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Zulu:

Babu povangane koduku ki automatic ga seat ivvatam banisatvam culture ni encourage cheyyatame..


Brother... everybody has to start at some point or the other.

Nuvve or Nannu for that matter anyone... they have a starting point. Sachin Pilot ki kooda MP election is the starting point. Nuvvu or Nenu velli nunchunte evadu vote veyyadu brother.

Sachin ki ivvadaaniki oka reason.. his father has already proved to be a people's politician and people ASSUME/BELIEVE that his kith/kin will also follow the same tradition. Andhuke athani ki vote esthaaru... and esaaru kooda. Okka saari pani sarigga cheyaka pothe its PEOPLE'S RESPONSIBILITY to strip him from that post in the next election. As simple as that.
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West & India ki no comparison

US lo Abraham Lincoln peru cheppukuni aayana dynasty ledu kadaa, being the founding father of a Federal USA .. Mana country lo Gandhi peru cheppukuni kukka moothi pindelu being the masters and people are slaves.


UK lo second world win ayina tarvtha - Winston Churchill ne teesi pakkana pettaru being a famous leader himself who lead the country.

As is the case with Eisenhower and Roosevelts in USA.
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Cylonesubbarao:

Lets take Sachin Pilot... thana thandri poyaka he took up that LS seat and contested and won with great majority. Its a peoples verdict and they all favored him. I'm for such type of varasatvam.




LS Seat elavochindi? Bewarse ga ichara? Internal ga elections petti seat ichara?

Babu povangane koduku ki automatic ga seat ivvatam banisatvam culture ni encourage cheyyatame..

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Nihil:

What i want to say is - Having a tag helps only so far, but every person u mentioned come on his merit rather than nominated for the president.




Thats true kani merit i doubt :-)

pakka democratic, pakka republican antenee banisatvam kada:-) i agree mari rajiv gandhi, son & daughters of prominent CM's MP's etc laga kadu india lo pranam iste valla tarataralaki istaru either its good or bad adi banisatvam ante i cant agree might be LOVE to the person??

clinton fans 80% hillary ki
senior bush supporters GW ki
kennedy President kalekapoina congressman,senator avvataniki vupayogapadindi
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US politics lo tags help a bit but not so far for everything - lemme explain.

what do u say about clinton being a senator?
.........
Clinton being a senator not a big thing in itself.

Newyork is pakka democrat state - clinton kakapothe some xyz vunna gelise state.

Noe for president her tag didn't help - her inheritance come so far .


bush dynasty
..........

Prescott bush - Senator
Elder bush - Senator ga, Defence secretary ga almost 30 yr govt lo pani chesina tarvatha President ayyadu - anthe kaani direct ga president ki nominate kaledu.

Lil bush - currant president is a moron..entha takkuva matladithe antha manchidi. Texas governor ga pani chesakane president ayyadu , anthe gani na peru bush, so nominate avvaledu.

kennedy dynasty
--------
John f kennedy is president on his own merit
Bobby kennedy assassinated - civil rights lo pedda leader, and new york senator
Ted kennedy - 30 Yr nundi seantor and big leader on his own


almost most of the senators are either sons or daughters of senators or governors or congressmen
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This is patently wrong - please provide me the names of tagged people




What i want to say is - Having a tag helps only so far, but every person u mentioned come on his merit rather than nominated for the president.
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Nihil:

Clinton being the biggest brand name in the world politics - Obama is an unknown who raised on his own by sheer focus and determination.




what do u say about clinton being a senator?

bush dynasty

kennedy dynasty

almost most of the senators are either sons or daughters of senators or governors or congressmen
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Telugu times - correct ga cheppav - Banisa mentality mana prajaladi, can't raise above it - The reason being the collective psyche being so brutally subjugated to all the invaders starting from Mughals and then 300 Yrs of British masters.

The subalterns fixed to Master- Slave relationship.

This is not only my personal opinion, but of Social psychologists who studied Post-colonial India (You can include south asia as well )

Oka chinna example istha just for comparison -

Obama Vs Hillary clinton - In India,You can't imagine this situation.

Clinton being the biggest brand name in the world politics - Obama is an unknown who raised on his own by sheer focus and determination.

This itself speaks volumes about the political culture in west compared with South asia.
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Cylonesubbarao:




ade cheppedi
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subbarao inka dukanam musayi nee target reach aiyindi oka bala, oka jr vochessaru topic loki


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subbarao inka dukanam musayi nee target reach aiyindi oka bala, oka jr vochessaru topic loki

kinda evaro cheppinattu dunnali annukonnodu alla dunnaledu daniki acceptence kavali unfortunately world runs like that pro's cons emi vundavu manaki saripadinda leda...
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Zulu:

same amount of experiance unte asalu varasudu ane issue ekkada undi?


Again confuse avutunnav...

Lets take Sachin Pilot... thana thandri poyaka he took up that LS seat and contested and won with great majority. Its a peoples verdict and they all favored him. I'm for such type of varasatvam.

And another case... Rajiv Gandhi... he is set in PM seat immediately after Indra's death.. which is wrong and I'm not for those type of varasatvams. Same with Lallu & Rabri case too.

Hope I'm clear now.
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same amount of experiance unte asalu varasudu ane issue ekkada undi?

for example Rajiv gandhi PM ayye tappatiki 0 experiance in politics, he became PM Directly?

Commonman ki benifit enti ikkada?
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Common man ki Okka pro cheppu, One benifit a common man is going to get from a less experianced vaarasudu as opposed to well experianced person.


Brother... I'm not comparing a novice varasudu with an experienced person.... discussion wrong direction lo ellindi for some reason.

I was just talking about in general varasatvam OK na kaadha in politics... again this doesn't mean putting that varasudu directly on top position like CM, PM or Party Leader position without any ground work from him/her for sometime towards party.
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Ikakda start chesukondi discussion ni.

Let me say few things before you all haters () jump on me....

1. I'm not saying PM/CM seats lantivi direct ga varasatvam lo iccheyyali ani anadam ledhu.

2. Every politician has to start somewhere or the other. Alanti appudu... if you know a raajakeeya varasudu then people tend to incline towards him or her going by his pre-predecessor's peformance. They ASSUME that this guy/gal will do some good.

3. For every political position there are advisors. Don't assume that its always just an individual decision.... it will be most of the times consensus in political decisions.

Alanti appudu whats wrong with Rajakeeya varasulu?




Pros and Cons annavu? Pros enti?

Common man ki Okka pro cheppu, One benifit a common man is going to get from a less experianced vaarasudu as opposed to well experianced person.

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Idle_yzag:

nuvvu bhale set chesthunav annai Nandamuri fans ni


You hater.... asalu nee lantolle naa lanti 'honest' persons ki maccha testhunnaru.
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they are inclined towards those who are performing.... like NBK or Jr. NTR


nuvvu bhale set chesthunav annai Nandamuri fans ni
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Cylonesubbarao:

Ippudu Annagaru family nundi Bala kaakunda... inka entho mandi vaccharu kadha brother... kurrallu andharini enakesaara.... edo action nacchindi kaabatti... they are inclined towards those who are performing.... like NBK or Jr. NTR

Andhulo thappu emundi brother?




I was just kidding....did not mean any ill intention towards any fans of any stars...apologies..

My movie knowledge is very limited and layman like
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Telugu_times:

unnaaru lay bajana batch. aallani ignore button lo petteysina howlaa gaallani.


Idhi konchem OVER AYYINDI
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Rajusk:

Anna nuvvu Gemini TV daaka poyinav...mana DB lo lera


Ippudu Annagaru family nundi Bala kaakunda... inka entho mandi vaccharu kadha brother... kurrallu andharini enakesaara.... edo action nacchindi kaabatti... they are inclined towards those who are performing.... like NBK or Jr. NTR

Andhulo thappu emundi brother?
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Anna nuvvu Gemini TV daaka poyinav...mana DB lo lera >>>

unnaaru lay bajana batch. aallani ignore button lo petteysina howlaa gaallani.
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Monna yevado, kantri movie appudu, live tv program ki call jesindu, kurnool nunchi. Aswini dutt gaaru, movie chaala bagundhandi, inka NTR acting gurinchi cheppakkarledhu, memu chinnappati nunchi NTR and balakrishna fans mandi. Junior kooda adhay family kadha, inkaa memu fan kaakunda elaa untaamandi





Anna nuvvu Gemini TV daaka poyinav...mana DB lo lera
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Becoz majority of peoples mind set are Bhaanisa mentality.


Endhi bhai idhi... oka kotta person vaste vote etla esthaav emi soosi esthaav ante.... peoples mindset antaav.... bhaanisa mentality antav.... naaku samajayitale.
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Why would you vote a new person who doesn't have any political mileage or experience? >>>

Becoz majority of peoples mind set are Bhaanisa mentality.

"Monna yevado, kantri movie appudu, live tv program ki call jesindu, kurnool nunchi. Aswini dutt gaaru, movie chaala bagundhandi, inka NTR acting gurinchi cheppakkarledhu, memu chinnappati nunchi NTR and balakrishna fans mandi. Junior kooda adhay family kadha, inkaa memu fan kaakunda elaa untaamandi"

gatlaa untai, mana vaalla aalochanalu. andhukay, we should discourage vamshams in politics.
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Cylonesubbarao:

Manmohan Singh gaaru ela elect ayyevaaro telusu kadha brother




I hope you are not comparing Manmohan Singh's capability with that of Rahul/Priyanka who are green horns in the journey of life itself..
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Manmohan Singh gaaru ela elect ayyevaaro telusu kadha brother. If thats unconstitutional then lets fight for scrapping that option.




But he has proved himself as RBI Governor...he was provided a chance as a Finance Minister where he succeded...but he is a policy maker unlike a rubber stamp with a family name...and probably they did not want to take a chance of loosing an administrator ...trying him in an election..
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The person should start a new party and contest elections and become CM/PM within a month/year. That is a fair game too.


Why would you vote a new person who doesn't have any political mileage or experience?
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As long as they are elected like anyone else to the house(and not made Rajya Sabha members)


Manmohan Singh gaaru ela elect ayyevaaro telusu kadha brother. If thats unconstitutional then lets fight for scrapping that option.
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But not at the expense of existing senior leaders, who sincerely worked all their years in the party and you want to overtake them, just becoz you are from same vamsham.


Brother.... akkada party ante ne oka group of people. No individual can take a decision to make a person CM or PM.

It has to be a consensus process and a person with majority approval will be in the chair... which is a valid democratic process. Whats wrong with it?
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Mari Bala or Rahul or Priyanka lani vaallu... konni rojulu ground work sesi.... then contest sette thappu emiti?




As long as they are elected like anyone else to the house(and not made Rajya Sabha members) and then prove themselves in atleast one position(like Lallu as you quoted) that they are effecient
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politics are not an alternative for the retirement of careers.
If you are interested in politics, one should grow up from the grass root level and prove his/her mettle like Indira Gandhi
OR
The person should start a new party and contest elections and become CM/PM within a month/year. That is a fair game too.

But not at the expense of existing senior leaders, who sincerely worked all their years in the party and you want to overtake them, just becoz you are from same vamsham.
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Rajusk:

unfortunately there is a very thin line between Tags being used vs being abused


Agree....

Mari Bala or Rahul or Priyanka lani vaallu... konni rojulu ground work sesi.... then contest sette thappu emiti?
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Rajusk:

3. When you have so many advisors...why do you need a person from the family...anyone can be sitting on the seat...


crowd pulling factor makes more trick than performer

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Cylonesubbarao:

But masses across need a 'jana aakarshana' vyakti thats where tags will work out.




I agree...unfortunately there is a very thin line between Tags being used vs being abused
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Idle_yzag:

varasalu ante sons yena son-in-laws/back stabbing kuda na?


You hater..... chettu peru cheppi kayalu ammukune prathi okkaru varasulu lo esuko.
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Rajusk:


3. When you have so many advisors...why do you need a person from the family...anyone can be sitting on the seat...


But masses across need a 'jana aakarshana' vyakti thats where tags will work out.
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varasalu ante sons yena son-in-laws/back stabbing kuda na?
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Cylonesubbarao:

1. I'm not saying PM/CM seats lantivi direct ga varasatvam lo iccheyyali ani anadam ledhu.

2. Every politician has to start somewhere or the other. Alanti appudu... if you know a raajakeeya varasudu then people tend to incline towards him or her going by his pre-predecessor's peformance. They ASSUME that this guy/gal will do some good.

3. For every political position there are advisors. Don't assume that its always just an individual decision.... it will be most of the times consensus in political decisions.

Alanti appudu whats wrong with Rajakeeya varasulu?




1. Nenu anedi kooda adhe..

2. Let him/her be part of the party and do some ground work and not become Party General Secretary in 2 years and Prime Minister in 4 years...

3. When you have so many advisors...why do you need a person from the family...anyone can be sitting on the seat...

My 2 paisa
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Ikakda start chesukondi discussion ni.

Let me say few things before you all haters () jump on me....

1. I'm not saying PM/CM seats lantivi direct ga varasatvam lo iccheyyali ani anadam ledhu.

2. Every politician has to start somewhere or the other. Alanti appudu... if you know a raajakeeya varasudu then people tend to incline towards him or her going by his pre-predecessor's peformance. They ASSUME that this guy/gal will do some good.

3. For every political position there are advisors. Don't assume that its always just an individual decision.... it will be most of the times consensus in political decisions.

Alanti appudu whats wrong with Rajakeeya varasulu?

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