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     Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7376 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.184.3.196 Rating: N/A |
ippude complete chesa chadavadam .. I know similar people .. donno wats going to happen .. but situation daarunam ga unna maata vastavam .. inko generation taravata pujarlu undaru .. inkaa chaala temples ni mooseyyali .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Thikka_sankara Comedian Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 1569 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.164.155.194 Rating: N/A |
hmmm.... oka... let me rephrase it.... what I realised now is... even the word public is wrong when it comes to Devotion and God... its Personal.... Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7339 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
https://twitter.com/pawandurani/status/234672709894799360/ph oto/1 Front view of Pura Ulun Danu Bratan , a Hindu Temple in #Indonesia ,considered most beautiful temple in the #world India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7337 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
it temples are autonomous .. many more priests than today will get livelihood .. ala ani .. nenu reliance temples ni ban cheyyamani cheppatledu ga .. they can have their own temple .. daanidemundi .. just that i will avoid going antunna .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandir ee tenets tho unte chaalu temples .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7303 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
even if that means more priests getting livelihood. got it your google is as good as mine | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7336 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
eggzactly .. in principle opposition profit oriented gudulaki .. ippudu choice ledu kabatti going .. choice unte will avoid .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7301 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
ante aa gudiki ellanu annaava kamalai your google is as good as mine | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7335 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
I got u .. correct ga cheppav .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7299 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
right now it does. chilukuri balaji temple ni take over cheyadaaniki try chesindhi. they are not limited to our state. they have to follow the state laws wherever they build. hundi unte endowments take over chestundhi. belong to people ante govt aa ? aadikesavulu naidu lanti vaallu dollar seshadri lanti vaallu govt ante. anthenduku temple board members gaa evaru elect authaaru ? gudi chairman ante mla gadi chamchaa untaadu general gaa. vaadiki adho income source for doing the dirty works of politicians. govt hospitals and govt schools belong to people. choice unna entha mandhi pamputunnaam pillalni your google is as good as mine | ||
| Thikka_sankara Comedian Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 1567 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.164.155.194 Rating: N/A |
I dont understand the question.... why would govt stop anyone from building a temple.... birla mandirs? iskcon temples? ivanni enti?? built by private entities ye kadaa..... my only point is a temple can be built by anyone, but once the temple is built, the temple is an entity on its own and belongs to people.... you see there is nothing private about it!!!! Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7332 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
I am all for eliminating silly govts from religion!  I dont mind .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7331 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
1) Why can cleaner, prompt, responsive temples be provided only by corporates/private entities? if there is enough patronage and good intent from the volunteers - arent they possible? we dont need govt fingering, but why do we need corporates to have good temples, is beyond me .. poorva kaalam lo temples ela run ayyevi? 2) See profit making from temple ante .. in my opinion, it makes the whole setup a business .. which is something I dont like .. I would instead pray at a temple which is free with good service .. and believe me or not .. i usually try to avoid unethical purchases (like say buy something from Kingfisher - bcoz they are a liquor company essentially, may be I am old fashioned .. but ofcourse I am finding it increasingly difficult to follow this policy of mine .. )
India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7296 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
the question is do you want the govt to stop people from building private temples. no one has a problem with your individual choice of which temple to visit. your google is as good as mine | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7295 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
that is the choice you are making as an individual. i don't have a problem with it. as long as you keep any kind of govt/some other group's control out of the equation. and allow reliance temples to operate your google is as good as mine | ||
| Filmbuff Junior Artist Username: Filmbuff Post Number: 569 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 115.241.54.32 Rating: N/A |
Meerandaru baga idealists laga unnaru. Tilak - you say that if you find that a temple is making profit, you will look for another temple. Two questions - a) If the profit making temple is cleaner, providing timely service, good darshan, accountable priests at affordable and comparable cost why will you not go the temple. You are putting some ambiguous concept of religion above the true value you are seeking. In a normal temple, you can't question the priest if you are not getting the right service. But in a commercial enterprise, everyone is accountable as charging a fee establishes a contract between the customer and the service provider. b) Do you stop going to a Sai Baba temple because they are making profits that are not accounted for anywhere. People will not stop buying Louis Vuitton bags or Gillette razors because their manufacturers (LVMH or P&G) are making huge profits. You see whether you are getting what you really want and make a decision accordingly. | ||
| Thikka_sankara Comedian Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 1565 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.164.155.194 Rating: N/A |
no bhayya.... in my opinion, a temple cannot be (should not be kaadu cannot) private.... for the simple reason that the GOD inside cannot be private.... infact, this whole creation is his private property ani nammithene gudi kelthe upayogam.... with such a mindset I cannot fathom a private temple.... its against my understanding.... so I'll stick to my stand.... a temple can never be private Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7294 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
every business is a public property in a sense. who do you want the money to go to. the people who provide the service or the people who assume control over it through authority annadhe question your google is as good as mine | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7330 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
Who is giving us the service .. whats their motive .. history of the temple .. credibility of service matter ani cheptunna .. non-profit motive unna temples ke naa vote ..
yes .. and even this should be changed .. we need to get rid of govt control on temples and make them autonomous .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7293 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
i don't get the point. private temples vasthe tirumala ki pora ? right now you are still paying for services which go into pockets of corrupt people who did nothing for the temple your google is as good as mine | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7328 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
No, it can be a private property as well .. but it simply should not be a business .. doesnt matter who deals .. the govts or corporates .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Thikka_sankara Comedian Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 1564 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.164.155.194 Rating: N/A |
As you name it.... same serpent....different heads.... anyway.... when a temple is private and public are donating money for its development and the authorities involved are eating it away, I would like to call it corruption... I think this is where your view and mine differ.... you want temple to be a private property whereas I want it to be a PUBLIC PROPERTY.... Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7327 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
In the colony I live .. there is a Venkateswara Swamy temple .. like in Tirumala, why do I prefer Tirumala? if u can understand why .. then u get the answer ..
may be it is correct .. but naaku temples profit kosam cheste nachadu .. in that case .. I will pray for the lord in my pujaroom .. big deal .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7290 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
technically only govt can do corruption since public money is involved. if a company is cheating govt, it is fraud, not corruption. if employees are cheating a private company, it is not affecting the public. it is affecting the business. that is why it is curbed quickly. i don't have a problem with volunteers/free service providers. it is just a matter of choice. commercialize cheyadam ante gullo star bucks force cheyadam ledhu kadha. just like any other business the management will know what the people are looking for and provide that service better than their competition but oka temple surroundings unclean gaa undi inko temple spotless gaa unte ae gudiki velthaaru (considering of course same god) your google is as good as mine | ||
| Thikka_sankara Comedian Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 1562 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.164.155.194 Rating: N/A |
bhayy... first come out of the myth that govt alone can do corruption! gudi annadi kattevaadu darsinche vaadu bhakthi tho cheyyalsina panulu.... if you see.... many of the preists working in very old temples.... do that not because of money.... they get very very less amount and sometimes they are in absolute poverty.... mari enduku chesthaaru ante... for them service to god is ultimate... they are not maintaining temple they are serving GOD....... oka example chepthaa Last december lo TN lo in and around kumbakonnam there are many many divyadesams (vaishnava temples) which are each centuries old (800 to 1200).... so oka 3 days 28 temples trip vesaam.... you wont believe how those temples are and how the priests are surviving!!!! vallani intha takkuva money annappudu enduku chesthunnaru ani kooda adagav if you observe their state of mind.... vaallaki aaa gudi lo unnadi vigraham kaadu, its the perumal himself... and for them they have confidence that whatever is required will be taken care of, because its not about them, its about service to GOD and someone would be always ready to help in need.... alaanti devotional angle ni ilaaa commercialise chesi teeseyyadam not correct IMO.... general gaa awareness perigi people themselves have to start taking care of such sincere efforts!!!! Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Rock Side Hero Username: Rock Post Number: 5164 Registered: 04-2012 Posted From: 209.55.81.236 Rating: N/A |
ie question ki na answere tilak answer ani chepthunna. nenu gudi ki vellinappudu service gurinchi peddaga pattinchukonu. serivice is kinda irrelavant to me. devudi ki dandam pettukoni vacchestanu. devudu ni business ga na mind accept cheyyadhu. ala accept cheyyakapovatam valla devudini business ga chuse place lo i probably wont feel same spirtuality as i feel other places. so i wont go there for me. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7289 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
why dont you see what is in it for you rather than what is in it for them ? your google is as good as mine | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7288 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
because it has monopoly they are able to do that now. asalu govt control ae lenappudu where does the question of corruption arise your google is as good as mine | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7287 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
nenu cheptundhi for profit temples gurinche kadha. why do you see what is in it for you rather than what is in it for them ? so what does a priest do to hit that number ? charge for services ? let him. people still have the choice whether or not to go to that temple. and reliance will change it model when people don't go because of those fees that is beautiful. that's how any business works. that is how lot of businesses close shops. kindha fb ichina saibaba example correcte ga your google is as good as mine | ||
| Thikka_sankara Comedian Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 1561 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.164.155.194 Rating: N/A |
tirumala laanti heavy rush templese money charge chesthonte (entrance fee + facilities fee) commercialise ayyindi ani godava chesthuntaaru janaalu.... alaantidi temples ni profits kosam nadipithe sickularists godava godava chesthaaru....... also..... hundi collections laksha daati thene dochuku thintondi prabhuthvam.... inka eee concept osthe elaa untundo position Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7326 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
I dont propose to stop anyone "investing" in a temple .. but if I get to know that it is for the sake of profits - I will try to find a temple I like .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Filmbuff Junior Artist Username: Filmbuff Post Number: 568 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 115.241.54.32 Rating: N/A |
I agree with Sanman here. Not just because i am an atheist. Partly because of what i see in AP especially. Which is the fastest growing god in AP. It is Sai baba. Why, because it is an excellent money making opportunity for everyone. It has become a business, even though idealists like Tilak might not want it. I personally know someone who has occupied a park in Bhagyanagar colony in KPHB in Hyderabad and went all the way to the Supreme Court to fight for that. He has built a Sai Baba temple there, and he mints money there. He is not answerable to anyone - Endowments or anyone. There is a temple opposite my house in Bangalore, he also makes his millions (he is also from AP). In a way it is like illicit liquor versus legalising prohibition. Instead of ignoring the fact that religion is a business, accept it and open it up and then see that services are top notch, priests get their due, etc. In fact i had a business idea to set up a chain of Sai Baba temples across the country. I did propose this to a group of friends who laughed at me attributing it to my atheism !!!! | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7325 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
what will make corporate like reliance to "invest" in a temple .. if not profit? motive of service? sure they can make profits selling coconuts or flowers outside a temple .. but my only contention is .. if reliance "invests" in a temple, hires a Pujari and sets the pujari a target of 10,000 rupees a day .. otherwise .. I dont have a problem .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7286 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
how do you propose you stop people from seeking profit from temples your google is as good as mine | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7324 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
I never did. I expressed my opinion saying, it is morally wrong to seek profit out of a temple. I did not talk about Stop/Ban etc .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7284 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
of course they are consumers. there is a service provider and there is a consumer. sure it is not a traditional model but all principles of economics apply. your policy also says the same. STOP/CONTROL/BAN private investments in temples what makes you think reliance or some private business will charge an entry fee ? right now the not for profit temples all charge a fee. but with my policy because of the competition they will be forced to reduce/make it free. they can make their money elsewhere as long as they have traffic. they might make their profits from donations/stall leases/function halls/book,cd sales etc says who ? right now they are for profit. except the profit goes to govt directly and to corrupt board members and huj subsidies indirectly your google is as good as mine | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7323 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
certainly .. but for that .. temples have to be made into a business, no other go? India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7322 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
devotees go to temples - they are not consumers .. 
on paper .. endowments dept says a lot of things .. but does not exactly work in that area .. and just bcoz they failed having the same motive on paper .. does not mean my idea should fail .. btw, I am all for temples to be out from govt control .. thats an interesting answer .. but they dont exactly work in the spiritual sector, just bcoz their shop lies in temple premises .. temples have long been non-profit orgz .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Jatayu Comedian Username: Jatayu Post Number: 1514 Registered: 04-2012 Posted From: 122.178.210.78 Rating: N/A |
but we need to show a way for priests to maintain their life kada annai.. If you are good at something.. never do it for free.. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7283 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
you might be right about people's acceptance. i don't know. if that is true the end result is for profit temples getting closed which i don't mind. yes but the results are not commensurate with your goals from your policy. ippudu endowments unnadhi kuda andhuke gaa. pavithramaina devaalayaalu vyaapaara samsthalu gaa maarakunda undadaaniki (officially). how is your stand different. i am saying don't interfere/stop/dictate private individuals what to do and limit the consumer decide who wins same as the person who sells coconuts outside the temple. do you want him to work for free because he is working in spiritual sector your google is as good as mine | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7320 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: |
bhayya .. tell this to me .. what will be reliance temples goal? what will be it serving? this thread is throwing up interesting ideas .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7318 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
I look at this this way .. my policy (of not looking at the number of temples) makes Hinduism spiritual .. retains it in the 'desired form' (considering number game is not an aim of Hinduism) .. yours? nenu purathana vadini enti? all I am saying is .. lets not make religion a business .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Rock Side Hero Username: Rock Post Number: 5158 Registered: 04-2012 Posted From: 209.55.81.236 Rating: N/A |
ala cheyyatam present society mindset ki not possible anukontunna. oka profit organization temple anedhi accept chesentha level ki society inka raledhu ani na opinion . ala cheyatam anedhi mana religion ni gabbu lepukovadame simple ga | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7282 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
paid services is only one way to make money. if there are more temples they will be forced to make it free because of competition and find their profits from stall leases and such your google is as good as mine | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7281 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
aunu when there is no regulation there will be both for profit and not for profit temples. choice is still yours. reliance vaadu ooriko gudi katti first class services provide chesthe meeku vache problem enti. if you are against reliance temples go to birla temple your google is as good as mine | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7280 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
adhi nee korika bhayya. end of the day your policy leads to less temples. my policy leads to more temples. kindha aa article lo kurrolla pellillaki chaadastam tho addu padtunnadhi nee lanti puraathana vaadulu sanaathana vaadulu  your google is as good as mine | ||
| Rock Side Hero Username: Rock Post Number: 5157 Registered: 04-2012 Posted From: 209.55.81.236 Rating: N/A |
annai, employees ki society ki living standards thagag salaries vacchetatlu money sampandhinchataniki try cheyatam lo tahppu ledhu. kani labhalu vacchela business type ante correct kadhu gadha annai. | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7316 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
kattaru* India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7315 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
simple .. gudi anedi labhala kosam aithe kattu .. its not a business! India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Truelies Comedian Username: Truelies Post Number: 1658 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 74.237.6.152 Rating: N/A |
entrance fee pettandi...toll fee laga  | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7279 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
entayya kamalam nee uddesam. evaro gudi katti clean gaa maintain chesi time and effort petti oka manchi environment create chesthe nuvvu elli tingu tingu mani ganta kotti vastaava. vaalla time, effort and investment ki reward undakudadha your google is as good as mine | ||
| Tilak Side Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 7311 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 115.242.247.129 Rating: N/A |
thats the only thing i objected to .. but thats more of questioning the tradition .. bcoz .. historically, if someone builds a temple they dont expect profits out of it .. I agree .. India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 7278 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
private temples for profit temples endhuku annaavu idhi chudu http://www.eenadu.net/news/newsitem.aspx?item=panel&no=1 of course that situation is going to lead for higher salaries for priests in 10-20 years because of decrease in supply moral of story - govt control = bad news your google is as good as mine |
