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Yep. Truth bites.:-)



Assumptions too .. good luck partying ..
We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak
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Yep. Truth bites.:-)

If orthodox Hindu lifestyle wasn't enough to show barbarism(burning widows, cruelty to other sectors, untouchability, etc), than the barbarism shown by both Hindoos and Moslems during Partition should be more than enough proof.

But don't worry, I didn't want to give your ego a trip. Just stating my opinion based on events.
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but before answering that question .. answer this .. what is wrong in brahminism as such? and also if it is so different from rest of hinduism .. can we consider it a different religion/way of life altogether?

never thought it this far .. but looks an interesting angle ..





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I think Hindu category is too broad. The Hindu way of life itself is a comical approach to anything. Every community does their own thing.

I am surprised by this thought of 'shadow'. Frankly, I know other countries with significant population where Brahmins are looked down upon as just priests.

My opinion had always been that as far as India is concerned, it was more of the media feeding and media control, something which will naturally die as more people from other communities start coming into creative field and media.
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If not for the British, India would be an Africa, today.



oh no .. not again ..
We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak
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There are many Hindu societies outside of India where there is minimal influence. The advantage was that they belonged to a section that was able/allowed to 'learn'. But Jains wrote so many of the classics.

Media is under Brahmin control even now in most of India. That is where influence is forced.

Today's India, including Pakistan, was a British achievement. You can moo till the cows go home, but the truth is that Indian subcontinent was in pieces with so many internal wars.

If not for the British, India would be an Africa, today.
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Vjavasi:

because at present they don't have any stakes in these sublime cultural areas...for instance how many non-B's can understand or appreciate the technicalities of india classical music or classical literature?...in the present situation they are less inclined or couldn't find alternatives in native traditions to fill the void



bhale vaare .. music lo folk music and tribal music ignore chesara? and yes .. not many many not appreciate technicalities of classical music ..but not many do not even care that form of music .. right? atleast in todays era .. music is an open field .. and classical music's share is may be 5-10% of the total music industry

alage art ante classical dance varaku may be Bs dominate .. how about art forms like painting, sculpture, and modern art forms like cinema, drama ..

and if you consider television entertainment an art form .. the Bs should not even be discussed .. do you agree?

and literature is a level playing field in the last 50 years, if you leave out the past ..
We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak
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Tilak:

music/arts/literature lo even if B influence unna .. i dont understand the problem .. how is it affecting the psyche of the others ..





because at present they don't have any stakes in these sublime cultural areas...for instance how many non-B's can understand or appreciate the technicalities of india classical music or classical literature?...in the present situation they are less inclined or couldn't find alternatives in native traditions to fill the void
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Vjavasi:

religion core, music, arts, literature.....ivi anekha karanala chetha Brahmin traditions lo bhagame kadha mana society lo



though there are many contributions from non Bs to religion core .. I would accept your argument ..

how about music, arts, literature? music and arts aithe vere vaalla contribution chaala undi kada ..

music/arts/literature lo even if B influence unna .. i dont understand the problem .. how is it affecting the psyche of the others ..
We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak
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Tilak:

emi traits/traditions unnayi annai which are unique and alien to non-B s .. please list them out ..






religion core, music, arts, literature.....ivi anekha karanala chetha Brahmin traditions lo bhagame kadha mana society lo
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Vjavasi:


even if most of them don't follow their occupations the residual traits and traditions still exist if you have to define hindu identity they form the major core in whatever shape they are in at the present



emi traits/traditions unnayi annai which are unique and alien to non-B s .. please list them out ..
We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak
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If you want to know the true reason, you look at history of India over a long period of time. Turaka vaallu, aprachyulu vacchi chesina neechapu panulaki balai, confuse ai last ki manalo maname kottuku chastunnaamu.
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Tilak:

i cannot see any karma/occupation today that has 'brahminic' work/duty




even if most of them don't follow their occupations the residual traits and traditions still exist if you have to define hindu identity they form the major core in whatever shape they are in at the present


Tilak:

wherein the world do we have an environment which is mostly brahminic




you may not see it explicitly but it's very much part of hindu personal and psycological life
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in theory they r but not feasible practically.....it's both guna and karma....just having guna won't suffice for most, karma or traits comes by occupation and environment an individual lives in



even if we consider that karma/occupation and environment majorly influence a person .. his caste .. i cannot see any karma/occupation today that has 'brahminic' work/duty .. also cannot understand .. wherein the world do we have an environment which is mostly brahminic .. so that a brahminic thought/influence arises in non-brahmins by birth .. bcoz .. most brahmins by birth today are not exactly brahmins by guna ..
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Tilak:

isnt being brahmin/kshatriya etc .. to be decided by each person .. according to his "gunas" .. (gist of Gita?) .. rather than birth?





in theory they r but not feasible practically.....it's both guna and karma....just having guna won't suffice for most, karma or traits comes by occupation and environment an individual lives in
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nothing wrong in brahminism....but it's akind of specialization within hinduism....this specialization is not natural to most non-brahmins...having lost their traditional swa-dharmas i think most intellectually aware non-brahmins feel some void in their identity



isnt being brahmin/kshatriya etc .. to be decided by each person .. according to his "gunas" .. (gist of Gita?) .. rather than birth?

rest of the questions later ..
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Tilak:

I have a question .. Do all hindus have an identity or shadow of brahminism? which hindus should have an identity outside the shadow of brahminism? is it all hindus? or only non-brahmins? also .. in my view .. ivala repu .. most brahmins are big macaulay-ites kada .. so if non-brahmins step out of the shadows of brahminism .. should somebody else fill in that space? or should that space be null and void?




idhi ardham kaledhu bedar


Tilak:

but before answering that question .. answer this .. what is wrong in brahminism as such? and also if it is so different from rest of hinduism .. can we consider it a different religion/way of life altogether?




nothing wrong in brahminism....but it's akind of specialization within hinduism....this specialization is not natural to most non-brahmins...having lost their traditional swa-dharmas i think most intellectually aware non-brahmins feel some void in their identity
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Nenu Hindu nay
never felt that way






depends....hindu way of life meedha lothuga alochisthe, most sublime things and ideas will move us close to sphere of influence of brahminism ani anukuntunna
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bro .. bump ..
We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak
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nenu mee vaadinay ani oka damil-telungu cnmaa undhi




kaadu khan saab...mana Kanchi Iliah gaari pusthakam undi...itu vanti title tho..Baba goru catch chestharo emo ani postanu
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//ee title ekkado vinnattu undi Baba goru...//

nenu mee vaadinay ani oka damil-telungu cnmaa undhi
of coz movie is abt upper caste dominance...more conc on brahmins

so your guess is in the context of the thread which itself may be wrong :D
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macaulay-ite


ante whaatu?
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Vja annai ..

I have a question .. Do all hindus have an identity or shadow of brahminism? which hindus should have an identity outside the shadow of brahminism? is it all hindus? or only non-brahmins? also .. in my view .. ivala repu .. most brahmins are big macaulay-ites kada .. so if non-brahmins step out of the shadows of brahminism .. should somebody else fill in that space? or should that space be null and void?

but before answering that question .. answer this .. what is wrong in brahminism as such? and also if it is so different from rest of hinduism .. can we consider it a different religion/way of life altogether?

never thought it this far .. but looks an interesting angle ..
We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak
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Nenu Hindu nay




ee title ekkado vinnattu undi Baba goru...
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Vjavasi:

wether we like it or not every hindu indian is consciously or subconsciously programmed by the seeds of brahminical influence



Nenu Hindu nay
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Brahminism or Brahminical influence?

answer to this question should explain the reasons behind our confusion.....wether we like it or not every hindu indian is consciously or subconsciously programmed by the seeds of brahminical influence and yet majority of them cannot own those influences, that's the main conflict and schism in Hindu psychie




British vaadu divide and rule ki vaadukonna enno theories lo idi okati...
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Brahminism or Brahminical influence?

answer to this question should explain the reasons behind our confusion.....wether we like it or not every hindu indian is consciously or subconsciously programmed by the seeds of brahminical influence and yet majority of them cannot own those influences, that's the main conflict and schism in Hindu psychie

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