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Tilak:

Raithu Bazaar was a good solution for a while, but as time passed .. with in a couple of years .. it was middlemen again .. not "farmers" exactly ..


My opinion is on concept itself and how farmers or producers directly will make money with out middlemen. Rythu Bazaar is a Govt initiative and faced problems, but I dont think sustainence will be a problem if it is with corporates

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reasons I can think off
1) big buck marketing via brand building
2) "low price deals" and "festival offers"
3) a different shopping experience (walking thru illuminated and airconditioned aisles)


These are there with Reliance or More or Food World, I dont think a Walmart will be significantly difft to them

Tilak:


They may kaadu .. they will ..

look at what happened with Pepsi/Coke .. Punjabi farmers were initially very happy with the rates .. but as time passed by, studies say .. now they arent exactly earning how they did when pepsi made contractual agreements ..


I havent read reports, Even if they earn same they are better off with these than middle men
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Kadapafan:


Raithu Bazaar when introduced by CBN was a good hit for the same reason.



Raithu Bazaar was a good solution for a while, but as time passed .. with in a couple of years .. it was middlemen again .. not "farmers" exactly ..

Kadapafan:

Kinda reasons ichaanu kadaa why people prefer going to Kirana Stores. Tell me a good reason why people will start going to Walmart (I am talking about people who are going to Kirana stores today, not about people who are already buying from Reliance or More)



reasons I can think off
1) big buck marketing via brand building
2) "low price deals" and "festival offers"
3) a different shopping experience (walking thru illuminated and airconditioned aisles)

Kadapafan:

They may bargain deals very well, but they would do this by directly going to producer.



They may kaadu .. they will ..

look at what happened with Pepsi/Coke .. Punjabi farmers were initially very happy with the rates .. but as time passed by, studies say .. now they arent exactly earning how they did when pepsi made contractual agreements ..
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Tilak:


Are you trying to say .. they cannot enter due to the legal binding or the market is not feasible for their survival?

Tadepalligudem (in West Godavari dist) has more than 3 super markets (More, and 2 others) .. and it is a very small town with some 3-4 lakh population and its doing well ..


3 super markets is nothing, they will be successful only when there is scale, if they dont bring things cheaper why would consumer change habits to go to them??
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Tilak:

I dont understand whats the basis of this statement ..

did anyone do a survey that no Kirana is shut down in the last 10-15 years? where from are these findings coming from?

also, let me try to put my understanding in a simple way ..

1) "Corporate" retail in India today stands at 4% of the $450 billion retail market. So the impact is less and invisible. What will be the impact when the corporate retail grows to 25% by 2011?? (projected)

2) Walmart or Tesco or Carrefour .. have very deep pockets of money than say a Reliance fresh or Big Bazaar .. they have more lobbying potential to tweak the rules .. they have more cash-force to capture more markets .. dont u think so?

3) FDI essentially comes in to make profits .. and the huge profits (in case of a success) will go out of the country? No?


I am saying that it doesnt create a different impact than what Reliance or More has created.

FDI comes in obviously for making profits, but who is benefiting with the competition they are bringing in??

Competition leka mundu nenu late 90s lo mobile use chese tappudu incoming ki 10rs per hour undedi. Markets have matured with competition and consumer is benefiting.

They have cash but Retail is an extremely competitive business with very low margins, I dont think its a sexy business like other businesses in India where they can spend a lot
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are not big retail or small kiranas directly buying stuff from farmers or producers? also .. will not a biggie like walmart negotiate/bargain/make deals for lower prices than a cash-limited buyer like a retail shop owner (say in Hyd)

Also, is there any study to show that Big Bazaar and Heritage fresh have benefitted farmers compared to Kiranas till now?


May or May not be. If there is a pressure on them to reduce prices they will do that, else they may buy from middle men, where as Walmart doesnt have an option than being cost effective. They may bargain deals very well, but they would do this by directly going to producer.

Raithu Bazaar when introduced by CBN was a good hit for the same reason. It applies here as well.
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Tilak:

why, can I ask?


Kinda reasons ichaanu kadaa why people prefer going to Kirana Stores. Tell me a good reason why people will start going to Walmart (I am talking about people who are going to Kirana stores today, not about people who are already buying from Reliance or More)
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btw .. one good condition that I liked in this FDI in retail is ..

50% of the investments should go to "backend infrastructure" .. thats good ..
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Kadapafan:

A Walmart will compete with a Reliance or Birla than Kirana stores.


why, can I ask?

Kadapafan:

Walmart has to buy directly from Farmers or Producers to be cost effective and when they do that it is obvious small farmers or producers will benefit quite a lot.



are not big retail or small kiranas directly buying stuff from farmers or producers? also .. will not a biggie like walmart negotiate/bargain/make deals for lower prices than a cash-limited buyer like a retail shop owner (say in Hyd)

Also, is there any study to show that Big Bazaar and Heritage fresh have benefitted farmers compared to Kiranas till now?


Kadapafan:

If a Fresh or More or Food world has not created problems how will a Walmart create specifically now??


I dont understand whats the basis of this statement ..

did anyone do a survey that no Kirana is shut down in the last 10-15 years? where from are these findings coming from?

also, let me try to put my understanding in a simple way ..

1) "Corporate" retail in India today stands at 4% of the $450 billion retail market. So the impact is less and invisible. What will be the impact when the corporate retail grows to 25% by 2011?? (projected)

2) Walmart or Tesco or Carrefour .. have very deep pockets of money than say a Reliance fresh or Big Bazaar .. they have more lobbying potential to tweak the rules .. they have more cash-force to capture more markets .. dont u think so?

3) FDI essentially comes in to make profits .. and the huge profits (in case of a success) will go out of the country? No?

Kadapafan:

If a Walmart or Reliance can create additional 1000rs for Consumer (by means of savings every month on groceries) he will obviously spend it some where else which will create jobs else where as well.



Assuming there will be big savings, this is a good point ..

Kadapafan:


As far as Kirana stores go, they wouldnt have any problems in Towns and Villages. They cannot enter towns or villages as they cannot get economies of scale there.



Are you trying to say .. they cannot enter due to the legal binding or the market is not feasible for their survival?

Tadepalligudem (in West Godavari dist) has more than 3 super markets (More, and 2 others) .. and it is a very small town with some 3-4 lakh population and its doing well ..

Kadapafan:

I dont agree that Walmart can bring in technology etc.., Investment yes. But technology is crap. Supply chain in US is way way different compared to India. Infrastructure is key here and India doesnt have that. Indian companies know supply chain much better than West in my view. ITC for example connects with more than 2-3 million distributors on a daily basis on nuke and corner of India. I dont think any other company works in such a complex environment where all the supply chain attributes are so different.



Good points u mentioned that will work in favor of Kiranas .. also agree with the tech argument .. though I also agree that there is wastage (specially of agri produce) and curbing it needs good infrastructure ..

Gandhiguevara:

OK...atu vaipu vellam


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Tilak:

For those in New York, Arun Jaitley in Columbia University on 20th Sept at 6.30 pm will at "The politics of change" event in International Affairs Building.


OK...atu vaipu vellam
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FDI will not create any new problems in Retail. A Walmart will compete with a Reliance or Birla than Kirana stores. Walmart has to buy directly from Farmers or Producers to be cost effective and when they do that it is obvious small farmers or producers will benefit quite a lot.

What is the threat to Kirana stores? - If a Fresh or More or Food world has not created problems how will a Walmart create specifically now?? Is the problem with a Foreign player coming in or organized retail coming in?? If a Walmart or Reliance can create additional 1000rs for Consumer (by means of savings every month on groceries) he will obviously spend it some where else which will create jobs else where as well. I dont think bringing in a Walmart or Carrefour will create additional challenges which super markets has not created earlier.

As far as Kirana stores go, they wouldnt have any problems in Towns and Villages. They cannot enter towns or villages as they cannot get economies of scale there. As far as cities go, there are enough alternatives for consumers already which means they can only create competition, which is good for consumers.

Again key reasons why consumers go to Kirana Stores are:

1. Reach - being next door, basic things like milk, vegetables which one has to buy for 2-3 days of storage nobody will go to Walmart which will be far away. Things consumer can store like rice, dal etc.., he will buy there
2. Credit - Cities lo credit cards unnayi kaani towns and villages are still not so developed. Pakkana store lo taking things for credit is very very common. This cannot be possible in large stores

Both of the above walmart of carrefour cant do anything.

I dont agree that Walmart can bring in technology etc.., Investment yes. But technology is crap. Supply chain in US is way way different compared to India. Infrastructure is key here and India doesnt have that. Indian companies know supply chain much better than West in my view. ITC for example connects with more than 2-3 million distributors on a daily basis on nuke and corner of India. I dont think any other company works in such a complex environment where all the supply chain attributes are so different.
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For those in New York, Arun Jaitley in Columbia University on 20th Sept at 6.30 pm will at "The politics of change" event in International Affairs Building.
India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda

Amra Morbo, Jagat Jagbe (We shall die to awaken the nation) - Bagha Jatin
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Myopia is not understanding the unfair trade practices of the world .. we dont need an american or a french to teach us simple "farm to fork" ..

Conquas:

Idhi oka IT project ni... Without taking user requirements tho project start cheinatlu ga vundhi...


hahaha .. exactly .. all I know is such a justification .. LOL

The west has more myopia than all the 3rd world combined .. ever understood the way they manipulate all the systems in the world to maintain their hegemony??? coming out of that quagmire isnt easy ..
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Tilak:

Swadeshi means self-reliance .. the concept is simple and beautiful .. try understanding ..


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Idhi oka IT project ni... Without taking user requirements tho project start cheinatlu ga vundhi...

Any ways... Good nght...
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I do not care about China....All I know and I feel is it is good for rural India directly and urban india indirectly.
Atleast in the states that implement this.
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Dheeni gurinchi oka detaled thread okati padindhi... 51% ee ikkada big issue... Adhi lekunda vunte.... Intha gola vundedhi kaadhu....

Nenu china example cheppa... China lo mutlti brand success kabatti... Ikkada success avuthundhi antunna point ki.... Na answer adhi...

Its pure lobbying.... Ane gola... Local business ki debba ane ikkada point...
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yes Self reliance - and does not mean adopting a myopic approach.
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India lo COMPLETE ownership aaa? Pklease read the policy statement.it is upto 51% - not 100%.And upto 51% is always good - since the MNC will have more control - take the Uninor as a classic case.

And FDI in Multi brand retail lo there is a certain minimum percentage of Indian manufacturing / produce - it is 30%.

Implementation of this is not mandatory - it is upto the State Govt to implement or not. TamilNadu has already rejected. WB will also reject it.
AP and Maharashtra are implementing it.
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Swadeshi means self-reliance .. the concept is simple and beautiful .. try understanding ..
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Dada:



Qdoba:




Ashton mesharu... Youmare talking about two different sectors....

Pidukki ... Biyyaniki oke mantram ante etla...

Without knowing the consequences... Evadu cheyyadu....

In china... 1992 lo fdi in multi brnad... Lo 49% ownership.... They waited till 2001 and after that thry implemented full ownership of FDI...

Ala kaneesam... Try cheyyakunda.... China lo jarigindhi... Kabatti... India lo kooda success ante etla...
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Hyndai, Volkwagen lo jobs kaavali - kaani vallani allow cheyyakoodadhu mana country loki - Swadeshi kadha manam....Hindustan Motors and Maruti products nee konndhaam....

Jobs ki mathram Citibank kaavali - but swadeshi kabatti - SBI nee encourage cheddam....

Nestle lo jobs kaavali - kaani Amul products neen kondhaam....

Tesco lo job kaavali - kaani kirana shop lone kondhaamu...

manam chesedhi MNCs IT operations ki consulting or support - we want thier dollars - but we do not want thier products and thier operation in India.
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IT jobs kavale.....but no to FDI..

Good luck!
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Conquas:

Vallani convince cheyyakunda.... Opposition parties ani anatam endhuku...





Dada:

Anything that the local politician across all parties opposes - is always good for the country in the long run.....


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That's mom...ilanti mentality tho ela bathukuthar sami...IT jobs emaina India lo create avuthunnaya ? IT jobs kooda US exported ey kada ? If you want to stop FDI, then stop offshoring the IT & engineering jobs from other countries to India.
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Guru prathi policy ki good ... Bad vuntayi.... Ooo... Tega help avuthundhi ane.... Brama lo nunchi bayataki vacchi.... Think other side of the coin.... I can show you many articles.... Ela bad jargacchu ani....

Political affiliations ane mata kanna... Konni sectors lo migatha parties .... FDI ni allow cheyyataniki difference of opinion ledhu....

Congress own allies ee... Aa decision ni oppose chesthunnayi...

Vallani convince cheyyakunda.... Opposition parties ani anatam endhuku...
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Sanman:

there won't be any more loss of jobs than without retail FDI.


ready to buy it .. any basis?
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Anything that the local politician across all parties opposes - is always good for the country in the long run.....
Because this is being oppossed, it means it is good

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nijamgaa navvu vasthundhi - ee posts chaduvuthunte...

FDI in retail is BAD ani vaadhisthunnaaru - vallu vese posts - extracts from other artciles maathram - clearly point to the advantages....

Political affilitions nunchi bayataki vacchi - WHAT is Good / What is BAD ani aloochisthe - automatic gaa answers vasthaayi....

Power lo unte idhe policy ni support chesevallu..... :-)
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there won't be any more loss of jobs than without retail FDI. the same technology and methods will be used by domestic big retail instead of intl big retail. net result is the same. who gets the major share of market will be in question. apparently the 51% cap answers that concern (for friends of govt). a percentage of profit moves out of the economy but it also means govt has to relax some export regulations to keep trade balance.
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inthaki idhi manchidhi dhoo kadho cheppandi ... country economy ki boon aithe it is better to go ahead ...we are alredy in deep shit ani naa feeling
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To become a truly flourishing industry, retailing in India needs to cross the following hurdles:[36]
Automatic approval is not allowed for foreign investment in retail.
Regulations restricting real estate purchases, and cumbersome local laws.
Taxation, which favours small retail businesses.
Absence of developed supply chain and integrated IT management.
Lack of trained work force.
Low skill level for retailing management.
Lack of Retailing Courses and study options
Intrinsic complexity of retailing – rapid price changes, constant threat of product obsolescence and low margins.




ippudu ee "organized" retailing ki oka 10-15% share dorakagaane they will get greater voice (4% tho ne intha lobbying cheste) .. even those taxation laws will change .. in my guess, govt will do everything to kill these mom & pops in helping corporates grow .. like how it is doing so much to encourage corporate retailing .. against "unorganized" retail sector .. which actually took off a major burden off the govts shoulder by employing 4 crore people directly ..

ilage untayi .. evarino chusi vaathalu pettukune chestalu .. we dont have to ape some one else .. prapancham mottaniki IT services istunna desam lo .. mana super markets ki retail markets ki IT solutions develop chesukoleka .. bayata nunchi evaro raavali anadam kante inkemi shame ledu ..

over and out ..
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Choice ledu .. Walmart/Tesco/Carrefour ke arpanam ..




Oh yeah, among 10 established players, two players will get the 100% share of the growth, that too when they can invest only 51%. Who was your math teacher?
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>>>>Year by Year 30% growth in the whole retail sector evadiki istavu?

Choice ledu .. Walmart/Tesco/Carrefour ke arpanam ..
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One report estimates the 2011 Indian retail market as generating sales of about $470 billion a year, of which a miniscule $27 billion comes from organized retail such as supermarkets, chain stores with centralized operations and shops in malls. The opening of retail industry to free market competition, some claim will enable rapid growth in retail sector of Indian economy. Others believe the growth of Indian retail industry will take time, with organized retail possibly needing a decade to grow to a 25% share.[22] A 25% market share, given the expected growth of Indian retail industry through 2021, is estimated to be over $250 billion a year: a revenue equal to the 2009 revenue share from Japan for the world's 250 largest retailers.,[23][24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retailing_in_India

by 2012 - 25% will be under which retail???




Year by Year 30% growth in the whole retail sector evadiki istavu?

Two choices - Allow the current situation, let Indian organized retailers be cash strapped. In short shunt the retail sector growth, and the economy at large

Or

Allow FDI and let retail continue to grow.

Even if we take 20% growth on average in the next 10yrs that will be 200%, without compounding.
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and there are varied estimates ..


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In 2011, food accounted for 70% of Indian retail, but was under-represented by organized retail. A.T. Kearney estimates India's organized retail had a 31% share in clothing and apparel, while the home supplies retail was growing between 20% to 30% per year.[26] These data correspond to retail prospects prior to November announcement of the retail reform. The Indian market offers endless possibilities for investors.[27]




it is not for nothing that Hillary Clinton personally met Mamta Banerjee to allow FDI in retail ..
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ippudu aaa kirana kotla vallandaroo Walmarts lo salesboys gaa cheraalaa?
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One report estimates the 2011 Indian retail market as generating sales of about $470 billion a year, of which a miniscule $27 billion comes from organized retail such as supermarkets, chain stores with centralized operations and shops in malls. The opening of retail industry to free market competition, some claim will enable rapid growth in retail sector of Indian economy. Others believe the growth of Indian retail industry will take time, with organized retail possibly needing a decade to grow to a 25% share.[22] A 25% market share, given the expected growth of Indian retail industry through 2021, is estimated to be over $250 billion a year: a revenue equal to the 2009 revenue share from Japan for the world's 250 largest retailers.,[23][24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retailing_in_India

by 2012 - 25% will be under which retail???
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What are Walmart, Tesco and Carrefour between producer and consumer? not middlemen?

Is there any bigger middleman than Walmart with more profits/strategic control over supply???

did u ever think on those lines?




You think you can build an economy without the trader. Ekkada nundi vastayi ilanti variety ideas? Coming to more profits and control over supply. 4% organized retail Vs 96% unorganized.

Who do you think has more control?

You ask for numbers, but you dont learn anything from them.
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idhe paniki deseeya companies ni encourage cheyochu...walmart la valla exploitation tappa development ekkada 4th world countries lo jarigindhaa...also, India is a very unique country...vere ekkado success ainantha matrana ikkada positive results vasthayi anukokudadhu



nachaav ee vishayam lo .. retail open cheyyadam valla walmart/tesco pakka ga hit avutara ante cheppalem .. kaani hit aithe matram .. bumper bonanza ne .. kavalsinodiki kavalsinanta .. infinite potential to exploit .. ade fear .. lekapothe naaku emi kirana kotlu levu gola cheyyadaniki ..
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US lo gundu soodi kosam walmart ki 3 miles drive chesi konta nenu. India lo 4.5km vellali ante ganta padutundemo..


ade annai nenu kuda anedhi may be hyderabad lo pedithe maximum oka 6 walmarts pedathaaremo ..... 2km dooram unnolle theesukuntaaru kaani antha kante dhooram ante picha lite antaaru

inko point India lo cars kante bikes ekkuva ... ikkada ante cars kabatti oka roof kindha anni dorikevi okate saari theesukundhaam ane type lo .... costco walmart ki elthaar

manaki alantivi kudaradhu cheetiki maatiki ...6km 7km walmart ante picha lite

I guess Walmart investment is a very good thing ... Black Jack lo dealer gaadiki 1st card 6 padattu :D

investment ki investment ...... kiraana shops safeeee :D
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bottomline middlemen are gone



What are Walmart, Tesco and Carrefour between producer and consumer? not middlemen?

Is there any bigger middleman than Walmart with more profits/strategic control over supply???

did u ever think on those lines?
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Lekapothe maa party Cong ki against, vallu eddem ante theddem antamu. Vallu emanna maaku anavasaram anala?


nuvvu ennainaa cheppu JP is MMS's puppet
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idhi choodu....kikiki....first sentence choosi aapesthe attane vuntundhi...malli kikiki




We have to judge policy on merit, andulo thappenti.

Lekapothe maa party Cong ki against, vallu eddem ante theddem antamu. Vallu emanna maaku anavasaram anala?
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Why is this a bad thing ?? Govt pratee sector ni subsidize chestu poye badulu, private investments/ psu's lo disinvestments encourage cheste, aa amount anta Infra/Medicare/Education ki upyaginchuchhu.


idhe paniki deseeya companies ni encourage cheyochu...walmart la valla exploitation tappa development ekkada 4th world countries lo jarigindhaa...also, India is a very unique country...vere ekkado success ainantha matrana ikkada positive results vasthayi anukokudadhu
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i would say Non cong states will be the first to implement this before any govt

they included a very good clause if states dont like it dont implement it...

indian retail sector is estimated about $400-$500Bill, opening up we can infuse about 250-300B dollars into the system if we can...

actual ga its good for small retailers also like they can purchase from these big outlets which get at cheaper price (ex: buying from costco in bulk and selling in gas stations etc)

bottomline middlemen are gone, unwanted wastage due to lack of best practices etc are gone...so employment might decrease as these middlemen has to find another job

but its good for farmers as these big chains buy in bulk pay good, faster into the market more $$...
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Congress em chesina support ane vallaki phedel..phedel..


LOL..ippativaraku nuvvu kudaa adhe anukunnav kadhaa...

Indiarocks:

now we hav 2 judge policy on merits, not from where it comes


idhi choodu....kikiki....first sentence choosi aapesthe attane vuntundhi...malli kikiki
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@ GandhiGuevara : FDI la valla over the period of time complete privitization aipothundi...Govt control vundadhu due to contractual agreements.

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Why is this a bad thing ?? Govt pratee sector ni subsidize chestu poye badulu, private investments/ psu's lo disinvestments encourage cheste, aa amount anta Infra/Medicare/Education ki upyaginchuchhu.

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annai intha pedda pedda vocabulary and terms tho kochen aduguthe em chepthaam ... pass anadam thappa

on the other hand Walmart laantivi flop ayye chances ee ekkuva ...veedhi chivara unde kiraana shops ki ee maathram dhokha undadhu ....biyyam lo rallu kondalu vachinaa ...aa kiraana kottu odi daggarike eltham manam...idhi mind lo pettukoni just guessing kottanu diwaala theesthundhi ani

so investment ki investment and mana kiraana shops kuda safe




Tamud, intha simple gaa sookshmam ela grahinchavu?

US lo gundu soodi kosam walmart ki 3 miles drive chesi konta nenu. India lo 4.5km vellali ante ganta padutundemo..
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@JP_LOKSATTA: Congress brand of socialism has led to the crisis. now we hav 2 judge policy on merits, not from where it comes. #loksattalive #FDI




Congress em chesina support ane vallaki phedel..phedel..
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sure .. vaadu diwaala teeste .. India ki nastam ledu .. kaani investment potential anedi emavutundi? alage .. so called supply-chain deficiencies ni plug cheyyama inka aithe??? just asking ..




annai intha pedda pedda vocabulary and terms tho kochen aduguthe em chepthaam ... pass anadam thappa

on the other hand Walmart laantivi flop ayye chances ee ekkuva ...veedhi chivara unde kiraana shops ki ee maathram dhokha undadhu ....biyyam lo rallu kondalu vachinaa ...aa kiraana kottu odi daggarike eltham manam...idhi mind lo pettukoni just guessing kottanu diwaala theesthundhi ani

so investment ki investment and mana kiraana shops kuda safe
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India lo ki ravadam and exploit cheyyadam annadhi Walmart ki avasaram...manaki kaadhu.




avasarama kaada manamu kaadu cheppalsindi. Indian organized retail sector avasaram ani eppati nundi cheptondi.
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Ichhe dammu Banks ki unna, teesukuni vatiki returns chopinche dammnu indian cos. ki levu ... idi swamyaga indian retail lo tala pandina Kishore Biyani cheppina maata ... anduke future group kooda Carefour tho tieup kosam chostundi !!


anduke antunna .. now that the decision has been made by GoI .. and the results are awaited .. we will wait for some time to pronounce the verdict .. whether this decision is good for India or not ..

God forbid .. if it turns out to be bad .. whole India will be affected .. lets hope does not go that way !

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Bottom line: FDI la valla over the period of time complete privitization aipothundi...Govt control vundadhu due to contractual agreements...India lo ki ravadam and exploit cheyyadam annadhi Walmart ki avasaram...manaki kaadhu...malli 1970's ki teeskelthaadu MMS ...adakka thinandi
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>>>>Tata started as an Indian automobile company, and from the profits, went and bought Jaguar, and Land Rover. Ante India lo invest chesada?

Tata bought Jag/LR - loss making units .. and is today saved just because of those companies turn around under Tata .. other wise .. Tata Motors was bleeding .. so Tata earned profits for India thru a good investment abroad .. tats advantage India .. encourage that ..
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@ Tilak : Reliance Fresh ki .. Aditya Birla More ki capital ledu to invest in retail ani meere cheptunnaru .. banks ni pressurize chesi .. KF/DC lanti dead companies ki 1000s of crores loans ippinche badulu .. govt should have mobilized those funds for lending to retail companies as "expansion capital" ..//


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Ichhe dammu Banks ki unna, teesukuni vatiki returns chopinche dammnu indian cos. ki levu ... idi swamyaga indian retail lo tala pandina Kishore Biyani cheppina maata ... anduke future group kooda Carefour tho tieup kosam chostundi !!

Repodduna evari partner ship lekunda banks nunchi loan tesi vichhala vidiga invest chesi loss ayite appudu vatini bailout chesylsindi Govt. aa bokka kanna bayata companies invest chesina loss vachina bharinche dammu undi vatiki !!

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so ippudu 40 million mandhiki employment undhi.... adhi kaashtha 2.1 mill ki padipothadhi so unemployment anukuntunnaru




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ala kaakunda after they invest ..... evadu walmart lo konakapothee lossullo padi aade diwaala theesthaadu kada ... appudu win win situation manaki


sure .. vaadu diwaala teeste .. India ki nastam ledu .. kaani investment potential anedi emavutundi? alage .. so called supply-chain deficiencies ni plug cheyyama inka aithe??? just asking ..
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LOL .. supply-chain deficiencies ni only "organized" retail plug chestundi ani meere cheptaru .. so Indian managed "organized" chains ni allow cheste .. 1) aa so called efficiency perugutundi .. 2) profits will be retained in India .. FDI valla 2nd advantage undadu ..




Profits retained in India naa..idem logic vayya....

Tata started as an Indian automobile company, and from the profits, went and bought Jaguar, and Land Rover. Ante India lo invest chesada?
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Baaboi nenu cheppina 8K crore fig. fdi in retail proposal chesaka 2 yrs ga delay ayina time vallu investment chedamanukunna amount.. so adi manam gata 2 yrs lo loss ayina amount... wall mart whole life time lo India lo invest cheyaboye amount kaadu .... ilaa numbers ni magic chese janam ni bhaya pedtunnaru !!



tammi .. I asked u .. how much FDI are we expecting in the next 1 year .. u told me .. 8000 crores of investment we did not get due to the delay .. that means .. that is what we can expect in the next 1 year annanu .. adi "magic" aa???

this is getting interesting .. how much is walmart expected to "invest" in the next 10 years .. any pointers?
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ninnati nundi choosthunna ee FDI ante enti

Kamal annai pettina link choosa hindu paper dhi Made in USA ane article

so from what I understand retail sector Foreign vaalu invest chesthunnaru

so ippudu 40 million mandhiki employment undhi.... adhi kaashtha 2.1 mill ki padipothadhi so unemployment anukuntunnaru

ala kaakunda after they invest ..... evadu walmart lo konakapothee lossullo padi aade diwaala theesthaadu kada ... appudu win win situation manaki
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Baaboi nenu cheppina 8K crore fig. fdi in retail proposal chesaka 2 yrs ga delay ayina time vallu investment chedamanukunna amount.. so adi manam gata 2 yrs lo loss ayina amount... wall mart whole life time lo India lo invest cheyaboye amount kaadu .... ilaa numbers ni magic chese janam ni bhaya pedtunnaru :D !!




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>>>>Bottomline: If BJP thinks local retailer will be bankrupt bcoz of retail chains, they have to oppose all organized retail, period. Even the Indian ones.

LOL .. supply-chain deficiencies ni only "organized" retail plug chestundi ani meere cheptaru .. so Indian managed "organized" chains ni allow cheste .. 1) aa so called efficiency perugutundi .. 2) profits will be retained in India .. FDI valla 2nd advantage undadu ..
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Baaboi nenu cheppina 8K crore fig. fdi in retail proposal chesaka 2 yrs ga delay ayina time vallu investment chedamanukunna amount.. so adi manam gata 2 yrs lo loss ayina amount... wall mart whole life time lo India lo invest cheyaboye amount kaadu .... ilaa numbers ni magic chese janam ni bhaya pedtunnaru :D !!

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Tilak:

Stig is saying .. expected FDI is around 8000 crores .. 8000 crores kosam FDI in retail and a whole 400 billion USD market is up for grabs??




Nobody has anything up for grabs. We are only allowing them to compete, that too with restrictions.

Bottomline: If BJP thinks local retailer will be bankrupt bcoz of retail chains, they have to oppose all organized retail, period. Even the Indian ones.
Not just FDI. Opposing just FDI is mere politics.
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DC ki Kingfisher ki manam budget lo dabbu allocate cheyateledu kada ... vatiki loans ichindi state/pvt banks ... daniki govt. infra development ki em sambandaham ??



Reliance Fresh ki .. Aditya Birla More ki capital ledu to invest in retail ani meere cheptunnaru .. banks ni pressurize chesi .. KF/DC lanti dead companies ki 1000s of crores loans ippinche badulu .. govt should have mobilized those funds for lending to retail companies as "expansion capital" ..
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one sided ga FDI ki support cheyyadam baaga ledu .. that too without facts/figures .. like how much FDI is expected .. how many jobs will be created .. how many will be lost .. what is the basis for these answers etc .. avemi lekunda .. it will do this .. it will do that ante .. that looks awful .. blanket statements .. so called intellectuals nunchi ravadam .. nasty ga untundi ..




Only 4% organized retail. Rest all 96% unorganized. FDI will help sustain 30% growth, what is the net affect? - Ivi numbers kaada?

Oka pakkana RS MP abaddalu rasestunnadu, danni ignore chesave.
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FDI delays valla okka retail sector lone around 8000 crores investment ala aagai poyi undi according to ET report !!



sure .. let us be in touch and come back after 6 months to see .. how much is invested etc .. wat say?

btw .. u know how much is Indian retail valued at ?? 400 billion USD .. anduke Hillary/Obama kuda open cheyyamani adugutunnadi! I am sure u know that ..

>>>>Tamud post sagame chadutava? Oka pakkana red tapism, corruption ani, you want more Govt?

Banks thru eligible companies ki retail loans isthe .. daanni red tapism gaa chustava? btw .. Stig is saying .. expected FDI is around 8000 crores .. 8000 crores kosam FDI in retail and a whole 400 billion USD market is up for grabs??
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DC ki Kingfisher ki manam budget lo dabbu allocate cheyateledu kada ... vatiki loans ichindi state/pvt banks ... daniki govt. infra development ki em sambandaham ??

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Anyways .. naa point okkate .. let us not show FDI in retail as the "sarvaroga nivarani" of problems .. and supposedly .. "intellectual" aina JP .. one sided ga FDI ki support cheyyadam baaga ledu .. that too without facts/figures .. like how much FDI is expected .. how many jobs will be created .. how many will be lost .. what is the basis for these answers etc .. avemi lekunda .. it will do this .. it will do that ante .. that looks awful .. blanket statements .. so called intellectuals nunchi ravadam .. nasty ga untundi ..
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I donno how much is enough .. you can give me a figure .. KF/DC ki ichindi .. more than 10000 crores .. and there are many such bad debts which I am not mentioning here ..




Tamud post sagame chadutava? Oka pakkana red tapism, corruption ani, you want more Govt?
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were you pulling his leg?


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Tilak:

Explain this .. what are those different markets? urban/rural? urban market also has lots of kiranas? no? what are those different purposes??




Simple logic. Organized retail chain is not new to India. Local Kiranas have weathered the storm of organized retail and are co-existing with supermarkets for more than a decade.

Mere introduction of new investors, or two, or three more players will destroy this balance?

To put in numbers organized retail, even if increased by 50% with FDI will only go from 4% to 6%. Now, total increase in retail is 30%. So the net is an increase, or decrease. Where is the displacement?
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@ Tilak : entha FDI expect chestunnaru next 1 year lo? any guess/idea/estimate? //

FDI delays valla okka retail sector lone around 8000 crores investment ala aagai poyi undi according to ET report !!

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>>>> enti kingfisher, DC ki iche money tho motham Indian retail sector ni udharinchala?

I donno how much is enough .. you can give me a figure .. KF/DC ki ichindi .. more than 10000 crores .. and there are many such bad debts which I am not mentioning here ..

>>>>Local Kirana shop, and Supermarket serve different markets, and different purposes in India.

Explain this .. what are those different markets? urban/rural? urban market also has lots of kiranas? no? what are those different purposes??
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jenaalu china info quote chesthunnaaru frequent gaa......china gurinchi ekkadi nunchi vasthundi info?
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Tilak:





Asalu ee disc anthaa waste. The proposal clearly gives states the final word on whether to allow FDI or not, in their states. Inka gola enduku, mere politics kakapothe?
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Retail FDI tho ee problem solve aypoddi ... huge inflow of money ...


entha FDI expect chestunnaru next 1 year lo? any guess/idea/estimate?
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Small Business ki loss is BS statement ... ee unorganized supply chain management valle farmers are loosing so much money and produce chesina goods sagam maintenance leni warehouses lo maggipotunnayi ... Govt sariana logistics provide cheyadu .. pvt companies deggara ki huge scale lo chese money ledu em cheyali ??
Retail FDI tho ee problem solve aypoddi ... huge inflow of money ... vallu invest chesina capital tirigi ravadaniki years padtundi ... aloga kottaga vachina efficient supply chain valla chinna business ki kooda help avuddi ... also loss of jobs is a overstatement ... 20 yrs kinda 100% fdi implement chesina china there is no significant job loss till day ... India lo kuda ade scenario untadi !!






Manaki population, economy lo close gaa unna China tho kaadu anta comparison. US tho anta...
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Tilak:

I already gave my view .. if capital for retail is the govt's concern .. it better stop loans to Kingfisher/Deccan Chronicle and make that money go to "retail" sector/infrastructure sector .. or is it that we only want "foreign" capital?




enti kingfisher, DC ki iche money tho motham Indian retail sector ni udharinchala?

Oka pakkana Govt influence unna prathi sector lo red tapism, corruption ani, malli Govt velu pettali anta...



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Ignored Fact #1: Local Kirana shop, and Supermarket serve different markets, and different purposes in India. This is already proven in China, Thailand etc.

Your titling of balances does not consider the fact that Indian retail is growing and "will continue to grow with capital investment". This allows space for FDI.




Ee two points correct kaadu?
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Small Business ki loss is BS statement ... ee unorganized supply chain management valle farmers are loosing so much money and produce chesina goods sagam maintenance leni warehouses lo maggipotunnayi ... Govt sariana logistics provide cheyadu .. pvt companies deggara ki huge scale lo chese money ledu em cheyali ??
Retail FDI tho ee problem solve aypoddi ... huge inflow of money ... vallu invest chesina capital tirigi ravadaniki years padtundi ... aloga kottaga vachina efficient supply chain valla chinna business ki kooda help avuddi ... also loss of jobs is a overstatement ... 20 yrs kinda 100% fdi implement chesina china there is no significant job loss till day ... India lo kuda ade scenario untadi !!

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>>>>The decision is simple, will you stall the growth of the organized Indian retail space, or will you allow foreign capital and continue its growth?

I already gave my view .. if capital for retail is the govt's concern .. it better stop loans to Kingfisher/Deccan Chronicle and make that money go to "retail" sector/infrastructure sector .. or is it that we only want "foreign" capital?
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China manufacturing ni reform chesake FDI allow chesindi

Indian retail chains ki desa bhakti ekkuva, so vallu local gaa matrame kontaru.

Ilanti abaddalu oka educated Rajyasabha member nundi vinataniki asahyamgaa unnayi
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to survive people will be competitive, govt has to cut crap to make it even playing field etc etc...



India does not survive because of the govt. India survives despite a terrible govt! The so called "unorganised" retail sector provides employment to 4 crore people directly. And an insane govt wants to fix this!!
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Tilak:

deliberate oxymoron ??




Its not an oxymoron. For eg., small scale unorganized retail is a huge in India today.

Tilak:

The equation is not that linear! 10 super markets and 500 kiranas could exist .. but 12 super markets could reduce the kiranas to 400 .. bcoz the balance of scales will tilt in favor of super markets with loss of business by kiranas ..




Ignored Fact #1: Local Kirana shop, and Supermarket serve different markets, and different purposes in India. This is already proven in China, Thailand etc.

Your titling of balances does not consider the fact that Indian retail is growing and "will continue to grow with capital investment". This allows space for FDI.

The decision is simple, will you stall the growth of the organized Indian retail space, or will you allow foreign capital and continue its growth?
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>>>> Imports from China is a huge small business today.

deliberate oxymoron ??

>>>> Let us say there are 10 big retail chains in a city. FDI will add two more.

The equation is not that linear! 10 super markets and 500 kiranas could exist .. but 12 super markets could reduce the kiranas to 400 .. bcoz the balance of scales will tilt in favor of super markets with loss of business by kiranas ..
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present scenario lo impossible .. red tape .. policy paralysis .. power crisis (infrastructure deficiency) .. no modern labor "reforms" .. etc .. no way we can reduce costs without these ..




that is were this change in FDI in retail will bring...

to survive people will be competitive, govt has to cut crap to make it even playing field etc etc...
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Kingfisher



aviation, retail lo enduku allow sesaaraa inkaa ardham kaaledaa
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we as people also has to reduce costs to be competitive.


present scenario lo impossible .. red tape .. policy paralysis .. power crisis (infrastructure deficiency) .. no modern labor "reforms" .. etc .. no way we can reduce costs without these ..
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This is their reasoning - http://www.niticentral.com/2012/09/fdi-in-multi-brand-retail -will-destroy-indian-manufacturing-agriculture.html U r welcome to contradict it ..




Lie #1: Domestic retailers source domestically
Fact #1: All domestic retail giants freely import from China. Imports from China is a huge small business today.

Lie #2: If purchasing power increases with the expansion of Indian economy, it will reflect in the co-existence of structured organized domestic retail and small retail. International retailers with deeper pockets will displace existing jobs in the retail sector, rather than creating additional jobs.A fragmented market is always in consumer interest. A consolidated market restricts the consumer choices

Fact #2: Let us say there are 10 big retail chains in a city. FDI will add two more. Are you fragmenting the market, or are you consolidating it?

Lie #3:The Chinese example is thoroughly misconceived. The international retailers like Walmart source their products from China, which they also sell in China and a large number of other countries. China gains hugely because its products are sold all over the world. It can hardly argue that you must source the products from China but not sell in China.

Fact #3: Read Fact #1 again. If Walmart can import from China, so can Tatas, or Reliance, or the Birla group. It is foolish to think that these groups, MNCs themselves are confining themselves to India.

And see the irony. This guy, Arun Jaitley, talks about Indian manufacturing, where as Narendra Modi asks Chinese firms to set up manufacturing in Gujarat, displacing the Indian manufacturer. Petty politics ..eh.
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can you plz tell .. how many jobs will be created by FDI in retail .. and how many jobs will be lost by the closing down of businesses .. any estimates/projections ani ..



ikkada emo #;s kavali
akkada emo theory kavali

one argument against retail is if they come in we might import cheap chinese products and that is true even today? we still get products from china in india to sell.

one argument against retail fdi is that manufacturing will be lost, yes it might but only where there is too much wastage.
we as people also has to reduce costs to be competitive.


still fdi in multibrand retail is still 50% so its ok.
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Thanks Tilak bhayya for link.. below para is in line with may points expressed in this thread..

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India needs manufacturing sector reforms in the first instance, so as to enable us develop into low cost manufacturing economy. For this, we need to improve infrastructure, low cost utilities, competitive interest rates and trade facilitation. Once these reforms bring down the cost of our manufacturing goods, we can expect international retailers to source domestically. In the absence of these reforms, international retailers will be selling the products of low-cost economies, leading to an adverse setback to our already challenged manufacturing sector.
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>>>>Yes, a small %age some will be affected.

I would like to see a number .. as to how many will be affected .. also on the jobs that will be created ..

>>>>But one thing is for sure, without FDI, even some of Indian retail chains have to close down bcoz they themselves admit they are tight on cash.

Indian govt can make banks lend money to retail chains instead of making them lend to Kingfisher and Deccan Chronicle under political pressure .. More than 10,000 crores have been lent to those companies and 90% of those debts are now "bad loans" with no chance of recovery and are written off ..
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Anyways - nenu oka question adigaanu JP ni for which I did not get a response .. before supporting FDI in retail .. can you plz tell .. how many jobs will be created by FDI in retail .. and how many jobs will be lost by the closing down of businesses .. any estimates/projections ani ..




Asalu closing down businesses anede pedha boothu.

Small businesses close down avvali ante ippatike avvali with more than 10yrs of Indian retail chains. Yes, a small %age some will be affected.

But one thing is for sure, without FDI, even some of Indian retail chains have to close down bcoz they themselves admit they are tight on cash.
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Bjp says we would lose lakhs of jobs...ee bjp ni adigava where did they come up with that figure anni



This is their reasoning - http://www.niticentral.com/2012/09/fdi-in-multi-brand-retail -will-destroy-indian-manufacturing-agriculture.html U r welcome to contradict it ..
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Subsidies are not the problem in India. Market it. Price for the farmer is.



inthakee ee FDI allow chesthunnappudu......is there any condition on procuremetns of the goods? ...taht they shoudl procure the goods locally....

info kosam aduguthunnaa....idi ekkadannaa mention chesaaraa?
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will be glad if someone can help me with an answer ..




Bjp says we would lose lakhs of jobs...ee bjp ni adigava where did they come up with that figure anni
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Anyways - nenu oka question adigaanu JP ni for which I did not get a response .. before supporting FDI in retail .. can you plz tell .. how many jobs will be created by FDI in retail .. and how many jobs will be lost by the closing down of businesses .. any estimates/projections ani ..

will be glad if someone can help me with an answer ..
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Evadiki istam vachindi vaadu type cheskodam.



Indiarocks:

It takes guts to debate a current issue with citizens openly





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US lo entha subsidies isthaaru farmers ki?




Subsidies are not the problem in India. Market it. Price for the farmer is.
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Contempt -




Gaali subbarao gaaru..ok na...kiki...
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Evado gaali subbarao. Evadiki istam vachindi vaadu type cheskodam. Daniki bharani whistles ikkada.


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>>>> Evado gaali subbarao. Evadiki istam vachindi vaadu type cheskodam. Daniki bharani whistles ikkada.

Contempt -
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US lo entha subsidies isthaaru farmers ki?


avanni maa kavasaram ledhu FDI concept vinadaniki posh gaa vundhi...kundelu ki rende kaaallu
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india ki capital okadu ivvaalaa?




ivvali. Idi cheptundi nenu kaadu. All Indian Retail giants.
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response by who ?




Evado gaali subbarao. Evadiki istam vachindi vaadu type cheskodam. Daniki bharani whistles ikkada.

China 90s lo FDI invite chesindi. Anthaku munde valla manufacturing, education, infra developed anta...LOL..
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infra ki capital nuvvu istava?


india ki capital okadu ivvaalaa?
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US lo entha mandi farmers suicides cheskunnaru?



US lo entha subsidies isthaaru farmers ki?
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response by who ?


some aam aadmi ..
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Response ---> Western MNC's are the largest generators of waste.


response by who ?

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Tanu progress ki road vesi, adhe daari Modi,Niteesh laanti vallaki choopinchaadu...



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infrastrucure develop cheskovali..



infra ki capital nuvvu istava?

Akkada existing retail chains maaku capital kavali, foreign investment kavali antunte.
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R1 - China built the Infra, invested heavily in education before they started to invite FDI, can we say same.




LOL...China invited FDI 20yrs ago. Anthaku munde valla education, infra developed aa..dentho navvali...
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Oh yeah. That is why we have 40% food wasted before it reaches the market.


infrastrucure develop cheskovali...walmart lu vasthe nee country ki emi vupayogam bongu...vallu baagu padatam tappa
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Did not Walmart cripple the US farmer? What about shifting manufacturing jobs from US to China?




Asalu konchem kooda teliyakunda ela vadistaru mastaru? US lo entha mandi farmers suicides cheskunnaru?

One other thing- In India Govt is the biggest customer to the farmer. They will remain even after FDI. Retail chains will only bring in more competition, naturally benefiting the farmer.
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JP's tweet - Swadesi is about strengthening the country & not isolating it. China welcomes FDI and is now a mighty power.

R1 - China built the Infra, invested heavily in education before they started to invite FDI, can we say same.

R2 - China, Korea, Japan protect their domestic industry, check out the tariff barriers MNC's face there.

R3 - Do you know that couple of years back in S.Korea, they were massive protests against beef import from US?

R4 - When we speak of East Asia, those nations invested heavily in education, R&D, how much have we?

R5 - It is not just East Asia, almost all developed nations be it Aus,EU,US protect their domestic industry.


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Tilak:

Response ---> Western MNC's are the largest generators of waste.


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Swadesi is about strengthening the country & not isolating it.




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thier supply chain is a remarkable, they are the one who delivers goods during floods and catastrophes better than US govt




Oh yeah. That is why we have 40% food wasted before it reaches the market.
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thier supply chain is a remarkable, they are the one who delivers goods during floods and catastrophes better than US govt



Did not Walmart cripple the US farmer? What about shifting manufacturing jobs from US to China?
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Swadesi is about strengthening the country & not isolating it. China welcomes FDI and is now a mighty power. #loksattalive #FDI





What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Sanman:

is it lack of ideas or lack of audience ?


Jagan ki vachina votes choosi matladuthunnavaa?

Sanman:

CBN 30 years gaa politics lo unnaadu. can you summarize his message in a line or two ?


almost 10 years CM gaa vunnadu...Tanu progress ki road vesi, adhe daari Modi,Niteesh laanti vallaki choopinchaadu...

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JP's tweet ---> It stabilizes prices, creates jobs and adds value and eliminates waste.

Response ---> Western MNC's are the largest generators of waste.
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Tilak:

What technology does Walmart bring in? And the less said about it's management practices the better.




thier supply chain is a remarkable, they are the one who delivers goods during floods and catastrophes better than US govt

their mantra is low cost, management practices kuda daniki taggatugane vuntai
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Tilak:

What technology does Walmart bring in?




Walmart operates one of the biggest supply chains in the world. If you think they are doing this without technology...LOL at the ignorance.

And Capital, as JP mentioned is the biggest input.

Indian retail chains themselves accept that they are cash strapped.
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idealistic gaa rojuku 100 matladochu...



why aren't other politicians doing it ? is it lack of ideas or lack of audience ? CBN 30 years gaa politics lo unnaadu. can you summarize his message in a line or two ?

Gandhiguevara:

bayata reality etlaa vundho theleekundaa edho okati most idealistic answer ...


going with the tide is not leadership. it is salesmanship.

Abcdefghij:

people who cannot come to power can only have integrity these days coz once they come to power the reality is different


he had authority before and there are no known instances of him abusing it. if what you say is true world can never see new leaders.


Abcdefghij:

JP kodiga reality add cheyali...


reality chusukunte TDP and congress dukaanaalu bandh chesukovali. if you want to bet on winning horses go with YSRCP not TDP
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1990s lo kooda andaru reform ante bhayapadina valle. That is why we still talk abt PVNR. Prathi daniki vote lekkalu veskuni danni batti decisions theeskune valla gurinchi kaadu.


pidukki biyyani okate mantram veyyali -JP
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Tilak:

JP's Response ---> Many of our companies have become MNC's. It works both ways. In fact India is doing better than China in foreign acquisitions.


services industries ni veetini compare chesaadaa? kikiki...Walmart killed american smal business too...manaki alternative ledhu aa vishyam lo...babu JP gaaru meeru shop mooskuni intlo koorchunte gouravam gaa vuntundhemo
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power lo voche party lo 294 constituency lo poti chesi geliche chance vunna party no this is it anni cheppalevu due to people itself...




So, you are talking abt followers, not leaders.

1990s lo kooda andaru reform ante bhayapadina valle. That is why we still talk abt PVNR. Prathi daniki vote lekkalu veskuni danni batti decisions theeskune valla gurinchi kaadu.
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Example -

JP's tweet ---> Even Indian companies want FDI. If the bring in capital, management & technology, they should be welcome

Responses #1 ---> What technology does Walmart bring in? And the less said about it's management practices the better.

R #2 ---> If we have adequate governance, FDI is always helpful. If not, await chaos!

R #3 ---> Management practices r a function of culture/ environment. Walmart may bring in technology/process India lacks

JP's Response ---> Many of our companies have become MNC's. It works both ways. In fact India is doing better than China in foreign acquisitions.

JP's Response ---> limiting to select big cities protects small traders. 75% of trade will remain with small traders in a fast going market.
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Tilak:

Opposition lo chaala mandi BJP vaallu they are active on twitter .. engage with ppl on most important issues on a day to day basis .. just FYI ..





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Sanman:




people who cannot come to power can only have integrity these days coz once they come to power the reality is different

thread lo kurchoni enni stories anna cheppochu manam politically correct statements, singamalli statements etc... power lo voche party lo 294 constituency lo poti chesi geliche chance vunna party no this is it anni cheppalevu due to people itself...

JP kodiga reality add cheyali...
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Tilak:

lets see if he understands people ..


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Sanman:

in today's world it is hard to find a person with integrity and intellectual consistency in politics. not just in India but any country. future generation Indians will have great respect for JP, if at all India survives the selfish and corrupt politicians of today



plz go through the tweets from this .. http://twitter.com/JP_LOKSATTA

no doubt he can assume he is personally honest or anything .. but his tweets have got some pretty good responses .. lets see if he understands people ..
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future generation Indians will have great respect for JP,


idealistic gaa rojuku 100 matladochu...bayata reality etlaa vundho theleekundaa edho okati most idealistic answer ...elaagoo implement ayyedhi chachedi vundadhu kabatti...JP gaaru baa chepparandi anukodaaniki tappa deniki paniki raadhu
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If possible transcript ikkada paste cheyyagalaraa?


its not chat exactly ..

www.twitter.com ki velli #loksattalive ani hashtag tho search cheyyandi ..

or else .. http://twitter.com/JP_LOKSATTA

Opposition lo chaala mandi BJP vaallu they are active on twitter .. engage with ppl on most important issues on a day to day basis .. just FYI ..
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in today's world it is hard to find a person with integrity and intellectual consistency in politics. not just in India but any country. future generation Indians will have great respect for JP, if at all India survives the selfish and corrupt politicians of today
your google is as good as mine
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chillara vyaparulu twitter lo JP tho discuss chestunnara


LOL
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Indiarocks:

It takes guts to debate a current issue with citizens openly. Something both the Govt and the opposition failed to do for a long time.




chillara vyaparulu twitter lo JP tho discuss chestunnara

guts kavala


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Indiarocks:

It takes guts to debate a current issue with citizens openly. Something both the Govt and the opposition failed to do for a long time.


chaa...velli reservations gurinchi matladamanu dammunte...akkada niluvunaa paataresthaaru...bayalderaaru guts gurinchi matladukuntoo..

Damunte JP ni reservations gurinchi open gaa matladamanu soodhaam
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Good going JP. One of the very few true politicians left in the country. It is only a matter of time before he hits the right chord with voting population.
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It takes guts to debate a current issue with citizens openly. Something both the Govt and the opposition failed to do for a long time.
What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Tilak,

If possible transcript ikkada paste cheyyagalaraa?
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Ivaala #loksattalive tag tho .. JP did a program on twitter in support of FDI in retail and hike in Diesel price ..

U have see the questions ppl put to JP and the way they responded to his tweets in support of FDI .. :-)
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post motham chaduvu.....
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its valid to oppose as party leader




opp leader sylabus diff from leader in power ... artham cheskoru ...

I am jupi in my prev birth
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Indiarocks:

Babu thopu aithe FDI enduku oppose chestunnadu oka reason cheppachu.




FDI ni oppose cheyataledu

FDI in retail oppose chestunnadu

there are some versions that there could be lose of jobs in retail so its valid to oppose as party leader
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Babu thopu aithe FDI enduku oppose chestunnadu oka reason cheppachu.
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JP gari speechlu baguntaii andiii
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itanti sollu chepithene dippa meeda nalugu essaru malli case kuda eyyaledu...telarilegiste maname topu turams...




Fight chese vadike thagulutayi debbalu. Assembly lo gajulu thodukkuni moolana koorchunna vadiki kaadu.
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I am a such a big supporter of Naidu, but it is depressing to see him come to the level of the lowest common denominator in political rhetoric and ideologies



mari inkaa support enduku cheyyadam.......maanesi koddigaa ideology match ayye party ki cheyyochugaa
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itanti sollu chepithene dippa meeda nalugu essaru malli case kuda eyyaledu...telarilegiste maname topu turams...


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FDI full form kooda telisi undadu Babu ki malli oppose cheskunta bayaluderadu




itanti sollu chepithene dippa meeda nalugu essaru malli case kuda eyyaledu...telarilegiste maname topu turams...


Filmbuff:

That is what has made CBN lose trust of people. Manishi annaka oka ideology undali, he was such an ardent supporter of liberalisation and reforms. Ippudu he keeps opposing nuclear agreements with US and any reforms. What is his stance on anything? I am a such a big supporter of Naidu, but it is depressing to see him come to the level of the lowest common denominator in political rhetoric and ideologies.



agree but Manmohan laga vunte tappithe oka stand ki stick avvaleru that to lead a party its not easy....

change change annaru maa babu change ayyadu...

Nuclear ki oppose chesi vundalsindi kadu, Retail it has both sides so its ok emo..

Janam gorrelu, kastapadithe eyyaru dochukonte estaru...YSR successfully maligned babu due to pro-poor policies...

ippudu AP aduku dobbutundi ante YSR gari chalave jananiki/gorrelaki teliyali ante 5-10years padutundi...monna current tho kodiga telisindi...
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Frustration naaku kaadu, neeku.


LOL...ekkada emi jariginaa last 8 years nundi adhikaram lo leni CBN meeda edavaka pothe tnidra pattadu...frustration naakaa? kikiki
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"Tax payer cannot subsidize private fuel consumption. Money does not grow on trees. Consumer or tax payer has to pay. Better consumer pays."


This is true .. tax payer is already tolerating big ticket corruption, asking him to subsidize poor consumers is asking too much ..
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That is what has made CBN lose trust of people. Manishi annaka oka ideology undali, he was such an ardent supporter of liberalisation and reforms. Ippudu he keeps opposing nuclear agreements with US and any reforms. What is his stance on anything? I am a such a big supporter of Naidu, but it is depressing to see him come to the level of the lowest common denominator in political rhetoric and ideologies.
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prev .. we used to have bureaucracy (officers) and one king .. now in the name of democracy we have the same bureaucracy but more kings ... each king is collecting his own taxes from people ... some day india should disqualify all politicians, dissolve all parties and choose some other means of governance ...
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correct bhayya.. inka janaalne share chesukommantunnaru.. chesukuntaaru. tappadu. kani inni scams lo unna money antha tax payers de kadaa... ee money anthaa ee leaders oorke dobbestunnaru. If it was properly spent or utilized konchem better emo kadaa..... Dongal dongal mottam voorlu panchesukunnaru...
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Taht too better consumer pays ante consumer eppudu pay cheyyaledu.. he is always doing kadaaa... He neither does have an option.




no no ... consumer was paying only subsidized price .. the subsidy money govt is paying from tax payer's packet .. now even stevens ... less subsidy .. so some consumer paying .. some tax payer ..

his msg is simple .. govt does not have a penny to offer .. e'thing tax payer ... and world bank loan ... whose interest again tax payer pays ...
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YSR regime lo power andari chetullo vundhaa? this very statement shows your frustration towards CBN...god bless




CBN time lo power concentration undi ante YSR time lo ledu ani arthama?

YSR poyadu malli CM avvadu. CBN is still alive, and is the opposition leader.

Frustration naaku kaadu, neeku.
What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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With FDI nothing will change in towns like kurnool.
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Such places constitute so many farmers kadaa.. how come this is so ideal then? just trying to understand...
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And leaders like CBN's regime was the prime example of concentration of power with the CM.


YSR regime lo power andari chetullo vundhaa? this very statement shows your frustration towards CBN...god bless
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racha lepadu ...
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Correctey bhayya... kaani why there is no voice on other core issues of corruption? adi naa kocchen... Taht too better consumer pays ante consumer eppudu pay cheyyaledu.. he is always doing kadaaa... He neither does have an option.
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Aa video lo chupinchinantha Rosy gaa untundaaa bhayya situation andari farmers ku?
chudataniki ideal ga untundi kaani large scale lo how is it possible? Pedda cities lo alaa konchem better emo kaani konni towns and lesser places lo how can they do this? ye players ittanti places lo stores pedataaru? Kurnool main town lo just two super markets manchivi (ee town range ku) unnai.. More and spencer. Ivi ravataniki konni years pattindi. ittanti places yenno....




With FDI nothing will change in towns like kurnool.
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TDP core philosophy ee idi kada ... less federal govt, more power distribution, at least party start chesinappudu !!




We already have decentralization b/n federal and states.

What we need is decentralization within the state. And leaders like CBN's regime was the prime example of concentration of power with the CM.
What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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"Tax payer cannot subsidize private fuel consumption. Money does not grow on trees. Consumer or tax payer has to pay. Better consumer pays."


racha lepadu ...
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@ IndiaRocks: wants the power to be with ppl. He wants to decentralize it, and let villages, towns and cities decide what they want.
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There you go.
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Aa video lo chupinchinantha Rosy gaa untundaaa bhayya situation andari farmers ku?
chudataniki ideal ga untundi kaani large scale lo how is it possible? Pedda cities lo alaa konchem better emo kaani konni towns and lesser places lo how can they do this? ye players ittanti places lo stores pedataaru? Kurnool main town lo just two super markets manchivi (ee town range ku) unnai.. More and spencer. Ivi ravataniki konni years pattindi. ittanti places yenno....
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JP wants the power to be with ppl. He wants to decentralize it, and let villages, towns and cities decide what they want.


"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." -Henry Ford
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ainaa inka post pada ledhe JP krushi valle India ki FDI ani yee paatiki post paduthundi anukunnanu
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Em CBN mari anta worst aa ?? :D




CBN ki core values lo opposite JP.

CBN wants all power in his hands. He wants to control everything in the state.

JP wants the power to be with ppl. He wants to decentralize it, and let villages, towns and cities decide what they want.
What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Mimmalni apaartham chesukunna manninchandi.


yeah...ayana inkevarni anadu...Sudan lo US embassy meeda attack ki kaaranam kudaa 2001 lo Chandrababu vidhanalu antaadu...yatha JP thatha IR
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Em CBN mari anta worst aa ?? :D

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Babu...Babu ante tamaru kaadu. CBN.
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Oh Sorry andi (Sunil style in Jai Chiranjeeva)...

Mimmalni apaartham chesukunna manninchandi.
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JP ni choostunte 96-2002 CBN gurtostunnadu



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JP ni choostunte 96-2002 CBN gurtostunnadu, enta visionary ga unde vadu ippudu quite opposite tayar ayyadu


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Anna, Mana Oil production contributes less than 25% of our consumption, yearly 100 billion imports chesi, vatini subsidize chesi market price kante tagginche istunnar inka enta tagistar, anavasranga govt ke bokka aa money vere sectors lo use cheyochhu, corruption meeda policies meeda dobachhu kani ee topic meeda evaru power lo unna peekedem ledu !!


correct ye...but the whole episode lo govt is playing number game...subsidy isthunte aaa money oil companies pocket lo vuntay kadhaa...mari loss ekkada?
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Babu...Babu ante tamaru kaadu. CBN.
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FDI full form kooda telisi undadu Babu ki malli oppose cheskunta bayaluderadu
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I guess I did not speak against anyone... meeru aa range lo react avvatam pure unnecessary.

Sorry bhayya... meerante chala goppollu... mekanni telusu..goppavallu. ivatali vallaku emi teleevu. JP kanna actual ga meere ekkuva intellectual ga kanipistunnaru. Please proceed. God bless you...
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JP ni choostunte 96-2002 CBN gurtostunnadu, enta visionary ga unde vadu ippudu quite opposite tayar ayyadu :-( , power lo ki vaste malli pata CBN kavali !!

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Isolated case ante artham telusa? LOL..


LOL....akkada isolated cases annaanu...bhale maarusthavoy poota ko maata JP the GOPI laa
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@ GandhiGuevara: .but oil price subsidize chesina antha price endukundi? vere desaallo enduku ledhu....paigaa manam Oil and NG producers kudaa...adhi matladadem //


Anna, Mana Oil production contributes less than 25% of our consumption, yearly 100 billion imports chesi, vatini subsidize chesi market price kante tagginche istunnar inka enta tagistar, anavasranga govt ke bokka aa money vere sectors lo use cheyochhu, corruption meeda policies meeda dobachhu kani ee topic meeda evaru power lo unna peekedem ledu !!

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Kani ela FDI vallu small farmers nu elaa aprroach avutaaru? what will be the way for that?



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http://ibnlive.in.com/cnnibnvideos/top-us/291931.html




There you go.
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FDI full form kooda telisi undadu Babu ki malli oppose cheskunta bayaluderadu
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FDI vallu small farmers nu elaa aprroach avutaaru




The supply chain will start at the farm and end at the consumer's house with investments in different sectors - even real estate and IT as well.
Today the small farmer takes his produce to the Govt procurement camps. And is not able to sell - since only the big farmers are able to sell thier produce at the MSP.
The small farmers after the procurement period is over are left at the mercy of the middlemen - who offer to buy the produce at a lower than MSP rate - The small farmer does not have an option.

The big farmer will always sell to the Govt - FDI or no FDI.
Hence the MNCs like ITC, Pepsi, Walmart(once they come in)will buy from the small farmers at a lower than MSP rate but not as low as the erstwhile middleman.And more importantly - there is proper demand forecasting and the farmer knows how much to produce - long term - contracts spreading over 2-3 years will be the norm for economies of scale.
All will not be hunky dory - but better than what it is today
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peekarle...yee saari aaa okka seat kudaa ivvam...ittanti one or two isolated cases ni generalize cheyyali ani choose vallani..




Delhi daggara, Hyd daggara same story. Isolated case ante artham telusa? LOL..
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guddivallaki, cheviti vallaki kooda artham autundemo..


peekarle...yee saari aaa okka seat kudaa ivvam...ittanti one or two isolated cases ni generalize cheyyali ani choose vallani..

US lo model ye teesko...ikkada farmers ooo iraga podichesthunnaaraaa....even after those huge subsidies...vellandayya....desaanni sanka naakinche varaku aa musalodu nidra podu...tandana batch yee JP goru
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Workout avvadhu kaadhu - avvanivvaledhu ippativaruku....
Now - bhayam puttukundhi local politicians ki (That is why the congress grass root politician is also not happy) - small farmers valla grip lonchi vellipothaaru - they have an alternative buyer ani.....
Punjab lo - even in early ninities, Pepsi was allowed to purchase directly from the farmers - and they benefited a lot at that time - small farmers especially.
ITC choupals also did the same thing -and now it needs to be done on a larger scale.

The biggest losers in the long run will be the MIDDLEMEN- who also happen to be fertiliser dealers.

ee arguments anni kaadhu - Grass roots politicians NO antunnaru across all parties ante - THIS IS A GOOD MOVE :-)
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"FDI vallu" ante big players ani kavi hrudayam..
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Dada:

Please analyse without any prejudices.
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Prejudicie tho analyse cheyyataniki aaynem na enemy kadu. aayanante respect thone fb lo add chesa. Kani ela FDI vallu small farmers nu elaa aprroach avutaaru? what will be the way for that?
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vallu sangareddy daggarlo oka oorlo adhyayanam chesaaru...desam motham apply cheyochu...elaano theliyadhu gaani cheyochu




kinda delhi daggara adhyayanam chesina video ichanu choodu..LOL..

guddivallaki, cheviti vallaki kooda artham autundemo..
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The small farmer is no longer at the mercy of the middleman. He has a ready buyer who is entering into a long term contract. Of course - that also elimates windfall profits....but today the situation is such that the small farmer is happy if the produce gets sold - even at a little profit. And now he will get this.


very wrong ideology published by so called intellectuals...adhi India lo workout kaadhu ippatlo
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http://ibnlive.in.com/cnnibnvideos/top-us/291931.html
What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Satyamshivam:

4th Point: Sir.. edo Win-win antunnaru. Small time farmers elaa win-win?


vallu sangareddy daggarlo oka oorlo adhyayanam chesaaru...desam motham apply cheyochu...elaano theliyadhu gaani cheyochu
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Satyamshivam:

Small time farmers elaa win-win?




FDI in retail actually helps the small farmer - not the big farmer.....Please analyse without any prejudices.
The small farmer is no longer at the mercy of the middleman. He has a ready buyer who is entering into a long term contract. Of course - that also elimates windfall profits....but today the situation is such that the small farmer is happy if the produce gets sold - even at a little profit. And now he will get this.
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Indiarocks:

Center lo vallaki JP okkade vote vesada? India's most corrupt politicians lo okadu party petti, jail lo koorchunna, monna bi-election lo overwhelming gaa gelipincharu..

Cheppalsindi politicians ki matramena?
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Ade mari... Just okka instance tessukuni prajalni justify cheste etla? 2009 elections lo percentage of votes was not clear majority for anyone in state. Same Prajalu elected JP from Kukatpally.

even then Prajalaku salahaalu cheppocchu no issue... my point is always one side preaching enduku ani. Okka maata anna mana mooga PM meeda matlaadara JP?
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Satyamshivam:

"Tax payer cannot subsidize private fuel consumption. Money does not grow on trees. Consumer or tax payer has to pay. Better consumer pays."


correct ye...but oil price subsidize chesina antha price endukundi? vere desaallo enduku ledhu....paigaa manam Oil and NG producers kudaa...adhi matladadem...just congress thothu arguments tappa....Soniamma ki cheppandi manchi pet puppet avuthaadu MMS laagaa...penchukuntundhi...kikiki
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Satyamshivam:

First centre lo state lo paisa kuda vadalkunda dochukuntunna leaders ku cheppandi saami neetulu...




Center lo vallaki JP okkade vote vesada? India's most corrupt politicians lo okadu party petti, jail lo koorchunna, monna bi-election lo overwhelming gaa gelipincharu..

Cheppalsindi politicians ki matramena?
What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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3rd point.. emotion baga carry chesaru JP garu.enta sepu People ku valla duties and responsibilities matrame gurthu chestaara.... what's up with stupid politicians? Petrol diesel gas eeni sarlu penchina prajalu pay chetune unnru. evariki ee suggestion? First centre lo state lo paisa kuda vadalkunda dochukuntunna leaders ku cheppandi saami neetulu...

4th Point: Sir.. edo Win-win antunnaru. Small time farmers elaa win-win?
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"There is no solid argument against FDI in infrastructure. We need more investment. Capital is scarce. We must tap all sources."

"It is time all politicians realized that nation is above parties and power games. India cannot forever be held to ransom for power & v ..."

"Tax payer cannot subsidize private fuel consumption. Money does not grow on trees. Consumer or tax payer has to pay. Better consumer pays."

"FDI retail benefits farmers & consumers & boosts agri sector. Small traders will continue to thrive in growing market. It is win-win!"