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Thelegend
Moderator Username: Thelegend
Post Number: 19811 Registered: 04-2008
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 02:24 pm: |
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walmart laanti vaatini US lo kooda lot of people hate it, atlaane India lo kooda anukundhaam |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 11423 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 02:21 pm: |
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Indiarocks:Did we fail to introduce the manufacturing potential of India to the world by being late in opening FDI for retail, and let China occupy that slot?
What Walmart India CEO says about this -
quote:Wal-Mart has been sourcing from India for around 10 years. How significant is India in terms of a sourcing base for Wal-Mart? Jain: We have been sourcing from India for several years now. India is traditionally good at gems, jewelry, cotton, textiles, home products, etc. Our belief is that India has a much bigger potential than we are currently tapping. Once FDI opens and we get to know our supply base in India well, we can probably quadruple our sourcing from India because once we open more stores, we will get to know a lot more suppliers, we will develop them to international standards and then we can introduce those suppliers to our global sourcing
What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Indiarocks
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Post Number: 11422 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 02:20 pm: |
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Getafix:Franchising in fast food business is viable kani mom and pop stores lo franchising - adi in desam is very tough.. 7-11 vadu franchising chesi only franchise costs tesukunta anna kuda nobody will come fwd.. leka 7-11 vaade store ki inventory and logistics chusukunta anukunna - loss ye because of unbranded products getting the first oppurtunity of sale over 7-11 inventory.
future group started this already, may be a different model, kinda news ichanu. And kirana owners are also upbeat..we'll have to see how it goes What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Getafix
Hero Username: Getafix
Post Number: 11246 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 02:10 pm: |
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Filmbuff:I will not be too surprised to see a 7-11 or some chain open up operations in India. They can play the aggregator and tie up with existing stores across towns. They just provide the branding, infrastructure, goods and the existing owner can become the franchisee.
Franchising in fast food business is viable kani mom and pop stores lo franchising - adi in desam is very tough.. 7-11 vadu franchising chesi only franchise costs tesukunta anna kuda nobody will come fwd.. leka 7-11 vaade store ki inventory and logistics chusukunta anukunna - loss ye because of unbranded products getting the first oppurtunity of sale over 7-11 inventory. In US - franchising is big and viable as the owner will pay franchise fee and good will cost as well. Good will - cost for using the chain's brand image.. desam lo intha range accounting practices raaledu anukuntunna.. okavela unna manollu veazy ga tinkering chestharu. |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 11421 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 02:01 pm: |
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Filmbuff:Interesting, i did not know that. You will see this happen in droves. It is not like that the corner stores have a great brand name, they are just identified by their owner. The owner will be more than happy to give up some of these rights, and get some good branding, marketing support, cleaner supply chain etc.
True. And most corner stores in the lower income areas operate on credit for the customer. Something the supermarkets, or franchises cannot offer. 50% of the FDI investment has to be in backend infra, supply chains etc. Counting this, do you think there will be net job creation, or net job loss with FDI? Did we fail to introduce the manufacturing potential of India to the world by being late in opening FDI for retail, and let China occupy that slot? What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Filmbuff
Junior Artist Username: Filmbuff
Post Number: 706 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 203.83.248.37
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:55 pm: |
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Indiarocks:
Interesting, i did not know that. You will see this happen in droves. It is not like that the corner stores have a great brand name, they are just identified by their owner. The owner will be more than happy to give up some of these rights, and get some good branding, marketing support, cleaner supply chain etc. |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 8946 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.184.30.186
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:54 pm: |
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Filmbuff:I think their first competition is going to be with the big Indian retail guys like Big Bazaars, More, Reliance Fresh, etc. In fact you will see many of the guys try to preempt the competition by tying up with international giants like a target, tesco. Anyway most of the Indian chains are bleeding and are eager to seek out partners. I think the value proposition of these chains is quite different from the corner stores. They offer greater SKUs, better prices, nicer shopping environment, entertainment options etc etc. But unlike the west, here driving out to reach these areas, even if they are just a 1-2 kms away is a pain in India. I would rather go to my corner store every day, even though their prices are higher. I might go to these larger stores once a fortnight or month. So the corner store will still have a great time and distance proposition which is tough to match. In the days of rising fuel prices, sometimes proximity is cheaper than low prices.
I donno if you read Walmart-India CEOs statement today, but in anycase .. India lo "Hypermarts" kakunda .. "neighborhood stores which are 2000-3000 sft" model lo open chestamu ani cheppadu .. that means .. almost even colony will have a walmart/carrefour/tesco/ or associated retail chains .. the business model and strategy in India will be different .. Filmbuff:There will be another level of competition next that will in the area of corner stores. I will not be too surprised to see a 7-11 or some chain open up operations in India. They can play the aggregator and tie up with existing stores across towns. They just provide the branding, infrastructure, goods and the existing owner can become the franchisee. I think this space will see more interesting action than the big stores.
This is an interesting perspective .. and very profitable infact, for the brands .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Indiarocks
Hero Username: Indiarocks
Post Number: 11420 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:50 pm: |
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Filmbuff:I think their first competition is going to be with the big Indian retail guys like Big Bazaars, More, Reliance Fresh, etc. In fact you will see many of the guys try to preempt the competition by tying up with international giants like a target, tesco. Anyway most of the Indian chains are bleeding and are eager to seek out partners. I think the value proposition of these chains is quite different from the corner stores. They offer greater SKUs, better prices, nicer shopping environment, entertainment options etc etc. But unlike the west, here driving out to reach these areas, even if they are just a 1-2 kms away is a pain in India. I would rather go to my corner store every day, even though their prices are higher. I might go to these larger stores once a fortnight or month. So the corner store will still have a great time and distance proposition which is tough to match. In the days of rising fuel prices, sometimes proximity is cheaper than low prices.
My view exactly. Filmbuff:There will be another level of competition next that will in the area of corner stores. I will not be too surprised to see a 7-11 or some chain open up operations in India. They can play the aggregator and tie up with existing stores across towns. They just provide the branding, infrastructure, goods and the existing owner can become the franchisee. I think this space will see more interesting action than the big stores.
Interesting. Looks like Future group is already moving in this direction
quote:Last week some 100 grocery shopkeepers gathered in the capital, not to demonstrate against FDI in retail, but in the hope of being selected as franchisees for Kishore Biyani's neighbourhood store format KB's Fair Price. So what gets the average kiranawallah excited about joining the country's top retailer when opposition leaders in the streets saying the government's decision to allow foreign investment in multi-brand retail sounds the death knell for corner shops? "We don't have to run around for different purchases. The margins offered by Future Group will be much better compared to existing wholesalers we are dealing with," says Arun Singhal, who runs a kirana store at Khanpur in South Delhi and has now signed for a KB's Fair Price franchise for the same location.
What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Chakkera_keli
Junior Artist Username: Chakkera_keli
Post Number: 419 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 206.39.12.245
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:50 pm: |
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Filmbuff:I think their first competition is going to be with the big Indian retail guys like Big Bazaars, More, Reliance Fresh, etc. In fact you will see many of the guys try to preempt the competition by tying up with international giants like a target, tesco. Anyway most of the Indian chains are bleeding and are eager to seek out partners. I think the value proposition of these chains is quite different from the corner stores. They offer greater SKUs, better prices, nicer shopping environment, entertainment options etc etc. But unlike the west, here driving out to reach these areas, even if they are just a 1-2 kms away is a pain in India. I would rather go to my corner store every day, even though their prices are higher. I might go to these larger stores once a fortnight or month. So the corner store will still have a great time and distance proposition which is tough to match. In the days of rising fuel prices, sometimes proximity is cheaper than low prices. There will be another level of competition next that will in the area of corner stores. I will not be too surprised to see a 7-11 or some chain open up operations in India. They can play the aggregator and tie up with existing stores across towns. They just provide the branding, infrastructure, goods and the existing owner can become the franchisee. I think this space will see more interesting action than the big stores.
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Filmbuff
Junior Artist Username: Filmbuff
Post Number: 705 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 101.62.125.52
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:46 pm: |
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Tilak:
You must see the message boards and comments section of rediff to understand that the economic profile or demographics of internet users are not any indicator of their wisdom or knowledge. |
   
Filmbuff
Junior Artist Username: Filmbuff
Post Number: 704 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 101.62.125.52
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:43 pm: |
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Indiarocks:
I think their first competition is going to be with the big Indian retail guys like Big Bazaars, More, Reliance Fresh, etc. In fact you will see many of the guys try to preempt the competition by tying up with international giants like a target, tesco. Anyway most of the Indian chains are bleeding and are eager to seek out partners. I think the value proposition of these chains is quite different from the corner stores. They offer greater SKUs, better prices, nicer shopping environment, entertainment options etc etc. But unlike the west, here driving out to reach these areas, even if they are just a 1-2 kms away is a pain in India. I would rather go to my corner store every day, even though their prices are higher. I might go to these larger stores once a fortnight or month. So the corner store will still have a great time and distance proposition which is tough to match. In the days of rising fuel prices, sometimes proximity is cheaper than low prices. There will be another level of competition next that will in the area of corner stores. I will not be too surprised to see a 7-11 or some chain open up operations in India. They can play the aggregator and tie up with existing stores across towns. They just provide the branding, infrastructure, goods and the existing owner can become the franchisee. I think this space will see more interesting action than the big stores. |
   
Tilak
Side Hero Username: Tilak
Post Number: 8945 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.184.30.186
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:35 pm: |
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Jawmetri:poor sampling. I have seen in various websites online, majority is in favor of the reforms. I dont trust that poll.
sampling size takkuve .. I agree .. but .. India lo internet penetration ela undi? and what economic section and age group is it dominated by .. any pointers? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Jawmetri
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Post Number: 1595 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 49.204.37.247
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:29 pm: |
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poor sampling. I have seen in various websites online, majority is in favor of the reforms. I dont trust that poll. |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 11419 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:24 pm: |
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Filmbuff:
Wanted to know your take - who do you think are the foreign retail chains going to compete with? With the existing Indian retail chains, or with the kirana shop on the corner of the street? What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Tilak
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Post Number: 8944 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.184.30.186
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:17 pm: |
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Filmbuff:No i don't think i am in the "top" 15%. We are some 15% scattered throughout the populace. Lower class lo untaru, middle lo untaru naa lanti opinions unna vallu. If we were a uniform 15% block, that would have been attractive enough to the parties. Because of our dissipated nature, it is tough to target us apart from good governance.
economic ga top 15% lo untaru anukuntunna .. if not .. socially .. certainly top 15% .. for sure .. and following the west doesnt necessarily mean its good governance .. there are so many failed theories of western economies .. but thats a debate we need not have ..  India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Chakkera_keli
Junior Artist Username: Chakkera_keli
Post Number: 416 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 206.39.12.245
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:16 pm: |
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Tilak:but no body can stop NaMo ..
he is the future of the India and BJP.... |
   
Filmbuff
Junior Artist Username: Filmbuff
Post Number: 702 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 101.62.125.52
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:13 pm: |
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Tilak:
No i don't think i am in the "top" 15%. We are some 15% scattered throughout the populace. Lower class lo untaru, middle lo untaru naa lanti opinions unna vallu. If we were a uniform 15% block, that would have been attractive enough to the parties. Because of our dissipated nature, it is tough to target us apart from good governance. |
   
Netsaint
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Post Number: 6267 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 171.161.160.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:10 pm: |
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bhayapaddaaroooo My Telugu Bhakthi Blog :http://gurugeetha.blogspot.com/ |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 8943 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.184.30.186
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:04 pm: |
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Filmbuff:You can't run government by opinion polls or sms votes. Having referendums on each and every topic would reduce governing to a standstill.
Expected someone to say this. So okati bodhapadutondi .. DB lo unna janam top 10-15% of the society ni reflect chestaru .. no problemo .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Indiarocks
Hero Username: Indiarocks
Post Number: 11418 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 01:02 pm: |
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Filmbuff:You can't run government by opinion polls or sms votes. Having referendums on each and every topic would reduce governing to a standstill. Fareed Zakaria wrote about the deep mess that California is in because of this in his book Future of Freedom. Democracy ki kooda konni limits untayi.
Perfectly put. Anduke elections every 5 months ki kaaka, 5yrs ki pettaru. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Tilak
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Post Number: 8942 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.184.30.186
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 12:59 pm: |
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Chakkera_keli:urban india ki "india is shining" ane concept baaga ekkindi....
ekkaledu ani oppokodaaniki naakem siggu anipinchatledu .. coz though NDA govt might have been better than Cong govts .. it did not achieve what it promised .. reasons many! Neeku kaadu le - U celebrate Sonia and sollu lo FDI .. but no body can stop NaMo .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Filmbuff
Junior Artist Username: Filmbuff
Post Number: 699 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 101.62.125.52
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 12:59 pm: |
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You can't run government by opinion polls or sms votes. Having referendums on each and every topic would reduce governing to a standstill. Fareed Zakaria wrote about the deep mess that California is in because of this in his book Future of Freedom. Democracy ki kooda konni limits untayi. |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 11415 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 12:56 pm: |
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Same India voted UPA to power, rejecting NDA. Same logic vaadi mooskuni undama UPA em chesina?
 What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Chakkera_keli
Junior Artist Username: Chakkera_keli
Post Number: 414 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 206.39.12.245
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 12:53 pm: |
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Tilak:appudenaa ..
urban india ki "india is shining" ane concept baaga ekkindi.... |
   
Ntr_rocks
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Post Number: 38733 Registered: 04-2009
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 12:51 pm: |
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Bottomline eti... Walmart lu, target lu vastunnaya....leka no one scratch India anattu, ave raithu bazarlu, vision 2020 la.. This DB needs better class of Hater, Pyscho and Sadist. |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 8939 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.184.30.186
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 12:49 pm: |
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Kkd:FDI is supposed to benefit farmers kadha...ante survery should have been taken in rural areas not urban......
Hahaha .. Rural areas lo chesi unte more than 90% would have rejected it .. FDI in Retail is supposedly an "urban/consumerist" move .. and those same people rejected it 76-24% ... Chakkera_keli:urban india ki burra ledu ani prove aindi....
appudenaa .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |
   
Kkd
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Post Number: 23475 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 115.242.217.148
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 12:47 pm: |
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FDI is supposed to benefit farmers kadha...ante survery should have been taken in rural areas not urban...... |
   
Chakkera_keli
Junior Artist Username: Chakkera_keli
Post Number: 412 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 206.39.12.245
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 12:46 pm: |
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Tilak:
urban india ki burra ledu ani prove aindi.... |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 8935 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.184.30.186
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 12:42 pm: |
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http://ibnlive.in.com/news/india-rejects-upas-reforms-even-p m-poll/295839-3.html Chivariki Congress pet dog CNN-IBN chesina poll lo kuda thu annaru janam .. ee govt policies ni .. Ninna nenu vere thread lo cheppanu .. more than 85% janam ki FDI in Retail akkarledu ani .. even in Urban India - 76% people are opposing .. 87% people say price of Diesel should not have been increased .. silent single star sarmas ..  India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin |