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Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 368 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 01:09 am: |
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Madrascalcutta: Yep. Truth bites.:-)
Assumptions too .. good luck partying .. We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak |
   
Madrascalcutta
Junior Artist Username: Madrascalcutta
Post Number: 209 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 174.115.164.255
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 01:05 am: |
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Tilak:
Yep. Truth bites.:-) If orthodox Hindu lifestyle wasn't enough to show barbarism(burning widows, cruelty to other sectors, untouchability, etc), than the barbarism shown by both Hindoos and Moslems during Partition should be more than enough proof. But don't worry, I didn't want to give your ego a trip. Just stating my opinion based on events. |
   
Rowdy
Hero Username: Rowdy
Post Number: 14961 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 75.168.169.170
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 01:02 am: |
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Tilak: but before answering that question .. answer this .. what is wrong in brahminism as such? and also if it is so different from rest of hinduism .. can we consider it a different religion/way of life altogether? never thought it this far .. but looks an interesting angle ..
godava ledu  నాకు కొంచెం తిక్కుంది ... కానీ దానికో లెక్కుంది |
   
Madrascalcutta
Junior Artist Username: Madrascalcutta
Post Number: 208 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 174.115.164.255
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 01:00 am: |
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I think Hindu category is too broad. The Hindu way of life itself is a comical approach to anything. Every community does their own thing. I am surprised by this thought of 'shadow'. Frankly, I know other countries with significant population where Brahmins are looked down upon as just priests. My opinion had always been that as far as India is concerned, it was more of the media feeding and media control, something which will naturally die as more people from other communities start coming into creative field and media. |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 365 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 12:56 am: |
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Madrascalcutta: If not for the British, India would be an Africa, today.
oh no .. not again .. We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak |
   
Madrascalcutta
Junior Artist Username: Madrascalcutta
Post Number: 207 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 174.115.164.255
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 12:54 am: |
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Vjavasi:
There are many Hindu societies outside of India where there is minimal influence. The advantage was that they belonged to a section that was able/allowed to 'learn'. But Jains wrote so many of the classics. Media is under Brahmin control even now in most of India. That is where influence is forced. Today's India, including Pakistan, was a British achievement. You can moo till the cows go home, but the truth is that Indian subcontinent was in pieces with so many internal wars. If not for the British, India would be an Africa, today. |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 364 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 12:52 am: |
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Vjavasi:because at present they don't have any stakes in these sublime cultural areas...for instance how many non-B's can understand or appreciate the technicalities of india classical music or classical literature?...in the present situation they are less inclined or couldn't find alternatives in native traditions to fill the void
bhale vaare .. music lo folk music and tribal music ignore chesara? and yes .. not many many not appreciate technicalities of classical music ..but not many do not even care that form of music .. right? atleast in todays era .. music is an open field .. and classical music's share is may be 5-10% of the total music industry alage art ante classical dance varaku may be Bs dominate .. how about art forms like painting, sculpture, and modern art forms like cinema, drama .. and if you consider television entertainment an art form .. the Bs should not even be discussed .. do you agree? and literature is a level playing field in the last 50 years, if you leave out the past .. We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 9077 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 12:41 am: |
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Tilak:music/arts/literature lo even if B influence unna .. i dont understand the problem .. how is it affecting the psyche of the others ..
because at present they don't have any stakes in these sublime cultural areas...for instance how many non-B's can understand or appreciate the technicalities of india classical music or classical literature?...in the present situation they are less inclined or couldn't find alternatives in native traditions to fill the void |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 360 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 12:18 am: |
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Vjavasi: religion core, music, arts, literature.....ivi anekha karanala chetha Brahmin traditions lo bhagame kadha mana society lo
though there are many contributions from non Bs to religion core .. I would accept your argument .. how about music, arts, literature? music and arts aithe vere vaalla contribution chaala undi kada .. music/arts/literature lo even if B influence unna .. i dont understand the problem .. how is it affecting the psyche of the others .. We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 9075 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2012 - 10:05 am: |
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Tilak:emi traits/traditions unnayi annai which are unique and alien to non-B s .. please list them out ..
religion core, music, arts, literature.....ivi anekha karanala chetha Brahmin traditions lo bhagame kadha mana society lo |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 348 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2012 - 09:22 am: |
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Vjavasi: even if most of them don't follow their occupations the residual traits and traditions still exist if you have to define hindu identity they form the major core in whatever shape they are in at the present
emi traits/traditions unnayi annai which are unique and alien to non-B s .. please list them out .. We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak |
   
Ringo_rangaswamy
Junior Artist Username: Ringo_rangaswamy
Post Number: 534 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 69.120.136.97
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2012 - 05:57 am: |
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If you want to know the true reason, you look at history of India over a long period of time. Turaka vaallu, aprachyulu vacchi chesina neechapu panulaki balai, confuse ai last ki manalo maname kottuku chastunnaamu. |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 9073 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2012 - 03:09 am: |
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Tilak: i cannot see any karma/occupation today that has 'brahminic' work/duty
even if most of them don't follow their occupations the residual traits and traditions still exist if you have to define hindu identity they form the major core in whatever shape they are in at the present
Tilak:wherein the world do we have an environment which is mostly brahminic
you may not see it explicitly but it's very much part of hindu personal and psycological life |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 340 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2012 - 03:00 am: |
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Vjavasi: in theory they r but not feasible practically.....it's both guna and karma....just having guna won't suffice for most, karma or traits comes by occupation and environment an individual lives in
even if we consider that karma/occupation and environment majorly influence a person .. his caste .. i cannot see any karma/occupation today that has 'brahminic' work/duty .. also cannot understand .. wherein the world do we have an environment which is mostly brahminic .. so that a brahminic thought/influence arises in non-brahmins by birth .. bcoz .. most brahmins by birth today are not exactly brahmins by guna .. We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 9072 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2012 - 02:54 am: |
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Tilak:isnt being brahmin/kshatriya etc .. to be decided by each person .. according to his "gunas" .. (gist of Gita?) .. rather than birth?
in theory they r but not feasible practically.....it's both guna and karma....just having guna won't suffice for most, karma or traits comes by occupation and environment an individual lives in |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 337 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2012 - 02:42 am: |
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Vjavasi: nothing wrong in brahminism....but it's akind of specialization within hinduism....this specialization is not natural to most non-brahmins...having lost their traditional swa-dharmas i think most intellectually aware non-brahmins feel some void in their identity
isnt being brahmin/kshatriya etc .. to be decided by each person .. according to his "gunas" .. (gist of Gita?) .. rather than birth? rest of the questions later .. We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 9070 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2012 - 02:37 am: |
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Tilak:I have a question .. Do all hindus have an identity or shadow of brahminism? which hindus should have an identity outside the shadow of brahminism? is it all hindus? or only non-brahmins? also .. in my view .. ivala repu .. most brahmins are big macaulay-ites kada .. so if non-brahmins step out of the shadows of brahminism .. should somebody else fill in that space? or should that space be null and void?
idhi ardham kaledhu bedar
Tilak:but before answering that question .. answer this .. what is wrong in brahminism as such? and also if it is so different from rest of hinduism .. can we consider it a different religion/way of life altogether?
nothing wrong in brahminism....but it's akind of specialization within hinduism....this specialization is not natural to most non-brahmins...having lost their traditional swa-dharmas i think most intellectually aware non-brahmins feel some void in their identity |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 9069 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2012 - 01:28 am: |
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Telugu_times:Nenu Hindu nay never felt that way
depends....hindu way of life meedha lothuga alochisthe, most sublime things and ideas will move us close to sphere of influence of brahminism ani anukuntunna |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 328 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2012 - 01:09 am: |
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Vjavasi:
bro .. bump .. We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak |
   
Rajusk
Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 18972 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2012 - 04:52 pm: |
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Khandada:nenu mee vaadinay ani oka damil-telungu cnmaa undhi
kaadu khan saab...mana Kanchi Iliah gaari pusthakam undi...itu vanti title tho..Baba goru catch chestharo emo ani postanu |
   
Khandada
Junior Artist Username: Khandada
Post Number: 722 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 64.79.135.151
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2012 - 04:15 pm: |
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//ee title ekkado vinnattu undi Baba goru...// nenu mee vaadinay ani oka damil-telungu cnmaa undhi of coz movie is abt upper caste dominance...more conc on brahmins so your guess is in the context of the thread which itself may be wrong  Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,Humpty Dumpty had a great fall |
   
Gandhiguevara
Megastar Username: Gandhiguevara
Post Number: 26367 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 66.151.13.188
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2012 - 04:10 pm: |
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Tilak:macaulay-ite
ante whaatu? |
   
Tilak
Junior Artist Username: Tilak
Post Number: 314 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 59.164.50.223
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2012 - 04:05 pm: |
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Vja annai .. I have a question .. Do all hindus have an identity or shadow of brahminism? which hindus should have an identity outside the shadow of brahminism? is it all hindus? or only non-brahmins? also .. in my view .. ivala repu .. most brahmins are big macaulay-ites kada .. so if non-brahmins step out of the shadows of brahminism .. should somebody else fill in that space? or should that space be null and void? but before answering that question .. answer this .. what is wrong in brahminism as such? and also if it is so different from rest of hinduism .. can we consider it a different religion/way of life altogether? never thought it this far .. but looks an interesting angle .. We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak |
   
Rajusk
Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 18969 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2012 - 03:48 pm: |
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Telugu_times:Nenu Hindu nay
ee title ekkado vinnattu undi Baba goru... |
   
Telugu_times
Moderator Username: Telugu_times
Post Number: 26735 Registered: 02-2008
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2012 - 03:38 pm: |
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Vjavasi:wether we like it or not every hindu indian is consciously or subconsciously programmed by the seeds of brahminical influence
Nenu Hindu nay never felt that way |
   
Rajusk
Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 18956 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.10
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2012 - 11:05 am: |
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Vjavasi:Brahminism or Brahminical influence? answer to this question should explain the reasons behind our confusion.....wether we like it or not every hindu indian is consciously or subconsciously programmed by the seeds of brahminical influence and yet majority of them cannot own those influences, that's the main conflict and schism in Hindu psychie
British vaadu divide and rule ki vaadukonna enno theories lo idi okati... |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 9014 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2012 - 09:47 am: |
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Brahminism or Brahminical influence? answer to this question should explain the reasons behind our confusion.....wether we like it or not every hindu indian is consciously or subconsciously programmed by the seeds of brahminical influence and yet majority of them cannot own those influences, that's the main conflict and schism in Hindu psychie |