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Bharathi
Comedian Username: Bharathi
Post Number: 1542 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 124.123.223.16
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2012 - 02:35 am: |
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Gurumurthy has a long history of investigating shell companies and allegedly dubious investors, right back to the time he combined forces with Arun Shourie and the late Ramnath Goenka to take on Reliance Industries in the 1980s F THERE WAS A REAL BIG SCAM IN PURTHI gurumurthy would not have put his credit at stake and supported blindly POORI we need to give respect to his PROFESSION AND EXPERIENCE if not to him } |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10083 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.21.25
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2012 - 02:08 am: |
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http://www.tehelka.com/story_main54.asp?filename=Ne241112WHA T.asp
 India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Bharathi
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Post Number: 1530 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 124.123.223.16
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2012 - 12:21 am: |
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money laundering means SOURCE OF MONEY IS NOT KNOWN correctly in PURI case SOURCE OF MONEY IS MEHTA GROUP cleraly known then how this comes under money laundering PAID TV channels should answer |
   
Bharathi
Comedian Username: Bharathi
Post Number: 1529 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 124.123.223.16
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2012 - 12:15 am: |
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regarding PURTI no wrong is done gurumurthy said I READ TEH RELEVANT ARTICLES AND GURUMURTHY ANALYSIS from what little knowledge i have from my accounting degree i also dont find any major scam as in case of VADRA ( getting 350 crores out of air)or dubious dealing getting 5000 crores from 50 lakhs as in case of NATIONAL HERALD regarding gadkari otehr things marrage lavishly done or ajaysancheti etc etc he is not fit to be BJP president and BJP should decide about not continuing him as BJP president in his next tenure ..no imediate resignation needed |
   
Bharathi
Comedian Username: Bharathi
Post Number: 1528 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 124.123.223.16
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 11:29 pm: |
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IN PURTI case there is no money laundering THAT'S WHAT GURUMURTHY TOLD..regarding his other dealings i.e ajaysancheti etc etec gurumurthy said BJP HAS TO TAKE DECISION GURUMOORTHY DID NOT GIVE CLEAN CHIT TO GADKARI IN ALL ISSUES |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10446 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 02:10 pm: |
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Siloan:sodara athiratha maharathulalo susham sodari gang evuru.....please update
Advani, Sushma and other old leaders are a gang.... they want to remove gadkari before Gujarat elections and take over party.... RSS wants gadkari to continue.....all incosequential leaders in RSS,Bjp now fear modi takeover of party after gujarat elections |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10445 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 02:05 pm: |
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Tilak: 8 cr ani evaru chepparu? and how much was spent on sons wedding exactly? ( i know it was lavish and ugly, but dont know the figure of 10s of crores or 100s of Crores)
you should watch Gadkari NDTV interview, he declared on TV.....if not 10's of crores, do you exactly know how much that lavish wedding that ferried hundreds of VIPs in private jets costed?........what's the deal with Ajay sancheti and his love for anshuman shukla? |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10069 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 02:02 pm: |
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Vjavasi:If Bjp feels its president can do money laundering, get investments from contractors
hanged before trial .. chalo then .. me sleeping .. bye .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Siloan
Megastar Username: Siloan
Post Number: 29934 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 02:01 pm: |
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Vjavasi:
sodara athiratha maharathulalo susham sodari gang evuru.....please update http://eenadu.net/news/newsitem.aspx?item=panel&no=3 rock(8557):nenu ekkada nundi chupinchamantav. commonsense thappithe na dhaggara proof emi ledhu. |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10444 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:59 pm: |
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Tilak:while Gadkari is not yet charged officially, neither BJP president post has any constitutional relevance .
If Bjp feels its president can do money laundering, get investments from contractors since its not a constitenutional post...then there is nothing to argue.........even jagan had no constitutional post when he did all those scams |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10443 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:55 pm: |
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Tilak:ok .. there is no point now .. you dont want Purti's MD to explain .. or Gurumurthy .. may be Justice Arnab can help us here ..
o.k you can accept purti MD explanation and give your own clean chit.......who cares |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10067 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:55 pm: |
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Vjavasi:The relavence is when he asked Yeddy to resign, he should also do the same
Yeddy had a chargesheet filed by Lok Ayukta, also he was CM (meaning constitional power unna post) .. while Gadkari is not yet charged officially, neither BJP president post has any constitutional relevance .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10066 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:53 pm: |
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Vjavasi: so now you think explanation from purti MD is credible......
ok .. there is no point now .. you dont want Purti's MD to explain .. or Gurumurthy .. may be Justice Arnab can help us here .. Vjavasi:how could gadkari with just 8cr assets and loss making purthi spent 10's of crores on his sons wedding?
8 cr ani evaru chepparu? and how much was spent on sons wedding exactly? ( i know it was lavish and ugly, but dont know the figure of 10s of crores or 100s of Crores) India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10442 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:53 pm: |
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Tilak:.. adi kuda 10% of project cost (not profits) ante .. asalu accusation kuda kaadu .. we just have to ask the right questions
you and i can't ascertain details, only a proper investigation can do that
Tilak:thats gadkari's mistake. Advani (batting for Ananth Kumar) .. said he will not attend parliament if Yeddy doesnt resign .. Gadkari bowed down to pressure .. whats the relevance now?
The relavence is when he asked Yeddy to resign, he should also do the same |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10441 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:49 pm: |
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Tilak:nenu kinda ichina link chadavandi .. ye banks entha loans ichayi .. ye year lo ichayi .. ye company ki ichayi explain chesadu MD of Purti ..
didn't Mr Gur so now you think explanation from purti MD is credible......o.k tell me something.....how could gadkari with just 8cr assets and loss making purthi spent 10's of crores on his sons wedding? |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10065 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:49 pm: |
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Vjavasi: ante 6 months to 1 yr lopu invest chesthene quid pro quo na?
ala preliminary evidence lekapothe courts kanisam case kuda accept cheyyavu .. after 7-8 years investments .. adi kuda 10% of project cost (not profits) ante .. asalu accusation kuda kaadu .. we just have to ask the right questions .. Vjavasi:mari yeddurappa enduku resign cheyyinchadu gadkari without even quid pro quo
thats gadkari's mistake. Advani (batting for Ananth Kumar) .. said he will not attend parliament if Yeddy doesnt resign .. Gadkari bowed down to pressure .. whats the relevance now? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10064 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:42 pm: |
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Vjavasi:how do you know this without investigation?
nenu kinda ichina link chadavandi .. ye banks entha loans ichayi .. ye year lo ichayi .. ye company ki ichayi explain chesadu MD of Purti .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10440 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:42 pm: |
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Tilak:take jagan case .. or 2g case .. so and so date na .. licenses icharu/projects awarded .. within 6months to 1 year .. a particular % of that amount flows back in .. thats clear case of quid-pro-quo .. mari Gadkari case lo alage unnaya .. you know better ..
ante 6 months to 1 yr lopu invest chesthene quid pro quo na?.......mari yeddurappa enduku resign cheyyinchadu gadkari without even quid pro quo |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10439 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:40 pm: |
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Tilak:evari daggara shares unnayo kuda teliyakunda 19 parts "expose" cheyyadama? money laundering is when money flows in from unknown locations, purti lo ki anni govt banks, govts orgs dwara ne vachindi cash
how do you know this without investigation? |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10062 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:35 pm: |
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Vjavasi:there is preliminary evidence of quid pro quo and money laundering into Gadkari companies.......
what is that preliminary evidence? asalu evaru invest chesaro .. evari daggara shares unnayo kuda teliyakunda 19 parts "expose" cheyyadama? money laundering is when money flows in from unknown locations, purti lo ki anni govt banks, govts orgs dwara ne vachindi cash .. thats not considered laundering .. with some due diligence, any one can trace that .. but the media didnt .. not strange .. but we unable to explain quid pro quo is .. take jagan case .. or 2g case .. so and so date na .. licenses icharu/projects awarded .. within 6months to 1 year .. a particular % of that amount flows back in .. thats clear case of quid-pro-quo .. mari Gadkari case lo alage unnaya .. you know better .. Vjavasi:play politics claiming to be a professional
giving out his findings, is politics? had he asked no one else should investigate now? no right? then i dont see a problem .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10438 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:26 pm: |
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Vjavasi:even to this day he didn't gave questions
he didn't gave answers ani chaduvukondi |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10437 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:25 pm: |
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Tilak:ofcourse they do .. to establish quid pro quo .. you have to establish that a favor was done for Rs X and Rs Y were kickbacks/bribes, along with the timelines. 1995-99 lo 100 crores projects ichadu ani .. taravata eppudo 3-4 years taravata oka 20 crores invest chestara? (even if we accept ur accusation of investments in year 2000) .. Btw, Purti started in 2000, and till 2004 .. it was very very small .. see how the investments came in ..
look i don't have to investigate purti group, neither i am the authority or competent person to do that.........there is preliminary evidence of quid pro quo and money laundering into Gadkari companies.......even to this day he didn't gave questions on his business dealings to public......he has to be investigated by competent authority and he is open for it.......in the meanwhile Gurumurthy has no business to give clean chit and play politics claiming to be a professional |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10436 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:17 pm: |
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Tilak:he will never be PM, so what?
what's your point here....i replied to your question
Tilak:Gurumurthy wrote only 2 columns over Gadkari issue, AFAIK. Also he does write a column, one every week on avg in Indian Express. I read his columns on Robert Vadra and Rahul Gandhi (National Herald scam) recently
check his latest column |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10061 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:15 pm: |
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Vjavasi:one can argue what's wrong with Vadra if DLF gave him loan....what's wrong with vadra if haryana govt clears land deals
yeah .. nothing is wrong if DLF gave such loans to others, beyond Vadra. Nothing is wrong if Haryana govt shows atleast 1 such land-conversion transaction in the last 60 years, which was cleared in 12 days of application. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10060 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:14 pm: |
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Vjavasi:it doesn't matter whether it's 2000 or 2012 those investments have to be investigated
ofcourse they do .. to establish quid pro quo .. you have to establish that a favor was done for Rs X and Rs Y were kickbacks/bribes, along with the timelines. 1995-99 lo 100 crores projects ichadu ani .. taravata eppudo 3-4 years taravata oka 20 crores invest chestara? (even if we accept ur accusation of investments in year 2000) .. Btw, Purti started in 2000, and till 2004 .. it was very very small .. see how the investments came in .. http://smartinvestor.business-standard.com/market/Marketnews -142268-Marketnewsdet-We_are_not_the_demons_we_are_made_out_ to_be.htm India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10435 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:12 pm: |
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Tilak:Vadra ki .. DLF ee money ichi .. DLF lands ee konukkune laa chesi .. vaatiki govt conversions vadra chesi .. tirigi DLF ki ammesadu .. all this happened from 2008 to 2011 .. and Vadra benefitted 350 crores for nothing, except changing the land from agricultural to residential, with in 12 days.
one can argue what's wrong with Vadra if DLF gave him loan....what's wrong with vadra if haryana govt clears land deals |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10059 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:10 pm: |
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Vjavasi: why should i be bothered, will gadkari become PM with his clean chits?
he will never be PM, so what? Vjavasi:he lost his face with his unsolicited clean chits and now writing columns every alternative day to save his reputation
Gurumurthy wrote only 2 columns over Gadkari issue, AFAIK. Also he does write a column, one every week on avg in Indian Express. I read his columns on Robert Vadra and Rahul Gandhi (National Herald scam) recently. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10434 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:07 pm: |
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Tilak:and they invested some 20 crores in his company in 2004? logical?
your info is wrong...the investments started in 2000...it doesn't matter whether it's 2000 or 2012 those investments have to be investigated |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10433 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:06 pm: |
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Tilak:An accomplished CA. Why does his clean chit bother you? He did not ask the govt to stop investigating into the firms. Infact he challenged, over these transactions, find a legal case. And lets see if RoC is game.
why should i be bothered, will gadkari become PM with his clean chits?.....he lost his face with his unsolicited clean chits and now writing columns every alternative day to save his reputation |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10058 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 01:04 pm: |
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everyone should read this .. http://smartinvestor.business-standard.com/market/Marketnews -142268-Marketnewsdet-We_are_not_the_demons_we_are_made_out_ to_be.htm India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10054 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:52 pm: |
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Vjavasi:then wait for them....who is gurumurthy to give clean chits?
An accomplished CA. Why does his clean chit bother you? He did not ask the govt to stop investigating into the firms. Infact he challenged, over these transactions, find a legal case. And lets see if RoC is game. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10053 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:50 pm: |
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Vjavasi:Then there is nothing wrong in what Robert vadra did also.......immediately after he left govt Gadkari received investments from his contractors that smacks quid pro quo........some dubious third party owns majority stake in his group via shell companies
Asalu Vadra case ki .. Gadkari case ki sambandam ledu .. Vadra ki .. DLF ee money ichi .. DLF lands ee konukkune laa chesi .. vaatiki govt conversions vadra chesi .. tirigi DLF ki ammesadu .. all this happened from 2008 to 2011 .. and Vadra benefitted 350 crores for nothing, except changing the land from agricultural to residential, with in 12 days. Gadkari - was minister only till 1999 and the supposed investments from IRB came in 2004 .. Gadkari gave some 100 crores worth projects to IRB in 1995-99 (and they won awards for quality on this work) and they invested some 20 crores in his company in 2004? logical? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10432 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:50 pm: |
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Tilak:yes, no one took away that right from the official investigating agencies, right?
then wait for them....who is gurumurthy to give clean chits? |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10431 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:49 pm: |
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Rajusk: CA is final authority..for accounting ..even IT dept accepths that... only catch is.. fraud doubts vasthe...another CA firm does the Audit again.. CA anna vallu golmal chestaru..to save taxes or whatever..but there is no higher authority than them ani septhunna
AFAIK CAs can just audit....they can't decide how and what to investigate, they can assist an investigator but have no investigating authority |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10430 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:45 pm: |
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Tilak:I dont see any wrong. The people who invested are not shady or terrorists .. there is no reason why such investments should not be accepted. And even if they were contractors, is there any report that says that the contractors were benefited (windfall gains) for their works? If not, why would any contractor do such a "huge favor" of investing in Gadkari managed firms after 5-9 years ..
Then there is nothing wrong in what Robert vadra did also.......immediately after he left govt Gadkari received investments from his contractors that smacks quid pro quo........some dubious third party owns majority stake in his group via shell companies |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 24248 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.125.79.36
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:42 pm: |
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Vjavasi:CA is not an authority or official to give clean chits.....only an investigation by an independent investigation agency can do that..... CAs gave clean chits to Satyam and numerous other frauds
CA is final authority..for accounting ..even IT dept accepths that... only catch is.. fraud doubts vasthe...another CA firm does the Audit again.. CA anna vallu golmal chestaru..to save taxes or whatever..but there is no higher authority than them ani septhunna |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10050 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:41 pm: |
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Vjavasi:only an investigation by an independent investigation agency can do that.....
yes, no one took away that right from the official investigating agencies, right? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10429 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:38 pm: |
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Rajusk: janalu antha kashtapadi CA pass ayyede ..valla paina Authority undakoodadani..they are considered final signing authority..on the balance sheets etc.. mee logic/quechen ardham kaale
CA is not an authority or official to give clean chits.....only an investigation by an independent investigation agency can do that..... CAs gave clean chits to Satyam and numerous other frauds |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10049 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:38 pm: |
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Vjavasi:Gadkari on TV said he can accept investments from anybody including NDTV when asked about investments from his former contractors.....
I dont see any wrong. The people who invested are not shady or terrorists .. there is no reason why such investments should not be accepted. And even if they were contractors, is there any report that says that the contractors were benefited (windfall gains) for their works? If not, why would any contractor do such a "huge favor" of investing in Gadkari managed firms after 5-9 years .. didnt you think about all these questions? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Anand_n
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Post Number: 12425 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:35 pm: |
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Vjavasi: i have my right to question his clean chits.....
Agree - but your posts were not questioning the validity of his findings - just who is he to give a clean chit.. If you see gaps in his data or have reasons to believe he compromised his integrity - that's a different debate.. Endorsement can be motivated by a myriad reasons - I am not supporting his take, just his right to give an opinion The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10048 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
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And regarding driver, astrologer being directors. Purti group was asked to nominate someone on their behalf and so they went for someone they know they can trust and is accessible to them always. That happens with a lot of small businesses in India. Purti group is valued at Rs 500 crores in total. It has almost 200 crores loans on its books. Also they have payments worth 400 crores. Which is why they are making losses, and are in the red. More than 20,000 farmers are selling their produce to Purti group!!! http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/purti-changed-ou r-lives-say-farmers/491913/ http://smartinvestor.business-standard.com/market/Marketnews -142268-Marketnewsdet-We_are_not_the_demons_we_are_made_out_ to_be.htm must read .. specially the second link .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
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Post Number: 10428 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:32 pm: |
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Tilak: 1) you have only heard what the media put out .. 2) you chose to believe only their version ..
what media?.......Gadkari on TV said he can accept investments from anybody including NDTV when asked about investments from his former contractors.....he never contended any of those charges on TV |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 24246 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.125.79.36
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:30 pm: |
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Vjavasi:if he has right to give his clean chits without any authority
janalu antha kashtapadi CA pass ayyede ..valla paina Authority undakoodadani..they are considered final signing authority..on the balance sheets etc.. mee logic/quechen ardham kaale |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10427 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:27 pm: |
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Anand_n:Gurumurthy has a right to express his opinion and as an accountant he said the books are clean - what is so wrong in that ?
if he has right to give his clean chits without any authority then i have my right to question his clean chits....... |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10047 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:25 pm: |
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Vjavasi:this Gadkari guy gets investment from his former contractors as minister......was silent about his shady companies for weeks......never took up the name of this mehata group which apparently owns majority stake in his companies.....
that means .. 1) you have only heard what the media put out .. 2) you chose to believe only their version .. Thats very unusual from you .. anyways .. here is what I understood from Gurumurthy's article .. 1) Gadkari was minister during 1995-99. In 1995, Ideal Road Builders order book with Govt of MH is 41 crores. In 1999, IRB had orders worth Rs 67 crores. Which is around 60% growth in 4 years. There is nothing unusual about it. 2) Also Gadkari as the minister was the first in the country to introduce transparent electronic bidding process to select firms for contracts. 3) IRB through Mehta group invested in Purti group only in 2003-04, which is a good 4-5 years after Gadkari ceased to be a minister. No where in the world is a "bribe" given after 5-9 years after supposed favors are done. 4) IRB's work was much appreciated and infact Govt of Guj, Govt of MP, Govt of India gave huge orders to the firm - after seeing their work in MH. 5) Mehta group did not "directly buy" their stake in Purti Group. They brought it from some others who owed them money. They took this stake in exchange and chose to invest through faceless companies. 6) IRB's 140 crore loan to Purti group was being paid 14% interest (more than bank/market rates) regularly for the last 4 quarters - good time before the "media expose". So it is not a cover up. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
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Post Number: 10426 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:13 pm: |
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Rajusk:ayana professional integrity ni ippati daaka evaru quechen seyyaled...meeru enduk sesthunnar anedi samajh avvatled
questions have to be raised on this.........this Gadkari guy gets investment from his former contractors as minister......was silent about his shady companies for weeks......never took up the name of this mehata group which apparently owns majority stake in his companies......suddenly Gurumurthy comes up with a report on mehata group dealings.....a CA report doesn't mean questions can't be raised on Gadkari shady business dealings |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10045 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:10 pm: |
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Vjavasi:what is this?
"As a professional I have cleared NG of wrong doing. It is a clean chit. Why not the pursuers of truth read out or say what I have written" ok .. I stand corrected .. but do you have a problem with his study into the case? did he not do his job well? have issues with that? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
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Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:07 pm: |
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Vjavasi: what is this?
Your reaction is strange What are you concerned about ? Gurumurthy has a right to express his opinion and as an accountant he said the books are clean - what is so wrong in that ? Are you questioning his integrity or the intent of BJP in getting Gurumoorthy to validate ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10425 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:04 pm: |
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Tilak: and more over i explained you he did not give a clean chit .. in my opinion .. he just put out his opinion
what is this? https://twitter.com/sgurumurthy/status/268621975201656832 |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10044 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 11:54 am: |
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Vjavasi:if he has interest in Bjp affairs, then he is not qualified to give clean chits as a CA....
thats weird .. and more over i explained you he did not give a clean chit .. in my opinion .. he just put out his opinion .. and if his enormous credibility helps Gadkari and RSS wade a crisis and show the truth .. thats good "guru" dakshina to RSS .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 24238 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.125.79.37
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 11:52 am: |
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Vjavasi:he can be either professional independent CA or a partisan in Bjp internal affairs....not both
ayana professional integrity ni ippati daaka evaru quechen seyyaled...meeru enduk sesthunnar anedi samajh avvatled |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10424 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 11:43 am: |
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Tilak:No .. he doesnt .. thats bcoz he doesnt have interest in other politicians or parties .. while he does for bjp .. simple .. is that wrong?
if he has interest in Bjp affairs, then he is not qualified to give clean chits as a CA....he can be either professional independent CA or a partisan in Bjp internal affairs....not both |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10043 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.164.32
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 11:35 am: |
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Vjavasi: Does Gurumurthy offer his services to Robert vadra and all other politicians...
No .. he doesnt .. thats bcoz he doesnt have interest in other politicians or parties .. while he does for bjp .. simple .. is that wrong? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10423 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 11:13 am: |
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Rajusk:As a professional CA..he just said..there are no Accounting Malpractices...
Does Gurumurthy offer his services to Robert vadra and all other politicians...he is not gadkari CA........Gakari even failed to answer elementary questions on TV........Then after weeks Gurumurthy come up with Gadkari defense |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 24233 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.125.79.36
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 10:43 am: |
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Vjavasi:who is Gurumurthy to give a clean chit to Gadkari...is he an investigation official
As a professional CA..he just said..there are no Accounting Malpractices... he also commented..basic Accounting principles kooda check cheyyakonda..Media kaakigola chesi..Gadkari vunkul ni badnam chesindi ani...ayana clarify sesad. ayana ..report sesindi emaina tappu unte..basthi me savaal annadu... on whose request/orders he did that..may be RSS top vargam or BJP vargam ...not sure.. |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10420 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 10:26 am: |
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Thikka_sankara:then why did you make the below statment
that's my view as a political observer.....who is Gurumurthy to give a clean chit to Gadkari...is he an investigation official or a party official? |
   
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Post Number: 2770 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.164.209.35
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 10:21 am: |
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Vjavasi:
antee ayaanaa edo case study chesi chepthnnaa antunnadu... manam media choosi cheptunnam.... evari version ki ekkuva credibility ivvalo.... kikiki anyway.... then why did you make the below statment Vjavasi:RSS or gurumurthy has no business in giving clean chits to gadkari
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Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10418 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 10:18 am: |
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Thikka_sankara: whats wrong if guru murthy gives clean chit to gadkari??? if you dont care abt who is guru murthy what diff would it show???? evado edo vaaguthunnadu ani lite teeskochu kadaa.... if gadkari is trying to show some endorsement from some unknown without any credibility.... why do you have to worry???
i don't care what gurumurthy says.....just saying he was on the wrong side in Gadkari episode and lost whatever credibility he has |
   
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Post Number: 2768 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.164.209.35
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 10:13 am: |
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Vjavasi:
whats wrong if guru murthy gives clean chit to gadkari??? if you dont care abt who is guru murthy what diff would it show???? evado edo vaaguthunnadu ani lite teeskochu kadaa.... if gadkari is trying to show some endorsement from some unknown without any credibility.... why do you have to worry??? Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10416 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.98.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 10:10 am: |
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Tilak:They just tried to understand the allegations and explained to the world what they understood and if that amounts to giving a clean chit .. thats a poor understanding.
Gurumurthy repetedly gave clean chit to gadkari on twitter....look at his TL....he deleted some tweets of his clean chit later |
   
Bharathi
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Post Number: 1521 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 124.123.223.16
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 05:19 am: |
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no wrong in gurumurthy explaining teh accounting issues BUT GADKARI IS NOT A GUY FIT TO BE BJP PRESIDENT GADKARI DID NOT DO ANY WRONG IN PURI company holdings as per ACCOUNTING RULES..thats true gurumurthy explained it ..it's up to the govt to prove if gadkari did any wrong now POLITICALLY IS GADKARI FIT TO BE BJP PRESIDENT OR NOT RSS AND BJP have to decide that's what gurumurthy inferred |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10037 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.241.120.221
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 03:55 am: |
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Vjavasi:RSS or gurumurthy has no business in giving clean chits to gadkari...
no disagreements, but the fact is no one gave a clean chit to anyone. They just tried to understand the allegations and explained to the world what they understood and if that amounts to giving a clean chit .. thats a poor understanding. Gadkari is still standing for a trial and that explains the due process followed .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10036 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.241.120.221
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 03:53 am: |
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Vjavasi:why can't gadkari who gives TV interviews twice a month couldn't explain his position?
understanding and explaining accounts or share holding patterns is a specialized skill. And him being a politician, he may choose to give TV interviews, they are discrete and not necessarily related. Vjavasi:RSS made a huge blunder by imposing this sub-provincial politician over bjp....they have to take the blame and payfor this gadkari nonsense
it may be a blunder and for that let them pay whatever they have to, but RSS has every right to protect its honor and existence .. and they did what they should have .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10404 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.20.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 02:34 pm: |
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Tilak: not everyone explains their own issues in media
why can't gadkari who gives TV interviews twice a month couldn't explain his position? This is an issue related to bjp, RSS or gurumurthy has no business in giving clean chits to gadkari....RSS made a huge blunder by imposing this sub-provincial politician over bjp....they have to take the blame and payfor this gadkari nonsense
Tilak:His duty is to RSS .. He simply helped Gadkari explain the issue .. nothing wrong with it .
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Tilak
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Post Number: 10032 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.37.171
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 01:51 pm: |
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Vjavasi:what's his duty?....was he a gadkari CA.......Gadkari fails to answer questions even after weeks....then Gurumurthy comes up with his gadkari defense
His duty is to RSS .. He simply helped Gadkari explain the issue .. nothing wrong with it .. not everyone explains their own issues in media .. some ppl employ lawyers .. Gurumurthy helped RSS wade a crisis .. how does that amount to failing? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10403 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.20.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 01:43 pm: |
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Tilak:he did not interfere .. he only did his duty ..
what's his duty?....was he a gadkari CA.......Gadkari fails to answer questions even after weeks....then Gurumurthy comes up with his gadkari defense |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10031 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.37.171
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 01:28 pm: |
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Vjavasi:no business interfering in their matters
he did not interfere .. he only did his duty .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10402 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.188.20.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 01:25 pm: |
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Gurumurthy lost it on Gadkari.....if he wants to remain independent of Bjp he has no business interfering in their matters |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 24217 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.125.79.37
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 01:23 pm: |
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Bunty717:itnaaa Reliance wrong doings ni expose chesindi
saaru..oka Living Legend...anthe... |
   
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Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 01:22 pm: |
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super undi interview..itnaaa Reliance wrong doings ni expose chesindi.. itanu role Maddy kurrod play chesedu.. GURU lo andariki golden heart PK telusu.. naaku KF telusu.. |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 10029 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.62.37.171
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 01:01 pm: |
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Perfect example of what RSS does to you .. Ideal Swayamsewaks .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 24215 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.125.79.37
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 12:50 pm: |
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http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-s-gurumur thy-the-man-who-gave-gadkari-a-clean-chit/20121120.htm good read...great work Sir !!! waiting for the 2nd part.. |