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Entikaburlu:


program constructionwise even this is just another java application. it gives the illusion of a container because it has non-terminating event waiting loop. in otherwords if you see catalina.bat or catalina.sh in tomcat/bin you would see it running the program just like any other java program.



That's right, hence it is called sandbox.

OTOH, Microsoft integrated and loads some of the .NET services as part of OS (depending on the favor like Windows Server Edition). It blurs the sandbox lines. This gives an impression that .NET Frameworks foot print is lighter and faster at runtime. The downside is no third-party can build their own .NET runtime.
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Simba:

Server-side Java runs in a sandbox called JVM which usually is an App Server




program constructionwise even this is just another java application. it gives the illusion of a container because it has non-terminating event waiting loop. in otherwords if you see catalina.bat or catalina.sh in tomcat/bin you would see it running the program just like any other java program.
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Entikaburlu:

here is the difficulty in comparing them. i think, .NET is a memory resident module/system always present in Windows once activated.

In Java world, there is nothing always present. Java itself runs as a program and ends when all the threads end.



Server-side Java runs in a sandbox called JVM which usually is an App Server (container). There are many vendors for these App Servers (IBM, Oracle, JBoss, Tomcat etc) running on different OSs (Windows, Unix, Linux, OS X etc). The SDK and in turn API to access container jas to be approved by JSR (comprising of many companies, teams).

In the .NET world, this container is .NET Frameworks. This frameworks is developed by Microsoft, available on Windows only and any updates to API has to be approved by MS only. Talk about freedom and open source :-) (I know there is "mono" by it is far from realty).
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Entikaburlu:

The browser runs the JRE on the first need and keeps it in loop waiting for the next applet to run.


idhi correst anukuntaa
the first time firefox tries to open a web page which needs JRE, it will take a few seconds to launch JRE if i am not wrong
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Proline:

why considering? what it has that 6 lacking?




Switch case functionality for string variables :D :D
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Entikaburlu:

what is a Java Platform? there isn't any such thing.. do you mean JRE, which includes JVM?




here is the difficulty in comparing them. i think, .NET is a memory resident module/system always present in Windows once activated.

In Java world, there is nothing always present. Java itself runs as a program and ends when all the threads end. Even the webserver is a Java Program. Only reason it is always there because the HTTP monitor is running in an endless event waiting loop. so strictly speaking there is no such thing as the Java Platform.

except..

inside a web browser, the JRE is always active to run the applets. this is to avoid having to initiate the JRE every time an applet needs to be run. The browser runs the JRE on the first need and keeps it in loop waiting for the next applet to run. Even this I am not entirely sure, but most likely to be like that.
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Dma:

java Platform.




what is a Java Platform? there isn't any such thing.. do you mean JRE, which includes JVM?
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Entikaburlu:

Can you imagine writing a OS using .Net? Java ecology is much larger than .Net. the java subsystem that is comparable to .net is J2EE




.NET is analogous to java Platform.

CLR is analogous to JVM

C#/VB.NET/etc are analogous to Java/Scala etc.
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Khandada:

java is a programming language anukuntunnaa




yes, J2EE is the entrprise platform of Java. java does many things.

what they have is a JVM. this is language agnostic and hardware agnostic. On JVM, you can run many languages. Java is one. You can also run Scala, JPython, Erlang, Haskell, JRuby also on JVM. many ppl do not know that JVM has nothing to do with Java language.

On Java, they have a JRE (run time) and JDK (an sdk). You can build desktop apps, web applets or any thing you want using JDK. You can write entire OS in java.

J2EE is a java application that acts as a web framework similar to .Net.

Android is a java app that functions as an Operating System itself!

There are similar things for embedded java, real time java etc.

Can you imagine writing a OS using .Net? Java ecology is much larger than .Net. the java subsystem that is comparable to .net is J2EE
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In net there is a control for attachment, in java I have to write code to read the file, parse it in memory it was pain



.net is a enterprise platform, java is a programming language anukuntunnaa
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Gotcha:

I tried my hand on java it is not simpler. In net there is a control for attachment, in java I have to write code to read the file, parse it in memory it was pain.




if you started programming in VB/VC++ Control/event/fill in the gap kind of coding, you cannot enjoy Java or any other prog language. if you started your programming with C or C++ (not Visual C++), then you will find java very simple.
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I tried my hand on java it is not simpler. In net there is a control for attachment, in java I have to write code to read the file, parse it in memory it was pain.
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Gotcha:

In reliability and performance maybe but on a smaller scale net rocks for it's simplicity it rocks




where .net scores is its admin much more user friendly with GUI etc. for java usually you would use linux which means you would be mostly using bash shell and command line, which is a turn off for many.
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In reliability and performance maybe but on a smaller scale net rocks for it's simplicity it rocks




compared to .net java is simpler. I have done both.
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In reliability and performance maybe but on a smaller scale net rocks for it's simplicity it rocks
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Gotcha:

Do we have something similar in java?




oh yea..

in the language itself we have something called Concurrent package. also called Doug Lea package. it has a wide variety of executors, schedulers, queues, blocking non blocking queues etc.

then we have external messaging/actors frameworks to provide threadless concurrency. example JetLang. Loosely based on Scala's Actors Framework.

in Java 7/8

they will provide unix style Fork/Join to make the POSIX systems easy to port
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In Net there is a new stuff for parallel programming without handling threads yourself just use an identifier called parallel or something and it does the handling for u.


Do we have something similar in java?
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Proline:

is there a way to convert c-dll's to java byte code?




no, but you can invoke dlls via the JNDI interface. kludgy and somewhat dangerous but works.
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Gotcha:

How about LINQ like stuff in Java. Using SQL like syntax in coding to access objects




we have a plenty of ORMS like nHibernate, ibatis, turbine etc but they are all libraries (jars) but not in the language itself. language offers something called jdbc with core classes on which they build the ORMs. I think even LINQ is an external library, right?
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How about LINQ like stuff in Java. Using SQL like syntax in coding to access objects
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is there a way to convert c-dll's to java byte code?
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Gotcha:

Lambda expressions inks J2ee lo raleda?




well, java follows a JCP/JSR process so every damn idiot has to agree. which is good and bad. but always takes more time. this makes java safer to use as a strategic platform so that no single company can change it on a whim.
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Lambda expressions inks J2ee lo raleda?

.net lo eppudu vachadu kada
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wrong link, right one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_calculus
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Caddy:




Lambda, not Lambada.. though I wish they called them Lambada. Love that word.

Lambdas are full first class function parameters in Python. Very useful feature, they want to bring it into java. loosely this is also called closures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda
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Entikaburlu:

Lambadas.


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Proline:

why considering? what it has that 6 lacking?




I am most excited about Lambdas.
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Proline:

why considering? what it has that 6 lacking?




we dont usually jump on the latest band wagon, we are in 1.6.29 level, the last release from Sun. We want 1.7 to harden a bit. We will move to 1.7 when it goes to 1.7.10 or so. Just a company policy.

what it has? It is supposed to have some advanced stuff like closures, lambda, annotations, better GC etc

full list here:

http://inebium.com/post/java-7-new-release-performance-code
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Entikaburlu:

considering


why considering? what it has that 6 lacking?
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Proline:

7 version use chesara mee companylo?




not yet, considering..
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qn askio..
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Entikaburlu:


7 version use chesara mee companylo?
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