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Indiarocks:

Nenu concepts applying enti vayya jarugutunnadi cheptunte.




i think you are mixing up this price guarantee with contract farming.. desam lo one recent trend is forward contract where buyer and seller enter into contract where in buyer will agree to pay a stated price to producer regardless of future price fluctuations in the market..

idi price guarantee kaadu - this is a hedging mechanism for producer to mitigate price risks.
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nee rendu points mallosari chaduvu.. you will see that you are contradicting yourself. One hand you talk about taking advantage of inefficiency and on the other you say - what US doing is voluntary enslavement..


which points bro. i am maintaining that chinese subsidizing a sector is a loss to chinese and US benefits from that
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nee rendu points mallosari chaduvu.. you will see that you are contradicting yourself. One hand you talk about taking advantage of inefficiency and on the other you say - what US doing is voluntary enslavement..

btw, US owes to china in the form of accounts payable.nobody would borrow money from someone and then uses it to buy goods from same person.
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asslu artham kaaledu.. inflation and taxes china lo ayithe manam nastapoyendhi..


subsidized markets are a drain on that country's economy not ours. chinese are the losers if they are subsidizing a certain sector to produce cheap products. if we are importing it, we benefit from that inefficiency. to give those subsidies they have to collect taxes from its citizens either directly or in the form of printing money like you said.

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btw, chineese yen i fixed sicne 80s.. chineese yen ni deliberate ga takkuva value chesthar to encourage exports.


i look at it as voluntary enslavement to US in order to keep its population employed. US got a sweet deal in all this. US borrows money from China, uses it to pay them for the cheap goods, pays the interest in inflated USD, and gets tangible goods in exchange, and threatens to stop buying if they ask for their money back.
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Nenu concepts applying enti vayya jarugutunnadi cheptunte.
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adi preorders, ante guarantee that they will buy so many kilos




varni nuvvu production planning concepts applyingaa farming ki? i wish farming is like assembling goods on assembly line ..bredar...what if monsoon fails and farmer cannot supply that preordered amount? super market insurance isthunda leka farmer ki prepay chesina amount thirigi theesukuntuda?
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Anukunna US, walmart anukuntu vastavani. US case different. Ikkada India lo unnantha restrictions em levu, India anta population/market ledu.

US enduku vayya, India lo SMs already farmers nundi kontunnayi gaa, daani valana nasta poina vallani choopinchu
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it is called inflation tax. kindha meeru chinese govt subsidies istundhi kaabatti manam vaalla cheap products konadam valla nasta pothaam annaaru. nashtapotundhi manam kaadhu vaallu ani cheptunna



asslu artham kaaledu.. inflation and taxes china lo ayithe manam nastapoyendhi.. btw, chineese yen i fixed sicne 80s.. chineese yen ni deliberate ga takkuva value chesthar to encourage exports.
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Wait a sec, adi preorders, ante guarantee that they will buy so many kilos. Inkoti supermarkets buy from villages. No transportation costs, or middlemen, or wastage
Conquas(3609) about CBI arresting Jagan: TDP allegations chesindhi... vallu icchina evidence ee kadha cbi vallu teesukundhi..

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Getafix:

macroeconomics thopu kaadu nen..


evaru kaadhu ikkada except may be jujung

Getafix:

chineese govt money edani nunchi testhundi ante em seppanu.. edo 5 paisal NPR/BBC knowledge.


chinese ae kaadu non oil producing countries lo ae govt ki aina major income source it is taxes. printing money is not without a consequence. it is called inflation tax. kindha meeru chinese govt subsidies istundhi kaabatti manam vaalla cheap products konadam valla nasta pothaam annaaru. nashtapotundhi manam kaadhu vaallu ani cheptunna
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Sanman:

thats a form of tax on chinese people, not someone else. except in case of USD its a tax on the world



bredar... macroeconomics thopu kaadu nen.. chineese govt money edani nunchi testhundi ante em seppanu.. edo 5 paisal NPR/BBC knowledge.
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Farmers are happier with supermarkets bcoz of price guarantees, and the quality control encourages the farmer for better practices, and is a win for the consumer also




bhoothu..super market state kaadu MSP type lo price gurantee ivataniki.. they work on profits. Evaru good rate and good quality istharo alla deggariki eltharu.. they wont guarantee anything..
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Indiarocks:

Super markwt ki ammatam valana nastapoyamu anna farmer ni choopinchu India lo.



telivi naa? India lo kakapothe Korea, US lo negative reports unte pattinchukovaa? experiment ekkada jarigindo chudu .. akkada bagane unnayi studies ..
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Its bcoz of their interests.




why do they want to educate farmers when they cannot compete with unorganized markets in fresh produce segment? alle train chesukuni alle konukuni inni kastal padekante - prethi super market oka ekaram polam koni sonthanga pandinchukuni ammukotam betteru.. inka procurement endhuku sinthakay!
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Opposite sides em reports unnayo cheppu babu. Super markwt ki ammatam valana nastapoyamu anna farmer ni choopinchu India lo.
Conquas(3609) about CBI arresting Jagan: TDP allegations chesindhi... vallu icchina evidence ee kadha cbi vallu teesukundhi..

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Enti nuvvu sabzi mandi lo konte consumerism kaada, super marjet lo konte mindless consumerism aa.. Abboo
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Getafix:

print chesukuntaru..


thats a form of tax on chinese people, not someone else. except in case of USD its a tax on the world
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Farmers are happier with supermarkets bcoz of price guarantees, and the quality control encourages the farmer for better practices, and is a win for the consumer also



ilanti reports/studies opposite side lo inka ekkuve unnayi ..

if u r problem is wastage of produce .. address that .. why do u want to encourage mindless consumerism?
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Sanman:

where does chinese govt get that money ?




print chesukuntaru..
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Supermarket quality stds kosam farmwrs tho work chestunnayi ante desa seva kosam kaadu. Its bcoz of their interests.

Maa inti pakkana super bazar lo kooralu bagaledu ani disc cheste elagayya. Supermarkets buying from farmers annadi nenu maa inti pakkana choosi cheppala, a study revealed it. Farmers are happier with supermarkets bcoz of price guarantees, and the quality control encourages the farmer for better practices, and is a win for the consumer also
Conquas(3609) about CBI arresting Jagan: TDP allegations chesindhi... vallu icchina evidence ee kadha cbi vallu teesukundhi..

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Getafix:

that loss will be offset by subsidies given by chineese govt to chineese businesses..


where does chinese govt get that money ?
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Tilak:

super market lo max ante oka 50 kgs lo nunchi select chesukuntaam ! and not everything is fresh!




last month DSNR lo reliance kellina - nallagayipoyina aratipallu.. methagayipoyina apples unnayi. basic ga artham eyyindi endante - fresh produce super markets lo evvad konadu ani..
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consumer centric economy is thrilling but we all live in such economy and we all know the side effects very well..



trillion dollar deficits and loans .. :-)
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And consumers across India will benefit. Even if we accept your complaint that China is selling them for artificially low prices and undercutting Indian businesses, what it really means is that China is selling them for a loss and our consumers are the beneficiaries




that loss will be offset by subsidies given by chineese govt to chineese businesses..consumer centric economy is thrilling but we all live in such economy and we all know the side effects very well..
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Getafix:

super markets qlty stds meet ayye produce farmers pandinchatledu



naaku telisi .. sabzee mandi lo dorike quality .. super markets lo dorakadu India lo .. Sabzee mandi lo .. u have atleast 10 vendors for each vegetable .. super market lo max ante oka 50 kgs lo nunchi select chesukuntaam ! and not everything is fresh!
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Indiarocks:

Super markets produce ammali ante farmer nundi konaka bayata nundi import chestaya? Idem logic nayana?

Ekkada super market veggies, or what ever ammina farmer nunde konali kada




khakha, nuvvu supermarkets opigga farmers ki training ichi maree allatho business chesthunai anna post ki ichina rsfonse. Super markets lo fresh produce ammudayye precentage vs sabzee mandi's lo ammudayye fresh produce ki comparision teeyyi..neeke telusthundi.. sabzee mandi/raithu bazar lo quality stds ane muchata undadu and price is consistent with quality you get.

raithu bazars ni super markets replace chesthe all good kani ala cheyatlevu - why? super markets qlty stds meet ayye produce farmers pandinchatledu - and consumer who shops at super markets for fresh produce wont pay premium for raithu bazar std produce...super markets training farmers on qlty stds anedi dream..they are private enterprises and they work on profits.. ila desa seva cheyalsina opika and pani allaki undadu.
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Jujung:

Farming is not some divine occupation that needs to be sustained forever. 50% population depending on farming is unsustainable and will eventually have to go. Protectionism in all its forms is a wastage of precious human resources.


how did you come to this decision??? what is the basis that it is valid universally? any good reason .. why 90% (or whatever %) of population should not be based on agriculture???

Sanman:

correct. but how do you balance the lower purchasing power of lower income Indians vs intl market prices of food. the free market answer to that would be there won't be lower income Indians in free market but we are there now and if by some miracle India becomes really free what do you do in the transition period ? for now we are in an eternal transition period



you have put a question in the correct perspective .. also I would like to see .. what is the exact timeperiod for this transition he is talking about ..
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Basically, anyone producing anything for a higher cost than someone else, is wasting a lot of precious resources and is inefficient by definition. Allowing a free market everywhere will kill these inefficiencies and make people find their optimum occupation - which leads to innovations, inventions and progress. Any stopgap measure of subsidies/controls will only result in substandard goods/services, thriving underground/black markets, corruption. To curtail these, you will end up spending even more resources on policing/human lives/time. An exponential growth of waste.



Do you have any idea, if your model just kills inefficiencies or kills people? when do you think people will "innovate" and come up to "progress" with some european/chinese or american farmers? what will they do mean while? almost 65-70% of 120 crores today in India depend on Agri in one way or other .. nearly 80 crore people ki ee absolute free market policy tho .. repu emi cheyyali anedi idea undadu .. and bcoz they cant compete right away .. u want them all to die?
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Well said bro
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Wiki tells me "In 2007, one third of the world's workers were employed in agriculture." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture
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"In 1870, 70-80 percent of the US population was employed in agriculture. As of 2008, approximately 2-3 percent of the population is directly employed in agriculture."


do you think $ being the biggest export of US has anything to do with it ? i am sure industrialization and green revolution had a great role to play there. what are the world numbers ? can this be true ?
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Jujung:

Farming is not some divine occupation that needs to be sustained forever. 50% population depending on farming is unsustainable and will eventually have to go. Protectionism in all its forms is a wastage of precious human resources.




Eventually, yes.

Jujung:

"In 1870, 70-80 percent of the US population was employed in agriculture. As of 2008, approximately 2-3 percent of the population is directly employed in agriculture."




I agree that 50% is unsustainable but you cannot compare India with US wrt farming.

India's tropical geographic conditions allow 2 or more crops a year almost through out the country. US on the other hand is covered under the snow 6 months a yr.
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Farming is not some divine occupation that needs to be sustained forever. 50% population depending on farming is unsustainable and will eventually have to go. Protectionism in all its forms is a wastage of precious human resources.

"In 1870, 70-80 percent of the US population was employed in agriculture. As of 2008, approximately 2-3 percent of the population is directly employed in agriculture."
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sellers formed a union and decided to sell at the same price.


that is already illegal in theory in India but of course govt is the biggest price fixer

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This will clearly fail because then companies from the country to which these people export, can come to India directly and setup their own shop and get the goods for lower prices


this will not happen because even if they setup production in India, their sales market will be wherever there are high prices in the world
i think in the scenario that i mentioned prices will rise for food but fall in other areas because there wont be any import restrictions and we have access to cheap products from rest of the world and china
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Free exports ante adi kaani pani.


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A workable compromise is to allow exports on the excess, and use that revenue in turn to improve farming infra. A ban/tax on the imports. Ee mathram cheyataniki 5yrs nundi nana patlu padalsi vastunte, you are talking abt free exports.


we are talking in theory. mana db ki power ichinaa free market raadhu. here most are educated. but kamalai tulaks ni bangladesh loki tarimi kodthaadu. OT hyd ki ntr nagar ani peru pedthaadu. jagan fans jagan ni PM chestaaru. migilina cabbage hearts tata birla ambani andarni oka apartment lo padesi vaalla assets panchi pedthaaru
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Suppose we allow complete access to cheap goods from China. China decides to dump all their stuff for cheap on India. And consumers across India will benefit. Even if we accept your complaint that China is selling them for artificially low prices and undercutting Indian businesses, what it really means is that China is selling them for a loss and our consumers are the beneficiaries. This leads to a lot of excess money in our hands which the businesses can use to find/innovate other opportunities where China cannot compete.

Now suppose we allow complete access to indian producers/businesses to export to other places. Your claim that they sell for higher prices outside instead of selling them in India will happen only when all sellers formed a union and decided to sell at the same price. This will clearly fail because then companies from the country to which these people export, can come to India directly and setup their own shop and get the goods for lower prices - eventually pushing all prices down. This is currently not happening only because of the stupid fdi controls in india.
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Within the country free market, export/import ctrl cheyyalanedi baseless argument. Within the country free market best ayinappudu, outside nunchi kooda free flow of goods/services will be the best for the same reasons.




This is not practical, given the Indian farmer.

50+ yrs nundi Indian farmer gonthu nokkesi, sarina credit facility lekunda, proper farming methods develop cheyakunda, mechanized farming develop kakunda, exports lekunda chesi, ippudu sudden gaa imports allow cheste, he cannot compete, period. We need some protection for the farmer, till Indian irrigation infra, farmers credit etc improve.
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correct. but how do you balance the lower purchasing power of lower income Indians vs intl market prices of food. the free market answer to that would be there won't be lower income Indians in free market but we are there now and if by some miracle India becomes really free what do you do in the transition period ? for now we are in an eternal transition period




Trust me, at least Indian Agri lo 100% free market raadu. Free exports ante adi kaani pani.

A workable compromise is to allow exports on the excess, and use that revenue in turn to improve farming infra. A ban/tax on the imports. Ee mathram cheyataniki 5yrs nundi nana patlu padalsi vastunte, you are talking abt free exports.
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correct. but how do you balance the lower purchasing power of lower income Indians vs intl market prices of food. the free market answer to that would be there won't be lower income Indians in free market but we are there now and if by some miracle India becomes really free what do you do in the transition period ? for now we are in an eternal transition period
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few pockets ni teesukuni cheppaku annai. on the whole chusi cheppu. idi etla undante Ravino annai septhad - NZB lo ankapur undhi model village so telengana is subhiksham ani annattu undhi.




Super markets produce ammali ante farmer nundi konaka bayata nundi import chestaya? Idem logic nayana?

Ekkada super market veggies, or what ever ammina farmer nunde konali kada.
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but from what i see that classification is not permanent. psychology was once a soft science. now it is hard science. it just means it is harder to experiment in controlled conditions. doesn't mean it stops being a science.





Earth was considered flat...but now they say it is spherical....so it is possible they might say it is cube shaped tomorrow.......so lets take it that earth is a cube for supporting my argument.....

WTF?........ok, whatever.....I cant talk on this nonsense anymore.......
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Within the country free market, export/import ctrl cheyyalanedi baseless argument. Within the country free market best ayinappudu, outside nunchi kooda free flow of goods/services will be the best for the same reasons.

Basically, anyone producing anything for a higher cost than someone else, is wasting a lot of precious resources and is inefficient by definition. Allowing a free market everywhere will kill these inefficiencies and make people find their optimum occupation - which leads to innovations, inventions and progress. Any stopgap measure of subsidies/controls will only result in substandard goods/services, thriving underground/black markets, corruption. To curtail these, you will end up spending even more resources on policing/human lives/time. An exponential growth of waste.
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US enni subsidies isthundo farmers ki telusthundi.


this is correct. and it is not optimal way to do things. we don't know if the food prices would have been lower or higher if govt did not reorganize wealth in the name of food security
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maremi parledu .. naa posts lo nenu govt ni enduku pakkaki pedutunnano nimmadi ga aalochinchu .. u may understand my view of the problem .. ! bye for now ..


ee thed lo andharu govt ni pakkaki pettaali ane cheptunnaaru. export taxes ante govt decided taxes undaali ani annadhi nuvvu okkadive. but to answer your question yes it will be much better than what you have. but it will also keep the door open for some deena bandhu to meddle more with those regulations and bring back to where we started
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NREGA side effect - daily labor wage chala perigindhi recent ga.. farmers ki idi oka burden. Govt konni schemes introduce chesindhi to encourage machinery usage in agriculture..that way farmer konchem offset chesukuntad costs ni and food prices ni kuda control cheyochu ani...
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Getafix:

free power,free water, free ferts ani schemes meeda gola chesthunnar sodarul ikkada.. you know US gives more subsidies to farmers than india? mana kada mass ga free schemes antar kaani US lo posh ga earmarks antar.. opika unte US farm bill okapaali sudandi - US enni subsidies isthundo farmers ki telusthundi.




its an interesting stage. why would any sane person be in farming anipisthadhi naaku. i mean you can talk all about demand and supply, but unless there are slaves, and people who work for meager daily wages, farming with current existing prices for output is a dead end occupation, unless there is government subsidies.

subsidies theeya vachu, but food prices will kill most people. is it a risk worth to take?
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They work with farmers to improve quality




few pockets ni teesukuni cheppaku annai. on the whole chusi cheppu. idi etla undante Ravino annai septhad - NZB lo ankapur undhi model village so telengana is subhiksham ani annattu undhi.
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free power,free water, free ferts ani schemes meeda gola chesthunnar sodarul ikkada.. you know US gives more subsidies to farmers than india? mana kada mass ga free schemes antar kaani US lo posh ga earmarks antar.. opika unte US farm bill okapaali sudandi - US enni subsidies isthundo farmers ki telusthundi.
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Indiarocks:

Free TV lu ivvakapoina, Farmer ki low interest credit, irrigation infra, subsidies on fertilizers, pesticides, and most importantly fair price - ivanni ivvali kaani export cheyaddu ante Govt money plant create cheyali. Intha kante evaru em cheppaleru.



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Farmers ammithe super markets konodda? desam lo quality standards shunyam.. nobody has idea on quality. No training and no knowledge on quality stds. Super markets price pette consumers quality espect chesthar kada?

Export market meeda discussion eeda oka fascination undhi.. export idea thirlling ye kaani our agriculture sector is ill equipped to face challenges that come with export markets.




Super Markets chala chotla farmers nundi kontunnayi. They work with farmers to improve quality. Idi nenu edo kadha cheppatla. Happened in Punjab, and even a few areas near Hyd.
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any disco on agril okate angle - govt control taggali ani..private participation increase avvali ani.. well thats great.. even govt wants increased private participation but agriculture is a field where profits are hard to come by.. india ane kaadu any desam lo anthe..private sector lo every quarter profit suyinchali leda shed ke. Private companies ki antha opika undadu.. where you sow seed and wait for years to see yield.
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Tilak:

ee situation ki .. contribute chestunna anni reasons ni list out cheyyi ..




Free TV ki vela kotlu, Raitu ki dabbulu levu.

Free TV lu ivvakapoina, Farmer ki low interest credit, irrigation infra, subsidies on fertilizers, pesticides, and most importantly fair price - ivanni ivvali kaani export cheyaddu ante Govt money plant create cheyali. Intha kante evaru em cheppaleru.
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Allow FDIs with existing restrictions so that farmers can sell directly to supermarkets.




Farmers ammithe super markets konodda? desam lo quality standards shunyam.. nobody has idea on quality. No training and no knowledge on quality stds. Super markets price pette consumers quality espect chesthar kada?

Export market meeda discussion eeda oka fascination undhi.. export idea thirlling ye kaani our agriculture sector is ill equipped to face challenges that come with export markets.
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Rice price 30Rs nundi 32Rs aithe okkadu kooda atma hatya cheskola. Kaani lakshallo farmers suicides cheskunnaru, pandinchina daniki price leka.



annai .. as it is ga .. JP cheppe speeches vinipistunnav naaku .. I dont need those :-)
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His problem is if his production cost is 1000Rs per basta, is he getting Rs1500 or not. Now he is not getting even Rs950.



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which means currently they are buying at artificially lower prices and someone has to lose. take a wild guess who is losing.



the farmer is losing bcoz .. fertilizer prices are fixed by govt .. all other input costs are decided by govt .. and then the MSP for the grain is fixed by govt .. and then there are export restrictions and even restrictions from one state to other marketing ..

nenu cheppe daanlo .. no other restrictions .. except that charge a export/import tax on agri products .. alage national market lo grain ammukodaniki govt price fix cheyyakudadu .. then fertilizers and seeds as well .. u tell me why farmer will not get a lot more than what he is getting .. why wont he see profits?

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let the govt buy at intl market prices


I dont trust the govt will help any poor person .. I am trying to reduce govt role to almost ZERO ..
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Inkedanna cheppu .. this PDS, in its current form is a bane! ekkado Guj, Chattisgarh lanti states lo tappa .. most states it is misused ..




Govt chese thappulaki farmer price pay cheyala? Wah kya logic hai..

PDS lo thappulunnaya, janalu thinnara ledaa, BPL entha mandi unnaru farmer problem kaadu. Nuvvu thintunnava leda aalochistava mundu, pakkodi gurincha?

His problem is if his production cost is 1000Rs per basta, is he getting Rs1500 or not. Now he is not getting even Rs950.

Rice price 30Rs nundi 32Rs aithe okkadu kooda atma hatya cheskola. Kaani lakshallo farmers suicides cheskunnaru, pandinchina daniki price leka.
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Tilak:

asalu y do u want govt hand in Indians being able to eat food?


assuming you want to continue the current system of govt feeding the poor, let the govt buy at intl market prices


Tilak:

trust me .. if at ur model that happens to be official .. oka 1-2 years lo hunger deaths will increase manifold ..


what is the base for that demand ? can you tell that any country where govt is not involved in food production/distribution people are dying of hunger ?


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anduke .. price restrictions teeseyyi ani cheptunna kada .. malli export chesukonivvu antaventi .. export chesukonisthe .. happy ga grain international markets ki vellipotundi .. but aa prices ni .. more than 70% Indian population afford cheyyaledu ..


which means currently they are buying at artificially lower prices and someone has to lose. take a wild guess who is losing.

Tilak:

and nuvvu aa situation lo .. govt koni PDS or some scheme lo ration cheyyalantunnav ..


ananu

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but I dont want any govt intervention in this whole process .. except for collecting taxes on export/import of agri goods ..


again you are assuming it wont have an effect on production quantity. see below post of mine
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Govt PDS scheme lo supply cheyanee.



Inkedanna cheppu .. this PDS, in its current form is a bane! ekkado Guj, Chattisgarh lanti states lo tappa .. most states it is misused ..

Indiarocks:

Asalu deeni kante most important. Market yard lo basta ki 100-200 lancham to MLA chemchas, daani paina tax. Ekkdina nuvvu product konte konnanduku sales tax kadathavu. Govt levies tax on the farmer for selling his product.


I agree .. Market yards open up chesi .. clean up cheyyadaniki .. I have no problems ..

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naa latest posts lo naa views unnayi ..
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around 50% BPL according to official estimates .. add lower middle class .. inko 20% perugutundi stat .. vaallu international prices ki grains konagalara? cheppu ..




Vallu international price ki konatam endukayya. Govt PDS scheme lo supply cheyanee. Daani paina boledu excess untundi, mundu kaneesam adanna export cheyachu kada.

Asalu deeni kante most important. Market yard lo basta ki 100-200 lancham to MLA chemchas, daani paina tax. Ekkdina nuvvu product konte konnanduku sales tax kadathavu. Govt levies tax on the farmer for selling his product.

India lo starvation, poverty ki root cause farmer annattu vaadini restrict cheste elaga? Fix the root cause.
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y? bcoz they are not able to buy grains at that price in this inflationary markets ..


kamalai inflation takes its share of blame but think of it like this. what is the reason prices go up and down for any other product ? basic economics. the only way prices will go down in anything is
1) Increase in supply
any kind of tariffs, taxes, regulations are going to cause decrease in supply resulting in increase of prices
2) Market competition
when government is the biggest buyer it kills competition by fixing prices
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Annai, ee BPL ki farmer ki link pedithe disc waste.



adigina question ki answer ivvu bro ..

around 50% BPL according to official estimates .. add lower middle class .. inko 20% perugutundi stat .. vaallu international prices ki grains konagalara? cheppu ..
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1) aa mahaa bhaagyam (bhaaram) raithu ke endhuku govt intl market prices ke konukkovachu kadha.



bhayya .. ippudu govt fix chesina prices ke kontondi .. same govt .. aina 40% of the grain never reaches any mouth .. international prices ki grain koni .. mana vallaki corruption lekunda supply chestundani expect chestunnava? asalu y do u want govt hand in Indians being able to eat food?

trust me .. if at ur model that happens to be official .. oka 1-2 years lo hunger deaths will increase manifold ..

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2) agriculture is becoming less lucrative to farmers because of price/export restrictions added to all other problems. so mallee aa internal use ki kuda sariponi stages ki velthaam. appudu export kaadhu import chesukovaali. daaniki kudaa taxes vesthaaru to save domestic farmer. appudu prices perugutai. mallee aakali chaavulu. it is a vicious circle



anduke .. price restrictions teeseyyi ani cheptunna kada .. malli export chesukonivvu antaventi .. export chesukonisthe .. happy ga grain international markets ki vellipotundi .. but aa prices ni .. more than 70% Indian population afford cheyyaledu .. and nuvvu aa situation lo .. govt koni PDS or some scheme lo ration cheyyalantunnav .. but I dont want any govt intervention in this whole process .. except for collecting taxes on export/import of agri goods ..
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restrictions ekkada swamy?

sare naa questions ki answer cheyyi .. neeku naa point ardam avutundi ..

1) India lo govt stats prakaram .. BPL entha mandi unnaru?




Annai, ee BPL ki farmer ki link pedithe disc waste.

2% extra tax tho nuvvu aakali tho maadatla. Appula paalu avvatla. Farmer meeda restriction tho autunnadu. We had 10x - 100x farmers' suicides to US deaths Iraq war, just for a comparison.

Trust me, AP ki total requirement + one year buffer ivanni kalipina we produced excess paddy. Godowns kooda khali lekunda roadla meeda padestunnaru. Ala ani free gaa panchali antavemo. That is nothing but killing the value of the product. Exports lekapothe mana agri economy will go to dogs. Look at thailand, and how its farmers are prospering.
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Tilak:

naa argument ki .. objective ee idi .. so naaku idi impediment kaadu ..


enti kamalai neeku naaku implement kaavadam endhi manam matlaadtundhi effects of regulations gurinchi not subject to individual perception

Tilak:

Internal consumption ke saripovatledu .. chaali chaalaka oka puta tinte goppa more than half population .. inka demand lekapovadam enti?


your argument fails on two levels
1) aa mahaa bhaagyam (bhaaram) raithu ke endhuku govt intl market prices ke konukkovachu kadha. desam andhariki thindi pette job emanna puchukunnaada raithu.
2) agriculture is becoming less lucrative to farmers because of price/export restrictions added to all other problems. so mallee aa internal use ki kuda sariponi stages ki velthaam. appudu export kaadhu import chesukovaali. daaniki kudaa taxes vesthaaru to save domestic farmer. appudu prices perugutai. mallee aakali chaavulu. it is a vicious circle
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Neeku kooda Govt restriction petti nelaki 10k mathrame jeetham teesko, 60% of the country ki starving ante oppukuntava?



2% extra service tax kattu bey .. memu vere vatiki allocate chestaam ante .. already paina kinda anni moosukuni kadutunna ..

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Deeniki, restrictions on farmer ki sambandham enti?


restrictions ekkada swamy?

sare naa questions ki answer cheyyi .. neeku naa point ardam avutundi ..

1) India lo govt stats prakaram .. BPL entha mandi unnaru?
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more than 60% ppl ki food andatledu .. y? bcoz they are not able to buy grains at that price in this inflationary markets .. 60% ppl ki udyogam leda India lo? lower middle class lo kuda .. food ki petti (necessity kabatti) .. savings migalaka chastunnaru .. ika poor sangati cheppakkarledu .. malli majority andaru edo oka kuli-naali chesukune vaalle .. aina they are not able to afford it .. when will u understand crux of the problem?




Deeniki, restrictions on farmer ki sambandham enti?

Neeku kooda Govt restriction petti nelaki 10k mathrame jeetham teesko, 60% of the country ki starving ante oppukuntava?
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Thamud ee argument vadalava? Janalu chaali chaalaka tintunnadi kone money leka. Money kosam udyogam leka. Food leka kaadu.



enduku vadalaali? more than 60% ppl ki food andatledu .. y? bcoz they are not able to buy grains at that price in this inflationary markets .. 60% ppl ki udyogam leda India lo? lower middle class lo kuda .. food ki petti (necessity kabatti) .. savings migalaka chastunnaru .. ika poor sangati cheppakkarledu .. malli majority andaru edo oka kuli-naali chesukune vaalle .. aina they are not able to afford it .. when will u understand crux of the problem?
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Tilak:

Internal consumption ke saripovatledu .. chaali chaalaka oka puta tinte goppa more than half population .. inka demand lekapovadam enti?




Thamud ee argument vadalava? Janalu chaali chaalaka tintunnadi kone money leka. Money kosam udyogam leka. Food leka kaadu.
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2) artificial price inside the country compared to rest of the world



naa argument ki .. objective ee idi .. so naaku idi impediment kaadu ..

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1) reduce in demand because importing is unattractive to overseas markets after taxes



Internal consumption ke saripovatledu .. chaali chaalaka oka puta tinte goppa more than half population .. inka demand lekapovadam enti?
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Tilak:

nee model enti?




Make the whole country one unit. Idi aithe ee roju 10Rs kilo, after few months 25ps kooda raaka produce ni road meeda padesi vellipoyina farmers, ilanti news choodamu. Agri prices will be stabilized.

Stop importing food items that we can produce. Or, at least tax them. Prastutam manam pandinche palmolein lantivi kooda import, with ZERO import cess. Use the tax revenue directly to give our farmer a better price. Ila cheste mana production perigi we will reach self sufficiency.

Exports meeda restrictions teeseyali. Antha prices peruguthayi ane anumanam unte, Govt ye yearly requirement, and some buffer paina produce antha export chesi aa money farmer ki use cheyali. Like having a continuous low interest credit system for the farmer.

Most important of all. Market yards meeda politicians chemcha la control teeseyali. They should be controlled by farmers themselves. Allow FDIs with existing restrictions so that farmers can sell directly to supermarkets.
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Tilak:

no .. taxes ye point lo apply chestunnam anna daanni batti production meeda influence untundi .. only export ki tax unnappudu .. within the country use kosam production penchutaru or maintain chestaru ..


em point idhi. it hurts the production based on two points
1) reduce in demand because importing is unattractive to overseas markets after taxes
2) artificial price inside the country compared to rest of the world
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taxes anedhi no consequence action laa cheptunnaavu. taxes impose chesthe next year automatic gaa production taggi potundhi



no .. taxes ye point lo apply chestunnam anna daanni batti production meeda influence untundi .. only export ki tax unnappudu .. within the country use kosam production penchutaru or maintain chestaru ..

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thinking like u ante India lo poverty ki, farmer ki link petti, farmer ni nokkeyadam.



nee model enti?
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Tilak:

nee model pettu .. farmers ki anni restrict chestunna govt model ki .. naa model ki chaala teda undi le ..




thinking like u ante India lo poverty ki, farmer ki link petti, farmer ni nokkeyadam.
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aankshalu emundi .. export ki taxes pedutunnam .. if u find a better buyer to buy ur produce after these taxes .. go ahead .. ammuko ..


taxes anedhi no consequence action laa cheptunnaavu. taxes impose chesthe next year automatic gaa production taggi potundhi
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MY POLICY REMOVE ALL RESTRICTIONS ON EXPORT by farmers interstate intra state or intercountry.free export policy pettandi then remove subsidies .


i agree. i said the same thing. so why are fertilizers produced in limited supply. they are private companies. they can assess the demand. what is the issue with subsidies ? is there shortage only shortage for subsidized fertilizers ?
also how about seeds ?
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eruvulaki govt subsidy thaggisthunte rates peruguthunnayi??

RIGHT NOW fertilizers konni import chesukuntamu konni private cpmpanies produce cehsthayi ..but both are subsidised by govt .so AMOUNT OF IMPORT AND AMOUNT OF PRODUCTION is controlled by govt .recent gaa aa subsidy thaggisthunaru so some fertilizers rate increased 500%

GOVT SUBSIDY IVVAKOODDAHU konni FERTILIZERS lo vaade mudi saruku ki INTERNATIONAL RAtES KI ALIGN CHESTHAMU FREE IMPORT AND PRODUCERS WILL DECIDE PRICE and govt wont subsidize ANTE FINE

raithu PRODUCE CHESE VATIKI KOODA RESTRICTIONS PETTODDHU WHERE TO SELL AND HOW TOS ELL ANI ??

oka vaipu aa rules petti to control prices inko vaipu subsidies ni thagginchaali ante sucides kaaka emi avuthaayi ?

MY POLICY REMOVE ALL RESTRICTIONS ON EXPORT by farmers interstate intra state or intercountry.free export policy pettandi then remove subsidies .
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adhi cheyakunda ERUVULA rates 5 times ante 500% penchi oka state nunchi inko sttae ki biyyam ammali an te savalaksha rules etti ...RAITHULA SUICIDE KI KAARANAM AVUTHUNNARU


Bharathi gaaru mana state lo ne eruvula problem untundha anni states lo undha ? endhuku eruvulaki shortage vastundhi ? production midha gani retailing midha gani emanna restrictions untaya ? private company eruvule kadha rate penchedhi evaru ? same with seeds. thelisthe cheppandi
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first farmers ki FREE POWER SUBSIDIES undakoodadhu ani vaadhinche vallaki nenu 100% support isthanu

KAANI FREE EXPORT IMPORT POLICY PETTANDI ANNI RESTRICTION ETTHEYANDI ..

level playing field antaru kadha adhi cheyandi..

adhi cheyakunda ERUVULA rates 5 times ante 500% penchi oka state nunchi inko sttae ki biyyam ammali an te savalaksha rules etti ...RAITHULA SUICIDE KI KAARANAM AVUTHUNNARU
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Unfortunately even the Govts are thinking like you, and the result is farmers' suicides in the millions.



nee model pettu .. farmers ki anni restrict chestunna govt model ki .. naa model ki chaala teda undi le ..
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Babu agriculture issues ni, poverty ni mix chesi kichidi cheyaku. Desam lo poverty elimination ki sacrificelu cheyalsina duty farmer di kaadu. Unfortunately even the Govts are thinking like you, and the result is farmers' suicides in the millions.

If this attitude continues, we will not have any farmers left in India.
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I agree that there is not enough ambition among LSPites to come into power. They are too busy working on ppl's problems with their heads down. Publicity many times takes the backseat.
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padukune mundhu posting. follow up tomorrow

1) How will farmers get a better price and see profits
by making it a business just like any other. remove all restrictions on what they can do with what they produce. the only thing govt can do is provide water and electricity. which govt annadhi debatable
2) How will the agri produce reach/help the 80 crore Indian poor out of hunger?
it is not the farmer's job. it is the society's job. again society ante enti anedhi debatable. in my view it is the nearest administrative unit
3) or should they die, bcoz they cannot afford to buy grains competitively?}
they die now. with above methods they live like they do in all developed nations
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Jujung:

stop following hindutva economics.. economics knows no national/racial/linguistic/color/cultural distinction.. please answer the following:



Fine .. asalu mee (u/sanman/IR) model enti cheppandi .. we can discus

1) How will farmers get a better price and see profits
2) How will the agri produce reach/help the 80 crore Indian poor out of hunger?
3) or should they die, bcoz they cannot afford to buy grains competitively?
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ante evaridhi ? manmohan singh dha ? sonia dha ? kikure ?



literal sense lo kaadu le swami .. i just mean .. ownership param ga kakapoyina .. ultimately lands belong to the country ani .. :D

Sanman:

that is what FCI is supposed to be doing now. nuvvu collect chesi kaapala untava fci ki ? can you imagine the amount of bureaucracy needed to do this ? and all that to restrict the farmer from becoming rich. ae migilina vaallu kattina tax money tho govt konochu gaa intl market prices ki. chachi chedi panta pandinchina vadikenaa aankshalu


aankshalu emundi .. export ki taxes pedutunnam .. if u find a better buyer to buy ur produce after these taxes .. go ahead .. ammuko ..

btw .. nenu govt ki agri produce konatam/ammatam lo role ivvaledu asalu .. I hope u get it .. so it is different from FCI/PDS ..

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3. ammevadu nashtaniki ammi, konevaadu nashtaniki koni, inka labhapadedevaru mahasayaa?


national free borders .. export/import levies on agricultural produce ante .. mana Indian agri produce ki .. within the country .. tremendous demand untundi .. alage prices will not be controlled/set by govt .. its a free market within the country .. and Indian farmer will be protected from the agri imports from other countries ..

I guess .. I am not able to communicate well enough ..

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protectionism. closing the markets to foreign investments


Nehru model lo .. protectionism kante .. controlling demand/supply/costs/consumption .. essentially economic dictatorship adi .. nenu asalu avemi advocate cheyyatledu ..
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@Sanman,
US ki independence vacchindi 1780s lo.. civil war 1860s lo 90 yrs after independence which led to deaths of several lakhs.. and the civil rights movement happened only in 1960s.. also see "Mississippi Burning" (very good) movie for a view of american small towns in the 60s - not unlike the khap panchayats in india today..


i am not saying US did not have problems. but i am not aware of a time where people settled scores among themselves using guns instead of turning to law. hate crimes, civil war etc are definitely undeniable but that cannot be compared to corruption in daily lives of Indians today because of moral degradation and apathy. both are abhorrent but the direction they went does not seem similar. every country does not need to go through a moral learning curve after independence. there are far too many examples of countries that missed that phase altogether
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@tilak,
stop following hindutva economics.. economics knows no national/racial/linguistic/color/cultural distinction.. please answer the following:
1. america vadu india vadi kante ekkuva dabbulicchi konukkuntunnadu. so exporting to america will be profitable. so export cheyyala leka india lone nashtaniki ammala?
2. china vadu india vadi kante thakkuva dabbulake india lo goods anni dump chestunnadu. appudu chinese goods konala leka local goods ee nashtaniki konala?
3. ammevadu nashtaniki ammi, konevaadu nashtaniki koni, inka labhapadedevaru mahasayaa?

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@Sanman,
US ki independence vacchindi 1780s lo.. civil war 1860s lo 90 yrs after independence which led to deaths of several lakhs.. and the civil rights movement happened only in 1960s.. also see "Mississippi Burning" (very good) movie for a view of american small towns in the 60s - not unlike the khap panchayats in india today..

@indiarocks,
i have a feeling JP or a majority of his party members do not realize the difference between social service (or policy making) and politics.. loads of earnestness will not compensate for the lack of ambition.. and please get rid of the reds.
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150 yrs ago ppl in the US took law into their hands a lot more often than today. Ika civil war nuvvu independence nundi anarchy ledu ante ichina example
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Brother, you need to get your history correct. Independence vachina 50yrs paina civil war vachi ee desam mukkalu ayye daaka vellindi, inka anarchy ledu ante em cheppali?


emayya IR em argumet idhi first US history lo oka time lo janam istam vachinattu kaalchuku chachaaru annaavu eppudu ante civil war antunnaavu inkaa nayam independence war analedhu.

Indiarocks:

Religion, family, schools etc kontha varake order ni create chestayi. But the Govt has to create a system that "nurtures" that order. Adi ledu manaku.


adhi correcte oppukunta inefficient system valla degradation untundhi but it doesnt work the other way around
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Tilak:

India's land is govt property ..


ante evaridhi ? manmohan singh dha ? sonia dha ? kikure ?

Tilak:

and belongs to the whole country (ownership param ga kaadu) .. alantappudu .. internal consumption ki first vaadi .. then export chesukondi antunna ..


that is what FCI is supposed to be doing now. nuvvu collect chesi kaapala untava fci ki ? can you imagine the amount of bureaucracy needed to do this ? and all that to restrict the farmer from becoming rich. ae migilina vaallu kattina tax money tho govt konochu gaa intl market prices ki. chachi chedi panta pandinchina vadikenaa aankshalu

Tilak:

without any govt intervention .. and no .. the govt or anybody will not tell which crop to grow ..


essentially you are doing the same by fixing the prices and restricting exports

Tilak:

Nehru model enti? national free markets for agri-products aa? interesting .. koddiga edanna link padeyyi .. naku telisinantha varaku .. adi kaadu ..


protectionism. closing the markets to foreign investments

Tilak:

agricultural products are .. essential commodities .. software/electronics are not .. basic difference!


clothes kaadha ? tooth paste nundi cycle daaka anni essential commodities ae. even for food why do you want the compassion to fall on the farmers back while everyone else is not restricted ?
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Tilak:

first system lo within country hindrances lekapothe .. govt PDS system scrap chesi dobbachu .. food will be affordable by 80% of the people normally .. and with this demand .. even the rest 20% will be able to get grains eventually .. anthe tappa .. India lo evadu ela pothe naakem ani .. export chesukunta ante ela? vache paper money ni tinaru ga people?




We have starvation in India not bcoz if exports, but bcoz the PDS is screwed up.
If we reform the PDS, we will still have an excess to export.

Tilak:

basic needs roti/kapda/makaan lekunda .. education/health ekkada nunchi vastayi .. evadiki kavali? poverty ki reason .. basics lekapovadame! later edu/health ..




You can get roti/kapda/makaan only when you work, and earn money.

To work and earn, you need education, and health, and then a job.

Idi naaku nenu edi anipiste nenu type cheyatam kaadu. What I say is backed by facts and numbers.
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If I am a lazy drunkard, my family will starve. Ippudu deeni responsibility kooda govt teeskovala? Govt should only create a system that gives opportunities to ppl to educate themselves, and feed themselves. Prathi okkadiki thindi pettali annadi boothu economics.



I have not said .. prati okkadiki tindi pettali ani .. first system lo within country hindrances lekapothe .. govt PDS system scrap chesi dobbachu .. food will be affordable by 80% of the people normally .. and with this demand .. even the rest 20% will be able to get grains eventually .. anthe tappa .. India lo evadu ela pothe naakem ani .. export chesukunta ante ela? vache paper money ni tinaru ga people?

Indiarocks:

But it is certainly one of the richest countries in the world.


with the highest amount of debt!

Indiarocks:


Inkoti India lo poverty ki top causes telusa?

Okati lack of education/skill. Chala chotla openings unna there is a lack of skilled man power even for really low level jobs. And for the same reason software companies spend billions to train fresh grads they hire.


Other cause is health. Many families go into a debt cycle and poverty bcoz of the money they spend on basic health care like pregnancy, malaria etc.



basic needs roti/kapda/makaan lekunda .. education/health ekkada nunchi vastayi .. evadiki kavali? poverty ki reason .. basics lekapovadame! later edu/health ..

anyways .. GN
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exactly as expected .. bcoz .. u think US is THE BEST SYSTEM or COUNTRY on earth! I dont need to think same about their export of food while ppl starve within. Indians should not starve, should be the motive of the country !!! Right to Food ani edo bill testondi ga Sonia led NAC .. ala name sake kakunda .. tell her that .. Right to Food ki main addanki .. Govt of India matrame ani ..




No, I did not mean that US is the best system. But it is certainly one of the richest countries in the world.

If I am a lazy drunkard, my family will starve. Ippudu deeni responsibility kooda govt teeskovala? Govt should only create a system that gives opportunities to ppl to educate themselves, and feed themselves. Prathi okkadiki thindi pettali annadi boothu economics.


Inkoti India lo poverty ki top causes telusa?

Okati lack of education/skill. Chala chotla openings unna there is a lack of skilled man power even for really low level jobs. And for the same reason software companies spend billions to train fresh grads they hire.


Other cause is health. Many families go into a debt cycle and poverty bcoz of the money they spend on basic health care like pregnancy, malaria etc.


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Annai nee economics ekkada nundi chadivavo kaani idi boothu.



nenu economics chadavaledu bro .. I only try to study different models and understand .. personal interest anthe .. academic knowledge kaadu ..
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Even the US has lakhs of ppl that starve every day.



exactly as expected .. bcoz .. u think US is THE BEST SYSTEM or COUNTRY on earth! I dont need to think same about their export of food while ppl starve within. Indians should not starve, should be the motive of the country !!! Right to Food ani edo bill testondi ga Sonia led NAC .. ala name sake kakunda .. tell her that .. Right to Food ki main addanki .. Govt of India matrame ani ..
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thats only bcoz .. consumption is artificially kept low .. more than 60% people chetullo ki sufficient food grain vellakunda choostondi govt kabatti .. to maintain a votebank .. for obvious reasons .. and if consumption is not controlled by govt .. we would need more grains than what we produce now .. and without govt intervention, within the borders .. farmers will get a great buck ..




Annai nee economics ekkada nundi chadivavo kaani idi boothu. Farmer pandinchedi manaki free gaa/low cost ki pettadaniki kaadu, to feed himself, and his family.

You can only create a system that gives a citizen an opportunity to earn, and feed himself. Aina kooda you can never eliminate starvation. Appati varaku export cheyakudadu ante artham undaa? Even the US has lakhs of ppl that starve every day.

Neeku Indian company kante foreign company lo ekkuva salary iste foregin company lo jerathavu, farmer mathram vaadu naligipoyi manaki tindi pettala?
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ok...first of all the allegations are baseless. there was not a time that i know when anarchy ruled in US after independence. secondly you are not explaining when the transformation happened and what is the role of govt in it.




Brother, you need to get your history correct. Independence vachina 50yrs paina civil war vachi ee desam mukkalu ayye daaka vellindi, inka anarchy ledu ante em cheppali?

Role of Govt ante -

India lo naaku naa morals bribe theeskovaddu ani cheppayi anukundamu. Kaani naa pakka vaadu teeskuntunnadu. Teeskunna vadiki punishment ledu, naaku honest gaa undatam valana reward ledu. And many times I have to fight with the society to be honest. Ee paristiti lo evarina why should I suffer to be honest anukuntaru. As you said the Govt is facilitating a degradation of morals.

Ade US lo? Bribe teeskunte jeevitham nasanam autundi. Ala aina okadi case choosi 10 mandi budhi techukuntaru bhayam valana or what ever.

Religion, family, schools etc kontha varake order ni create chestayi. But the Govt has to create a system that "nurtures" that order. Adi ledu manaku.

Prathi okkadu honest gaa undali ante bharateeyudu laga system ni fight cheyali ante elaga? It should be other way, dishonest gaa undali ante system ni fight chesettu undali. Aa system ni create chesedi Govt kaada?

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Dude, ppl starve not bcoz there is no food. But bcoz they cannot buy any. And they cannot buy any bcoz the Govt failed to create a system that develops their skills, and provides employment.

Farming is a business, its not charity. If ppl cannot buy food, why should only the farmer pay the price. Desam lo pedarikam undi kabatti ee month nundi nee salary cut chesta ante oppukuntava?

Moreover, we produce more than what we can consume.



thats only bcoz .. consumption is artificially kept low .. more than 60% people chetullo ki sufficient food grain vellakunda choostondi govt kabatti .. to maintain a votebank .. for obvious reasons .. and if consumption is not controlled by govt .. we would need more grains than what we produce now .. and without govt intervention, within the borders .. farmers will get a great buck ..

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Sanman:

i am also not an economist. just trying to learn something everyday. from my understanding you want free market inside the borders. which is better than what we have now. but levies on exports is both morally and economically wrong in my opinion. morally you are telling another person what he can and cannot produce or where he should sell it. economically you are forcing a profitable and efficient work force to do something else which will hinder the nation's growth. eg: if farmers in India are able to meet the international market needs and bringing in wealth, you are stopping them for the fear of rise of prices in domestic market. why are you not doing the same with clothes, electronics, software etc ? those thoughts are closer to Nehru's who i think you dislike



levies on exports .. morally wrong aa? India's land is govt property .. and belongs to the whole country (ownership param ga kaadu) .. alantappudu .. internal consumption ki first vaadi .. then export chesukondi antunna .. restriction antha scene ledu .. internal consumption boost up aithe .. national ga unde demand itself will liberate farmers .. without any govt intervention .. and no .. the govt or anybody will not tell which crop to grow ..

Nehru model enti? national free markets for agri-products aa? interesting .. koddiga edanna link padeyyi .. naku telisinantha varaku .. adi kaadu ..

agricultural products are .. essential commodities .. software/electronics are not .. basic difference!
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Tilak:

internal ga consume cheyyadanike saripovu (if the whole 120 crores start eating 3 square meals a day) .. alantappudu export cheyyadam wrong policy avutundi (even if it bring a buck more)




Dude, ppl starve not bcoz there is no food. But bcoz they cannot buy any. And they cannot buy any bcoz the Govt failed to create a system that develops their skills, and provides employment.

Farming is a business, its not charity. If ppl cannot buy food, why should only the farmer pay the price. Desam lo pedarikam undi kabatti ee month nundi nee salary cut chesta ante oppukuntava?

Moreover, we produce more than what we can consume.
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my model is .. national free markets for agriculture .. with taxes on urban sales of agrarian products .. along with huge export levies .. ! ofcourse I am no economist .. kaani the something that I read gave me such a knowledge to form this one ..


i am also not an economist. just trying to learn something everyday. from my understanding you want free market inside the borders. which is better than what we have now. but levies on exports is both morally and economically wrong in my opinion. morally you are telling another person what he can and cannot produce or where he should sell it. economically you are forcing a profitable and efficient work force to do something else which will hinder the nation's growth. eg: if farmers in India are able to meet the international market needs and bringing in wealth, you are stopping them for the fear of rise of prices in domestic market. why are you not doing the same with clothes, electronics, software etc ? those thoughts are closer to Nehru's who i think you dislike
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I did. US is the best example. 1800 lo US lo justice kosam law/Govt vaipu choose vallu thakkuva undevallu. Ppl took law into their hands. Compared to today. Appudu, ippudu guns unnayi.


ok...first of all the allegations are baseless. there was not a time that i know when anarchy ruled in US after independence. secondly you are not explaining when the transformation happened and what is the role of govt in it.

Indiarocks:

Parents kooda influence avvara system/society valana?


mostly parents teach what is right and what is wrong just like how their parents taught them. moral guidance in most cultures come from family, religion, schools etc. i dont see a role for govt to play there
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Aina export levies enduku babu, for the grains to rot in godowns?



internal ga consume cheyyadanike saripovu (if the whole 120 crores start eating 3 square meals a day) .. alantappudu export cheyyadam wrong policy avutundi (even if it bring a buck more)
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nenu kaadu anatledu .. anduke national free markets antunna! adi kuda for some 10-15 years .. till poverty alleviation is done due to this .. later we can even lift that restriction on farmers ..




Poverty alleviation ki farmers meeda restriction ki relation enti?

Aina export levies enduku babu, for the grains to rot in godowns?
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Indiarocks:

You mean import levies?



ledu .. i mean .. agricultural exports (in times of no-excess production) needs to be taxed heavily .. also import levies is a good one!
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Indiarocks:

Bank ki pay cheyalekapovadam financially irresponsible avatam valana, lekapothe vere daari lekaa?



farmers financially irresponsible ani nenu anatledu ..

in the context that a guy comes and knocks on the doors to ask from repayment of a loan .. is a big shame in India still .. daanni papam personal ga teesukuni .. financial irresponsibility ga bhavinchi .. last resort ga suicide chesukuntaru antunna ..

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Ekkuva suicides enduku jarugutayo telusa? Enni bores vesina water padakapovadam, kalti fertilizer, pesticides valana panta povadam, and the most important of all, last yr 10rs kilo undi ani vesina product ki ee yr 25ps per kilo kooda rakapovadam. Mana dikkumalina Govt pette restrictions valana.


nenu kaadu anatledu .. anduke national free markets antunna! adi kuda for some 10-15 years .. till poverty alleviation is done due to this .. later we can even lift that restriction on farmers ..
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Tilak:

being financially irresponsible is a slur on the character of the person .. even if the banker forgives the farmer .. he cannot stand the insult in front of the closely knit society .. anduke you saw some 10 lakh suicides in the past 20 years .. and it is like wise in many other sectors .. (not to club these with silly attitudes of love-suicides by teens and alike)




Bank ki pay cheyalekapovadam financially irresponsible avatam valana, lekapothe vere daari lekaa?

You mean import levies?

Ekkuva suicides enduku jarugutayo telusa? Enni bores vesina water padakapovadam, kalti fertilizer, pesticides valana panta povadam, and the most important of all, last yr 10rs kilo undi ani vesina product ki ee yr 25ps per kilo kooda rakapovadam. Mana dikkumalina Govt pette restrictions valana.

Asalu ee problems lekapothe bank ki enduku pay cheyaleru?

Tilak:

with taxes on urban sales of agrarian products .. along with huge export levies ..



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Great stuff by Gurumurthy.......way too good the way he explained the things happening in the world....

never heard of him....nice to hear some one from India with such clarity......post it here if you have more jewels from him



Gurumurthy gurinchi vinaleda? stalwart of the yester years .. from the Arun Shourie era .. associated with RSS .. heads Swadesi Jagran Manch .. desam lo chaala pedda peru unna Chartered Accountant .. along with being a good economist! youtube lo chaala videos untayi ..

anyways .. http://www.swadeshionline.in/ indulo chaala views untayi ..
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Indiarocks:

No farmers suicides are not a cultural thing.


sorry .. if you understood it as a "tradition" or any such thing .. :D

my meaning is .. rural/agrarian India lo .. being financially irresponsible is a slur on the character of the person .. even if the banker forgives the farmer .. he cannot stand the insult in front of the closely knit society .. anduke you saw some 10 lakh suicides in the past 20 years .. and it is like wise in many other sectors .. (not to club these with silly attitudes of love-suicides by teens and alike)

Sanman:

avunu brother even for that what model do you want to use ? at the end of the day farmer is a producer who needs capital and fair market price just like anyone else in the world. what we do in INdia is call him raithanna anna dhaatha but dont allow him to sell at the price that he determines. what model of economy is that ? i know you don't support the current system but what is the alternate you are proposing



my model is .. national free markets for agriculture .. with taxes on urban sales of agrarian products .. along with huge export levies .. ! ofcourse I am no economist .. kaani the something that I read gave me such a knowledge to form this one ..
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Sanman:

you haven't shown an example of a society elevating itself morally because of laws.




I did. US is the best example. 1800 lo US lo justice kosam law/Govt vaipu choose vallu thakkuva undevallu. Ppl took law into their hands. Compared to today. Appudu, ippudu guns unnayi.

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parents teach cheyadaniki govt/law teach cheyadaaniki chaala theda undhi
yesterday there was a thread in which CI shankar reddy is talking about holding counseling to parents of kids who got caught in the club raid
alaa untadhi govt moral enforcement




Parents kooda influence avvara system/society valana?

Aina parents enni yrs cheptaru mahaa aithe 18? After that, the society has more influence.

Birth certificate kavali anukondi for job or something. Vaadu adige bribe ivvanu, fight chesi enni nelalu aina aagi naa birth certificate techukunta ante OK ane parents entha mandi, job pothe poyindi, BC kosam bribe mathram ivvanu anukune vallu enthamandi. Asalu ala undali ani expect cheyadam fair aa?

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Indiarocks:

Oka example chepta-


you are talking about degradation of morals because of the system. you haven't shown an example of a society elevating itself morally because of laws. people are least moral in the most oppressive governments. people are not looking at middle east and cuba for moral guidance. how do you explain that ?
parents teach cheyadaniki govt/law teach cheyadaaniki chaala theda undhi
yesterday there was a thread in which CI shankar reddy is talking about holding counseling to parents of kids who got caught in the club raid
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Sanman:

endhi aa statement people are born without morals and govt has to instill them ani cheppinattu undhi. also US lo istam vachinattu kaalchukoni chaavala. lowest moral point of US is slavery not anarchy or guns




Puttagane morals vachestaya? First parents, and then society valana vastayi. And parents in turn are influenced by society. Oka example chepta-

US lo traffic cop pattukunte mooskuni ticket pay chestaru, next time careful gaa untunnaru. Evadina oka $50 bribe isthe evadu em peekadu anukuntunnara? The system is making it difficult to do the wrong thing, and rewarding good behavior.

Ade India lo emautundi? Ticket padindi Rs1000 chalana kattanu ante mundu constable gaade enduku saar oka 100 ivvandi vadilesta antadu. Chala sarlu nenu bribe ivvanu, chalana raayi ante constable tho fight cheyali. This is making it difficult to do the right thing.

Any normal citizen panulu manukuni correct pani cheyatanki society tho fight chestu kurchovali anukodu.
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idaa non supporters of corrupt politicians and advocates of clean politics - iche solutionu? good luck with that.. one more reason to support YSR,CBN et al..




Adenti. Ante India lo janalu puttatame corrupt gaa, irresponsible gaa pudutunnara? US lo vallu painundi digi vachara?

Politicians like YSR/CBN have built a society that rewards dishonesty, irresponsibility, and corruption. And, makes it difficult to be honest.

Ippudu corrupt avvatanni samardhistunna anakandi. Birth certificate kavali ante anni documents ichina kooda lancham istene pani autundi. Thappadu anukuni lancham ichevallu 90% untaru anukuntunna. Making it difficult to be honest ante idi.

Corruption tho collude avvataniki, paina cheppina corruption ki theda undi.
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half baked crap...Economics is a social science (soft science).......rules of hard science subjects like Math, physics doesnt apply to soft sciences


thanks for the link. until now i didnt know there is something called soft science. but from what i see that classification is not permanent. psychology was once a soft science. now it is hard science. it just means it is harder to experiment in controlled conditions. doesn't mean it stops being a science.
http://www.economist.com/node/2121822

Indiarocks:

Look enduku cheppali andi. Laksha bootulu kanipistunnayi...


endhi aa statement people are born without morals and govt has to instill them ani cheppinattu undhi. also US lo istam vachinattu kaalchukoni chaavala. lowest moral point of US is slavery not anarchy or guns
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Indiarocks:

People, in India, or the US, are not born with discipline/honesty/responsibility etc. They have to be taught, and set to order by law. We don't have that in India yet



Yup.
prathi dhaaniki...repurcussions untay gaani..manishi anay vaadu maamulugaa vinadu.
Be it Saudhi or Singapore. But we need balance, maree Taliban rules india lo pani cheyyavu...atlaa ani, western liberal rules kooda pani cheyyavu.
we need balance. India lo, emi chesinaa chelluthundhanay mindset. Jagan was an example
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ok later....just jumped in to take a peek at whatz happening around...
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Tilak,

Great stuff by Gurumurthy.......way too good the way he explained the things happening in the world....

never heard of him....nice to hear some one from India with such clarity......post it here if you have more jewels from him
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Indiarocks:

They have to be taught, and set to order by law. We don't have that in India yet.




idaa non supporters of corrupt politicians and advocates of clean politics - iche solutionu? good luck with that.. one more reason to support YSR,CBN et al..
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Look enduku cheppali andi. Laksha bootulu kanipistunnayi...
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Sanman:

brother economics is a science. andhuke daanni science antaaru. gravitational force India lo oka laaga singapore lo oka laaga undadhu kadha.





half baked crap...Economics is a social science (soft science).......rules of hard science subjects like Math, physics doesnt apply to soft sciences


http://chemistry.about.com/b/2012/02/18/difference-between-h ard-science-and-soft-science.htm
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Indiarocks:

The US came to this stage from times when people roamed around with guns, and shot others at will.




Indiarocks:

People, in India, or the US, are not born with discipline/honesty/responsibility etc. They have to be taught, and set to order by law. We don't have that in India yet.



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You see that in US. For example, in train stations you are supposed to swipe yyour ticket and go to the platform. I never see a single person jump over it. We cannot expect the same in India.




The US came to this stage from times when people roamed around with guns, and shot others at will.

People, in India, or the US, are not born with discipline/honesty/responsibility etc. They have to be taught, and set to order by law. We don't have that in India yet.
Conquas(3609) about CBI arresting Jagan: TDP allegations chesindhi... vallu icchina evidence ee kadha cbi vallu teesukundhi..

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education is a double edged thupaaki ani oorike analedhu. sathuvukunna vaadu correst seyaali ani emi ledhu. we are too egoistic you know.




Education (atleast current education) doesn't teach to be right.
All it teaches is how to be greedy, how to win with no principles and how to make money by hook or nook.
Educated people have more vocabulary to defend their stance.
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there is something kachithamga wrong hai..



wrong with that person .. idi missed indaka post lo
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we are in a democracy form of govt...nee alochanalu prajalaki nachakapothe adhi nee problem ...respect people and democracy ...




turfu mukka esinav guluji..

yea.. majority is always right.. if one thinks majority is wrong then there is something kachithamga wrong hai..
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Are you the one with ID Melrose aka Darren?





same time
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infact he would know how to do wrong the right way kikiki



yes, do the wrong thing in much smarter way :d
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sathuvukunna vaadu correst seyaali ani emi ledhu.



infact he would know how to do wrong the right way kikiki
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education is a double edged thupaaki ani oorike analedhu. sathuvukunna vaadu correst seyaali ani emi ledhu. we are too egoistic you know.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Are you the one with ID Melrose aka Darren?




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Yevariki vaaru, naaku yemundi deenilo


that is human nature. naaku yemundi anukokapothe human race ae laedhu. but the problem is we are not being thorough with it. we are not looking for the value for money we are spending. kamalai cheppinattu ticket dabbulichhe kontunnaamu. mari quality edhi ani adagatam laedhu. same with freebies. naakenti ani public aalochinchadam lo thappu laedhu. but because the tax collection and spending is centralized, they are not seeing the direction relation between freebies they get and increasing prices on everything else
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No farmers suicides are not a cultural thing.

US lo inni kaadu oka 100 farmers suicide cheskunte society motham kadiledi. Andaru kalisi, including Govt, farming community ni nilabette vallu. Lekapothe year lo 365 days sunshine undi, more than one crop pande India lo farmer suicide enti, antha kante dourbhagyam undaa?
Conquas(3609) about CBI arresting Jagan: TDP allegations chesindhi... vallu icchina evidence ee kadha cbi vallu teesukundhi..

What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Your example supports same point I am making.


Railways vaallu yenduku develop cheyyatledu ane nee point ni generalize cheste, manaki man institutions ni develop cheyyatam nilupu kovatam kante, vaatini personal benefit ki vaadukovatam alavaatu.

Same thing I am saying, that in democracy, people should contribute to maintaining and improving the institutions. Yevariki vaaru, naaku yemundi deenilo ani indifferent gaa vunte resulting goverments kooda atlaage vuntaayi.

Generalize chesi chepte, it does not mean everyone and everything is like that. Large percentage atlaa vuntundi ani anukovacchu.
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Tilak:

Indian conditions ki .. systems/models have to be village centric (ideally) .. bcoz even today .. 70% Indians live out of cities .. Indian villages/rural are agrarian societies ..


avunu brother even for that what model do you want to use ? at the end of the day farmer is a producer who needs capital and fair market price just like anyone else in the world. what we do in INdia is call him raithanna anna dhaatha but dont allow him to sell at the price that he determines. what model of economy is that ? i know you don't support the current system but what is the alternate you are proposing
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Ringo_rangaswamy:

Thousands of farmers are committing suicide in India. Imagine if that happens in US!!! Farmers and society will act so aggressively to put pressure on the government.



asalu US lo .. mental depression ki kakunda .. suicides untaya? I wonder ..

it is a cultural difference sort of thing .. splly the economic suicides!!!
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like what ? roti kapda makaan basic needs andarivi okate kadha



for sure .. akkadi varaku okate .. but even the roti/makaan thing is a bit different here .. we need to take 'family' as a unit in India .. while in the 20/21st centuries of western hemisphere .. the 'individual' is the unit ..

Indian conditions ki .. systems/models have to be village centric (ideally) .. bcoz even today .. 70% Indians live out of cities .. Indian villages/rural are agrarian societies .. while in US or Singapore it is different .. their society is a credit driven society .. Indian society is basically a self-consuming and self reliant society .. ee basic differences ni incorporate cheyyani ye economic model .. India lo succeed avvadu .. thats my view ..
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my disagreement is only with respect to your stand of "universal" economic model ..


why ? like any other science people build on top of what their predecessors built. you are not going to deny electromagnetism or natural elements because it was found by the west. why do you need a swadesi stamp for us to accept and improve it ? there are lot of Indian economists who advocate less state control over production. does that make them capitalist or crony capitalist?
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You see that in US. For example, in train stations you are supposed to swipe yyour ticket and go to the platform. I never see a single person jump over it. We cannot expect the same in India.



chaala crude ga matladaavu bro .. which is utterly false ..

neeku recent ga jarigina example istanu ..

Naaku oka roju Gudur nunchi Hyd ki ticket dorikindi .. so from Chennai to Gudur .. I had to buy a general ticket in the station .. 1810 ki train aithe nenu 1720 ki vellanu station ki .. there was a big queue (almost 100 ppl) in the Gudur counter .. naa turn vacheppatiki almost 1805 ayyindi .. I took my ticket and had to run onto the platform .. chaala mandi poor and uneducated people .. who came in at 1745 or so .. aa train miss avvakudadu ani .. lines break chesi .. counter daggara ki vacharu .. saying urgent ga vellali madam ticket ivvandi ani .. inthalo police constables vachi lathi use chesaru ..

ikkada 2 things ..

1) ticket konadaniki kuda antha prahasanama?
2) general class of travel entha daridram ga untundo telusu ga? aina sare poor people tickets konadaniki ready ga unnappudu .. railway infrastructure entha daridram ga undo chudu ..

I am pursuing this now with the Divisional manager of Southern Railway .. donno if they will change the process .. but naa point is .. I am trying to highlight that the problem is not with people mostly .. it is with the systems .. people in India are mostly honest and hardworking! there are always exceptions to this!
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Tilak:

He clearly said .. our economic model should be different from that of UK's model .. didnt he?


because you put all the west under one blanket - capitalism. in true capitalism central govt does not participate in group welfare. UK and US started moving away from capitalism in early 20th century. and their failures are attributed to capitalism today. it is unfortunate that Gandhi was not the first prime minister of India

Tilak:

Singapore lo prajalu .. India lo prajalu oke laaga bathakatledu! they have different needs in different forms ..


like what ? roti kapda makaan basic needs andarivi okate kadha
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but you dont understand what economic model i support. how can you not disagree with me without knowing what i believe ?




my disagreement is only with respect to your stand of "universal" economic model ..

quote:

Contrary to many Indian socialists and communists, Gandhi was averse to all notions of class warfare and concepts of class-based revolution, which he saw as causes of social violence and disharmony. Gandhi's concept of egalitarianism was centred on the preservation of human dignity rather than material development.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhian_economics

I dont support 100% of Gandhi's principles .. kaani paina quote is what I like and would like to see India follow ..
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Are you the one with ID Melrose aka Darren?
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Democracy is suitable for a society where people are mature and have an element of responsibility to society.

You see that in US. For example, in train stations you are supposed to swipe yyour ticket and go to the platform. I never see a single person jump over it. We cannot expect the same in India.

Thousands of farmers are committing suicide in India. Imagine if that happens in US!!! Farmers and society will act so aggressively to put pressure on the government.

While Democracy is for the people, off the people and by the people, and their decision should be respected, it also means that democracy is as good as those people. If people have very narrow and selfish interests, democracy will also be like that - narrow and selfish.
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annai. trs vallu assembly lone jp ni kottina sangathi niku gurthu undho ledho? first samaikhyandhra ani start ayithene. loksatta kuda telangana loksatta ani seperate chilchukoni vellaru.


JP ni kottindhi assembly lo TRS collections gurinchi matladinandhuku while other MLAs feverishly demanded release of OU thugs
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Sanman:

in fact Gandhi's principles are capitalistic not socialist.



I agree that Gandhi's principles were not socialist .. but they were not capitalist either .. from what I read about Gandhi ..

He clearly said .. our economic model should be different from that of UK's model .. didnt he?

Sanman:

gravitational force India lo oka laaga singapore lo oka laaga undadhu kadha.



Singapore lo prajalu .. India lo prajalu oke laaga bathakatledu! they have different needs in different forms ..
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Tilak:

u will understand what they are talking than paranoia .. if u understand the impact that economic models have on society and humans .. till then .. lets agree to disagree ..


but you dont understand what economic model i support. how can you not disagree with me without knowing what i believe ?
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Tilak:

thats the exact problem .. economic models should not be universal (atleast they should not be imposed) .. aa vishayam lo .. I support Gandhi and his thinking ..


brother economics is a science. andhuke daanni science antaaru. gravitational force India lo oka laaga singapore lo oka laaga undadhu kadha. I agree with Gandhi's thinking also. And it is not limited to India. in fact Gandhi's principles are capitalistic not socialist. He is a libertarian.
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Excellent post bhayya. Enni stars vesina takkuve




Tilak:

manaki unna picha alantidi .. we dont stand in lines to go to france or germany either .. avi failed nations kadu gaa ..


ok vacation ki veltunnaama meeru cheppina countries ki ? bigger reason could be language but those countries that you listed are not exactly prosperous are they
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Rock:

annai. trs vallu assembly lone jp ni kottina sangathi niku gurthu undho ledho? first samaikhyandhra ani start ayithene. loksatta kuda telangana loksatta ani seperate chilchukoni vellaru.

inka cheppedhemundhi akkada.




JP ni assembly lo kottindhi samaikyandhra ananduku kaadu..aaroju assembly lo edho GO meedha fight jarigi, speaker podium varaku doosukellaru TRS olu..also papers chimpi visiresaru..gola gola chesaru..

daaniki JP bayata pressmeetlo khandinchadu..akkadaunna TRS olu oogi JP ni kottaru..

also sep loksatta pettindhi kooda samaikyaandhra ananduku kaadu..loksatta edho oka stand teesukovali, ee stand teesukovatledu ani..

naa gurthunanta matuku JP T ani oka sari..samikyanadhra ani inkokasari ala annadhi ledu..he always said it doesnt matter if sepT comes or we stay united, as long as these kind of politics and governance doesnt change..

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but he also has paranoia about the west. they assume everything US does is capitalist. if US goes to war they blame capitalism. they blame capitalism for enron and housing bubble. they are not the result of capitalism but result of deviating from capitalism.



u will understand what they are talking than paranoia .. if u understand the impact that economic models have on society and humans .. till then .. lets agree to disagree ..
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Tilak:

thats the exact problem .. economic models should not be universal (atleast they should not be imposed)




Totally agree.
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Tilak:

If you have time .. please do read this ..


i watched his speech before. he raises some good points about local businesses and savings based economy. that is true capitalism. but he also has paranoia about the west. they assume everything US does is capitalist. if US goes to war they blame capitalism. they blame capitalism for enron and housing bubble. they are not the result of capitalism but result of deviating from capitalism.
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working ki different meanings unnai mee daggara. to me are they working for people ani. chinna example we are not standing in lines to go to cuba and venezuela right.



manaki unna picha alantidi .. we dont stand in lines to go to france or germany either .. avi failed nations kadu gaa ..

Sanman:

but economics is a science. it does not change from place to place. you apply the same principle in two different countries you get similar outcomes. they dont write economics books separately for each country


thats the exact problem .. economic models should not be universal (atleast they should not be imposed) .. aa vishayam lo .. I support Gandhi and his thinking ..
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no .. those rules are working in cuba, venezuela, libya (till last year) etc ..


working ki different meanings unnai mee daggara. to me are they working for people ani. chinna example we are not standing in lines to go to cuba and venezuela right.


Tilak:

political philosophies similar ani ela cheppav?


democracy. people elect the govts.


Tilak:

many nations have different ways of life .. vaallaki suit ayye daanni batti model ni design chesukovali kaani ..


may be social laws but even there some basic rights are universal. like freedom of speech. that is a different topic.
but economics is a science. it does not change from place to place. you apply the same principle in two different countries you get similar outcomes. they dont write economics books separately for each country
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true. but at least they had a global appeal at some point. and when they are proven not to work everywhere not just for one country. so the rules are still universal



no .. those rules are working in cuba, venezuela, libya (till last year) etc ..
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adhe pedda misconception anipistundhi. US and India did not start where they are now. they got there. because they adopted different economic principles even the political philosophies are similar.



Why did they not start at the same place? political philosophies similar ani ela cheppav? In my view .. US and India have different trajectories .. based on where they started and their way of lives .. there may be some similarities .. but there are lots of differences as well .. for that matter .. many nations have different ways of life .. vaallaki suit ayye daanni batti model ni design chesukovali kaani .. ekkado evadiko successful model (short term or long term also matters) undi ani copy kottadam foolishness .. if we have to follow a model .. ours (India's) should be closer to Japan than US!
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Tilak:

alage Soviet model was once acceptable across half the planet .. where is it today?


true. but at least they had a global appeal at some point. and when they are proven not to work everywhere not just for one country. so the rules are still universal


Tilak:

US ki India ki difference undi .. the way humans live and the role society plays ..


adhe pedda misconception anipistundhi. US and India did not start where they are now. they got there. because they adopted different economic principles even the political philosophies are similar.
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If you have time .. please do read this ..

http://www.rediff.com/business/slide-show/slide-show-1-inter view-exclusive-interview-of-s-gurumurthy/20120706.htm?sc_cid =twshare
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Sanman:

I see a lot of policies that are limited to local politics. why ? why are their ideas not appealing to people outside AP ? can KCR's cultural exclusivity be applied to rest of India and rest of world ? bob's two eyes or cts? aarogyasri, free electricity etc
if they are so good why dont the rest of the world adopt it ? because the rest of the world knows its stupid. they look like fools preaching the same principles outside India. but ideas have to be universal. it is the same humans and same economics in any state or country. why cant your ideas be used elsewhere ? Gandhi great ayyaadu ante because his ideas have unviersality. someone at the other end of the world gets influenced by them and starts a civil disobedience movement using non violence. and it works there too.



while I agree with u on .. KCR's regional rhetoric or YSR's Arogya Sri ..

I dont agree with you that .. "rest of the world" acceptance undali .. to get the ideas stamped as universal .. also I differ with you that .. all ideas/models work everywhere .. humans ainanta matrana .. andaram okela bathakatledu .. US ki India ki difference undi .. the way humans live and the role society plays .. same differences India ki China ki unnayi .. China ki Pakistan ki unnayi .. so one "universal" model/idea conceptually tappu .. in my view ..

ekkadi daaka no enduku .. "universal acceptance" unna idea okappudu - globalisation .. now slowly its fading .. west lo nunche there are voices emerging against it .. look at Germany and France .. they are talking about moving away from Anglo-Saxon capitalist model ..

alage Soviet model was once acceptable across half the planet .. where is it today?
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Tilak:

care to explain .. how u arrived at this ..


I see a lot of policies that are limited to local politics. why ? why are their ideas not appealing to people outside AP ? can KCR's cultural exclusivity be applied to rest of India and rest of world ? bob's two eyes or cts? aarogyasri, free electricity etc
if they are so good why dont the rest of the world adopt it ? because the rest of the world knows its stupid. they look like fools preaching the same principles outside India. but ideas have to be universal. it is the same humans and same economics in any state or country. why cant your ideas be used elsewhere ? Gandhi great ayyaadu ante because his ideas have unviersality. someone at the other end of the world gets influenced by them and starts a civil disobedience movement using non violence. and it works there too.
for some reason our leaders appeal stops at the state borders. most of them dont even have an idea or message to spread outside our borders. make me CM is the biggest message they have. and they are the ones that are most popular. and they have fans and supporters who are educated. who live in developed countries and see that those leaders and policies would be a joke elsewhere. yet they want our people to vote for them
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we are in a democracy form of govt...nee alochanalu prajalaki nachakapothe adhi nee problem ...respect people and democracy ...




yes .. need of the hour ... ilanti thought process ee dangerous for people like mulayam, mayawati and jagan
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nda lonundi vaccchi nitish kumar chesthunnadu ante nitishkumar ki modi ki padatam ledhu thanu bayataki velali ani chusthunandu.



this is correct .. JDU is trying to make good friends with UPA/non-NDA ..
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Telangana ki ok ante flipflop aa? Samaikyandhra correct anna video ivvu



annai. trs vallu assembly lone jp ni kottina sangathi niku gurthu undho ledho? first samaikhyandhra ani start ayithene. loksatta kuda telangana loksatta ani seperate chilchukoni vellaru.

inka cheppedhemundhi akkada.

vadevado chesadu ani iyana cheyyyalsina avsaram emundhi. nda lonundi vaccchi nitish kumar chesthunnadu ante nitishkumar ki modi ki padatam ledhu thanu bayataki velali ani chusthunandu. chesthunnadu. jp kemi avasaram . jp cheppocchuga. kalam garu poti cheyandi ani leka anna hazare cheyandi ani ledhu. pranabh mukharji ki support . malli manmohan singh ki support. ayina nuvvu em support ledhu antavu em cheppamantavu mammalni
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1) whose ideas have universality



care to explain .. how u arrived at this ..
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NDA partner aina JDU kooda pranab ki support andi aithe UPA ni support chesinatta. Aina poye daaka jeevitham motham oka family ki oodigam chesi malli sollu cheptaru ippudu.
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Telangana ki ok ante flipflop aa? Samaikyandhra correct anna video ivvu
Conquas(3609) about CBI arresting Jagan: TDP allegations chesindhi... vallu icchina evidence ee kadha cbi vallu teesukundhi..

What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Sri_anji:

correst ee but point enti ante...success aina kooda sonia mam ni licking like his father is bad ya....he shouldn't join UPA at any cost....Red ga unna lanti raktham pette fans tala ekkada pettukuntaru....





this is democracy annai. we have to choose somebody. i am sure he likes to support nda . if he support nda he wont win even one mp seat like chiranjeevi. if he wants to win he has no choice but to support secular government.

evaranna 3rd front ki chance unte he definitely will support them. like pawar, mulayam etc. if there is only upa and nda what elese he can do?
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Rock:

success ayyadu kabatti ippudu dhairyam antunnaru.




correst ee but point enti ante...success aina kooda sonia mam ni licking like his father is bad ya....he shouldn't join UPA at any cost....Red ga unna lanti raktham pette fans tala ekkada pettukuntaru....
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KaiserDB lo Jfans appudu corruption jaragaledhu ani chepledhu...yes he did...but entha anedhi...theliyadhu..letz CBI decide...}

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Sri_anji:

ante oka stand ledu antav ....chass prathi congress vedava inthe....sonia sonia....okkadiki kooda dhairyam ledu





samaikyandhra ani cheppi kuda thattukoni nilabade satta undali. aa satta lenappudu chepthe stupidity antaru . satta unnappudu chepthe dhairyam antaru.

same thing like going out of party and form his own party success avvakapothe stupidity anevallu success ayyadu kabatti ippudu dhairyam antunnaru.
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Rock:

samaikyandhra. but they wont say it. they will say if center gives it we wont object ani chepthadu




ante oka stand ledu antav ....chass prathi congress vedava inthe....sonia sonia....okkadiki kooda dhairyam ledu
Just4fun,Rajareddy appatlone BIG FARMER. vandala acres farming lands undevi.
KaiserDB lo Jfans appudu corruption jaragaledhu ani chepledhu...yes he did...but entha anedhi...theliyadhu..letz CBI decide...}

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Sri_anji:

Mana party stand enti telangana meeda?





samaikyandhra. but they wont say it. they will say if center gives it we wont object ani chepthadu
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg__VuDmtjg

there you go.samaikyandra ne correct anna video vethakamnte cheppu vethiki pedatha.

presidential elections lo there aint no better candidate than pranab mukharjee anandu. manmohansingh ni poguduthadu. what else u need?
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Rock:

its person centric at the moment. he has flip flopped on telangana, he supports corruptive govt in center. he preach to everybody to vote and he didnt in assembly. and have allegations of caste driven politics.




Sodhi aapehe.

Flipflopped on Telangana naa. Prove chestava?

Supports govt at the center aa, ante UPA ki support chestamu ani cheppada Jagan laga?

Manaki anataniki point em dorakadu.
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Rock:

he has flip flopped on telangana




Mana party stand enti telangana meeda?
Just4fun,Rajareddy appatlone BIG FARMER. vandala acres farming lands undevi.
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Sanman:

what information do i have that you don't ? are you seriously going to vote for who i tell you to vote or you just looking to give an excuse not to ? personally i would vote for a party
1) whose ideas have universality
2) will not polarize people based on caste religion region
3) did not participate in corruption before or after elections
4) principle centric instead of person centric





with the information i have all three parties relevant in the state right now indulge in polarizing people based on caste religion and region

all participate in corruption

all person centric ntr, cbn ysr jagan gandhi fmaily



bjp, trs, same way. cpi , cpm i dont prefer them i dont liek lot of their ideology.

ika migilinadhi loksatta . its person centric at the moment. he has flip flopped on telangana, he supports corruptive govt in center. he preach to everybody to vote and he didnt in assembly. and have allegations of caste driven politics. so he showed every sign that any political party shows . ofcourse minimal rate. but still its there. and on the top of that party is kinda irrelavant to people.

so basically i dont have a choice but to choose one we have.
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Sanman:

4) principle centric instead of person centric




Yes our principle is RAJANNA RAJYAM...kikiki

Principle is FREE FREE FREE
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3) did not participate in corruption before or after elections




jagan said ...he will be very strict against corruption and he support anna hazare

He hasn't participated in any corruption before and after....and he is the Business man of the years 2003,04,05,06,07,08 and 09

I support Jagan....do you?
Just4fun,Rajareddy appatlone BIG FARMER. vandala acres farming lands undevi.
KaiserDB lo Jfans appudu corruption jaragaledhu ani chepledhu...yes he did...but entha anedhi...theliyadhu..letz CBI decide...}

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Rock:

then tell me who to vote.


what information do i have that you don't ? are you seriously going to vote for who i tell you to vote or you just looking to give an excuse not to ? personally i would vote for a party
1) whose ideas have universality
2) will not polarize people based on caste religion region
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Whyme:

Praja Shanti party.. KAPAL raacks





my 4000 post dedicated to kapaul i guess lol
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Sanman:

i dont have to support anybody. once you throw your support behind someone that becomes your identity. after that point you are defending that identity more than that person. support ideas. not people. that is the whole point of political parties.




OK. So you are saying we should support Political parties instead of Political leaders.

Now. Enlighten us which political party do you need right now for our state. Tell me which political party has right ideas for most burning issue of our state: Telangana issue.. Agriculture. Shortage of Water and Power. Industrial Growth.
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Rock:

who to vote?




Praja Shanti party.. KAPAL raacks
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Sanman:

where did i say that ?





then tell me who to vote. i said who to support. i mean who to vote. andhukani i thought adhe angle lo answer chesthunnavu anukonna.

ok . who to vote. we dont vote jagan, cbn or congress who to vote?
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Rock:

so basically u saying dont vote.


where did i say that ?
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i dont have to support anybody. once you throw your support behind someone that becomes your identity. after that point you are defending that identity more than that person. support ideas. not people. that is the whole point of political parties.




so basically u saying dont vote. if all the educated dont vote. which 65% litrecy in ap 75% in india. how the govt forms who will rule? what supposed to be done
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nee alochanalu prajalaki nachakapothe adhi nee problem ...respect people and democracy ...




Guluji, Dogs think people are dogs too. Its not the people's fault, but the dogs fault. Same applies here. The fact is some dogs as seen by dogs are actually not dogs. Same way some people see other people as gods, but they are actually dogs.

Applies to every corrupt politician we have.
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Rock:

ok annai. cheppu ni vision ento cheppu. education tho nuvvu kanugonna parishkaram emito cheppu. lets see if we can do something about it




Jake_ryan:

Sare.. let me know whom you support.


i dont have to support anybody. once you throw your support behind someone that becomes your identity. after that point you are defending that identity more than that person. support ideas. not people. that is the whole point of political parties.
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Sachaav poo....andarikee tupakulu kaavali...Inka kaasko
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ok annai. cheppu ni vision ento cheppu. education tho nuvvu kanugonna parishkaram emito cheppu. lets see if we can do something about it
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If you really respect democracy,why don't you support JP instead of Criminal/dacoit Jagan ? Is it just because he belongs to your caste and you can benefit from his corrupt deeds?
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we are in a democracy form of govt...nee alochanalu prajalaki nachakapothe adhi nee problem ...respect people and democracy ...


it is a always a fight between right and wrong. temporary gaa fame vachina vaadu thopu kaadhu. rants of sycophants balupu kaadhu. vaapu. history will judge them correctly. oka time lo sanjay gandhi gaadu ucha posthe bhaggumani mandindhi. pranab mukherjee lanti vaalle vaadiki chamchaa lu. vaadiki unna mandhi bhajana gaallu bathiki unnappudu bhagat singh ki leru. kaani charitra evadiki em place ivvaalo adhe istundhi
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Sanman:




Sare.. let me know whom you support.
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Sanman:

or jagan. or CBN. I have a problem with educated people that support them. chaduvu viluvalu nerpaka pothe aa chaduvukunnodiki niraksharasyudiki theda ledhu. just gathering information is not education. if the purpose of your education was to get you a job there is no difference between you and a fake certificate guy. education has to show you the difference between right and wrong. give you the ability to see the whole picture. understand who loses if someone gets rich through politics. even if you are not able to see it you don't do much harm. but the bigger harm is done when you display your ignorance in the name of abhimaanam. 10 other less educated people get influenced by you. kids think it is ok to admire a corrupt person. that integrity is relative, not absolute. you are spreading the message that corruption is ok. nepotism. using of public office for personal ambitions. religion. caste. favoritism. groupism. breaking and bending of laws. you are putting an approval stamp on all these and wearing that on your head. in a modern society you will be laughed at and ridiculed. but in a country like India you are taken seriously. because people respect education. and you do more harm than all the forces that destroyed India from outside for a 1000 years. that is why i have a problem with you





ok tell me annai, who should we support.
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we are in a democracy form of govt...nee alochanalu prajalaki nachakapothe adhi nee problem ...respect people and democracy ...

who cares you?? whether u have problem with cbn ysr or jagan...

Rajanna Amar Hai.
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or jagan. or CBN. I have a problem with educated people that support them. chaduvu viluvalu nerpaka pothe aa chaduvukunnodiki niraksharasyudiki theda ledhu. just gathering information is not education. if the purpose of your education was to get you a job there is no difference between you and a fake certificate guy. education has to show you the difference between right and wrong. give you the ability to see the whole picture. understand who loses if someone gets rich through politics. even if you are not able to see it you don't do much harm. but the bigger harm is done when you display your ignorance in the name of abhimaanam. 10 other less educated people get influenced by you. kids think it is ok to admire a corrupt person. that integrity is relative, not absolute. you are spreading the message that corruption is ok. nepotism. using of public office for personal ambitions. religion. caste. favoritism. groupism. breaking and bending of laws. you are putting an approval stamp on all these and wearing that on your head. in a modern society you will be laughed at and ridiculed. but in a country like India you are taken seriously. because people respect education. and you do more harm than all the forces that destroyed India from outside for a 1000 years. that is why i have a problem with you
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