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Cocanada
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Post Number: 37442 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 98.17.73.199
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 09:31 pm: |
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Tilak:jaankayalani chips seskuntava?
Venky cinema lo weak aa nuvvu? dorabadda jaankayalu, bangaladumpa chips teleedaa neeku? |
   
Chitti_v2
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Post Number: 4585 Registered: 01-2011 Posted From: 160.83.73.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 03:31 pm: |
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thed motham soodaled....vasi unkal pirst idi seppu....on the usage of the term 'hidutva'.........if you see mosht of ingliss lang media in india, it seems there is a negative connotation........what are your thougts on it? mee center right kurrol eti anukuntunnaar deeni gurinchi? |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 803 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 101.63.155.51
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 03:15 pm: |
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Jaankayalu_chips:i think the only way we can convince is let lower classes (people who feel exluded) to lead the party
ikkada kerala ollu .. aratikaya ni kobbari nune lo veyinchi chips chesukuntaru .. ala .. nuvvu .. jaankayalani chips seskuntava? lower classes aa castes aa .. clarity led .. |
   
Jaankayalu_chips
Junior Artist Username: Jaankayalu_chips
Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 168.244.164.254
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 11:59 am: |
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i think the only way we can convince is let lower classes (people who feel exluded) to lead the party |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 801 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 11:52 am: |
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Vjavasi: "What the author has written is absolutely true. But it is most unlikely that this timid and selfish community will ever stand up for its own rights in their one and only homeland. Else, how could a wretched Christian woman from Italy become the de facto ruler of this ancient homeland of the Hindus? "
In UP-MUSLIM M.L.A.- in1993-27. in1996-38. in2002-45. in2007-55 aur ab, 2012 me 68-Kya hoga 2050me? Sara pakistan? Jago Hindu! |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 795 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 10:38 am: |
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Rajusk:nenu chadivanu...andulo konni items currently irrelevant..in the sense the world has moved on...from some of those..but the underlying theme is still valid
ela irrelevant ayyayi bro? would be interesting to know .. meeru free unnappudu list cheyyandi aa items .. we can discuss .. going home now .. will reply tomorrow .. |
   
Rajusk
Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 19486 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 10:36 am: |
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Tilak:avunu bro .. mimmalni kadu adi uddesinchindi !
nenu chadivanu...andulo konni items currently irrelevant..in the sense the world has moved on...from some of those..but the underlying theme is still valid |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 794 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 10:34 am: |
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Rajusk:nuvvu ninna ichina link aa ?
avunu bro .. mimmalni kadu adi uddesinchindi ! Vjavasi: "What the author has written is absolutely true. But it is most unlikely that this timid and selfish community will ever stand up for its own rights in their one and only homeland. Else, how could a wretched Christian woman from Italy become the de facto ruler of this ancient homeland of the Hindus? "
yup .. but hope the author is proven wrong .. |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 9179 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 10:30 am: |
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Tilak:as usual .. disappointed by the response to the thread .. okkaru kuda .. clash of civilizations chadivanattu leru .. no body cares .. i guess ..
comment from the artilce posted "What the author has written is absolutely true. But it is most unlikely that this timid and selfish community will ever stand up for its own rights in their one and only homeland. Else, how could a wretched Christian woman from Italy become the de facto ruler of this ancient homeland of the Hindus? " |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 19485 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 10:30 am: |
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Tilak:clash of civilizations chadivanattu leru .
nuvvu ninna ichina link aa ? |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 793 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 10:26 am: |
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Rajusk:
as usual .. disappointed by the response to the thread .. okkaru kuda .. clash of civilizations chadivanattu leru .. no body cares .. i guess .. |
   
Jackjill
Side Hero Username: Jackjill
Post Number: 6937 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 8.20.184.6
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 10:07 am: |
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Tilak:jokes apart, do u really feel .. the role of Musunuri Nayaks has been glorified beyond reality?
naaki telvad, edho comedy ki annan nannu oggey, nenu jump  |
   
Rajusk
Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 19484 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 09:33 am: |
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Tilak:An article very very relevant to this thread .. just in time!
Jai Dalith Panther..Jai Kanchi Ilaih...kiki |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 792 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 09:23 am: |
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http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=22 31 An article very very relevant to this thread .. just in time! |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 750 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 12:42 am: |
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Jackjill:
jokes apart, do u really feel .. the role of Musunuri Nayaks has been glorified beyond reality? |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 749 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - 12:41 am: |
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Telugu_times: Historically, hindus are poor learners from history.
not really baba .. till 1940s .. Hindu society nunchi manchi leaders vacharu who learned lessons from history and suggested changes to the way of life .. who could influence all stratas of society ... be it Shivaji Maharaj, Krishna Devaraya, Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo, Rama Krishna Paramahamsa, Swami Dayananda Saraswati, in a way Gandhi .. aa taravata kuda chala mandi vacharu .. notable people/saints .. kaani we are still waiting for somebody from that above league in this generation/age .. who can change the way Hindu society thinks .. who leave a footprint that will have a lasting impact for decades to come (btw .. Hindu society does not necessarily exclude Indian born Muslims and Christians natives)  |
   
Masala_dosa
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Post Number: 44 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 77.42.244.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 05:37 pm: |
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hindus ki ii midhya prapamcham to em intrestes levu  |
   
Rajusk
Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 19454 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 05:30 pm: |
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Telugu_times:Historically, hindus are poor learners from history. Hindus can not see big picture, entha sepu baavi lo kappala laaga, village lo dalits ni harass cheyyadam or groups form ayipoyi okadini okadu kindhaki laagadam (happening from Pruthviraj Chauhan days) or tamil vs karnataka or A vs T or whatever.... Manaki temporary gaa use anukuntay...edhainaa chesthaam, without thinking for long term.
Baba goru, Ade nenu seppindi kooda...at the same time..we have very commonalities to assimilate under one umbrella.. even Gods and Babas are so many..that we don;t follow one at the same time... anduke mana unity always diluted...compared to other religions.. |
   
Telugu_times
Moderator Username: Telugu_times
Post Number: 27149 Registered: 02-2008
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 05:28 pm: |
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my personal peelings Historically, hindus are poor learners from history. Hindus can not see big picture, entha sepu baavi lo kappala laaga, village lo dalits ni harass cheyyadam or groups form ayipoyi okadini okadu kindhaki laagadam (happening from Pruthviraj Chauhan days) or tamil vs karnataka or A vs T or whatever.... Manaki temporary gaa use anukuntay...edhainaa chesthaam, without thinking for long term. |
   
Nippu
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Post Number: 4500 Registered: 12-2008 Posted From: 69.116.82.194
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 01:04 pm: |
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hindus antha okkate avvali ante. hindu ane caste petti . anni castes nee abholish cheyyali. |
   
Jackjill
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Post Number: 6919 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 8.20.184.6
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 12:06 pm: |
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Tilak:gawd bless .. charitra ni chimpese pani lo undu mari ..
wikilink editing ki acces istha leru naaku, lekapothe ee paatiki  |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 746 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:59 am: |
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Jackjill: Musunuri nayaks gurinchi janam cheppedhi anthaa sollu, Kams kabatti JKC & Mullapudi Harsichandra Prasad valla dabbu etti, history ni glorify chesi dobbar
gawd bless .. charitra ni chimpese pani lo undu mari ..  Jackjill: inka enti ee clan gallu Hindusim ni save chesedhi
future gurinchi evadu annadu .. past lo chesaru ani cheppa .. Jackjill:runam teerchukovaali anukuntunna..
pandaga chesuko .. Jackjill:Just curious to know
I donno either .. naa varaku naaku casette comes by ur profession .. hence .. u/each can deduce .. |
   
Jackjill
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Post Number: 6916 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 8.20.184.6
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:55 am: |
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Tilak tammudu, Musunuri nayaks gurinchi janam cheppedhi anthaa sollu, Kams kabatti JKC & Mullapudi Harsichandra Prasad valla dabbu etti, history ni glorify chesi dobbar My last name is same as one of the valorous clans of Musunuri Nayaks and one famous person from that clan is some Archbishop, inka enti ee clan gallu Hindusim ni save chesedhi BTW, naa life lo okka saari aina maa Mazlis-Ittehadul-Musallameen party ki vote esi maa waseem gani intla tinna biryani and Naeem gaani intla tinna haleem yokka runam teerchukovaali anukuntunna.. Ikkada boston lo maa office eduruga, ISKCON untadhi, tellollu weekly -procession untadhi funny funny ga, ee tella poragallu hindu aithe convert ayindru gaani, vella casette endhi antav?? Just curious to know |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 744 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:53 am: |
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Mario_puzo:mataala kinda vidi povalsina vallu, kulala kosam vidipoyaru ani badha padutunnaru antena ee thread saaramsam? kadu sochaneeyam!!
Vjavasi: Bharatvarsha is a diverse nation, its diversity has no parallels anywhere on the planet. The diversity includes different climatic zones, Geographical areas, Languages, communities, customs, food, dress, rituals, modes of worship and philosophies covering all colors of life. Diversity in bharatvarsha is not anarchism or chaos, a civilizational framework and a history runs common through this diversity.
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Mario_puzo
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Post Number: 2257 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 183.82.34.238
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:51 am: |
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mataala kinda vidi povalsina vallu, kulala kosam vidipoyaru ani badha padutunnaru antena ee thread saaramsam? kadu sochaneeyam!! nenu dasari (not cinema dasari) song esukuntu ee thread lonchi velli potunna... illu illaniyevu illu naadaniyevu! nee illu ekkade chilukaaa?? uriki utaraana saamaadhi puram lo katte illunnade chilukaaaa!! katte illunnade chilukaaa!! |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 9177 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:39 am: |
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Rajusk: I am not sure if you have watched Rajiv Malhotra's lectures...veelaithe choodandi or ayana books chadavandi..one of the books i am reading is pretty much in the same line of thinking you presented..
i watched his lectures......know his thought process |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 19403 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:37 am: |
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Vjavasi: Modern Hindutva, if it has to evolve as a manifestation of sanatan dharma should address this global decline and be able to give an alternative framework from the roots of sanatan dharma. Sanatan dharma, except for residual symbols almost has no outer manifestation today, though some seeds of that outer manifestation still exist in classical literature. The onus is on hindus to explore them and find suitable alternatives to current western modernity in social, political, inner & outer sciences. A serious evaluation of present knowledge including scientific from the perspective of sanatana dharma is required. This can be feasible only if sanatan dharma finds resonance, acceptance in Bharatvarsha. For hindutva to gain popular acceptance in Bharatvarsha it has to go beyond just taking pride in intellectual output of the past.
I am not sure if you have watched Rajiv Malhotra's lectures...veelaithe choodandi or ayana books chadavandi..one of the books i am reading is pretty much in the same line of thinking you presented.. |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 740 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:31 am: |
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Vjavasi:The chatur-varna system lost its charm as Brahmin-kshatriya varnas lost their leadership on account of loss of expertise in both inner and external sciences.
Awesome .. ! Thats holy grail !!! Vjavasi:Hindutva has turned out to be a political convenience for individuals and organizations to grab power without any ideological goals.
truth .. again .. |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 9176 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:21 am: |
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Buduguuu:Thanks. Help me in understanding this. So, is hindutva about knowing the vedic science and not about implementation?? I think the caste discrimination is just one part of hindutva. Today, everybody has access to everything but still we are talking about reviving the lost glory. so, does that mean when brahmins dominated society hindutva was more in force and existence and today it lost because brahmins are no longer a dominated/cared section??
didn't get your question.....read my post down....it could give you answer |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 738 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:18 am: |
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Vjavasi:Repu america lead capitalist christian block, china lead muslim block manalani aata lo arati pandu laaga kummataniki ready aithe Hindus paristithi enti?
Guessing by the poor response of DB junta (just about 6 ppl posted in this thread from a DB of almost 1000 ppl) .. I think .. the above scenario is something that they are thinking is laughable .. i am not surprised at all .. but they will be happy to read something by an eminent political scientist from the US (not from Hindutva brigade should be a +ve credential) .. his name is Samuel Huntington more about him here .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_P._Huntington Here is the link to his classic called .. "the clash of civilizations" .. http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/pnorris/Acrobat/Huntington_Cla sh.pdf |
   
Buduguuu
Junior Artist Username: Buduguuu
Post Number: 793 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 199.249.176.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:18 am: |
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Rajusk:cassette hierarchy based politics ishtart ayyinappatinunchi....kottuka savadam inka konchem ekkuva ayyindi..of course "money+external forces" managed media is playing its role to the best of its ability
bjp ki kaani rss kaani em start pettaled kada ee caste based politics. it is ambdekar and other prominent people who started fighting for equal rights for all and thats where caste politics started. reservations came. how is bjp responsible for it?? |
   
Buduguuu
Junior Artist Username: Buduguuu
Post Number: 792 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 199.249.176.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:15 am: |
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Vjavasi:how can a low caste guy relate to the glory of vedic knowledge when he has no stake in it.......
Thanks. Help me in understanding this. So, is hindutva about knowing the vedic science and not about implementation?? I think the caste discrimination is just one part of hindutva. Today, everybody has access to everything but still we are talking about reviving the lost glory. so, does that mean when brahmins dominated society hindutva was more in force and existence and today it lost because brahmins are no longer a dominated/cared section?? Rajusk:appatidaka manaki cassette based politics kooda levu anthaga...janalani political gaa divide ayyina..it was based on ideology..but not cassette..
hindutva is about ideology but not castes. it is much before bjp's entry into politics that caste started playing a major role. |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 9174 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:15 am: |
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written down my ideas on the need for common hindu agenda Can Hindutva broaden its base from Brahminism? Bharatvarsha is a diverse nation, its diversity has no parallels anywhere on the planet. The diversity includes different climatic zones, Geographical areas, Languages, communities, customs, food, dress, rituals, modes of worship and philosophies covering all colors of life. Diversity in bharatvarsha is not anarchism or chaos, a civilizational framework and a history runs common through this diversity. This common civilizational framework is traditionally referred to as âSanatan Dharmaâ or for a modern Hindu nationalist it is âHindutvaâ with extra emphasis on geographical boundaries and History. The basic structural framework of âsanatana dharmaâ is chatur-varna and chatur-ashrama, no matter what the modern proponents of hindutva say about âvarnaâ, it is indeed an important pillar of Sanatana Dharma. Chatur-varna has 1) Brahmins 2) Kshatriyas 3) Vyshyas and 4) Shudras with a hierarchical order. Brahmins as spokespersons for sanatana dharma on account of their knowledge of shastras or scriptures, kshatriyas as upholders of sanatan dharma and all four varnas have their respective sva-dharma or duty as part of sanatana-dharma. There are different views on how a person gets his varna, by birth or by intrinsic nature or by karma, thatâs slightly a different issue. This is the classical civilizational framework of Bharatvarsha in all its glory. Bharatvarsha in classical times lived and excelled through this framework. Times changed and Bharatvarsha was ravaged by brutal merciless invaders outside the framework of sanatana dharma for over a millennium inflicting heavy human, material, civilizational and structural losses. Bharatvarsha as it stands today is a confused conglomeration of different self-interest parties with ritual adherence to some residual symbols of sanatana dharma, the framework itself changed and replaced by alien rules &ideas. There has been an attempt by hindu nationalists and other groups to highlight and reinstate what they consider superior ancient ideas & practices of sanatana dharma in the mainstream. Modern Hindutva Agenda and Brahminism Brahmins in hindu society traditionally cultivated knowledge and were authorities in shastras, they diligently passed the sacred knowledge, practices of Santana dharma down the generations with much efforts. This includes Vedas, Upanishads, itihasas, puranas, and other classical literature. The civilizational narrative in itihasas, puranas and other classics indicate central role Brahminical knowledge and practices played, they also contributed in a utilitarian perspective with yagnas, yagas and other practices that were performed for specific utilitarian end objectives, they were repositories of different sciences including the science of weapons âastra vidyaâ. In short they were conscience keepers of society with their expertise in what Rajiv Malhotra calls âinner sciencesâ and also âouter sciencesâ. The present is completely different from those puranic ideas or practices, we live in a different paradigm of society and economy driven by a different set of knowledge & technological sources. Itâs an outcome of degradation of chatur-varna. we moved away from the path of sanatana dharma long before the marauders entered the scene. The chatur-varna system lost its charm as Brahmin-kshatriya varnas lost their leadership on account of loss of expertise in both inner and external sciences. Chatur-varna could only work if Brahmin-kshatriya duo is capable of their extraordinary roles, otherwise why should anybody follow or listen to them? However, the present civilizational paradigm is a serious deviation from the core of sanatan dharma or even human values, it is showing a trend towards destruction and decline, over emphasis on greed driven utilitarian technology is leading it nowhere and its contribution to âinner sciencesâ is zero. Modern Hindutva, if it has to evolve as a manifestation of sanatan dharma should address this global decline and be able to give an alternative framework from the roots of sanatan dharma. Sanatan dharma, except for residual symbols almost has no outer manifestation today, though some seeds of that outer manifestation still exist in classical literature. The onus is on hindus to explore them and find suitable alternatives to current western modernity in social, political, inner & outer sciences. A serious evaluation of present knowledge including scientific from the perspective of sanatana dharma is required. This can be feasible only if sanatan dharma finds resonance, acceptance in Bharatvarsha. For hindutva to gain popular acceptance in Bharatvarsha it has to go beyond just taking pride in intellectual output of the past. Importance of Jal(water), Jameen(land) and Jan-shakthi (peopleâs power) In the modern context, for a variety of reasons only few groups, mostly traditional practicing Brahmins have some exposure to the classical intellectual, cultural aspects of sanatana dharma. A vast majority of traditional shudra classes canât directly relate to the intellectual or classical aspects of sanatan dharma though they still connect to simple worship of gods & goddesses. Having lost whatever tradition they had to the modern socio-political influences, the vaccume in their intellectual, cultural and spiritual space is being increasingly filled by alien influences inimical to dharma. The vast masses may not relate themselves to the fine philosophical nuances of sanatan dharma but they can be aroused to the basic primordial devotion towards land and water. This combined with emphasis on self-organizing principle of sanatan dharma to consolidate Jan-shakthi in the form of family, community & panchayats can become the ideological motivating factor and face of sanatan dharma for majority of hindus. The attachment of vast majority of hindus towards mother earth (land), Ganga (water) and Gau (cow) is legendary. The current geo-economic scenario also demands going back to civilizational roots, recognize and re-evaluate the primacy of land, water & livestock for survival. The modern state tends to be fascist control freak and doesnât allow people independence to decide their fate and destiny, it thrives on resource control, homogenization & monopoly. So an ideological socio-political framework following spirit of sanatan dharma that respects diversity and emphasizes a certain degree of decentralization is the need of hour. There are individuals within the stream of political hindutva who seemed to have realized the need to appeal the masses on a broader utilitarian ideological framework that appeals to the present, than just invoking the philosophical, scientific & cultural supremacy of Vedas, Upanishads, Itihasas or hindu achievements in bygone times. Either these individuals are sidelined or became irrelevant. Hindutva has turned out to be a political convenience for individuals and organizations to grab power without any ideological goals. If hindutva sympathizers canât articulate the socio-economic issues related to roti, makan, kapada within the framework of sanatan dharma, their appeal would be limited to just suvarna sections who can take pride in their traditional knowledge sources. They can take a clue on this from Ramdev baba who started late but successfully spreading socio-economic-spiritual awareness among masses and created an institutional and business model for his ideas of swadeshi in a short time. |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 737 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:08 am: |
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Buduguuu:naak joke ardam kaaled kaani ikkada subject ki ,bjp ki em link?? modern day politics lo bjp role gattiga start ayinade around late 1980's.bjp strong ayye time ki hinduism,hindutva anevi pattinchukune vallu kuuda takkuva ayipoyaru kada. inka bjp ki em pani :-)
ante emi ledu tammud .. ivala repu .. Hindutva/Hinduism ki last voices are from BJP/right wing .. and incidentally .. the right wing consolidation/revival is an idea started by brahmins in modern times (either by Savarkar or Hedgewar) .. and issues like .. Go-vadha, importance to Vedas/Vedic culture .. etc contributed a bit in strengthening that feeling .. |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 19402 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:07 am: |
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Buduguuu:naak joke ardam kaaled kaani ikkada subject ki ,bjp ki em link?? modern day politics lo bjp role gattiga start ayinade around late 1980's
appatidaka manaki cassette based politics kooda levu anthaga...janalani political gaa divide ayyina..it was based on ideology..but not cassette.. cassette hierarchy based politics ishtart ayyinappatinunchi....kottuka savadam inka konchem ekkuva ayyindi..of course "money+external forces" managed media is playing its role to the best of its ability |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 9173 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
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Buduguuu:when is hindutva linked to brahminism in history .. i know i am poor in history but please enlighten me
The idea of hindutva as discussed in intellectual circles as of today espouses the glory of yesteryears as presented in the classics.....people at large don't have access to these classics except few groups.......how can a low caste guy relate to the glory of vedic knowledge when he has no stake in it.......so we need somthing common interest that can motivate entire spectrum of hindus |
   
Buduguuu
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Post Number: 791 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 199.249.176.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:04 am: |
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Rajusk:after BJP came into existence ...kiki
naak joke ardam kaaled kaani ikkada subject ki ,bjp ki em link?? modern day politics lo bjp role gattiga start ayinade around late 1980's.bjp strong ayye time ki hinduism,hindutva anevi pattinchukune vallu kuuda takkuva ayipoyaru kada. inka bjp ki em pani  |
   
Rajusk
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Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:03 am: |
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Basky_indya:Raju sk Mari naaku emi chepparu ante nenu unna phase ekkuva effect tho vachedi kaadu it's some star based annadu like bhukti dasa naadi vrusika and anuradha ne but regular ga vacche effect di kaadu antunnaru ante naaku phases lo yelnati sani phase ledhu Guru dasa bush dasa sukra dasa ravi dasa Ila vunnai anthey
Basky...nee statements anni bouncers ae malli... anyways..if you are vrischika raasi..you will have sade saathi effect...starting just now.. intensity of sade saathi differs for each person..based on Ashtakavarga of Saturn and also lordship of Saturn in your chart.. |
   
Bunty717
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Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:02 am: |
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Rajusk:after BJP came into existence ...kiki
meeru kiki ani ettinaa.. gidaite fact.. tulaks bjp ante bhayapadina oka meaning untaadi.. hindus ee hating chestaaru nanna laanti BJP ni and mother laanti casetee suffort party ki vote estaaru |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 19400 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 11:00 am: |
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Bunty717:raju gaaru free unte chepandi.. meetho talkaali
calling seyyandi..anytime for you... |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 735 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
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Rajusk:after BJP came into existence ...kiki
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Methhanithodugu
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Rajusk: Buduguuu: when is hindutva linked to brahminism in history after BJP came into existence ...kiki
Good joke  RGV "Aayana Poyaaru" in 20 days , No Song but Strong BG .. |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 19398 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:59 am: |
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Buduguuu:when is hindutva linked to brahminism in history
after BJP came into existence ...kiki |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 734 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:58 am: |
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Vjavasi:it's about all types of enemies internal and external
ivaala unna situation in the country chusthe .. its impossible to deal internal+external invasion of Hindus anipistundi .. kaani having read and evidenced a little bit of the Hindu renaissance over the millenia .. I will be glad to eat my words .. |
   
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Post Number: 9172 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:57 am: |
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Rajusk: meedi loaded quechen..beyond the scope of my knowledge emo anipisthundi..vindia lone unnaru kabatti i can refer few good ones...and you can reach out to them..at a cost though...but i think it might be worth it
can you e-mail their contact & fee info....thanks |
   
Basky_indya
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Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:56 am: |
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Raju sk Mari naaku emi chepparu ante nenu unna phase ekkuva effect tho vachedi kaadu it's some star based annadu like bhukti dasa naadi vrusika and anuradha ne but regular ga vacche effect di kaadu antunnaru ante naaku phases lo yelnati sani phase ledhu Guru dasa bush dasa sukra dasa ravi dasa Ila vunnai anthey kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. MASTER BLASTER 'Sir' SACHIN TENDULKAR FANS ASSOSIATION YOUTH PRESIDENT.. |
   
Buduguuu
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Post Number: 790 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 199.249.176.251
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Buduguuu:Post Number: 789
that q was to vjavasi  |
   
Bunty717
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Rajusk:
raju gaaru free unte chepandi.. meetho talkaali |
   
Buduguuu
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Post Number: 789 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 199.249.176.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:55 am: |
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Rajusk:Can Hindutva broaden its base from Brahminism?
when is hindutva linked to brahminism in history .. i know i am poor in history but please enlighten me  |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 19397 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:54 am: |
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Vjavasi:waiting for your mail andi...meeku kaali vunnapudu choodandi
meedi loaded quechen..beyond the scope of my knowledge emo anipisthundi..vindia lone unnaru kabatti i can refer few good ones...and you can reach out to them..at a cost though...but i think it might be worth it |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 9171 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:53 am: |
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Tilak:what about the enemy within? what about the 'Hindus' who cannot tolerate "us" in India .. and can identify themselves more with the 'other' ..
it's about all types of enemies internal and external |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 19395 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:52 am: |
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Basky_indya:vrushika based vallaki anuradha naksatram based elinati sani nadustondi so star based ki effects takkuva untundi than raaasi based pls correct me
Basky..nuvvu seppindi naaku samajh kaale.. bottomline..vrischika raasi vallaki saade sathi ishtarted from Nov 2011...temporary gaa 2012 may to august undakapovachu |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 19394 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:51 am: |
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Tilak:what about the enemy within? what about the 'Hindus' who cannot tolerate "us" in India .. and can identify themselves more with the 'other' ..
anduke nemo Hindus become more religious once outside the country...kiki |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 733 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:48 am: |
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Vjavasi:can we have a common agenda to practically deal with other groups who can't tolerate or accept us?
what about the enemy within? what about the 'Hindus' who cannot tolerate "us" in India .. and can identify themselves more with the 'other' .. |
   
Basky_indya
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Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:47 am: |
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Raju mama kanukunna vrushika based vallaki anuradha naksatram based elinati sani nadustondi so star based ki effects takkuva untundi than raaasi based pls correct me kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. MASTER BLASTER 'Sir' SACHIN TENDULKAR FANS ASSOSIATION YOUTH PRESIDENT.. |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 732 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
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Rajusk: the hindu of today..takes more pleasure in identifying himself with his sub sect or cassette..taking his being hindu as granted...and sees no need to protect the hindu identity
i agree with this .. |
   
Gandhiguevara
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Post Number: 27916 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 66.151.13.188
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:47 am: |
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Rajusk:the hindu of today..takes more pleasure in identifying himself with his sub sect or cassette..taking his being hindu as granted...and sees no need to protect the hindu identity
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Vjavasi
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Post Number: 9169 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
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can hindus as a group have a common agenda?......forget about rich tradition vedas, culture and all that bragging about past....can we have a common agenda to practically deal with other groups who can't tolerate or accept us? |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 731 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:46 am: |
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Rajusk: bottomline..we as a whole big country were not united ani septhunna
A country is defined as a 'geographical area with political power' anedi .. british vadu vachina taravata manam nerchukunnadi rajugaru .. prior to that .. our definition of 'Rajya' was different from 'Desha' .. Naaku unna limited comm skills .. I will not be able to explain you better .. kaani I think .. you can understand and appreciate it .. when you hear it from the video named 'Intellectual Terrorism' by Radha Rajan .. in youtube .. andulo aavida .. how India always existed as a country prior to 1947 cheptundi .. |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 19393 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
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Vjavasi:The so called hindu leadership has turned out to be a paper tiger in bringing hindus together and protecting their interests
the hindu of today..takes more pleasure in identifying himself with his sub sect or cassette..taking his being hindu as granted...and sees no need to protect the hindu identity whereas it should have been the other way round |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 730 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
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for people who think .. there was no "Hindu" sense for Indians/Telugus in history while waging wars .. they should read about the one of the most famous warriors from the Telugu speaking land .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musunuri_Nayaks They clearly fought against the Islamic sultanate of Delhi ...
quote:The Telugu country was in great turmoil and ferment. Seeds of revolution were sown. Two patriotic souls, Annaya Mantri and Kolani Rudradeva exhorted and united the remaining Nayak chieftains. They instilled a sense of unity and sacrifice to protect the Telugu country and Hindu Dharma. A dynamic and valiant Nayak hailing from Vengi (in modern-day West Godavari district) was chosen as their leader. He was Musunuri Prolayanayak (Prolaaneedu), a brave and battle-hardy Kamma warrior[14]. Prolaynayaka was the son of Pochinayaka who had three brothers namely Devanayaka, Kammanayaka and Rajanayaka. The son of Devanayaka was Kaapayanayaka (Musunuri Kaapaaneedu) who was the right hand man of Prolaya. The other cousins of Prolaya also ably assisted him in his endeavours. Prolaya galvanized all the Nayaks and their progeny and united them with his organizational skills[15]. The Nayaks set aside their differences and rallied under the leadership of Prolaya to safeguard the Hindu religion and the empire [16].Some of the prominent Nayaks included Addanki Vemareddy, Koppula Prolayanayaka, Recherla Singamanayaka, Manchikonda Ganapatinayaka, Vundi Vengabhupathi etc., They all had a singular objective of liberating Telugu country from the alien invaders.
manaki .. oka sense of Hindu bonding lekapothe .. we would not have lasted this long .. almost 800 AD time lo .. Indus river area lo Muslim armies invade cheyyadam start chesayi .. almost after 1000 years through the medieval period .. we have sustained to a great extent .. only bcoz there was a resistance from the whole Hindu society .. |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 19392 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:41 am: |
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Tilak:belong to a particular caste of today .. many people claim them as their own now ..
problem is the now situation..in different states.. what i meant was...historically we were divided as kingdoms... today we are divided as cassettes... bottomline..we as a whole big country were not united ani septhunna |
   
Gandhiguevara
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Post Number: 27915 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 66.151.13.188
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Tilak:and as of today .. we do not know that either Kakatiyas or Vijayanagar-Rayals belong to a particular caste of today .. many people claim them as their own now ..
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Vjavasi
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Post Number: 9168 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
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the present is depressing......The so called hindu leadership has turned out to be a paper tiger in bringing hindus together and protecting their interests....each passing day desham is slipping into bottomless pit...all pervading darkness |
   
Tilak
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Post Number: 729 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:36 am: |
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Rajusk: oka group laa history lo eppudoo leru..
fact is .. this is distortion of history .. ekkada daaka no akkarledu .. mana AP teesukondi .. Kakatiyas kinda pani chesina vallalo .. 99% were Hindus from all castes .. and Kakatiya kingdom was a predominantly Hindu kingdom .. alage .. Vijayanagara Empire, of which AP was a crucial part .. the history is same .. and as of today .. we do not know that either Kakatiyas or Vijayanagar-Rayals belong to a particular caste of today .. many people claim them as their own now ..  |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 9167 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
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Rajusk:oka group laa history lo eppudoo leru..appudu kingdoms perutho..ippudu cassette perutho inka kottuka sasthunnam...
kaani ippudu united we stand....divided we could perish....asalu unity lenappudu India oka desham la vuntam valla vupayogam enti?....we can have five hundred seperate countries.....ee mukka ki aa mukka decide chesukovachu america ki dasyam cheyyala leka china ki cheyyala ani |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 9166 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
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Rajusk:
rajugaru, waiting for your mail andi...meeku kaali vunnapudu choodandi |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 19391 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:26 am: |
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Vjavasi:as a group asalu veelaki oka startegy vundha?....
oka group laa history lo eppudoo leru..appudu kingdoms perutho..ippudu cassette perutho inka kottuka sasthunnam... so meeru cheppina aa rendu groups lo edo oka group ki jai anesi bathikeyyadame veezy solution |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 9165 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:19 am: |
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Repu america lead capitalist christian block, china lead muslim block manalani aata lo arati pandu laaga kummataniki ready aithe Hindus paristithi enti?.....as a group asalu veelaki oka startegy vundha?....How do deal as agroup with external world ane consciousness vundha asalu ee samoohaniki? |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 9164 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 - 10:13 am: |
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Hindu interests ki representative ga oka party paiki raavali ante emi cheyyali....what should be the strategy?.......asalu hindu interests ante enti?......hindus anaga muslims,christians kaani nana jathula, kulala samooham la vundhi prastutha rajyanga definition prakaram... oka common national & international agenda evolve cheyyavacha...ee topic meedha meeku emanna alochanalu vunte ikkada share cheyyandi.....this is not caste thread......Brahminism means practices limited to Brahmins and few other groups.....just want to know what hinduism means to different groups especially lower castes |