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Tilak opposed the bill on the grounds that this was not an issue for the British but Hindus to decide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Consent_Act,_1891#Opposi tion
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Tilak and Azad, two great souls.

It seems that there was more democracy in the Indian Freedom Fight, than in Indian politics today.

There were differences in ideology, almost all the leaders committed mistakes. But everybody had a common goal- freedom for the country.

What is missing today is that common goal - betterment of the country. The only ideology left for the major political parties is the one that brings them into power.

Tidbits on Tilak - Though being on the extremist side, Tilak always tried to unite the moderate, and extremist sides. A black spot on him will be the opposition to the Age of Consent act (Law by the British to increase age of consent from 10 to 12, after the death of a 10yr girl bcoz of forceful sex).
Conquas(3609) about CBI arresting Jagan: TDP allegations chesindhi... vallu icchina evidence ee kadha cbi vallu teesukundhi..

What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Getafix:

great leaders - Tilak and Azad...current congress drainage politics valla - vellaki ravalsina respect raatledu.. very sad!



inkemi vastundi bhayya .. vaallu poyi kuda 100 years kavastondi .. Congress was successful in fading these heroes out of 99% of aam-aadmis .. ee thread ye nidarsanam .. db kala kalaadutunna .. thread bosipoyindi!
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great leaders - Tilak and Azad...current congress drainage politics valla - vellaki ravalsina respect raatledu.. very sad!
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Tilak:

anyways .. nee point edo cheppadaniki .. ee thread ee dorikinda bhayya?



wish chesi..rendu bharani whistles vesi..janganamana padi choclate thini..thogotam kante..ideology discuss cheyyatam better
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migatha vallantha free market capatalists anukuntunnaru..



Zulu:

mana confused rightwing sodarulu..




anyways .. nee point edo cheppadaniki .. ee thread ee dorikinda bhayya? wish chesunte bagundedi ga
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Mental_sachinodu:

i think andharam same point different spin tho matladuthunam.



anduru kaduley..
mana confused rightwing sodarulu..vonly nehru..gandhi socialists..migatha vallantha free market capatalists anukuntunnaru..kiki
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Mental_sachinodu:

almost every single leader, including the mercurial ambedkar respected the land its culture. no questions there. ekkada perriyar lanti vallu thappithe, saana rare ga unnaar.



India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda
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Why should they be mutually exclusive to start with..

aa time lo most of our leaders (irrespetive of their religious beliefs) are inspired by socialism/communism annadi naa point.




i think andharam same point different spin tho matladuthunam. they need not be exclusive, but most communist states end up moving away from religion and culture, as they see they see them as principles that hinder social equality.

someone like sri sri, a hard core communist, was an atheist at heart and he puts his reasons in beautiful poetry. aa transformation vz anukunta communists ki.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:

socialism admirer ayina kaani, it was different in the sense that they were not trying to abandon their cultural aspects for the sake of ideology.



Why should they be mutually exclusive to start with..

aa time lo most of our leaders (irrespetive of their religious beliefs) are inspired by socialism/communism annadi naa point.
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Tilak:

I will be indebted if u can prove me wrong on that context ..




tilak,
nenu nuvu thappu analedhu, almost every single leader, including the mercurial ambedkar respected the land its culture. no questions there. ekkada perriyar lanti vallu thappithe, saana rare ga unnaar. ofcourse perriyar was anti-independence guy.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:

socialism admirer ayina kaani, it was different in the sense that they were not trying to abandon their cultural aspects for the sake of ideology. i think at that point what mattered to them most is independence and not the path.



thanks bhayya .. this is exactly my point .. I have nothing more to say at this point .. intiki potunna .. velli chustha ee thread ..
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Tilak:

nuvvu nannu ignore cheyyi ee thread varaku ..



cheyyanu..nuvve cheyyi kavalantey
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Mental_sachinodu:

naa point enti ante, they drew inspiration from communist revolutions, irrespective of their individual preferences on religion and culture.



bhayya .. this I do not deny that they did get inspired with the russian revolution, of a whole nation getting into a revolution against oppressors .. kaani thats only partial truth in my view .. for example .. Tilak had great admiration for the fight of Shivaji Maharaj .. alage if I remember correctly Azad had a great respect for Maharana Pratap and his life ..

and each of them certainly did have a strong nationalistic feeling towards India and never did look down upon Indian culture, history and religion as inferior .. like how today's communists do .. I will be indebted if u can prove me wrong on that context ..

Zulu:

kiki..you are wrong.


nuvvu nannu ignore cheyyi ee thread varaku .. :-)
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2. Economic Concept :

In his presidential address at the 51st
Sessions of the Indian National Congress held at
Haripura in February 1938, Subhas Chandra
Bose spelt out his ideas about economic planning
and industrialisation of Free India, "The very first
thing which our future National Government will
have to do, would be to set up a Commission for
drawing up a comprehensive plan of
reconstruction." Bose wanted that on the advise
of the National Planning Commission, State would
adopt a comprehensive scheme for gradually
socializing our entire agricultural and industrial
system in the spheres of both production and
distribution. He also spoke about abolition of
landlordism and liquidation of agricultural
indebtedness.
Subhas Chandra Bose constituted
a Planning Committee under the Chairmanship of
Jawaharlal Nehru for rapid industrialisation of
India on modern lines in consideration of the latter's
close relationship with Mahatma Gandhi, who was
not in favour of Industrialisation Programme.
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Zulu:

Exactly!
Even Bose is a admirer of socialism..




zulai,

socialism admirer ayina kaani, it was different in the sense that they were not trying to abandon their cultural aspects for the sake of ideology. i think at that point what mattered to them most is independence and not the path.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Tilak:

I have a different opinion based on my readings and understanding ..




kiki..you are wrong.
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Tilak:

exactly .. and this ideological •••••••-isation started only in early 1940s (around Quit India movement of 1942) and it reached peaks in the 60s.




so called socialists like lallu mulayam all have this disease..eppudu pothundho
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Tilak:

Communist ideology lo .. nationalism ante enti bhayya .. koddiga explain cheyyi .. and I dont think u will object that Bhagat is a great Indian nationalist.




Definetly, i wont object. He is a nationalist, and no doubt about it. nenu ikkada cheppedhi communist ideology ni inspiration ga theesukunaaru ani, im not saying they are hard core communists, who wanted to derail existing cultural identities, like Mao did in China.

naa point enti ante, they drew inspiration from communist revolutions, irrespective of their individual preferences on religion and culture.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:

they drew inspiration from communist idelogies, which was very popular in those days.



I have a different opinion based on my readings and understanding ..
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Zulu:

Even Bose is a admirer of socialism..


Bose was a great admirer of Vivekananda .. and he was a staunch believer in Bhagavat Gita ..

Zulu:

Ikkada mana right wing sodarulu..vellandarini free market capatalists ga choope prayathanam..laughable to say the least.


lol .. free market capitalist ga evaru choopincharu? can refer to atleast 1 post on that lines .. strong nationalists ani matram own chesukunnam .. adi aithe sure ..
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anni red states lo religion ni tokkesthe mana desam lo hinduism ni tokkeyali ani decide ayyaru red sodarulu



exactly .. and this ideological -isation started only in early 1940s (around Quit India movement of 1942) and it reached peaks in the 60s.
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Mental_sachinodu:

bhagath singh - why I am an athiest ani oka article rasaadu, when he was in jail, giving his thoughts on God and Communist philosophies.

But Tilak and Azad very religious guys ani sadhiva, but they were very influenced by communist ideologies.



Exactly!
Even Bose is a admirer of socialism..

Ikkada mana right wing sodarulu..vellandarini free market capatalists ga choope prayathanam..laughable to say the least.
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Zulu:

Bhagath singh..atheist..he used to address everyone as comrade..he read lenin in prison..



Bhagat clearly said in his autobiography that he turned into a religious atheist .. and not all religious atheists can be confirmed as communists .. bcoz .. communism is a superset of "religious, cultural and national atheism" .. rest nee view and opinion ..

Mental_sachinodu:

bhagath singh - why I am an athiest ani oka article rasaadu, when he was in jail, giving his thoughts on God and Communist philosophies.


Communist ideology lo .. nationalism ante enti bhayya .. koddiga explain cheyyi .. and I dont think u will object that Bhagat is a great Indian nationalist.
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communist bhaavalu unte tappu ela avuthundhi...early 1900-1930's time lo communism was on the rise on the promise of equality , work etc etc. USSR appude modhalu ayyindhi...enno centuries kings kinda naligi;poyina farmers, workers ki oka aasha jyothi laantidi...kaani application time vacchesariki okda totaliritarian state ayithe tappa communism cheyyalemu ani sthayi ki vaccharu...USSR, cuba, North kore, china ivvani workers paradise ye kaani citizens ki hellhole laaga ayyayi
evaro oorike analedhu communism is 10% application and 90% explaination ani

anni red states lo religion ni tokkesthe mana desam lo hinduism ni tokkeyali ani decide ayyaru red sodarulu
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Tilak:

inkoncham expand cheyyi ee post ni ..




expansion emi ledhu, just siloan post esthe, septhunna, lot of leaders were attracted to communist revolutions aa time lo ani.

i have great respect to these leaders. they were steadfast and their actions have one goal, and that is self governance by indians. they drew inspiration from communist idelogies, which was very popular in those days.

bhagath singh - why I am an athiest ani oka article rasaadu, when he was in jail, giving his thoughts on God and Communist philosophies.

But Tilak and Azad very religious guys ani sadhiva, but they were very influenced by communist ideologies.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Zulu:

Bhagath singh..atheist..he used to address everyone as comrade..he read lenin in prison..




kamlesh ki telsakunda etta vuntadi....but andari raaastha veraina....chivari MAZILI ....independence...
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Guriginja(22896):jagan is chandraguptha mourya with the brain of koutilya.
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Tilak:


esesko bhayya .. Bhagat Singh ni, Bose ni, Tilak ni, Azad ni .. andarni communist batch lo esey .. sare naa ..



LOL nenu vesedendi?
Bhagath singh..atheist..he used to address everyone as comrade..he read lenin in prison..
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Zulu:

mee burjuva batchiki tilak ideology ento chepdamani..



btw .. nuvvu ichina point ki source chusava? owning up ante adi .. :-)


quote:

M.V.S. Koteswara Rao. Communist Parties and United Front - Experience in Kerala and West Bengal. Hyderabad: Prajasakti Book House, 2003. p. 82



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mee burjuva batchiki tilak ideology ento chepdamani..



esesko bhayya .. Bhagat Singh ni, Bose ni, Tilak ni, Azad ni .. andarni communist batch lo esey .. sare naa ..
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Mental_sachinodu:

saana mandhi independence movement lo milk share chesukunna vaalu had strong communist ideologies, bhagath singh, tilak, azad ...



inkoncham expand cheyyi ee post ni ..
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Tilak:


nee prayatnam enti baa? select ga aa sentence veyyadaniki reason?




mee burjuva batchiki tilak ideology ento chepdamani..
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tilakam/siloanesh,

saana mandhi independence movement lo milk share chesukunna vaalu had strong communist ideologies, bhagath singh, tilak, azad ...
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Zulu:

Tilak was impressed by the Russian Revolution, and expressed his admiration for Vladimir Lenin.[6]



nee prayatnam enti baa? select ga aa sentence veyyadaniki reason?
India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda
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Tilak:

not exactly .. Gandhi was more of a sishya to Gopal Krishna Gokhale, who had views opposite to that of Tilak on many issues.




correct....Gokhale ..my bad ...
Guriginja(22896):jagan is chandraguptha mourya with the brain of koutilya.
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Siloan:

Gandhiz guruvanta Tilak



not exactly .. Gandhi was more of a sishya to Gopal Krishna Gokhale, who had views opposite to that of Tilak on many issues. Also Tilak, was branded an extremist and expelled from Congress!
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Tilak was impressed by the Russian Revolution, and expressed his admiration for Vladimir Lenin.[6]
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mana congress govt unnantha varaku rajiv, indira padhakalu, flyovers, airports tho desam nindi pothundhi...Kayak lo airline ticket book seyyali ante kattam ayipodhi rendu moodu rajivlu, 5-6 indira airports unte...
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eppudo sinnappudu social bukku lo sadivam....isuvanti vallaki every yr govt grand ga oka function seste telusidd net pillakayal ki....



hope we have such a govt one day ..
India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda
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Gandhiz guruvanta Tilak
Guriginja(22896):jagan is chandraguptha mourya with the brain of koutilya.
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Tilak:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bal_Gangadhar_Tilak

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrasekhar_Azad

Great children of Bharat Mata ..




eppudo sinnappudu social bukku lo sadivam....isuvanti vallaki every yr govt grand ga oka function seste telusidd net pillakayal ki....

lekapoter indira,Rajiv, NTR, YSR elle maha nayakulu anukutar pillalu
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+1
Guriginja(22896):jagan is chandraguptha mourya with the brain of koutilya.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bal_Gangadhar_Tilak

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrasekhar_Azad

Great children of Bharat Mata ..
India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda
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Tributes to Bal Gangadhar Tilak, who inspired India for 'Swaraj' & to the great revolutionary Chandra Shekhar Azad on their birth anniversary.
India must conquer the World and nothing less than that is my ideal - Swami Vivekananda

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