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Indiarocks:

Democracy ni people saasinchaka evaru saasistaru?




ok annai.....
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Chakkera_keli:

people are gorrelu annai.... dictatorship, democracy, feudalism etini saasinchaleru.....

leaders like gandhi need to be born to bring revolution and change to the society and countries.....




Democracy ni people saasinchaka evaru saasistaru?

Gandhi ippudu pudithe evadu dekhadu emo.
What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Indiarocks:

And remember, we even have a constitution bcoz of good leadership in those times.




yes. constitution created by founding fathers. constitution ni protect cheyalsindi kuda good leadership.

people are gorrelu annai.... dictatorship, democracy, feudalism etini saasinchaleru.....

leaders like gandhi need to be born to bring revolution and change to the society and countries.....
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Chakkera_keli:

democracy ni protect chesedi constitution not people annai......




Judiciary ni, judges ni nominate chesedi evaru?

Constitution is just a book, a non living thing. It is up to the politicans/Govt to make sure that it is not violated.

And remember, we even have a constitution bcoz of good leadership in those times.
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Dada:

Yes. For that the entire judiciary needs to be honest - looking tha volume of the crimes done by our elected reps.....But in the last 4-5 years we are seeing increased activism from the judiciary - and the honest judges are over burdened with the sheer volume of cases




lets hope for the best... i am not expecting miracles.... but lets see indian judiciary system can show strong progress in 20 years....
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if judiciary has done a good job then more than 50% of MPs would be in Jail or not eligible to an MP




Yes. For that the entire judiciary needs to be honest - looking tha volume of the crimes done by our elected reps.....But in the last 4-5 years we are seeing increased activism from the judiciary - and the honest judges are over burdened with the sheer volume of cases
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Dada:

Congress and BJP in Ambani's POCKET




inkaa entha mandi unnaro
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Dada:

I disagree :-)

Our judiciary has infact done a lot of good in the recent past. all the judges might not be honest - But judiciary all said and done has done a good job




if judiciary has done a good job then more than 50% of MPs would be in Jail or not eligible to an MP
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Indiarocks:

Idem logic vayya. Judiciary ekkadi nundi vastundi? Judiciary sariga pani cheyali anna it depends on elected politicians.

Executive system aa? Only elected people have the executed power in a democracy.

Final gaa desanni naakinchedi prathi loafer gadiki vote vesi/ or vote veyakunda intlo koorchune janale.




democracy ni protect chesedi constitution not people annai......
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It is the people who can control both the politician who in turn can control the corporate.

However today - Corporate controls the politician who in turn is controlling the people.
Persons like J.M Lyngdoh are almost silent today....because even when they speak no one listens to them.
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In the recent issue of Tehalka - there was an article about a village in Maharashtra - where the people took a voluntary decision that they will lect thier sarpanch without any political parties' support.
They unanimously elected a young man (no longer young) and 25 years later - still no political party dares to enter that village for the sarpanch elections.
One of the most prosperous villages in India.

Ofcourse - they have debates - they decide which govt scheme to implement - which not to implement etc...but everything done by the people....Imagine even if 1000 villages in a state follow this model!!!

AP has approx 13000 Villages.
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Chakkera_keli:

blame the judiciary system




I disagree :-)

Our judiciary has infact done a lot of good in the recent past. all the judges might not be honest - But judiciary all said and done has done a good job
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Dada:

But then absolving the citizen who takes money and votes is also shifting the blame.....

Good candidates (environmentalists etc) are not even getting deposits - even educated people are not voting for them.
So who is to blame?



Indiarocks:

Final gaa desanni naakinchedi prathi loafer gadiki vote vesi/ or vote veyakunda intlo koorchune janale.



What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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You are right - But then absolving the citizen who takes money and votes is also shifting the blame.....

Good candidates (environmentalists etc) are not even getting deposits - even educated people are not voting for them.
So who is to blame?

I would say - Citizen - POlitician - Corporate..... An interlinked wheel - one does not exist without the other......

In an ideal world - we can expect the politician to suddenly become honest.....
And when that does not happen - the Citizen has to put pressure on the Politician and elect the correct politician...who in turn will not be brought over by the corporate
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Chakkera_keli:

and also dont blame people for electing the tainted leadership...... blame the judiciary system and executive system by forgiving the tainted leadership.....




Idem logic vayya. Judiciary ekkadi nundi vastundi? Judiciary sariga pani cheyali anna it depends on elected politicians.

Executive system aa? Only elected people have the executed power in a democracy.

Final gaa desanni naakinchedi prathi loafer gadiki vote vesi/ or vote veyakunda intlo koorchune janale.
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Dada:

Everyone wants to make money - But How will they do it - there are certain guidelines....and corporates like TATAS, HDFC,Kirloskar etc do not cross the line 50% of the time.
Some corporates cross the line 99% of the time.




policy making, governance evari control lo untadi??

legislative and executive and judiciary bodies untadi......

corporates ki undavu... anosram ga aaallani involve chestunnav annai....

thread title correct gane undi... you are blaming the ruling coalition and opposition coalition......

and also dont blame people for electing the tainted leadership...... blame the judiciary system and executive system by forgiving the tainted leadership.....
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Dada:




School pillodiki thappu cheste gatti punishment iste next time thappu cheyadu. Ala kakunda thappu cheste naaku oka 1k ivvu choosi choodanattu vadilesta ante thappu cheddamane choostadu.

Ikkada responsibility teacher di. Teacher ni blame chestama, student naa?

Same applies to corporates/citizens - leaders. Leaders ni oorikine annama vallani. Thappu jaragakunda choose modati badhyata vallade.

Vallaki power ichindi anduke kada?
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Chakkera_keli:

it is their priority to make more money




Everyone wants to make money - But How will they do it - there are certain guidelines....and corporates like TATAS, HDFC,Kirloskar etc do not cross the line 50% of the time.
Some corporates cross the line 99% of the time.

POliticians - A honest voter will give you an Honest politician.

So this is all a closed loop. - No point blaming one entity - Corporates - Politicians - People...all are in the game

People ante ALL people ani kaadhu...
corporates ante ALL corporates ani kaadhu
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Pulibidda:

no escape for yellow mafia from ambani fanism .. inspite of him eating laks of crores .. double standards ..



yellow or palegandlu ....no escape....
happies?
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no escape




no escape for yellow mafia from ambani fanism .. inspite of him eating laks of crores .. double standards ..


Jana Netha Jagan. Jana Hridaya Netha Sharmila.
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True. We cannot blame corporates. The onus is on the politician, and the final say is with him.

So it is up to people whether they will vote for parties taking crores from corporates like Reliance, and spending that money to come back into power.
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Dada:

one hand is Corporates like reliance




i dont agreee- reliance influence chestadi. it is their priority to make more money. legislator job is in full control of policy making......

blame legislator fully.....
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Dada:

India would have benefitted hugely had companies like Schlumberger, Cairn India (before Vedanta take over) had been allotted the KG basin.
They might not be 100% honest - they are after all corporates made up by human beings - and no human being can be honest.




national companies ki importance ivvali annai..... daantlo tappu kanipiyatam ledu....
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Chakkera_keli:

legislators has to do their due diligence while considering lobbysts information....




Yeah....Ofcourse - I the legislators were firm maybe the policy formulation by the corporates would only been Corporate influencing....

But then it takes two hands to clap - one hand is Corporates like reliance - the other is Politicians
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Pulibidda:

wrong thread




nee comedy ni shriya tengah.......LOL
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Right through the press meet, IAC alleged that Reliance Industries was favoured in the structuring of the deal and in the modifications that were made thereafter. Kejriwal cited the CAG report on the KG basin deal and alleged that the motivated structuring of the contract between Reliance Industries and the government could cost the exchequer up to Rs 1 lakh crore
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Dada:

However Corporates dictating Policy for thier individual benefit - detrimental to the larger society is crony capitalism




in modern day you call it lobbying........

big problem with us is we are trying to point fingers at the wrong people. dont point fingers at corporates. that is their job to lobby.

legislators has to do their due diligence while considering lobbysts information....
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wrong thread
Jana Netha Jagan. Jana Hridaya Netha Sharmila.
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chithakkottessssaru security vaaallu protestors ni ..

security musugulo kontha mandhi MB sontha manushulu koodaaa diginattu unnaaaaru ... looks like clear instructions from MB not to spare anyone ..


Jana Netha Jagan. Jana Hridaya Netha Sharmila.
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India would have benefitted hugely had companies like Schlumberger, Cairn India (before Vedanta take over) had been allotted the KG basin.
They might not be 100% honest - they are after all corporates made up by human beings - and no human being can be honest.

But at least they would not have circumvented the system and changed the laws to suit them
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Chakkera_keli:

if a common man looks at capitalism......capitalism is always crony....




NO - This perception is not correct :-)
take germany, Sweden, Norway, New Zealand as examples....Corporates influence policy making - for the larger good and a few short term gains....and we need to live with that.

However Corporates dictating Policy for thier individual benefit - detrimental to the larger society is crony capitalism
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Pulibidda:

hoping that the law of averages will soon catch up .



no escape
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Dada:

And this is NOT capitalism - this is Crony capitalism




if a common man looks at capitalism......capitalism is always crony....

take any country top contracts are always given to biggest companies.....

one in one crore companies become biggest companies...... thats the reality....

let move on.....
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Jagamondi_2014:

if the same follies are done by the another company it would have been deep fried by now.




Birlas have been knows to do this - maybe not to this extent.
Modis was a horrible group - One of my class mate there was a Accountant. When they got news of an impending IT raid, the Accountant offerred to clean up all the files.
However the big Modi smiled, and made a few phone calls - and the IT raid was a formality

Every corporate - legal house - they influence policy making and Reliance dictates policy making.....
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hoping that the law of averages will soon catch up ..
Jana Netha Jagan. Jana Hridaya Netha Sharmila.
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The worst offenders are from the Real Estate lobby - DLF, Ansals etc....in Mumbai, Gurgaon etc.....
Even small real Estate business men in Ap are funding MLAs and thier families for trips abroad - to Dubai Shopping festival etc - so that the MLAs do not change the existing laws which encourages benami transactions in land transfers
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I think reliance's arrogance has caught the imagination of the corporate world how they are able to get with everything and anything. if the same follies are done by the another company it would have been deep fried by now.
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The IAC played out an audio tape purportedly of talks between lobbyist Niira Radia and former PM A B Vajpayee's foster son-in-law Ranjan Bhattacharya.

In the tapes, Radia and Bhattacharya were heard talking about the composition of the Union ministry.

Kejriawal said that both Congress and BJP were helpless against Reliance Industries chairman Mukesh Ambani. In 2000, the NDA had favoured Mukesh Ambani's Reliance in gas pricing, Kejriwal said.

Kejriwal said that Mukesh Ambani was interfering with ministerial appointments. Jaipal Reddy was replaced with Veerappa Moily as oil minister to increase gas prices, the IAC activist said.
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Not just reliance - We would be trivialising the matter if we focus on only reliance - But Corporate funding has reached such levels that political decisions and economic policies are formulated based on the inputs given by corporates.

Opinions can be taken - but thier word is becoming the policy.....

And this is NOT capitalism - this is Crony capitalism
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http://www.rediff.com/news/report/reliance-firm-bags-rs-1000 -cr-deal-to-install-cctvs-in-mumbai/20120709.htm
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http://www.indiastrategic.in/topstories1357_Rafale_partners_ with_Reliance.htm

Details are not known but Dassault confirmed the agreement with the Mumbai-based Mukesh Ambani-led Indian conglomerate. It was signed a week or so after the Government announced the Rafale as the winner in the Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) fray Jan 31.


Any such venture has to be cleared by the Government and several procedural and security clearances would be needed in due course as Reliance gets into the technology induction and manufacturing process.
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 12:53 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Shebhash Kejriwal......

Forget the Vadra disclosures.....Forget Gadkari..... every individual is corrupt....

A person does not follow the traffic rules and when accosted by the Police, is ready to bribe the constable.

A government employee (Aam Aadmi) ready to expedite a file for money.

A politician always ready to protect those who rules for money....

BUT TODAY - you spoke the UNIVERSAL TRUTH...the politician - corporate nexus....hats off to you

REAL CORRUPTION LIES IN POLICY FORMULATION......AND YOU FINALLY BROUGHT IT INTO THE LIMELIGHT.....

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