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Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 189 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 122.167.89.172
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 09:44 pm: |
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Boston_baba:
http://epaper.sakshi.com/apnews/Hyderabad-Main_Edition/05122 012/Details.aspx?id=1577536&boxid=25903032 new IITs, started doing gr8 in placements in its first placement yrs... |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 179 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 192.55.79.164
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 07:19 am: |
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Tilak:did u already? who did better? who did bad? who had a standard policy? whose was ad-hoc 2G/CoalGate type?
no bro... i heard data from here and there.. but never concretized it.. as i never had any negative thing abt this loan waiver. |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 178 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 192.55.79.165
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 06:08 am: |
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Tilak:so? their agri growth of 14% isnt real growth .. while AP's is? Thats what you are telling me?
yes... and AP was the biggest contributor to nation's agri-gdp growth for its sheer size and growth. |
   
Tilak
Hero Username: Tilak
Post Number: 10280 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 05:27 am: |
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Boston_baba:excerpts from gujarat FM budget speech 2009:, which indicates that they calculated based on economic value rather quantity, which is wt i'm refering to...
so? their agri growth of 14% isnt real growth .. while AP's is? Thats what you are telling me? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Tilak
Hero Username: Tilak
Post Number: 10279 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 05:26 am: |
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Boston_baba:u many want to compare it with benifits dolled out by both UPA and NDA to corporates in terms of tax benifits, subsidies, sops for dev etc.. and stimulus packages....
did u already? who did better? who did bad? who had a standard policy? whose was ad-hoc 2G/CoalGate type? Boston_baba:lets not bring corruption topic here bhayya.... we can reserve that different occasion.
no .. its not abt corruption .. its about affordability of a house .. in early 2000s .. 10 lakhs would get u a decent individual house and a good apt in Hyd .. today 50 lakhs gets us a decent flat and not so decent house .. and for good housing .. aam aadmi has to rob a bank .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 176 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.36
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:57 am: |
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Boston_baba:Did you check Gujarat stats? against the same year and same parameters ?
http://deshgujarat.com/2009/02/18/gujarat-interim-budget-200 9-10finance-ministers-speech/ |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 174 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.36
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:54 am: |
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Tilak:Did you check Gujarat stats? against the same year and same parameters ?
excerpts from gujarat FM budget speech 2009:, which indicates that they calculated based on economic value rather quantity, which is wt i'm refering to... "by organizing the Annual Krushi Mahotsav since last five years, integrating water storage, water irrigation and modern scientific farming. As a result, the agricultural production of the State has increased to Rs 48,070 crore in the year 2007-08 which is a remarkable achievement. As a result, Gujarat has become one of the leading states with an agricultural growth rate of 14 percent in the country." |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 170 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:28 am: |
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Dada:.The railways which was a chaper means of transport has been neglected...instead L&T, GMR, Lanco ki massive road laying projects were given.....
i donno the true story... but.. recently lot of these road project tenders were up for grab for the lack of tenders.. btw... lanco quit road construction and wants to concentrate only on power projects.... |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 169 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:26 am: |
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Tilak:loan waivers is exclusively to benefit UPA-2 to come back to power .. 78,000 crores distributed in 2008 alone .. out of which 72% went to AP, MH, UP, KA, RJ .. and Congress got almost 55 more seats from these states in 2009 .. and not to forget the position of banks now .. with more and more NPAs ..
u many want to compare it with benifits dolled out by both UPA and NDA to corporates in terms of tax benifits, subsidies, sops for dev etc.. and stimulus packages.... |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 168 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:24 am: |
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Tilak:In my book, it is the choice of Students that matters .. not that of profs ..
may be this explanation fits in for filmbuff's question... |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 167 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:23 am: |
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Tilak:after 2004-05 .. the real estate mafia is out on the streets and the aam aadmi has the lowest chance of owning a house now with those huge costs of land/steel/cement/labor .. (aam aadmi is not the upper middle class software engineer) ..
lets not bring corruption topic here bhayya.... we can reserve that different occasion. |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 166 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:22 am: |
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Tilak:NREGA killed agri work productivity by employing people on senseless non-productive works .. fueled inflation in rural India .. and there by even straining manufacturing sector
i completely agree that, NREGA raised labour costs, to unsustainable levels. making it really difficult for agriculture....and to a certain extent manufacturing. |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 165 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:19 am: |
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Filmbuff:Are you comparing the infrastructure of Hyderabad with a decaying city like Kolkata. I have been to the city a few times on work and the infra is pathe
no bro... i'm trying to highlight the contrast and glorified media campaign. we made hullabullah hyd flyover story.. but the fact is wt i mentioned above. btw... kolkata lo slums unnayi... but they have many flyovers and metro and local trains, which was 10yrs ahead of delhi... i agree that... infra doesnt just mean flyovers and metro. etc.... |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 164 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:16 am: |
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Tilak:there by increasing the fiscal deficit from 2.5% in 2004-05 to 6.5% in 2011-12 ..
bhayya.... fiscal deficit as per FRBM act-2008, we want to cut it down to 4% by 2008, which we were on track for. bcos of recession, we gave many sops to industries which was the reason for that 6.5%... not all is bcos of NREGA. |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 163 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:13 am: |
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Tilak:In my book, it is the choice of Students that matters .. not that of profs .. your example is curious .. why should the choice of profs even matter? while ranking IITs? are the top rankers choosing IIT-H instead of IIT-D?
I'm just trying to expain how far new IITs cameup... here the case is, we have big and quality professor pool from south who prefer to work in south... since, they dont have choice so far, they were working elsewhere.. now that, they have IIT-H, they are picking this. having said this, multiple factors come into play. quality of IIT, his career growth, scope for industry collaboration, quality of student pool, closeness to family etc.... across these vectors, IIT-H really stand good... even for students also, IIT-H is prefered over IIT-KGP if not IIT-D |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 162 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:09 am: |
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Filmbuff:Where are the professors to teach? 10 emundi, 100 pettochu - but what are you doing to improve the infra in the existing ones. The UPA b***** started the dilution of autonomy of the existing institutes, start reservation for OBCs.
you give suggestions bro... in country like india, where mediocre B.E., graduate getting more salary than high quality IIT prof... wt shud we do... it's shame that, a professor who graduated from stanford has no choice but to join some company, only due to poor salary of IIT/IISC. donno whom to give credit for.. thanks to 6th pay commision, recession.. new PhD...etc... slowly, new talent pool is filling the dearth here.... again some personal experiences.... some of new PhD students opted for IIT, NIT, BITS, KIT, VIT etc... prof jobs..... |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10278 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:07 am: |
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Boston_baba:AP budget doc feb-2009, and subsequent yr governor speech.
Did you check Gujarat stats? against the same year and same parameters ? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10277 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:06 am: |
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Boston_baba:IIT-hyd is doing gr8.... I know, many talented south profs, who opted to work in IIT-H and IIT-punjab, rather than IIT-D.
In my book, it is the choice of Students that matters .. not that of profs .. your example is curious .. why should the choice of profs even matter? while ranking IITs? are the top rankers choosing IIT-H instead of IIT-D? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 161 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:04 am: |
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Tilak:put down the numbers and links for your point .. lets play the game fair ..
AP budget doc feb-2009, and subsequent yr governor speech. |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 160 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 04:03 am: |
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Tilak:new IITs announcements are good .. how many of them are functional now? and what about the autonomy of IITs?
Each and every new IIT is functioning... IIT-hyd is doing gr8.... I know, many talented south profs, who opted to work in IIT-H and IIT-punjab, rather than IIT-D. |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10276 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:59 am: |
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Boston_baba:wrong bro.... 6.4% is growth in product quantity.
put down the numbers and links for your point .. lets play the game fair .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10275 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:58 am: |
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Boston_baba:huge investment in jalayagnam. as per AP budget speech, newly 20L acres ayacut is either stablized or created.
LOL .. adi ye desam lo create ayyindo choopinchamanu .. Boston_baba:- Never had any complaints of issues with fertilizers or seeds.
ee mata nuvvu kaadu cheppalsindi .. farmers .. mudigonda lo kalpulu enduku jarigaayi farmers meeda? vittanala kosam roads ekkina raithu ni laathi charge chesina govt lo no complaints aa? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 159 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.36
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:55 am: |
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Tilak:btw .. last 10 years lo .. max agricultural growth was from Gujarat .. more than 10% .. last year Madhya Pradesh had a agri growth of 18% .
wrong bro.... 6.4% is growth in product quantity. numbers u r quoting are growth in value. glorified by price hikes. |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10274 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:53 am: |
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Boston_baba:wts the new rail network laid during NDA and UPA??
I cant talk abt UPA .. bcoz i am not aware of their railway achievements .. NDA time lo ne .. Tirupati-Katpadi-Aarakkonam works jarigindi .. complete ayyindi .. Boston_baba:be it NREGA, loan waiver, housing, education, slowing down on pension reforms,
LOL .. after 2004-05 .. the real estate mafia is out on the streets and the aam aadmi has the lowest chance of owning a house now with those huge costs of land/steel/cement/labor .. (aam aadmi is not the upper middle class software engineer) .. NREGA killed agri work productivity by employing people on senseless non-productive works .. fueled inflation in rural India .. and there by even straining manufacturing sector which receded for some quarters recently .. spent some 3 lakh crores of money on this senseless scheme .. there by increasing the fiscal deficit from 2.5% in 2004-05 to 6.5% in 2011-12 .. loan waivers is exclusively to benefit UPA-2 to come back to power .. 78,000 crores distributed in 2008 alone .. out of which 72% went to AP, MH, UP, KA, RJ .. and Congress got almost 55 more seats from these states in 2009 .. and not to forget the position of banks now .. with more and more NPAs .. idena "aam aadmi" ka sarkaar? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 158 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.36
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:50 am: |
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Boston_baba: i don't remember seeing any article against the farmer suicides which were not any lesser than the Babu regime.
I agree that, farmer suicides are more even after 2004 in AP. however, some prudent efforts were taken by YSR govt till 2009. - free power, benificial for all those TG and seema farmers. - loan waiver..... 5K for those who paid, alternative arrangement of loan waiver benifit for tenant farmers. - fought case with monsanto to get BT cotton price down to 750/- from 1600/-. even gujarat and maharastra govt didnt do this. - huge investment in jalayagnam. as per AP budget speech, newly 20L acres ayacut is either stablized or created. 2004-08, 6.4% AP agri growth. after death of YSR, AP govt released circular stating the progress of 80+ projects, which showed pretty good progress. - Never had any complaints of issues with fertilizers or seeds. - Pasu kranti, subsidies for dairies..... there are many other meaningful steps taken to get back rural economy on track, which yielded good results. |
   
Filmbuff
Comedian Username: Filmbuff
Post Number: 1137 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 117.195.214.42
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:48 am: |
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Boston_baba:be it NREGA
I read in an excerpt from Gurcharan Das' latest book that even the Chinese commies are shocked at the MRNEGA and that it will lead to fiscal disaster..you are not creating productive assets while just hiking rural wages (which anyway is eaten up by higher prices). Just digging a hole and refilling it, under the name of MRNEGA projects, is not going to help. |
   
Dada
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Post Number: 1736 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 125.16.128.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:45 am: |
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Dada:
Forgot Navayuga - the biggest beneficiary |
   
Dada
Comedian Username: Dada
Post Number: 1735 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 125.16.128.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:45 am: |
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Boston_baba:
that is what i am also saying.....No new rail network...neither was there enhancement of an already existing excellent network......The railways which was a chaper means of transport has been neglected...instead L&T, GMR, Lanco ki massive road laying projects were given..... |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10273 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:44 am: |
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Boston_baba:1. we all knew the coverage of hyd flyovers during babu jamana.
bob is not from NDA .. he worked outside NDA .. Boston_baba:2. lets not talk abt roads alone. UPA-1 founded ~10 new IITs. many NITs, many foreign universities opened their branches.
FDI in education .. kiki .. new IITs announcements are good .. how many of them are functional now? and what about the autonomy of IITs? Boston_baba:3. Even in AP, we have envisioned 165km ORR, which is registering good progress. mind you, it took more than 10yrs to finish <50km Bangalore ORR.
ORRs are state subjects .. not central govt works .. so no NDA vs UPA in this example .. Boston_baba: 4. How much did we spend on irrigation during NDA and UPA-1.? UPA-1 gave high priority for this with AIBP program. we set 4% agri-growth target, and achieved 2.9% growth. AP alone achieved 6.4% agri-growth during 2004-08, which is highest for any state during that time and highest for AP for any 5yrs, since its inception.
will be glad to know how much UPA invested on irrigation .. during the years 2004-08 .. the Indian farmer was blessed with a good monsoon .. and hence the bumper harvests .. but yet .. more farmers committed suicides .. why? increase in input costs? no freedom to sell produce? no infrastructure enhancement like cold storages and rural roads from/to villages to transport their agri-produce faster .. evariki istaav credit .. btw .. last 10 years lo .. max agricultural growth was from Gujarat .. more than 10% .. last year Madhya Pradesh had a agri growth of 18% .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Filmbuff
Comedian Username: Filmbuff
Post Number: 1136 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 117.195.214.42
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:44 am: |
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Boston_baba: i saw news image in HINDU paper, on the eve of inauguration of flyover in kolkata,
Are you comparing the infrastructure of Hyderabad with a decaying city like Kolkata. I have been to the city a few times on work and the infra is pathethttp://www.chalanachithram.com/discus/icons/quote3.gific.
Boston_baba:lets not talk abt roads alone. UPA-1 founded ~10 new IITs. many NITs, many foreign universities opened their branches.
Where are the professors to teach? 10 emundi, 100 pettochu - but what are you doing to improve the infra in the existing ones. The UPA b***** started the dilution of autonomy of the existing institutes, start reservation for OBCs. Most of the road projects you have been talking about are actually conceptualised before 2004 itself during the NDA regime. To give the UPA credit for that is stealing the credit. It is congress claiming credit for the Hyd airport which was entirely Babu's vision. |
   
Dada
Comedian Username: Dada
Post Number: 1734 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 125.16.128.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:43 am: |
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Boston_baba:NREGA
Good policy - but badly implemented - Hopefully the flaws should be covered up in Direct Cash transfer
Boston_baba: loan waiver,
this was runa maafia - not runa maaafi
Boston_baba:housing
Yes
Boston_baba:education
What did UPA do in Primary education? Except for some grading stuff - the number of Primary schools have actually come down...which is a shame. |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 157 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:42 am: |
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Dada:Mass transport for 500 people in one go using Cheaper electricity vs Mass transport for 40 people using imported Diesel
wts the new rail network laid during NDA and UPA?? At least for AP and karnataka, not even single meter is laid in both tenures. |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 156 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:38 am: |
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Dada:.the UPA govt just continued NDA policies....
thanks to left and of course new found resources... UPA-1 took balanced approach abt welfare and development reforms. be it NREGA, loan waiver, housing, education, slowing down on pension reforms, UPA-1 definitely appeared as aam-admi govt. |
   
Dada
Comedian Username: Dada
Post Number: 1733 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 125.16.128.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:38 am: |
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Boston_baba:
It was for a lady journo was was reporting on rural AP....And nothing wrong if it was quality stuff.....But my point is why did he not continue the "expose" even though there was no difference between UPA and NDA at a macro level. |
   
Dada
Comedian Username: Dada
Post Number: 1732 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 125.16.128.122
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:37 am: |
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Boston_baba:
There is no point in arguing UPA vs NDA....everyone is the same.....everyone has the same policies...Power lo unte - Support the policy - Opposition lo unte - dismiss the same policy as trash.... But is there a serious debate on the so called excellent policies? :-) |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 155 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:36 am: |
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Dada:In 2008 he even instituted an award for journalism and gave an award to a reporter from Sakshi.....:-)
there might be some occasionally meaningful stories even that shit also.... may be that journo has quality ... pls provide complete picture. |
   
Dada
Comedian Username: Dada
Post Number: 1731 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 125.16.128.122
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:32 am: |
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Boston_baba:I think, he wants to act as counter-balancing force, for all the pro-babu sponsered media campaign at both centre and state.
But what about after 2004......There was no shift of policies after 2004....the UPA govt just continued NDA policies..... Instead of concentrating on enhancing the already good Railway network we had with superior signalling etc they were hellbent on finishing the enhancement of the excellent road network across the country - Mass transport for 500 people in one go using Cheaper electricity vs Mass transport for 40 people using imported Diesel - Enhancing the rail network would have worked to about 1/10th of the cost of enhancing the road network (no new highways were laid - existing highways were converted to 4 lane and 6 lane)involving a lot of land acquisition etc So why did not Sainath or some one else point out to all these mistakes of the UPA....when infra companies like GMR, Maytas, Lanco etc etc ruled the roost? Every one has their agenda - giving Sainath the benefit of doubt - maybe he did not want to appear as a radical Anti establishment force always....but he needs to be even more forceful now than what he was in 2001-2004. |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 153 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 192.55.79.164
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:26 am: |
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Filmbuff:How does it matter if it is PPP or govt funded. What matters is getting the policies in place, the land acqusition cleanly done, getting financial closures etc etc. That the NDA did. What did the Congress do over the past 8 years - how many kms per day, count cheyandi. Many road projects are not even getting bidders nowadays. Ala undhi paristhithi. India probably was not shining in 2004 but it was certainly brighther after 5 years of NDA than after 8 years of Congress rule.
i dont have stats bro... but let me try to get few examples. 1. we all knew the coverage of hyd flyovers during babu jamana. In may-2004, i saw news image in HINDU paper, on the eve of inauguration of flyover in kolkata, which says that, that one flyover is longer than the total length of all 7-8 flyovers we have till that time in AP. 2. lets not talk abt roads alone. UPA-1 founded ~10 new IITs. many NITs, many foreign universities opened their branches. 3. Even in AP, we have envisioned 165km ORR, which is registering good progress. mind you, it took more than 10yrs to finish <50km Bangalore ORR. 4. How much did we spend on irrigation during NDA and UPA-1.? UPA-1 gave high priority for this with AIBP program. we set 4% agri-growth target, and achieved 2.9% growth. AP alone achieved 6.4% agri-growth during 2004-08, which is highest for any state during that time and highest for AP for any 5yrs, since its inception. 5.From bangalore, I can see that, during UPA-1 roads came up nicely to hyd, chennai, chithor (NH5) and mysore. |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 152 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:16 am: |
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Boston_baba:For whatever reason he has been significantly against Babu
I think, he wants to act as counter-balancing force, for all the pro-babu sponsered media campaign at both centre and state. |
   
Boston_baba
Junior Artist Username: Boston_baba
Post Number: 151 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 03:15 am: |
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Filmbuff:For whatever reason he has been significantly against Babu and during the entire regime of YSR, i don't remember seeing any article against the farmer suicides which were not any lesser than the Babu regime. He has never written anything against the YSR or Jagan corruption too.
he never talked about anybody's corruptin bro... be it CBN, YSR... i never see him praising YSR too.... as u pointed out, he is bit left inclined... may be want to highlight the uncovered issues, under the glitter of india shining, AP IT shining etc...that too with help of huge media management, which he may not have liking for... |
   
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Post Number: 10272 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
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@kiranshaw Fitch warning on possible India downgrade points to widening fiscal deficit, woeful infrastructure n lack of economic reforms Thats the CEO of Biocon .. Kiran Mazumdar Shaw .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10271 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
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Filmbuff: But my biggest crib is that he belongs to the left of centre, Congress inclined journalists who abound in India, the NDTV, bleeding heart type. For whatever reason he has been significantly against Babu and during the entire regime of YSR, i don't remember seeing any article against the farmer suicides which were not any lesser than the Babu regime. He has never written anything against the YSR or Jagan corruption too. Moreover, of late, in a couple of articles i have seen absolute false statistics about GDP, per capita incomes to justify his stance on the Babu regime. I have even written to the Hindu editor complaining about this. But they conveniently ignored it. Since then i have been ignoring this biased ass.
Read his article in May 2009, as to why YSR won the elections. He was pretty truthful, in my opinion. Btw, he disrobed - Vilasrao Deshmukh and his govt's rule in Maharashtra (Vidarbha) and his thuggery and how he was promoted by Cong HC (Soniye) inspite of the numerous scams etc .. all during 2007-10 .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Filmbuff
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Post Number: 1135 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 117.195.214.42
Rating:  Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 02:31 am: |
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Boston_baba:how much of this is PPP??
How does it matter if it is PPP or govt funded. What matters is getting the policies in place, the land acqusition cleanly done, getting financial closures etc etc. That the NDA did. What did the Congress do over the past 8 years - how many kms per day, count cheyandi. Many road projects are not even getting bidders nowadays. Ala undhi paristhithi. India probably was not shining in 2004 but it was certainly brighther after 5 years of NDA than after 8 years of Congress rule. |
   
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Post Number: 10270 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
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Tilak:I guess .. we are now at 136 after 8 years of UPA ..
Sorry .. I stand corrected .. we are at 134 now .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Dada
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Post Number: 1730 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 125.16.128.122
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 02:29 am: |
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Filmbuff: i don't remember seeing any article against the farmer suicides which were not any lesser than the Babu regime.
Exactly.....I have great respect for P.Sainath for what he did pre 2004. And suddenly shifted focus...... In 2008 he even instituted an award for journalism and gave an award to a reporter from Sakshi.....:-) |
   
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Post Number: 10269 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
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quote:It is in these past few years, too, that India slipped from rank 124 to 127 in the Human Development Index of the United Nations Development Programme. That is an index measuring average achievement in terms of "a long and healthy life, knowledge and a decent standard of living." And it shows that you are better off being poor in Botswana, El Salvador, Guatemala or the Occupied Territories of the Palestine - than in India.
I guess .. we are now at 136 after 8 years of UPA .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Filmbuff
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Post Number: 1134 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 117.195.214.42
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 02:27 am: |
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He is a good journalist, but only when he covers rural issues etc. Sometimes he ventures beyond his area of expertise and writes some commie crap on US elections etc on which he is way beyond his depth. But my biggest crib is that he belongs to the left of centre, Congress inclined journalists who abound in India, the NDTV, bleeding heart type. For whatever reason he has been significantly against Babu and during the entire regime of YSR, i don't remember seeing any article against the farmer suicides which were not any lesser than the Babu regime. He has never written anything against the YSR or Jagan corruption too. Moreover, of late, in a couple of articles i have seen absolute false statistics about GDP, per capita incomes to justify his stance on the Babu regime. I have even written to the Hindu editor complaining about this. But they conveniently ignored it. Since then i have been ignoring this biased ass. |
   
Dada
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Post Number: 1729 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 125.16.128.122
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In 2001, these trends, amongst others, forced K.R. Narayanan to make the harshest Republic Day Speech ever heard from a President of India. "It seems, in the social realm, some kind of a counter revolution is taking place... As a society, we are becoming increasingly insensitive and callous... "The unabashed vulgar indulgence in conspicuous consumption by the noveau riche has left the underclass seething... One half of our society guzzles aerated beverages, while the other has to make do with palmfuls of muddied water." Last year in Rayalaseema, I found villagers ashamed to offer me water. It was a filthy, dark brown liquid. Sediment floated around the glass tumbler. However, Coke and Pepsi were easy to get. The soft-drink makers were able to access clean water in the region. But locals could not. In May 2003, some colonies in Hyderabad were getting water once in two or three days. And that for a few hours. At the same time, the government of Andhra Pradesh was supplying clean, processed water to Coke at about 25 paisa a litre. The same stuff that can be resold to you at about 12 rupees a litre in a plastic bottle. |
   
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Post Number: 10268 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
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Boston_baba:how much of this is PPP??
bring on the stats .. all open for a meaningful disco .. also the answers as to why the first 50 years did not manage to build more than 350 kms of 4 lane highways .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Boston_baba
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Post Number: 150 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
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Tilak:more than 10000 kms of 4 lane highways tho infrastructure building chesthe
how much of this is PPP?? |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10267 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
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Nanga nilabadi .. "ho raha Bharat nirmaan" ani 66 years nunchi oke paachipoyina paata paadutonte .. honestly evariki chance ledu .. to disrobe them .. but 2% fiscal deficit tho first govt lo ne financial management ante ento choopinchi .. more than 10000 kms of 4 lane highways tho infrastructure building chesthe .. India shining anakudadu .. fatwa from tehelka crows .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Dada
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Post Number: 1727 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 125.16.128.122
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P.sainath's article which became a rage before the 2004 elections http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2105/stories/200403120078004 00.htm |
   
Dada
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Post Number: 1726 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 125.16.128.122
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India Shining ane vallani battalu oooodatheesaadu..... NDA loss in 2004 ki one of the main reasons - this honest journo.... |
   
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Post Number: 6925 Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 27.6.148.45
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Boston_baba:
anni cover chesaa thammudu.. ty inko saari links ichhinanduku..  |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10263 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.57.75
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One of the very few leftie-journos .. I like .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda |
   
Boston_baba
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Post Number: 143 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 198.175.68.38
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Amara:
He is one of those very few REAL jouranlists. raman megasesey award winner, for being able to draw attention towards rural economy, rural news. very recently, he covered vastly, about monsanto fake achievements/ads abt BT cotton in maharastra, abt farmer suicides, which made govt form a committe, which recommended ban on GM seeds, abt thorough enquiry into GM approval tests so far. He tried to expose low AP GDP growth, agri growth, low literacy, even not so hgh IT growth during babu jamana. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaH9-DUF4so watch it at ur free time, search youtube and wiki for more info. |
   
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Post Number: 6924 Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 27.6.148.45
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sainath oka range lo babu ni aadukunevaadu.... |
   
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Post Number: 9542 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 199.217.117.140
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSJJlOa7wKA Full Documentary : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q6m5NgrCJs --- http://savethering.org/ |