseases! Ancient Indians who used the water of rivers like Ganga never required any antibiotics, for the very water they used was anti-bacterial in nature! This type of Bacteriophage Therapy has been suggested by many researchers, but rarely tried/tested or practised in the health industry. In fact it was in the former Soviet Union that the most active research about using bacteriophages to treat bacterial diseases was done at the George Eliava Institute! This research institute was co-founded by George Eliava and Felix D’Herelle after D’Herelle introduced Eliava to the wonderful world of Bacteriophages. The death of anti-biotics? Today more and more bacteria are becoming resistant to antibiotics. The world is running out of antibiotics! We need an alternative, and a potential alternative is Bacteriophage therapy. “The emergence of pathogenic bacteria resistant to most, if not all, currently available antimicrobial agents has become a critical problem in modern medicine, particularly because of the concomitant increase in immunosuppressed patients. The concern that humankind is reentering the “preantibiotics†era has become very real, and the development of alternative antiinfection modalities has become one of the highest priorities of modern medicine and biotechnology.†- Source Phage International Phage Therapy Research in India GangaGen Biotechnologies, a bio-medical research company based out of Bangalore, is now leading the alternative therapy of Bacteriophage based treatment for antibiotic resistant bacteria. It is the first firm to have developed bacteriophage based commercial products. Their first bacteriophage based product was to treat the problem of E.Coli in Cattle. Industrial Pollution Having said all this, all along the course of river Ganga, today 27 major towns dump over 900 million litres of sewage/industrial waste into it every day! This nonsense should be stopped at any cost. Humans have no rights to pollute the natural resources of this planet. If we cant handle our waste, we shouldn’t be producing it in the first place. Rather than being an individual’s symbolic effort to fight pollution, it should be an enlightened mass movement of entire humanity to create non-polluting technology out of the science we know. The very fact that almost all the technology that we possess today in the name of development and modernization is polluting, proves that the technology we have created using modern science is still primitive. It has more to do with our greed, than with science. As Mahatma Gandhi once said, “Earth Provides enough to satisfy every man’s need but not every man’s greed.“ | ||
| Subzero Junior Artist Username: Subzero Post Number: 761 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 220.225.12.69 Rating: N/A |
elca mama, Sopathi, over excite kaaku chicha. puraanaalu alaage untai. nuvvu south indian vi kaabatti vaatini ilaa raayali ante kudardu. repu inkodu east ninchi ochi brahma putra river ae renamed as ganga ante elaa ? asthikala nimajjanam naaku thelisi north lo kooda undi. Gandhi gaari asthikalani desam lo unna ani rivers lo nimajjanam chesinru. Gandhi north indian ae kadaa. సరà±à°µ దేవాతà±à°®à°•à±‹ à°¹à±à°¯à±‡à°¸ తేజసà±à°µà±€ à°°à°¶à±à°®à±€à°à°¾à°µà°¨à°¾à°ƒ à°Žà°¸ దేవాసà±à°° గణమౠలోకాం పాతి à°—à°à°¾à°¸à±à°¤à±€à°à±€à°ƒ | ||
| Basky_indya Side Hero Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 4683 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 65.30.78.134 Rating: N/A |
yes ee matter lo PUNJAB rocks.... all india Utter Flop Hero Fans UUUUth President | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Junior Artist Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 752 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 12.202.120.244 Rating: |
Sopathi very well knows same Sollu Historiyans said before dravidians & Aryans there are some other native indians existed in this country who ever came later either changed or destroyed those races. Ikkada Argue cheyyadaniki emi ledu! He is fond of Sambar from his schooling Days and finally like to bash Aryans/Bapans Northies ..etc. Manani sollu antadu he will try to rub his sollu arguments on us! Stright ga answer cheyyadu! Oke Aavu vysamlaga every thing ends at aryans /Bapan Bashing anthe! Ekkado munigi ikkada tela | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 3582 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.86 Rating: N/A |
nobody stops andhrites to go and join in army.... | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 3581 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.86 Rating: N/A |
watever it is ...millitary and serving the country is considered as the most noble job....they r doing it ...we r not.....they rock | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 501 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
analogy kudaraledu. in that way I can also talk about BIMARU states and their drain on Indian economy. | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 500 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
antha ledu. british pampered punjabis in their army and their domination is still continuing. | ||
| Batthar_bindaas Side Hero Username: Batthar_bindaas Post Number: 5072 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 76.117.210.52 Rating: N/A |
As per hindu belief,this body is a comination of panch tatva,1 jal 2 agni 3 vayu 4aakash 5mitti. by burning somebody;s body we let his body merge with 4 tatvas,,only fifth the jal tatva remain,so we immerse ashes in holi rivers like ganga,it is not neccessary that ashes should be immersed in ganga only,,,,there r seven sacred rivers ganga,narmada,kaveri,godawary, yamuna,saryu,n kshipra,,but ganga is considered most sacred ,,n mokshdayani ,,so most hindus immerse the ashes in ganga. | ||
| Zulu Junior Artist Username: Zulu Post Number: 938 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.233.39.35 Rating: N/A |
annitiki Oka reasoning untundi thammudu. Vallaki Avasaramainadi/suit ayyedi vallu chestharu..manam kooda anthe..same to same. Vallu rocks aithe manam rocksey! Think Global,Act Local | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 3573 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.205 Rating: N/A |
dheniko oka dhaniki..vallu unnaru manam lemu punjabis rock in that aspect | ||
| Nemo Junior Artist Username: Nemo Post Number: 691 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 148.168.40.4 Rating: N/A |
Zulu mari alatappudu evari beliefs vallaki vuntayi ganga lone nimajjanam endhuku cheyyali ante answer vundadhu. | ||
| Zulu Junior Artist Username: Zulu Post Number: 937 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.233.39.35 Rating: N/A |
Border states lo unnollu army lo ekkuva join avutharu..Nuvvu ooh thega feel aipovodhu. Army lo Majority undedi Punjabi's..that doesnt mean they are patriotic..They are just good at it. Pre-Independence British-Indian Army lo Majority kooda Punjabis. If that doesnt make them Traiters..this doesnt make them patriotic. Think Global,Act Local | ||
| Nemo Junior Artist Username: Nemo Post Number: 689 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 148.168.40.4 Rating: N/A |
>but the question here is about supremacy given and licking done inko vidhamga cheppalante nee inferiority complex anukovachu kadha. entha mandhi southies pranalaki theginchi navy/army lo vunnaru when compared to norties? does it mean that northies are more patriotic than southies ?. | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 499 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
correct eh. but the question here is about supremacy given and licking done. | ||
| Nemo Junior Artist Username: Nemo Post Number: 687 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 148.168.40.4 Rating: N/A |
>>adhe, adhe aah belief form ayyindi eeh aryan licking sollu puranas vallane gada abba aryan concept total ga different. northies ki southies ki common devullu vunnaru and oka vela puranalu nijamga jarigunte northies, southies, bangldeshi's pakisthani's, srilankan's, afgha's are part of our puranas. | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 498 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
adhe, adhe aah belief form ayyindi eeh aryan licking sollu puranas vallane gada. | ||
| Basky_indya Side Hero Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 4649 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 144.226.230.37 Rating: N/A |
 SOLLU PURANAS word avasaramaaaaaaaaaaaa all india Utter Flop Hero Fans UUUUth President | ||
| Nemo Junior Artist Username: Nemo Post Number: 684 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 148.168.40.4 Rating: N/A |
>>dabbullunna bhayya gaadu kaveri ki vachchi enduku nimajjanam jeyyadu? mundhe cheppaga belief ani.. | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 497 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
hair is given in any temple. they dont come all the way to only tirumala to give hair. | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 496 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
britishodu raakamundu telugu was supposed to be originated from sanskrit, according to sollu puranas. britishodu raakamundu sun used to revolve around earth | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 495 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
tirumala qs already answered. some bhayyas go madurai temple too. | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 494 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
yehe, adhi vereh topic maama. dhaaniki eeh topic ki link yettaku.  | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 3572 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.205 Rating: N/A |
babai...tirumala question ki answer cheppu...Also tell me wehter u believe in religion??? | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 493 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
yeah but adhi kuda himalayas loni ganga lane jesthaaru. dabbullunna bhayya gaadu kaveri ki vachchi enduku nimajjanam jeyyadu? | ||
| Nemo Junior Artist Username: Nemo Post Number: 680 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 148.168.40.4 Rating: N/A |
>>sopathi wants to prove that northies are not indians origin. britishollu pothu pothu oka pulla petti poyaru | ||
| Nemo Junior Artist Username: Nemo Post Number: 679 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 148.168.40.4 Rating: N/A |
>>I am talking about asthikala nimmajanam dabbulunte himalayas lo chestharu. its all a matter of belief | ||
| Basky_indya Side Hero Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 4642 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 144.226.230.37 Rating: N/A |
sopathi wants to prove that northies are not indians origin. and south indians are only indians. all india Utter Flop Hero Fans UUUUth President | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 3569 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.205 Rating: N/A |
who said that???? they give hair in tirumala why cant they give hair in mumbai or UP Iam comparing tradition to a tradtion | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 492 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
I am talking about asthikala nimmajanam. Not a tour which covers temples. | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 3568 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.205 Rating: N/A |
babai pirst of all do u believe in god and religion???? | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 3566 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.205 Rating: N/A |
there u said there is balance....people go everywhere | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 491 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
not a good analogy. its just like southies going to pandaripur or amarnath. | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 490 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
devullanu vaadukoni jeseh vedhava propagandaki manam against. either southies flocking to ganga or devadaasis being dedicated to gods. | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 3565 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.205 Rating: N/A |
I dont think so.... Why would all the northies come to tirumala to see balaji??? they could just satisy with the siddhi vinayak dude in mumbai right??? | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 3564 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.205 Rating: N/A |
devudu unnado ledo theleedhu unnadani prove cheyyalevu...ledani prove cheyyalevu U can argue on both sides | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 489 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
I am only trying to research the reasons for why northies behave like the way they do against southindians. things like southies flocking to ganga but bhayyas aathucaring about kaveri/krishna/godavari is all part of the aryan lickingness coming from centuries. you lick... you dont get respect. | ||
| Nemo Junior Artist Username: Nemo Post Number: 677 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 148.168.40.4 Rating: N/A |
>>sollu puranam la kuda aryan lickingness puranam boku ayithe devulle leru. etantav ? | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 488 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
I dont think so. | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 3561 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.205 Rating: N/A |
well iam aware of the origination... Puranas quoted this 1000s of years back...then rapid geographical changes took place and might have disturbed the structure....who knows..... Let me tell U ...... U cant prove anything....I cant prove anything...... Its all theory.....U take what U want from it and I take what I want from it....as simple as that.... The problem comes when the one guy stops respecting the views of other.... Thats why there are fights... hindu muslim catholic Jew india pakistan all that crap....use ur knowledge to spread love....not hatred against aryans... | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 487 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
avuna, mari krishna, godavari originates in western ghats. gangan orginates in himalayas? western ghats ki himalayas ki link yendi saami? Dont quote sollu puranams which is full of aryan licking. | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 3560 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.205 Rating: N/A |
sarigaa maatadu lick spit dheniki..... OK...anthaa proganda ninnu mosam cheyyataniki.... Mr Shivudi wife peru Mrs Ganga She resides on the head of Mr.Shiva as a metaphor for woman getting into the head of a man.... So When bhageeratha prays for her she is released from the head and its a big journey for her to her destination.....During this she becomes godarai krishna etc etc.... this what we read....if u know mr shiva personally or bhgeeradha personally enlighten us | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 486 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
sollu puranam la kuda aryan lickingness.  | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 485 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
chcha... yemi sollu puranaalu saaami. Why didnt godavari originate in heaven and became ganga? atla yenduku raayaledu sollu puranaalu? yenduku sollu puranam la kuda eeh aryan lickingness. | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 3557 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.205 Rating: N/A |
ganga came from heaven and in the process becme krishna and godavari... it flows thorugh a dead cow and gives it life so its called godavari So people prefer to mix it in main entity which is Ganga....Nothing to do with north or south | ||
| Nemo Junior Artist Username: Nemo Post Number: 671 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 148.168.40.4 Rating: N/A |
Ganga river lo chesthe twaraga moksham vasthundhani | ||
| Basky_indya Side Hero Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 4631 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 144.226.230.37 Rating: N/A |
 all india Utter Flop Hero Fans UUUUth President | ||
| Sopathi Junior Artist Username: Sopathi Post Number: 484 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: |
in Ganga river but bhayyas never bother to do asthikala nimajjanam in krishna, kaveri, godavari rivers? why do we always look up to north indian entities, be it linguistic, be it religious, be it cultural, be it focking anything ? Jai dravida thalli |
