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Indiarocks
Side Hero Username: Indiarocks
Post Number: 8788 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 184.155.119.199
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 12:39 am: |
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Vjavasi:Modi started evening courts in Gujarat, reduced vacations to court staff and seriously working on to achieve zero pending cases in near future.....he will sure come with reforms to improve the judicial system....
Modi kotha reform enduku babu. Central Govt allocated 1400crores to rural courts. 18lkhs to setup rural court, and 6lks per annum to maintain it. Rest of it to be borne by the state. The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 8923 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 11:20 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:Vjavasi brother ni oka question adagaali -- "Can Modi go to any elections saying that he will abolish judiciary in India, because Judges are corrupt?"
Modi started evening courts in Gujarat, reduced vacations to court staff and seriously working on to achieve zero pending cases in near future.....he will sure come with reforms to improve the judicial system.... edho, abhyudayam raavali, janam baagundaali ane wishes laaga unnayi kaani, reforms laaga levu ivi //ilaantivi implement chesthe, billion population unna mana country lo, veedhi oka kotham law create avutundhi.. turakolla area lo pandhini cut chesthe.. vaadini ralla tho champeyyochu ani valla local panchayat leader/judge judgement ichesthaadu .. telugu lo naatu gaa example endhuku cheppanu ante kinda India rocks kurrodu clean gaa explain chesaadu english lo// Having qualified elected people in villages as judges doesn't mean different laws for each village or sections of people |
   
Mental_sachinodu
Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu
Post Number: 6473 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 05:21 pm: |
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so enti judge = judiciary system ani thelchaara? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Bar_and_ha_cub
Junior Artist Username: Bar_and_ha_cub
Post Number: 567 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 04:19 pm: |
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Indiarocks:Yes, 3 months lo ivvali. Total court infrastructure untundi.
Who enforces the 3 month rule? What happens if the judgement is not delivered within time?
Indiarocks:Key is Govt willing to spend money. Fast track court ani, inkedo ani infrastructure kosam money spend cheyakapothe em labham. If warranted by a law, money will be allotted.
Fast Track courts were even faster,more or less like panchayatis, PDM/Sub-Judge/ADJ range judicial officers are assigned cases at their level and they go the villages talk to the petitioners/respondents to settle the case infront of the Judge and withdraw it at agreement. |
   
Indiarocks
Side Hero Username: Indiarocks
Post Number: 8780 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 04:04 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:Is there any difference in how the cases are dealt in these courts?
Yes, 3 months lo ivvali. Total court infrastructure untundi. Key is Govt willing to spend money. Fast track court ani, inkedo ani infrastructure kosam money spend cheyakapothe em labham. If warranted by a law, money will be allotted. In the first phase, rural court will cover 5-6 panchayats. The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Bar_and_ha_cub
Junior Artist Username: Bar_and_ha_cub
Post Number: 566 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 03:59 pm: |
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Indiarocks:Fast track court, munsif court enni villages ki okati unnayi? Prathi village ki okati undaa? Unte inni cases pending enduku unnayi?
OK, ippude koncham research chesaanu, court building lo inkoka new building and/or new court with new judge anthe I don't see any difference in the process of these courts. Edho BJP time lo Fast track annaru ani peru marchi Rural antunnaru emo http://www.indianexpress.com/news/soon-a-rural-court-in-ever y-district-of-ben/639317/ http://www.indianexpress.com/news/rajasthans-first-rural-cou rt-inaugurated/717084/ Is there any difference in how the cases are dealt in these courts? Is there any difference in recruitment of Judges in these courts? Is there an easier way to approach the court with out a lawyer? If answer for any of the questions is "NO", then this is nothing but Old wine in new bottle, the only appreciation this idea deserves is it will increase the staff of judiciary. |
   
Indiarocks
Side Hero Username: Indiarocks
Post Number: 8779 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 03:57 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:Avsarama ee thread lo ee discussion manaku,
Meeku nachaledu ani avasaram ledu ante elaga? Judiciary corrupt undi ani thread. Judiciary, and investigation agencies enduku totally independent and less corrupt gaa levu ani question veskunte daniki answer okate - No proper effort has been made by politicians to strengthen them. Mari daniki last 30yrs nundi politics lo unna kooda em peekakunda ivala judgements iche vallani anaka evarini anali? The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Bar_and_ha_cub
Junior Artist Username: Bar_and_ha_cub
Post Number: 565 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 03:51 pm: |
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Indiarocks:Idey point mana CBN garu mati matiki CBI ante Congress Bureau of Investigation annappudu kooda apply autundi. 30yrs politics lo unnadu, 9yrs CM, party had MPs in every term. Okka saari adigara CBI ni independent of political influence cheyandi, strength penchandi ani. Chivariki ikkada Anna Hazare banner pattukuni padayathra, Parliament lo Lokpal bill ki opposition. CBI autonomy meeda kaadu opposition, Lokayukta vaddu ani.
Avsarama ee thread lo ee discussion manaku, Nenu : Gelavaledu kabatti enni aina chepthaadu JP Nuvvu : Aaku Rowdila party meedhi Nenu : Lok chethha meedhi ilaanti disco avasarama?? I am discussing about Judiciary, not about what politicians can or cannot do. JP ni vadileyyi, I dont think he is the one I want to bet my money on, I have nothing against him. You can go ahead and bash CBN as much as you want, he is just another coward politician who I like better than others. Vjavasi brother ni oka question adagaali -- "Can Modi go to any elections saying that he will abolish judiciary in India, because Judges are corrupt?" |
   
Indiarocks
Side Hero Username: Indiarocks
Post Number: 8778 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 03:46 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:Ok, but how are they different from current fast track and Munsif courts?
Fast track court, munsif court enni villages ki okati unnayi? Prathi village ki okati undaa? Unte inni cases pending enduku unnayi? The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Bar_and_ha_cub
Junior Artist Username: Bar_and_ha_cub
Post Number: 564 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 03:42 pm: |
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Indiarocks:Lack of staff, and lack of enough number of courts. Rural courts law answers both these issues.
Ok, but how are they different from current fast track and Munsif courts? |
   
Bar_and_ha_cub
Junior Artist Username: Bar_and_ha_cub
Post Number: 563 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 03:39 pm: |
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Vjavasi:few reforms in my mind 1. Do away with colonial judicial system 2. Decentralization of some routine and non-serious aspects of justice delivery to panchayats to a qualified person unanimously elected by panchayat members or reprsentaives of different communities in a village or locality 3. More emphasis on spirit of law and justice than exact written word with flexibility to act according to the situation within a reasonable framework
edho, abhyudayam raavali, janam baagundaali ane wishes laaga unnayi kaani, reforms laaga levu ivi ilaantivi implement chesthe, billion population unna mana country lo, veedhi oka kotham law create avutundhi.. turakolla area lo pandhini cut chesthe.. vaadini ralla tho champeyyochu ani valla local panchayat leader/judge judgement ichesthaadu .. telugu lo naatu gaa example endhuku cheppanu ante kinda India rocks kurrodu clean gaa explain chesaadu english lo |
   
Indiarocks
Side Hero Username: Indiarocks
Post Number: 8776 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 03:35 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:Matters are pending because of numerous reasons : 1) Lack of Staff 2) Parties themselves, either of the paries want to mainatain status quo, so he/she keeps delaying the process by seeking time. 3) Executive-- Political Pressures on various depts in the GOVT which does not respond in time.
Lack of staff, and lack of enough number of courts. Rural courts law answers both these issues. Bar_and_ha_cub:You are talking about the retirement of One Judge on the bench, Judges vasthaaru pothaaru, its the Insitution which stands. Why is it bothering you so much?
Idey point mana CBN garu mati matiki CBI ante Congress Bureau of Investigation annappudu kooda apply autundi. 30yrs politics lo unnadu, 9yrs CM, party had MPs in every term. Okka saari adigara CBI ni independent of political influence cheyandi, strength penchandi ani. Chivariki ikkada Anna Hazare banner pattukuni padayathra, Parliament lo Lokpal bill ki opposition. CBI autonomy meeda kaadu opposition, Lokayukta vaddu ani. The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Bar_and_ha_cub
Junior Artist Username: Bar_and_ha_cub
Post Number: 562 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 03:30 pm: |
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Indiarocks:Enti judicial service ante edisinattu unda idea. Meritocracy, standards of recruitment lekunda edo exam pass aipothe judge aipovadam bagunda? FYI this idea was approved by three most experienced and eminent judges of present India. They drafted the Indian Judicial Reform bill that is going to come to the Houses shortly.
Ante Judicial Services lo exams kaakkunda vere emi pass avvali Define meritocracy & standards? Any process is full-proof, untill someone finds a way to abuse it. I cannot comment untill I get the details. |
   
Bar_and_ha_cub
Junior Artist Username: Bar_and_ha_cub
Post Number: 561 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 03:26 pm: |
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Indiarocks:Meeru vishayam telsukuni argue cheste better. Abt 2yrs ago, Rural courts law had been passed, already. Kaani funding states cheyala, center cheyala anna daani meeda aagindi. Munsif courts, fast track courts antha bagunte anni cases pending endukunnayi. Chinna cases ki kooda enduku years padutondi judgement?
OK concept enti?? How are they different from Munsif courts and fast track courts? Matters are pending because of numerous reasons : 1) Lack of Staff 2) Parties themselves, either of the paries want to mainatain status quo, so he/she keeps delaying the process by seeking time. 3) Executive-- Political Pressures on various depts in the GOVT which does not respond in time. Fast Track Courts was also a revolutionary idea. |
   
Bar_and_ha_cub
Junior Artist Username: Bar_and_ha_cub
Post Number: 560 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 03:18 pm: |
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Vjavasi:maastaru...akkada order reserve chesinappudu.....judgement kaani further guidelines kaani ivvali kadha......CBI natakaalu adutunte judge chodyam choostunnada?..three years reserve chesi emi telchakunda retire ayyadu ant enti ardham?
You are talking about the retirement of One Judge on the bench, Judges vasthaaru pothaaru, its the Insitution which stands. Why is it bothering you so much? On the other hand, either party - Mulayam or CBI, kooda move cheyyochu kaani cheyyaru, both the parties want to mainatain Status quo. This is not a Sue-Motto matter, Courts does not have to be pro active, asalu petitioners ki avasaram lenappudu Courts mundhuku endhuku padathayi saami |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 8922 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 02:55 pm: |
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Indiarocks:This is vague, and extremely dangerous. YS. Jagan ki thanani arrest cheyakapovadam justice. Evaru define chestaru justice ni. If a law is not framed to provide justice, the law has to be changed. Anthe kaani vague gaa spirit of law, justice ante evadiki istam vachinatlu vaadu vadukuntadu.
I am not supporting vague out of context judgements......flexibility within a given framework that can help in effective judgements over a given baseline |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 8921 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 02:51 pm: |
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Indiarocks:This can be dangerous, esply with our electoral system largely controlled by caste, money, and liquor.
when justice mechanism is visible and at their doorstep, People can understand the importance of that position to their self-interest....unanimous election can ensure all can have voice irrespective of caste or religion |
   
Indiarocks
Side Hero Username: Indiarocks
Post Number: 8775 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 02:47 pm: |
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Vjavasi:2. Decentralization of some routine and non-serious aspects of justice delivery to panchayats to a qualified person unanimously elected by panchayat members or reprsentaives of different communities in a village or locality
Inka alochiste inkaa dangerous gaa undi ee idea. Oka pakkana judiciary ni, politics ni separate cheyali ani meeru antune, panchayat reps ki judgements ivvali ani powers ivvala? Nijamgaa oka village lo antha manchi peru unna vallu unte, janalu already valla daggaraki veltharu, before going to courts. The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Indiarocks
Side Hero Username: Indiarocks
Post Number: 8774 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 02:44 pm: |
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Vjavasi:2. Decentralization of some routine and non-serious aspects of justice delivery to panchayats to a qualified person unanimously elected by panchayat members or reprsentaives of different communities in a village or locality
This can be dangerous, esply with our electoral system largely controlled by caste, money, and liquor.
Vjavasi:3. More emphasis on spirit of law and justice than exact written word with flexibility to act according to the situation within a reasonable framework
This is vague, and extremely dangerous. YS. Jagan ki thanani arrest cheyakapovadam justice. Evaru define chestaru justice ni. If a law is not framed to provide justice, the law has to be changed. Anthe kaani vague gaa spirit of law, justice ante evadiki istam vachinatlu vaadu vadukuntadu. The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 8920 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 02:39 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:Reforms -- Cheppu, ento aa reforms.
few reforms in my mind 1. Do away with colonial judicial system 2. Decentralization of some routine and non-serious aspects of justice delivery to panchayats to a qualified person unanimously elected by panchayat members or reprsentaives of different communities in a village or locality 3. More emphasis on spirit of law and justice than exact written word with flexibility to act according to the situation within a reasonable framework |
   
Gandhiguevara
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Post Number: 24470 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 66.151.13.188
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 02:37 pm: |
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Indiarocks
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Post Number: 8772 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 02:30 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:Judicial commission ok, to have a bird eye on judgements by judges. Indian judicial service enti? IAS,IPS laaga.. edisinattu undhi idea. Sounds more or less like a Executive position than a Judicial position. Rural court? -- How are these different Munsif courts and fast track courts?
Enti judicial service ante edisinattu unda idea. Meritocracy, standards of recruitment lekunda edo exam pass aipothe judge aipovadam bagunda? FYI this idea was approved by three most experienced and eminent judges of present India. They drafted the Indian Judicial Reform bill that is going to come to the Houses shortly.
Bar_and_ha_cub:Rural court? -- How are these different Munsif courts and fast track courts?
Meeru vishayam telsukuni argue cheste better. Abt 2yrs ago, Rural courts law had been passed, already. Kaani funding states cheyala, center cheyala anna daani meeda aagindi. Munsif courts, fast track courts antha bagunte anni cases pending endukunnayi. Chinna cases ki kooda enduku years padutondi judgement? The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Indiarocks
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Post Number: 8771 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 02:25 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:JP gaari efforts kosama ee argument.
Chesinde gaa cheppukundi. Bill gates ki outsourcing nerpinchanu ante navvali kaani.
 Bar_and_ha_cub:Local Judicial officers(Upto District Judge) -- Exams pedathaaru, and then they get promotions. High Court Judges -- They have title of "Justice". Recuruiment two ways : 1) Seniority in the Judicial Services, has been a District Judge/Registrar at Hight Court. 2) From the Bar - a) A quorum selects few names b) Sends to the Consortium in Supreme 3) First Discussion, based on the profile 4) If interested, ask Law Ministry for Budget details and Intelligence Reports 5) Reject - Proceed "Decision" 6) Take the Consent from the candidate 7) Send Orders to Law Ministry 8) Law Ministry fowards the file to "President of India" 9) President Signs the Warrants 10) Then take oath Idhi process kaada ??
Adi saripodu annadi point. The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Bar_and_ha_cub
Junior Artist Username: Bar_and_ha_cub
Post Number: 559 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 02:24 pm: |
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Indiarocks:Constitution of a judicial commission Indian judicial service Rural courts
Judicial commission ok, to have a bird eye on judgements by judges. Indian judicial service enti? IAS,IPS laaga.. edisinattu undhi idea. Sounds more or less like a Executive position than a Judicial position. Rural court? -- How are these different Munsif courts and fast track courts? |
   
Bar_and_ha_cub
Junior Artist Username: Bar_and_ha_cub
Post Number: 558 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 02:20 pm: |
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Indiarocks:Meeku teliyademo thanks to the efforts of JP. National Judicial Commission is on its way. Judges recruitment ki prastutam procedure em ledu, standards levu. But a recruitment procedure in the lines of IAS selection is coming.
JP gaari efforts kosama ee argument.Anyway, Judges recuitment lo standards gurinchi debatable kaani, procedure ledhu ante kastam. Local Judicial officers(Upto District Judge) -- Exams pedathaaru, and then they get promotions. High Court Judges -- They have title of "Justice". Recuruiment two ways : 1) Seniority in the Judicial Services, has been a District Judge/Registrar at Hight Court. 2) From the Bar - a) A quorum selects few names b) Sends to the Consortium in Supreme 3) First Discussion, based on the profile 4) If interested, ask Law Ministry for Budget details and Intelligence Reports 5) Reject - Proceed "Decision" 6) Take the Consent from the candidate 7) Send Orders to Law Ministry 8) Law Ministry fowards the file to "President of India" 9) President Signs the Warrants 10) Then take oath Idhi process kaada ?? |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 8770 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 02:17 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:Reforms -- Cheppu, ento aa reforms.
Constitution of a judicial commission Indian judicial service Rural courts To name a few. The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Bar_and_ha_cub
Junior Artist Username: Bar_and_ha_cub
Post Number: 557 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 02:06 pm: |
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Vjavasi:once investigation is done.....why can't they expedite the trial and if required conduct proceedings on adaily basis....Don't tell me that trial takes years on account of evidence vacations......This country needs reforms everywhere including judiciary.....it's no holy cow
Adhe tammudu cheptondhi, for you vacation of one week, for another party vacation of another month. Vacation is just an example, people ask for time with various reasons, isthe delay antaaru, ivvakapothe Judge has prejudice over me(Because I belong to a community/Party,profession,Race) antaaru Reforms -- Cheppu, ento aa reforms. It is definetly not a holy cow, but the best we have among the three insitutions. Bashing Judiciary is not going to take us anywhere,crying on Judicial Immunity will hardly make any difference. |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 8769 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 01:26 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:This is a very sweeping statement, you have no evidence to argue that having a punitive action on judges will curb fixing the judgements. These are just imaginative and hypothetical arguments, which can be criticized equally. BTW, who decides whether a Judgement is correct or fixed? What kind of reforms are we talking about in Judicial recruiments?
Judiciary motham corrupt anatam entha thappo, judiciary lo asalu em problem ledu anatam kooda anthe thappu. Just look at the ratio of population to the number of courts. Or look that the number of cases pending in each court. Clearly there is a problem. Sad thing is that not the ruling Govt, nor the opposition parties, or any regional parties have done anything so far in this aspect. Cong, BJP, TDP vellandaru rule lo unte judiciary ni vadukovatam, lekapothe ruling Govt peru cheppi daani meeda dummethi poyatam..ide padhati. The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Vjavasi
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Post Number: 8919 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 01:21 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:Natakalu adedhi CBI, manam maatram Judges meedha edustaam "The February 2009 order was reserved after a series of flip-flops by the CBI in the investigation into the Yadavs� assets." A Judgement in these kinds of cases, has very far reaching consequences, it is better to leave the grey area, than create a weapon for some crook to misuse it.Let the future judges decide basing on the circumstances prevailing in that case.
maastaru...akkada order reserve chesinappudu.....judgement kaani further guidelines kaani ivvali kadha......CBI natakaalu adutunte judge chodyam choostunnada?..three years reserve chesi emi telchakunda retire ayyadu ant enti ardham? |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 8768 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 01:19 pm: |
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Rajusk:i think Judiciary process antha saagakonda undali ante..it needs Constitutional reform..not just blaming the judges..Constitutional reform ante 2/3rd majority is needed..there ends the matter
Constitutional reform enduku? The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Indiarocks
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Post Number: 8767 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 01:18 pm: |
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Vjavasi:Recent Radia tape exposes contains talks between different interest groups fixing judgements, including one for reliance.....without punitive action on erring judges, it doesn't matter wether there are three or five people in abench, it may make things little more difficult for fixers....also judicial reforms are reuired to streamline recruitment process in judiciary
Meeku teliyademo thanks to the efforts of JP. National Judicial Commission is on its way. Judges recruitment ki prastutam procedure em ledu, standards levu. But a recruitment procedure in the lines of IAS selection is coming. The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Rajusk
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Post Number: 17490 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 01:15 pm: |
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Indiarocks:I agree with each and every word of this statement. Congi Govt 50yrs, BJP Govt 5yrs undi power lo, 30+ years nundi unnadi politics lo. Both are totally responsible.
i think Judiciary process antha saagakonda undali ante..it needs Constitutional reform..not just blaming the judges..Constitutional reform ante 2/3rd majority is needed..there ends the matter |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 8918 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 01:14 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:Repu nee meedha oka criminal charge padithe, neeku "Alibi" ivvlasina evidence vacation meedha velthe, NO NO NO .. we cannot give you time ani Judge ante appudu ardham avutundhi neeku, why does it take so much time ani?
once investigation is done.....why can't they expedite the trial and if required conduct proceedings on adaily basis....Don't tell me that trial takes years on account of evidence vacations......This country needs reforms everywhere including judiciary.....it's no holy cow |
   
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Post Number: 8766 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
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Vjavasi:Indian judiciary is one of the main reasons for the sorry state of affairs in this country......It's nonsense procedures and delays spanning several years and even decades in serving justice is one of the main reason for unscrupulous elements not taking law seriously....beacuse of inefficiecy in judicial process other institutions like police go for short cuts in law enforcement
I agree with each and every word of this statement. Congi Govt 50yrs, BJP Govt 5yrs undi power lo, 30+ years nundi unnadi politics lo. Both are totally responsible. Why such as sad state of affairs? Ruling parties, and opposition okallani okallu deppukotaniki thappa ee vishayam lo peeking em ledu kabatti. The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Bar_and_ha_cub
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Post Number: 556 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
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Vjavasi:There is provision for impeachment....what about prosecution?....were they prosecuted?....mere loosing their positions wouldn't suffice, they need to be brought to justice if proved wrong
Once impeached, a Judge looses his Judicial Immunity, he can be prosecuted like any other citize onf India, if the Executive have not done so, that is no problem of Judiciary. Vjavasi:Recent Radia tape exposes contains talks between different interest groups fixing judgements, including one for reliance.....without punitive action on erring judges, it doesn't matter wether there are three or five people in abench, it may make things little more difficult for fixers....also judicial reforms are reuired to streamline recruitment process in judiciary
This is a very sweeping statement, you have no evidence to argue that having a punitive action on judges will curb fixing the judgements. These are just imaginative and hypothetical arguments, which can be criticized equally. BTW, who decides whether a Judgement is correct or fixed? What kind of reforms are we talking about in Judicial recruiments? |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 8917 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 01:06 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:It a forum of opinions, not even an article written following any journalistic standards, so alanti article ni base chesukuni argue chestunte adigaa anthe
jouranlist standards? what r they.....they are no news gathering journalists....it's a forum with collection of opinions from subject experts across the globe......Is there any rule that opinions should be expressed only in a particular format |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 8916 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 01:00 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:Justice KGB, if possess disproportionate assets should be bring to the Justice, why did not BJP or any other political party moved an Impeachment motion in the parliament? That probably would not have been the first motion, Started in early 90's when cong wanted to remove Justice Ramaswami, CJ of Punjab & Haryana -- Lost the motion in parliament. We have seen Shamit Mukherjee resign, because of presuure from CJ of Delhi & his colleagues, as soon he was charged with corruption charges. We have recently seen Soumitra Sen resigning for something he did before he was elevated, the whole impeachment motion was run by Communists.
There is provision for impeachment....what about prosecution?....were they prosecuted?....mere loosing their positions wouldn't suffice, they need to be brought to justice if proved wrong
Bar_and_ha_cub:It is funny to see people blame Judges, unlike GOVT in which any matter either has a definitive end either with Concerned minister or the Chief(CM/PM), Judiciary does not end with one Judge or one bench, you have options to approach & appeal atleast a dozen times at different levels infront of different judges and benches. A divisional bench consists of 2-3 Judges, a full bench consists of 3-5 Judges, don't you think those are good enough options.
Recent Radia tape exposes contains talks between different interest groups fixing judgements, including one for reliance.....without punitive action on erring judges, it doesn't matter wether there are three or five people in abench, it may make things little more difficult for fixers....also judicial reforms are reuired to streamline recruitment process in judiciary |
   
Bar_and_ha_cub
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Post Number: 555 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
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Vjavasi:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mulayam-da-case-judge-reti res/904808/0
Natakalu adedhi CBI, manam maatram Judges meedha edustaam "The February 2009 order was reserved after a series of flip-flops by the CBI in the investigation into the Yadavs’ assets." A Judgement in these kinds of cases, has very far reaching consequences, it is better to leave the grey area, than create a weapon for some crook to misuse it.Let the future judges decide basing on the circumstances prevailing in that case. |
   
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Post Number: 8915 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 12:48 pm: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub
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Post Number: 554 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 12:39 pm: |
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Vjavasi:Indian judiciary is one of the main reasons for the sorry state of affairs in this country......It's nonsense procedures and delays spanning several years and even decades in serving justice is one of the main reason for unscrupulous elements not taking law seriously....beacuse of inefficiecy in judicial process other institutions like police go for short cuts in law enforcement
Repu nee meedha oka criminal charge padithe, neeku "Alibi" ivvlasina evidence vacation meedha velthe, NO NO NO .. we cannot give you time ani Judge ante appudu ardham avutundhi neeku, why does it take so much time ani? BTW, the delay in Judgements is primarily because of either party in the case, not because Judge does not have time to perform his duty, although staff is also an issue in Judiciary. |
   
Bar_and_ha_cub
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Post Number: 553 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 12:33 pm: |
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Vjavasi:How does it matter here
It a forum of opinions, not even an article written following any journalistic standards, so alanti article ni base chesukuni argue chestunte adigaa anthe |
   
Bar_and_ha_cub
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Post Number: 552 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 12:29 pm: |
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Vjavasi:that's exactly the gist of her argument......If law is equal then mechanisms to enforce them should treat everybody same....Then why there is no equivalent of ACB in judiciary.....Why no investigation on SC chief justice Balakrishnanan inspite of serious allegations of holding dis-proportionate assets?....Indian Judiciary is no different from other corrupt institutions in this country, sad part is it's accountable to none.....atleast politicians are accountable to people at some level
Brother -- You challenging very far reaching provisions in the Constitution of India. Justice KGB, if possess disproportionate assets should be bring to the Justice, why did not BJP or any other political party moved an Impeachment motion in the parliament? That probably would not have been the first motion, Started in early 90's when cong wanted to remove Justice Ramaswami, CJ of Punjab & Haryana -- Lost the motion in parliament. We have seen Shamit Mukherjee resign, because of presuure from CJ of Delhi & his colleagues, as soon he was charged with corruption charges. We have recently seen Soumitra Sen resigning for something he did before he was elevated, the whole impeachment motion was run by Communists. It is funny to see people blame Judges, unlike GOVT in which any matter either has a definitive end either with Concerned minister or the Chief(CM/PM), Judiciary does not end with one Judge or one bench, you have options to approach & appeal atleast a dozen times at different levels infront of different judges and benches. A divisional bench consists of 2-3 Judges, a full bench consists of 3-5 Judges, don't you think those are good enough options. Anyway, let us discuss about the Judicial immunity in a moment, before we go there can you answer a simple question that I have -- Why is a decorated police officer, while on duty, is given a right to carry weapon? |
   
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Post Number: 8914 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
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monne oka judge...mulayam singh corruption meedha 2009 nundi judgement reserve chesi ivvakunda ne retire ayyadu |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 8913 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
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Bar_and_ha_cub:BTW, Vijayvaani, a complete Opinions forum eppati nunchi follow avutunnav
How does it matter here |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 8912 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
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Indian judiciary is one of the main reasons for the sorry state of affairs in this country......It's nonsense procedures and delays spanning several years and even decades in serving justice is one of the main reason for unscrupulous elements not taking law seriously....beacuse of inefficiecy in judicial process other institutions like police go for short cuts in law enforcement |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 8911 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 11:54 am: |
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Bar_and_ha_cub:BTW, applicability of law is no different to any individual let it be President of India or a begger on my street. It is the provisions that differ, solely based on the responsibility borne by certain sections/individuals of the society. A police officer enforces the Law & Order, a Judge delivers Judgements, so they are provided with certain immunities by Constitution of India to protect them from undue attacks from unhappy parties.
that's exactly the gist of her argument......If law is equal then mechanisms to enforce them should treat everybody same....Then why there is no equivalent of ACB in judiciary.....Why no investigation on SC chief justice Balakrishnanan inspite of serious allegations of holding dis-proportionate assets?....Indian Judiciary is no different from other corrupt institutions in this country, sad part is it's accountable to none.....atleast politicians are accountable to people at some level |
   
Bar_and_ha_cub
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Post Number: 551 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 11:16 am: |
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Vjavasi:enti edhava pana...nuvvu decide chesesthava edhi edhava pano....corrupt judges ni corrupt anaka emanali
Vedhava pani kaadu ani nuvvu decide chesaava?? BTW, Vijayvaani, a complete Opinions forum eppati nunchi follow avutunnav If, as the judges are claiming, the involvement (not possible involvement but certain involvement) of senior police officials has failed to instill confidence among the victims (read Muslims) and the general public, then the writer must respectfully point out to the judges that when they state that the law which is applicable to the ordinary citizen must be made applicable to the police, then the ‘ordinary citizen’ rule and the indices by which the judiciary judges the police force must be equally applicable to judges too. Asalu ee statement okati chaalu mana writer gaariki, applicability of law meedha entha understanding undho ardham kaavataniki, comic fellow BTW, applicability of law is no different to any individual let it be President of India or a begger on my street. It is the provisions that differ, solely based on the responsibility borne by certain sections/individuals of the society. A police officer enforces the Law & Order, a Judge delivers Judgements, so they are provided with certain immunities by Constitution of India to protect them from undue attacks from unhappy parties. That does not mean that a Judge, if proven guilty of murder, will not be sent to Jail or hanged to death. Parama edupu gottu article laaga undhi, vellaki kavalsina Judgement raakapothe Judges corrupt aneyyatam, BTW.. what are the apparent kickbacks that these judges for delivering this judgement? |
   
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Post Number: 8756 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 184.155.119.199
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Vjavasi:
Munde cheppanu, judges corrupt undachu, but I have faith in our judiciary. Topic pakka daari kaadu, prati saari CBI controlled by center, judiciary corrupt anevallu fix cheyataniki em peekaru ani. The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Post Number: 8899 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2012 - 01:53 pm: |
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Indiarocks: CBI mana central Govt chetilo keelu bomma, Guj police matram totally independent of Modi Govt...LOL...
SIT vesi mari investigation cheyinchaadu ga inko corrupt judge ....em peekaru?
Indiarocks: Judges corrupt, CBI influenced by Govt...ide matalu mee BJP valla nundi chala yrs ga choostunnamu. Power lo unnappudu em peekaru to fix it?
Judge corruption gurinchi discuss cheyyakunda topic enduku divert chestunnavu....neeku corrupt politician ante entha asahyamo...oka corrupt judge meedha daanikante million times choopinchaali....nuvvu judiciary edho pedda goppadhi annatu matladutunnav...why this partiality?....judges suit,boot esukoni english lo judgements istaaru ana? |
   
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Post Number: 8897 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
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Indiarocks
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Post Number: 8755 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 184.155.119.199
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Vjavasi:CBI amanna topu....central govt chethilo keelu bomma ani neeku teliyadha....
CBI mana central Govt chetilo keelu bomma, Guj police matram totally independent of Modi Govt...LOL... Vjavasi:enti edhava pana...nuvvu decide chesesthava edhi edhava pano....corrupt judges ni corrupt anaka emanali
Judges corrupt, CBI influenced by Govt...ide matalu mee BJP valla nundi chala yrs ga choostunnamu. Power lo unnappudu em peekaru to fix it? The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Post Number: 8880 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2012 - 01:24 am: |
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Indiarocks: Involved or not. CBI tho investigate cheyisthe problem enti, state Govt, or Police officer thappu lenappudu?
CBI amanna topu....central govt chethilo keelu bomma ani neeku teliyadha.... Indiarocks:Ekkado evado judge corrupt ani, manam chesina vedhava pani coverup kosam motham judiciary ne corrupt aneyatam, ee thread, malli pakka thread.
enti edhava pana...nuvvu decide chesesthava edhi edhava pano....corrupt judges ni corrupt anaka emanali |
   
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Post Number: 8746 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
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Inka migilindi kasab gaadu okkade. Vaadu kooda Shanti Bushan statement, leda inkedo example choopinchi Indian judges corrupt nannu international court ki transfer cheyandi ani aduguthadu. Desam ki independence vachinappati nundi rule chesina oka party, 30yrs nundi opposition gaa undi desa bhaktulam ani cheppukune inkoka party. Veellaki rule lo undi judiciary ni reform cheyali anna thought mathram raledu. Judiciary ni vaduku dobbatam thappa.
 The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Post Number: 8745 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
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Vjavasi:involved ani nuvvu decide chesesava
Involved or not. CBI tho investigate cheyisthe problem enti, state Govt, or Police officer thappu lenappudu? Guj Govt first tried to cover up the case as a missing case. Finally they had to accept in court that the encounter was fake. Ee mathram chalu involved or not cheppataniki. Tarun Chatterjee kakapothe inkodu. Guj Govt has all the freedom to ask for a bench. Ekkado evado judge corrupt ani, manam chesina vedhava pani coverup kosam motham judiciary ne corrupt aneyatam, ee thread, malli pakka thread. The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Post Number: 538 Registered: 09-2011 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 03:12 pm: |
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Judicial Immunity teseyyali ani edupugottu article laaga undhi, motham chadava ledhu -- Friday mood lo unna andtha pedda article sadavalenu Swaary, disco lo interest ledhu, bump it maybe sunday evening, opinioons and arguments share chesukundaam |
   
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Post Number: 8879 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
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Indiarocks:The court had enough reasons to believe that when top officials, and the Home minister are involved investigation cannot be transparent. Danni corruption antara?
involved ani nuvvu decide chesesava
Indiarocks: Aina mundu fake encounter kaadu ani taruvatha high court lo sorry chepparu, aina Gujarat Govt ni nammala? Nammakapothe adi judges corruption aa? Inthakante comedy article ee madhya lo choodaledu.
Judge Tarun chatterjee gurinchi emi vundho malla chaduvu article lo |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 8744 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
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Comedy article. The court had enough reasons to believe that when top officials, and the Home minister are involved investigation cannot be transparent. Danni corruption antara? Aina mundu fake encounter kaadu ani taruvatha high court lo sorry chepparu, aina Gujarat Govt ni nammala? Nammakapothe adi judges corruption aa? Inthakante comedy article ee madhya lo choodaledu. The superior man understands what is right. The inferior man understands what will sell. The predicament of politics is to make the right thing saleable. What is JP doing for Kukatpally?
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Vjavasi:
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Post Number: 8874 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114
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