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For your kind info - Punjab lo kontha mandhi set up warehouses with good storage facilities. But which farmer will store the produce while paying money to the warehouse - all the while waiting for the buyer?
And which buyer will go this warehouse and buy the produce and transport it to the amrket and in turn sell it to the retail. Is this not adding one more layer into an already overloaded supply chain?

SENSE - COMMON SENSE - BUSINESS SENSE ooooo mari :-)
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Tilak:

dont they charge a fee




entha charge cheyyocchu???? :-)
Cold storage / warehouses lo produce chesinanduku - charge chesi - profits thecchukundhaam ante - ee paatiki - idhe DB lo atleast 2-3 mandhi aa business lo undevallu :-)

Done on an individual level it is an SME.
BUT You need to connect the farm to the storage to the retail store to the consumer's house - ALL SEAMLESSLY and this requires massive investments.
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aaa... retail stores lekunda - business lekunda - Charity kosam cold storages - Cold Supply chain - contract farming - erpaatu chesthaaaru mari....


emanna sense unda ee argument lo? Cold Storages lo product pettinanduku .. dont they charge a fee? Supply Chain IT investments are services .. they will charge accordingly .. and that is business as well .. and that is not Charity like you falsely say ..
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aaa... retail stores lekunda - business lekunda - Charity kosam cold storages - Cold Supply chain - contract farming - erpaatu chesthaaaru mari....
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Millions of Dollars....required for setting up cold storage units and the IT services for manning the entire operations efficiently



there is no "bar" now for setting up cold storages by Walmart or Tesco .. for setting up cold storages .. they dont need to open "FDI in retail" .. LOL .. how did u not know this basic fact? They cannot just open super markets .. but they can always setup cold-storages and investing in IT is always open .. why are they not doing it then?
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FDI in retail is a good policy :-)



what a load of crap without any proof to conclude this ..

http://newindianexpress.com/opinion/article666721.ece
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Tilak:

26% and 51% ..



Millions of Dollars....required for setting up cold storage units and the IT services for manning the entire operations efficiently


Tilak:

30% of the sourcing is a protection of nothing



a minimum of 30% - because in certain sectors like furniture - Ikea uses wood from europe, furniture design happens in europe and gets manufactured in India.
If the retailer wishes to - the 30% can become 90% or even 100% - no one is stopping them. The Govt has fixed the cieling at a minimum of 30% - whcih will be reviwed for a upward revision after 5 years.


BTW: Congress chetta party - FDI in retail is a good policy :-)
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Dada:

Rreg. the 30% local produce - common sense says that about 80% will be sourced from India. even today - a good 10-15% of the produce in Supermarkets / textile showrooms in Europe is sourced from India.


30% of the sourcing is a protection of nothing .. do u understand that??? it is protection .. then they would have made it more than 75% .. get that first ..

Dada:

But still 51% is the limit.......There i a difference between 74% and 51% or 91% and 51%.


exactly .. and whats the difference between 26% and 51% ..
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Tilak:

% is majority stake .. not minority ..



But still 51% is the limit.......There i a difference between 74% and 51% or 91% and 51%.

Rreg. the 30% local produce - common sense says that about 80% will be sourced from India. even today - a good 10-15% of the produce in Supermarkets / textile showrooms in Europe is sourced from India.

India lo pacchimirapakaayalu, bangala dumpalu,maggi noodles, toothpaste, lungis, towels,shirts, trousers, cheepurukattalu,floor mops,plastic buckets ammadaaniki - vere country nunchi import chesi - ikkada ammuthaara?

Some items like Edible Oil - yes - can be imported since India's production is not very high.
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Dada:

Limiting the stake to 51% aaa?


LOL .. 51% is majority stake .. not minority .. i mean u should know this before u comment ..

Dada:

Laying norms that a minimum 30% of the produce should be sourced from within India naa?


Did they come up with the guidelines on how that is going to be monitored ..? NO .. why? sollu gaallu incomplete work
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Tilak:

mindless open pandering to foreign interests with protecting and encouraging Indian interests ..




aaaha - RSS pamphlet laaga undhi - ee sentence...
Open pandering to Foreign Interests ante enti?

Limiting the stake to 51% aaa?
Laying norms that a minimum 30% of the produce should be sourced from within India naa?
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ee Congress and BJP emi different for each other kaadhu.....alaage migitha parties kooda....
okari 3 coupurs- okaru safforn colour - okaru green colour - marokaru yello colour - anthe thappa - vallo vallaki emi difference ledhu....

1996 lo asalu mana country lo cell phones endhuku - ani adigevaaru ee Sangh sodharulu - Cell phones medha jokes kooda baaga circulate chesevaaru....
atuvantidhi - 2004 elections lo maa valle Cell phone usage perigipoindhi ani elections lo advertise chesukunnaru.....

2004 lo Raithu prabhutvam theesukoni vasthaam ani power loki vacchi - already death bed ki daggarlo unna raithuni champesaaru Cong sodharulu - by 2009 - in the name of SEZs and Real Estate.

pandulu anni buradalo kottukunnattu kottunkaaru ee political parties - manam valla daggaraki vellitha - mana medha aa buradha padathaadhi....
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Heyyy Gagu mee party loo cheraadu telusaaa...mee jeevithalu inka vegam punjukuntaii
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FDI in retail is definitely not going to benefit the farmers,� said Mr R.S.Sodhi, Managing Director, Gujarat Co-operative Milk Marketing Federation Ltd, which owns the Amul brand.

Farmers get the least returns from the modern trade and the �so called efficiency� benefits only the large retailers as they constantly drive down the prices, Mr Sodhi said.

Citing the International Farm Comparison Network (IFCN) data, Mr Sodhi said milk producers in the US got only 38 per cent share of the consumer's dollar spent on milk, while the rest was earned by the processor and retailer. In the United Kingdom, the milk producers got only 36 per cent.

However, in India, the milk producer gets more than 70 per cent of the consumer's rupee on an average. Moreover, the milk producer affiliated to co-operatives get more than 80 per cent share of the consumer's rupee, Mr Sodhi said.




I wonder how the MD of Amul can miss the simple logic - if cooperatives give the farmer more profits, he can continue selling to them. FDI does not restrict the farmer from doing that.

Firstly, his argument is All Corporate Retail Chain Vs Cooperatives. It has nothing to do with FDI. If he thinks that corporate retail chains are not good he should be pushing for their total ban, including Indian, and Foreign. Why is he talking only in terms of FDI.

Secondly, the US/UK example is flawed bcoz -

Are there any established cooperatives to compete with retail chains in the US, or UK?

Sodhi, with his numbers, is only proving the point that Walmart can never win over the cooperatives.
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perversion of a pussycat..
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Amul says FDI in retail will hurt farmers


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While the Government claimed farmers support on FDI in retail, the country's largest dairy cooperative and food brand Amul felt such a move will hurt the interest of both producers and retailers.

New Delhi, Dec. 4:
While the Government claimed farmers support on FDI in retail, the country's largest dairy cooperative and food brand Amul felt such a move will hurt the interest of both producers and retailers.

âFDI in retail is definitely not going to benefit the farmers,â said Mr R.S.Sodhi, Managing Director, Gujarat Co-operative Milk Marketing Federation Ltd, which owns the Amul brand.

Farmers get the least returns from the modern trade and the âso called efficiencyâ benefits only the large retailers as they constantly drive down the prices, Mr Sodhi said.


Citing the International Farm Comparison Network (IFCN) data, Mr Sodhi said milk producers in the US got only 38 per cent share of the consumer's dollar spent on milk, while the rest was earned by the processor and retailer. In the United Kingdom, the milk producers got only 36 per cent.

However, in India, the milk producer gets more than 70 per cent of the consumer's rupee on an average. Moreover, the milk producer affiliated to co-operatives get more than 80 per cent share of the consumer's rupee, Mr Sodhi said.

In the US, the farmer's share in the consumer's price has declined from 52 per cent in 1996 to 38 per cent in 2009, while in the UK it has declined from 56 per cent in 1996 to 38 per cent in 2009. âThis decline clearly demonstrates that the milk producers suffer when the share of organised retail increases,â Mr Sodhi said.

Mr Sodhi questioned whether those seeking liberal FDI policy be able to maintain the farmer's share of consumer price in India. âWill they operate at 2 per cent distributor margin and 3 per cent retail margin for milk as practised by Amul and other milk brands,â he asked. From a manufacturers' perspective, Mr Sodhi said the organised retail trade tends to be monopolistic. The access to market to brands often comes at a heavy price to be paid by the producer, Mr Sodhi said citing Amul experience with large retailers in about 40 countries like the US, Japan, Australia and Singapore where it exports dairy products.

The terms of the trade dictated by many of these players are not even heard of in India such as short credit period, huge listing fees for products, reluctance to increase prices for as high as six months among others. âThe retailers will effectively kill innovation, squeeze margins and always threaten the brands with cheaper substitutes, imports or finally private label store brands,â Mr Sodhi said.

For the Government, the share of taxes would remain the same irrespective of the format of retail, while on the contrary the foreign retailers will demand more and more concessions and liberal policies to earn better. Further, the labour prices of large retailers were not employee friendly and that the Government may have to deal with huge labour issues if liberal FDI policies are implemented in retail. âIf largest and most reputed Indian corporate houses like Reliance, Tata and Birla have invested in retailing in India, we do not need to look to foreign investors to invest in Indian retail,â Mr Sodhi said.

The small retailers in India over the past decade have improved their outlets, presentation, service levels and consumer orientation significantly. The modern retail and their deep pockets due to foreign investment will destabilise the retail trade, which gainfully employees a very large section of our society.

âThe promised employment generation in modern retail will be at the cost of unemployed shopkeepers who form the backbone of our commerce and economy,â Mr Sodhi said.




Mr Sodhi turns Sodhigaadu? LOL ..
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kiki (giving back in kind) .. I said .. GoI could have made banks lend money to eligible retail chains rather than KF/DC .. thats not equalent to "govt investing in retail" ..

no body is totally opposed to FDI .. opposition is to mindless open pandering to foreign interests with protecting and encouraging Indian interests .. just bcoz u dont understand that opening retail is a huge favor to foreign companies does not mean it is not a favor ..
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Tilak:


Ninna Govt has to invest in cash strapped Indian retail chains ani paralu raasavu...BJP did the opposite in NDA Govt. Disinvestment ministry petti maree Govt shares ammesaru private ki.

As it is gaa Cong opposed disinvestment..
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Tilak:

At that time, we had an economic reform policy. You can recollect that proposals for liberal economic policy were in our election manifesto. But the Congress adopted liberal economic policy in 1991 to rescue India from its economic and foreign exchange crisis.




Adey cheppedi, manifesto lo ettukuntaru, opposition lo unte oppose, power lo unte support...kiki..
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Chusssss walmart kosam ayinaaaa
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BJP set up a seperate disinvestment ministry headed by Arun Shourie. Congress vehemently opposed it.

Arun jaitley kurrod aithe keka. Reforms ni support ki, opposition ki okate sentence vadathadu..kiki. This was him supporting foreign investment, and economic reforms when he was the commerce minister -


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The best is yet to come in the economic sphere, says the resolution. Indian brands need to boost their competitive edge. Reforms, it said, were needed in agriculture, manufacturing and services sectors.




Ippudu FDI oppose chestu last sentence ni as it is gaa vadutunnadu...
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http://www.businesseconomics.in/?p=2091
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COng > BJP.....except Modi ....rest


sample Karnataka
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When India opened its economy in 1991, BJP leading the opposition opposed it as usual. They said that this will undermine India's sovereignty, and will result in neo-imperialism


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The BJP claims that the âcommon manâ of India began to suffer due to increased prices in agricultural and food products and decreased wages due to outside competition.




Turn the clock forward and you will see Congress taking BJP's role and vice versa..kiki..BJP openly gave a statement upon election that they will continue the reforms..


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the BJP opposed the
opening-up of the insurance industry when the Congress wanted to do so, and later the
Congress opposed the same reform when the ruling BJP wanted to open-up the
insurance industry. The BJP had a tough time privatizing a state-owned
Aluminum firm Balco as the Congress opposed this move




Turn to 2012, and we will see words of 1991 again from BJP again on FDI, and now Congress pushing the reform -


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The BJP on Thursday said it would strongly oppose FDI in retail, saying that it would lead to the creation of monopolies by international retail players such as Walmart.




Are you wondering when was the last time we heard the words monopoly, neo-imperialism, or swadeshi etc, think 1991..LOL
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