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Bushu
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The_dude:

This nation is born on the principles of freedom and god [remember one nation under god] and morals. Constitution was written keeping all these in mind. If the basic structure of daily life is based on the god, why kill human life. When you say 20weeks, have you seen 10weeks old fetus? How is the fetus which is 10weeks old is any different from 20week old? anedi naa kochhenu.




the word 'God' does not appear in the US constitution. do you support death sentence?
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The_dude:

Look at the documentary OR see the pictures/videos of a fetus that is 8weeks old and then we will discuss. There is no point in discussing based on theories. Look at the fetus and tell me its not human enough to kill.


nobody will advocate killing a fetus no matter how old it is. the issue is does the mother get to choose or does the society gets to choose to make the painful decision of terminating a pregnancy.
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Sanman/IPC:


Look at the documentary OR see the pictures/videos of a fetus that is 8weeks old and then we will discuss. There is no point in discussing based on theories. Look at the fetus and tell me its not human enough to kill.
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Methati_idly:

anti-abortion candidates ni nanga nilchobetti adagali ee kochens


Oka methhati idly palle chutney lo nanchukuni, side ki gangaalam lo sambar ni jurruthaa aalochiste ilaanti thots ae ostaai. As a father, I think a dad has every right as mother to decide on child's fate.
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OT:

Health Issues : : Valid reason

Unwanted/unexpected preg due to failed contraceptives : ??

Religious reasons : NOT a good reason for pro/anti abortion




ee okasariki OT , naa opinions kalisaay
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Sanman:

to support your anger you have to answer the question how is killing a baby 10 minutes before birth different from killing it 10 minutes after


there's no name or an ssn for the baby :D anyways maree 10 mins mundante murder ye avuddi....chese time ki cheyyali

plus it is totally upto the woman bearing the child..manam disco cheyatam kuda waste
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Mental_sachinodu:

if someone is weak


Weak in the sense??
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Sanman:

constitutions of free countries provide the right to life.



dont get me worng, i fully understand the concept. but why protect an innocent? if someone is weak, its arlight to get eliminated ane concept gurinchi talking.
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Mental_sachinodu:

asal sampadam anedhi endhuku thappo naak ardham kaadhu. freedom kavali antaar, manishi natural tendencies lo okati siraak dhobbi nappudu eseyyatam, why stop it.. i question


itlanti questions raakundaane constitutions of free countries provide the right to life. which means you are born with it and other people cannot take it away from you.
i am sure there are countries in the world where you are free to exercise your will that interferes with an innocent person's natural state of being
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asal sampadam anedhi endhuku thappo naak ardham kaadhu. freedom kavali antaar, manishi natural tendencies lo okati siraak dhobbi nappudu eseyyatam, why stop it.. i question
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Methati_idly:


maree antha reaction avasaram ledhemo. it is a genuine concern and human society hasnt evolved to a point where the life of a chicken or an ant is treated the same way as human
to support your anger you have to answer the question how is killing a baby 10 minutes before birth different from killing it 10 minutes after
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WTF - I hate this topic for two reasons:

1) Who the F is anybody, including the husband, to say if a woman wants to bear a child or no? Telugu sametha cheppalante "Guddu pette kodiki telusu G noppi" ani..the decision should be left with the woman bearing the child and the woman alone..

2) Day in/day out billions of animals ni worldwide champutune unnam - including other mammals like whales, elephants, tigers, cattle, poultry n what not..thokkalodi human abortion daggaraki oste gurtochinda "life viluva"? emi, vere animals ki life leda? if anything eco system ki oka average human valla BOKKA thappa enti ledu..ade animals ni odilte mother nature ni atleast d'bettav

M lo disco...anti-abortion candidates ni nanga nilchobetti adagali ee kochens
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The_dude:

What is so private about killing a human life?


that is where the whole debate is.
first you have to define the rights of a fetus and then you can talk about protecting them
at what month should the rights begin.
what are the consequences of a govt ban ? will it lead to increased deaths of pregnant women trying to end their pregnancy in unsafe ways etc
also the bigger question is should morality drive the laws or should the laws drive morality
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Sanman:

for others ante what to do with their personal lives ani.


What is so private about killing a human life?
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The_dude:

Stealing is good for the stealer. Do we have any right to say not to the stealer?


for others ante what to do with their personal lives ani. konni ardham chesukovali
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The_dude:

When you say 20weeks, have you seen 10weeks old fetus? How is the fetus which is 10weeks old is any different from 20week old? anedi naa kochhenu.




i think this has been based on medical advice. The development of certain organs and formation of body structure has been used as a criteria to set a limit at what stage abortion should be stopped. if the age of the fetus is between 12-20 weeks doctors go for a second opinion. The question is why do people wait for so long to get an abortion. There are a lot of pills that you can take immediately after sex if you suspect that you might get pregnant.

The_dude:

This nation is born on the principles of freedom and god [remember one nation under god] and morals. Constitution was written keeping all these in mind.




This nation also had slaves who were not considered people or women who were not considered to be equal to men. So lets not get carried away by the US constitution. They had set certain rules which they thought were valid for that period.
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Ipc302:

their argument is that it is god's will. Yeah these religious nut cases


The argument is not complete - This nation is born on the principles of freedom and god [remember one nation under god] and morals. Constitution was written keeping all these in mind. If the basic structure of daily life is based on the god, why kill human life. When you say 20weeks, have you seen 10weeks old fetus? How is the fetus which is 10weeks old is any different from 20week old? anedi naa kochhenu.
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worrest case enti ante they are trying to ban over the counter pills and contraceptives which women take to prevent unwanted pregnancies...monna rush limbaugh gaadu contraceptives ni mandatory healthcare lo include cheyyamani adigi nanduke aa pilla ni ammana booths dobbadu
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Jaankayalu_chips:

fetus ki full rights ante mari
pregnant ayite mari tax benefits istara govt?



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Jaankayalu_chips:

pregnant ayite mari tax benefits istara govt?




miscarriage ayithe murder kinda jail lo edthara?
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Health Issues : : Valid reason

Unwanted/unexpected preg due to failed contraceptives : ??

Religious reasons : NOT a good reason for pro/anti abortion

Inkem parameters untaayi ?

gender telusukoni manaki kavalsindhi kakapote abortion jeyyadam : elaagu 100% condemn jestaaru
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Most states in US are making it harder to get abortions by drafting laws. These states are especially in the south where they have become rabidly anti-abortion. They have even drafted laws to state that life begins at conception or banning abortion even in case of incest/rape. their argument is that it is god's will. Yeah these religious nut cases have steered the discussion out of civilised society I think there is a consensus on when a fetus can be considered a life. Aborting before 20 weeks of the fetus age to which many abortions are performed. Late term pregnancies are the most difficult to abort and there are few doctors who do those controversial procedures. These procedures are not performed by many doctors.
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fetus ki full rights ante mari
pregnant ayite mari tax benefits istara govt?
kangaaru padakandi....chart lo chusaanu
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26th week lopu ayite ikkada legal.. aa tarvata infant ki same rights as you..covered..


india lo kooda same anukonta.. but andariki total ga illegal anukontar
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Jackson:

abortion



100% legal

India lone legal
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Jackson:


Its perfectly legal may be not in some states like nebraska??
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There is no right answer, like you said, it is a case by case situation.
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Sanman:

nobody can decide what is right for others


Stealing is good for the stealer. Do we have any right to say not to the stealer?
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Onlytruth:

entadhi ?




abortion
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Jackson:

US lo illegal anukunta


entadhi ?
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nobody can decide what is right for others but more consideration has to be given to the living fetus. all of us can never come to an agreement when the fetus should start having rights but i think we all can agree the inhumanity of the procedure.
the conservatives do a disservice by bringing in religion and stopping the discussion altogether.
whenever there is a debate about choice they start saying stuff like the morning after pills should be banned making it ridiculous
instead they should focus on making the procedure less painful to the fetus (and the mother)
also i don't think many people who support abortion do not know how it is done
we havent come far from medieval ages in that operation
detection of pregnancy at earlier stages can lead to termination of life before the fetus can feel pain
still pretty brutal but it would be better than what is being done now
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Spy_india:




US lo illegal anukunta
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netflix lo unnadaa ?

ikkada legal /illegal ??

pvt hospitals unnaay vitiki .. insurance cover kaadu anukuntaa
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There is this documentary called 'Lake of Fire' which everyone must watch, esp if you are 'pro choice'. I was dead against anti-abortionists but enduko ee doc choosina taruvaata my stance became soft. When they showed how fetus looks at about 10weeks, felt a chill in the spine.

Noam Chomsky appears here and there and gives a story about pope and a couple. A couple goes to church and complain to pope on each other and pope decides to hear each other story. After hearing to husbad, pope says - yes, you are right. Then he listens to wife. After hearing to her he says - yes, you are right. Watching all this his disciples question pope on how come both are right. Atleast one must be right and other must be wrong. Then pope says - yes, you are right.

In case of abortion issue, he feels every one is right. Every abortion is case by case. The documentary shows how anti-abortionists killed doctors who perform abortions etc. Meer koodaa soodandi. But dont get swayed by anti-abortionists murders and etc. Yes, what and how they argue is wrong in many ways but they do have a point. Human fetus is alive with tiny head and limbs. Sucking it out is murder, no matter what.
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