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Cocanada
Side Hero Username: Cocanada
Post Number: 2175 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:20 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:Coke nuvvu kooda uncle va?
oooy....nenu young age lo start chesanu ante.....nannu uncle anaku.....nenu chaala young energetic dynamic youth of michigan ni . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2384 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:19 pm: |     |
Rebel:mari evening em anukunnav
affairs antey love affairs kadu Current Affairs ani.. Enti office lo busy na? No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Rebel
Junior Artist Username: Rebel
Post Number: 813 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 151.151.21.104
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:18 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:nenu kooda morning idhey anukonna..
mari evening em anukunnav |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2383 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:18 pm: |     |
Cocanada:edo light gaa. nenu religion, philosophy chadivi chadivi alochinchi alochinchi...ee stage ki ochaanu
Coke nuvvu kooda uncle va? No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2382 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:16 pm: |     |
Sagar:sad state of affairs in colleges antey nenu.. inkoti anukunna
nenu kooda morning idhey anukonna.. No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Cocanada
Side Hero Username: Cocanada
Post Number: 2172 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:14 pm: |     |
Sagar:affairs in colleges
alaativi archives lo unduntaayi . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Cocanada
Side Hero Username: Cocanada
Post Number: 2171 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:13 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:Eti neeku a lagnam lu,
edo light gaa. nenu religion, philosophy chadivi chadivi alochinchi alochinchi...ee stage ki ochaanu
Jodhaa:PK style lo chaduvukonna
nuvvu pedda kashtpadakundaa icon esanu ga pakkane . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Sagar
Comedian Username: Sagar
Post Number: 1926 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 207.78.116.21
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:12 pm: |     |
sad state of affairs in colleges antey nenu.. inkoti anukunna..  |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 556 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:05 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:check your mail .
Reply sent |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2380 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:04 pm: |     |
Cocanada:aaaapppey......edupapppeeyy
PK style lo chaduvukonna No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2379 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:03 pm: |     |
Rajusk:Manaki intha blessing anukonta Raju garu..
sorry type Blessing ledu anukonta Raju garu.. No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2378 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:02 pm: |     |
Cocanada:Lagnam
Eti neeku a lagnam lu,vignam lu baga thelusa? No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2377 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:02 pm: |     |
Rajusk:Jupiter in Lagna gives protection from lot of evils...it is like a blessing from the Jagat Guru Lord Shiva himself...you are blessed to have that combination..
orni intha story vunda? ayethe nenu dhenni choosi edhi anukonnano..Manaki intha blessing anukonta Raju garu.. check your mail . No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Cocanada
Side Hero Username: Cocanada
Post Number: 2170 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:01 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:
aaaapppey......edupapppeeyy  :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Cocanada
Side Hero Username: Cocanada
Post Number: 2169 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:00 pm: |     |
Dhaarkaar:sare..pothaaaa..thoosthave...
good one :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2376 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:00 pm: |     |
Cocanada:.......you will not have biiiig problems.
 No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Dhaarkaar
Junior Artist Username: Dhaarkaar
Post Number: 349 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 198.204.133.208
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:59 pm: |     |
sare..pothaaaa..thoosthave... |
   
Cocanada
Side Hero Username: Cocanada
Post Number: 2167 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:58 pm: |     |
Dhaarkaar:disc dheni meedha...naa thoughts and feelings emmina avasaramaaa..? cheppandi..
 :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Dhaarkaar
Junior Artist Username: Dhaarkaar
Post Number: 347 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 198.204.133.208
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:56 pm: |     |
disc dheni meedha...naa thoughts and feelings emmina avasaramaaa..? cheppandi.. |
   
Cocanada
Side Hero Username: Cocanada
Post Number: 2166 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:55 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:Yeah anukonta..Good antey emi avudhi
on the whole.......you will not have biiiig problems. Survival problem undadu at any point . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 555 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:55 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:Yeah anukonta..Good antey emi avudhi..
Jupiter in Lagna gives protection from lot of evils...it is like a blessing from the Jagat Guru Lord Shiva himself...you are blessed to have that combination.. |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2375 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:52 pm: |     |
Cocanada:Lagnam lo gurudaaa.......good for you. Naku kuda same.
Yeah anukonta..Good antey emi avudhi.. No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 554 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:49 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:A link lo itchina picture laantidhi na daggara vundi anukonta..Naaku 1 place lo Guruvu vuntadhi..
its your personal choice..whether you want to share personal information with someone completely unknown.. but if you want..i can probably look at your chart...based on your area of concern..and may provide hints...if you are interested ...send your birth details like DOB/POB/TOB to singarajusk at hotmail dot com |
   
Cocanada
Side Hero Username: Cocanada
Post Number: 2160 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:47 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:.Naaku 1 place lo Guruvu vuntadhi..
Lagnam lo gurudaaa.......good for you. Naku kuda same. Lagnam lo gurudu  :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2374 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:44 pm: |     |
Rajusk:
A link lo itchina picture laantidhi na daggara vundi anukonta..Naaku 1 place lo Guruvu vuntadhi.. No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 553 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:38 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:
Sorry my mistake.. http://www.srigaruda.com/ |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2373 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:33 pm: |     |
Rajusk:Visti Larsen --> www.srigaruda.org
Idhi open avvatam ledhu? No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 551 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:31 pm: |     |
Rajusk:
Does anyone have ..Nagumomu kanaleni...sung by Mr.yesudas from the movie Alludugaru in MP3 format.. |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 549 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:28 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:Sure..entha vuntundhi cosulting amount?
check their websites...you should find the information there |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2372 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:26 pm: |     |
Rajusk:My bet would be...try mr.Visti...if you are not able to reach him..then let me know..I can help out...
Sure..entha vuntundhi cosulting amount? No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Cocanada
Side Hero Username: Cocanada
Post Number: 2156 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:09 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:
 :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 547 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:08 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:So meeru itchina vallalo evaru best? Online contact cheyyala?
Evaru best ani emi cheppalemu... Mr Visti Larsen is a student of Mr.Sanjay Rath. But Mr. Rath may be expensive and inaccessible also. BTW, Mr.Larsen lives and teaches Astrology in Denmark. I used to be on yahoo groups and so I have personal contact and they know me...not sure how accessible they are to the commercial astro seekers... My bet would be...try mr.Visti...if you are not able to reach him..then let me know..I can help out... Mr.K.N.Rao..I have no clue...whether he does consultation for money...you may have to go in person... |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2371 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:05 pm: |     |
Cocanada:Nenu cheppindi...Reflexologist address....naadi kaadu
 No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Cocanada
Side Hero Username: Cocanada
Post Number: 2155 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:04 pm: |     |
Rajusk:so Saibaba gudi operate chese Rajesh gaani..Rajaji kaani telusa meeku?
Nenu cheppindi...Reflexologist address....naadi kaadu . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2370 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:04 pm: |     |
Rajusk:or may be I can try to help out with my limited knowledge...I am not an expert ...but I have been a student for the last 6 years...
So meeru itchina vallalo evaru best? Online contact cheyyala? No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 546 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 04:01 pm: |     |
Cocanada: Saibaba gudi undi kada.....near Hilcroft...daani opposite
so Saibaba gudi operate chese Rajesh gaani..Rajaji kaani telusa meeku? nenu Sunset Shadows lo unde vaadini..WestHeimer and South Gessner |
   
Cocanada
Side Hero Username: Cocanada
Post Number: 2152 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:59 pm: |     |
Rajusk:ekkada undevaaru?
Saibaba gudi undi kada.....near Hilcroft...daani opposite . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 545 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:58 pm: |     |
Cocanada:Nenu houston lo undetappudu.
Houston lo eppudu ..ekkada undevaaru? Nenu unnanu Houston lo between Aug 2002 to Jan 2005... |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 544 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:57 pm: |     |
Yahoo:Adedo tool bayatiki vasthe... Xray,ECG,Angiogram all diagnostic test will be minimised.good information.
XRAY,ECG are all diagnostic tools.. This tool will tell you that a problem is coming...it is prognostic ...it identifies weak areas in your body..based on the kundalini chakras in your body...and their energy levels...which effect the different body parts..he wrote a book also..i think i have a copy of it here at home..ivvala search chestanu... |
   
Cocanada
Side Hero Username: Cocanada
Post Number: 2151 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:57 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:Yeah..I am looking for Personal consultation. Inperson vundala valla daggariki velleytappudu ??
Nenu houston lo undetappudu...oka refexologist deggira ki velle vaaadini....ayana kuda...ari kaalu lo nerve endings ni chusi...cheppestaaru.....body lo ekkada problems unnayi ani. Edo device pedatadu..arikaalu meeda..light elugutundi......its good. The technique is called Sujok. You can google it. . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 543 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:55 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:Yeah..I am looking for Personal consultation. Inperson vundala valla daggariki velleytappudu ??
you need not go in person... some of the people that I can recommend are: Shri Sanjay Rath --> www.srath.com Visti Larsen --> www.srigaruda.org K.N.Rao --> www.journalofastrology.com (not sure about online services from this grand old sire of Astrology).... you can go to the above... or may be I can try to help out with my limited knowledge...I am not an expert ...but I have been a student for the last 6 years... |
   
Yahoo
Junior Artist Username: Yahoo
Post Number: 151 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 130.236.188.169
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:55 pm: |     |
Rajusk:even the AP Police is using his services now.... he is trying to patent his tool...
Adedo tool bayatiki vasthe... Xray,ECG,Angiogram all diagnostic test will be minimised.good information. |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2369 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:52 pm: |     |
Rajusk:are you looking for personal consultation or out of curiosity... if it is personal consultation..only 2 of the 4 astrologers charge money and do personal consultations...the other 2 are not accessible to general public through payment methods...i have personal contacts with them...and some times whether they help out or not is discretionary..based on their time availability...let me know.. about the NGRI scientist..when I call home ...the next time..I will get their contact details...
Yeah..I am looking for Personal consultation. Inperson vundala valla daggariki velleytappudu ?? No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 541 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:51 pm: |     |
Yahoo:He shoould come outside and get patent rights for his diagnostic skills. Naku Appendicytis vachhi more than 24 hours unna ..sarigga diagnose cheyalekpoyaaru..And thats one of the largest corporate hosipital with latest equipments.
even the AP Police is using his services now.... ayana bullet isthe...adi ee gun lo nunchi vachindo cheppa galadu with his device.. he is trying to patent his tool... |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 540 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:49 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:Good..if u dont mind valla information ivvandi & Abt the scientist info also..
are you looking for personal consultation or out of curiosity... if it is personal consultation..only 2 of the 4 astrologers charge money and do personal consultations...the other 2 are not accessible to general public through payment methods...i have personal contacts with them...and some times whether they help out or not is discretionary..based on their time availability...let me know.. about the NGRI scientist..when I call home ...the next time..I will get their contact details... |
   
Basky_indya
Side Hero Username: Basky_indya
Post Number: 2566 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 144.226.230.37
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:45 pm: |     |
maaaa friend valla daddy ngri. info telusokovacchu all india Utter Flop Hero Fans UUUUth President |
   
Yahoo
Junior Artist Username: Yahoo
Post Number: 149 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 130.236.188.169
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:45 pm: |     |
Rajusk:if you leave a saliva sample with them...it is good for 2 years...and no matter wherever you are in the globe..they can still tell you if you have any body ailment coming your way...basically if there is a depleting energy in a body part
He shoould come outside and get patent rights for his diagnostic skills. Naku Appendicytis vachhi more than 24 hours unna ..sarigga diagnose cheyalekpoyaaru..And thats one of the largest corporate hosipital with latest equipments. |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2367 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:44 pm: |     |
Rajusk:he is a retired scientist from NGRI...
Rajusk:kondaru unnaru.
Good..if u dont mind valla information ivvandi & Abt the scientist info also.. No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Basky_indya
Side Hero Username: Basky_indya
Post Number: 2565 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 144.226.230.37
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:42 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:
firefox images disabled eeeda, enable chesi choosthale. tittavo, kindal chesavo, mecchukunnavo all india Utter Flop Hero Fans UUUUth President |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 538 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:41 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:la mee drushtilo manchi astrologer evaru ayena vunnara?
kondaru unnaru. |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 537 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:40 pm: |     |
Cocanada: OK. My proof has nothing to do with body's electric field...mine is just theoritical
oh ok...even I was surprised...actually his grand daughter and my brother's daughter are classmates..and some how we came to know about him..he is a retired scientist from NGRI... when he examined my brother he told him that he has liver problem...my brother never had issues..but after this person's comment..he went and got examined his liver..and the result is yes...he was having issues around that time.. he examined me and told me that I am having a problem with my shoulder..mind you..I did not tell him anything...he was right..I played too much cricket and I know my right shoulder is weak...but he could just find out from the device...amazing..I felt.. if you leave a saliva sample with them...it is good for 2 years...and no matter wherever you are in the globe..they can still tell you if you have any body ailment coming your way...basically if there is a depleting energy in a body part |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2366 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:40 pm: |     |
Rajusk:I would like to know the level of understanding of the Astrologer...and then decide whether he can make a good prediction...level of understanding ..meaning..the kind of books he/she referred...their understanding of the basics etc..
Ala mee drushtilo manchi astrologer evaru ayena vunnara? No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2365 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:38 pm: |     |
Basky_indya:jodha, nuvvu rebel colleagues aaa. aha oho,
 No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 2364 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:37 pm: |     |
Basky_indya:jodha college topics anna, college girls topics anna Kummethadi
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Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 536 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:35 pm: |     |
Cocanada:Correct me if I am wrong. If you already made the decision that astrology is 100% correct science, and your practical experience says the other way, we tend to blame it on the astrologer. So..it all depends on faith. Right?
First thing ...to begin with... I would like to know the level of understanding of the Astrologer...and then decide whether he can make a good prediction...level of understanding ..meaning..the kind of books he/she referred...their understanding of the basics etc.. Again...some astrologers give good predictions based on their Vaksuddhi(good karma from past)..and without much backing of the science of astrology...that is also possible ...but rare to see... |
   
Cocanada
Side Hero Username: Cocanada
Post Number: 2149 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:34 pm: |     |
Rajusk:
OK. My proof has nothing to do with body's electric field...mine is just theoritical . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Rajusk
Junior Artist Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 535 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:32 pm: |     |
Cocanada: Navvanu ante..nenu okati cheptaanu...mathematical induction use chesi...karma ni prove cheyachu
there is one person in Hyderabad...who now measures your negative energy...he himself has created a device to measure it.. just based on your saliva sample...they can tell you which part of the body is weak and is likely to be affected very soon...because the energy in that body part is too negative.... |
   
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Post Number: 2564 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 144.226.230.37
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jodha, nuvvu rebel colleagues aaa. aha oho, all india Utter Flop Hero Fans UUUUth President |
   
Basky_indya
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Post Number: 2563 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 144.226.230.37
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jodha college topics anna, college girls topics anna Kummethadi all india Utter Flop Hero Fans UUUUth President |
   
Jodhaa
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Post Number: 2362 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
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Cocanada:we will talk about these things later
sure No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Jodhaa
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Post Number: 2361 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
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Rajusk:colloquial language lo ...yes
oh ic.. No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 2144 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
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Jodhaa:Naa moham nenu buzy enti
Anyway...I wanted to talk about faith, karma, re-birth, destiny Navvanu ante..nenu okati cheptaanu...mathematical induction use chesi...karma ni prove cheyachu . Nuvvu astrology meeda disco continue cheyyi.....we will talk about these things later . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 534 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:18 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:hmm..adhey na Q..what are there charts?? Jathaka chakralu antaaru avena?
colloquial language lo ...yes |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 2142 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
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Rajusk:
Correct me if I am wrong. If you already made the decision that astrology is 100% correct science, and your practical experience says the other way, we tend to blame it on the astrologer. So..it all depends on faith. Right? . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Jodhaa
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Post Number: 2360 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
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Cocanada:ilaa biji gaa unnappudu matlade topic kaadu le...
Naa moham nenu buzy enti..Rebel ki heart attack vasthadhi nenu buzy antey...4weeks nunchi just office ki vachi pothunna anthey...Literally anthey..chinna work kooda ledhu.. Ivvala lead pilichi work itchaadu... No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Jodhaa
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Post Number: 2359 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:14 pm: |     |
Rajusk:Unfortunately most Astrologers that you go to in India or wherever look at only 2 charts...
hmm..adhey na Q..what are there charts?? Jathaka chakralu antaaru avena? No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 2140 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
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Jodhaa:Sorry coke lead daggariki vella ....
hmmm...ok ilaa biji gaa unnappudu matlade topic kaadu le...one fine saturday early morning lechi...shower, fresh air lo walk taravata.....coffee tagutu...matladukovali
. :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 2139 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
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Rajusk:aa tharuvatha sound ledu..endukabba?
aite baaga biji anna ayyundaali leka nenu adigina koschen ki  :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Jodhaa
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Post Number: 2358 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
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Cocanada:enti nijangaa deeeeep thinking lo ki velipoyava....edo okati reply ivvu....kaneesam
Sorry coke lead daggariki vella .... No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Jodhaa
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Post Number: 2357 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
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Rebel:
Yenkaamma enduku navvu thunnav.. No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Jodhaa
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Post Number: 2356 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
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Cocanada:If you feel like asking "WHY", you are expecting the universe to have a systematic way of doing things..and there should be reason for everything. Are you?
Yes... No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Jodhaa
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Post Number: 2355 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
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Rajusk:Em charts ani meeru adigaru..nenu postanu...
Sorry andi...lead pilichi work itchaadu.. Work leka 4 weeks ayyendhi..so budhi ga velli vini vasthunna No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 532 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
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Jodhaa:Em charts avi?
Em charts ani meeru adigaru..nenu postanu... aa tharuvatha sound ledu..endukabba? |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 2131 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
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Jodhaa:Yeah why..
If you feel like asking "WHY", you are expecting the universe to have a systematic way of doing things..and there should be reason for everything. Are you? . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Rebel
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Post Number: 808 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 151.151.73.164
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Jodhaa:Thalaraatha ni maarchatam veelupaduthundha? Purvajanma lo manam chesina papalu ela thelusthaye?
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Cocanada
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Post Number: 2130 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
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Jodhaa:
. enti nijangaa deeeeep thinking lo ki velipoyava....edo okati reply ivvu....kaneesam tala aadinchu . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Jodhaa
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Post Number: 2354 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
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Cocanada:But by birth, some people have limitations, mental or physical. So...if you believe that the universe is operating in a systematic manner, the next question we should ask is WHY there is disparity by birth?
Yeah why.. No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 2126 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
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Jodhaa:Good. Neeku thelisindhi cheppu nenu thelusukonta coke.
OK. Forget about re-birth for a min. Lets discuss a single life scenario. Why we should believe in Karma anedi analyze cheddam. If every new born baby is born with a clean slate AND with equal opportunities ahead. But by birth, some people have limitations, mental or physical. So...if you believe that the universe is operating in a systematic manner, the next question we should ask is WHY there is disparity by birth? . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 524 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 02:34 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:Em charts avi?
Unfortunately most Astrologers that you go to in India or wherever look at only 2 charts...the classic janam patri or whatever you call it..has only 2 charts...but there are 16 primary chart...which means another 14....each of those are focussed at a certain area of life...one tells about your profession...the other your vehicles/vehicular comfort...one about your luxuries/houses..one about children and so on... depending on the question asked...the astrolger has to refer that particular chart along with the 2 basic ones to arrive at a conclusion...but most of the time you will see that the astrologers jump to conclusion on the basis of just two charts |
   
Jodhaa
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Post Number: 2353 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
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Cocanada:Nenu ilaati doubts deggira terminal end ki ochestaanu.
Good. Neeku thelisindhi cheppu nenu thelusukonta coke. No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Jodhaa
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Post Number: 2352 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
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Rajusk:If you have done some good deeds..there are some charts which show that you have some luck with you...that comes from good deeds from previous births...
Em charts avi? No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 2124 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
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Iamim:Yeah yeah.. sounds like some new age marketing
hallo sir......I am not marketing anyone here I dont believe in Faith either PLease dont assume anything... I am trying to say how silly the idea of Faith is because......faith can explain everything in one line. . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 521 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
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Yahoo:Enthamandi Chilaka josyam nammuthaaru?Alaage Koya dora jaathakam...
These are completely shooting in the dark ...no base for their predictions |
   
Yahoo
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Post Number: 148 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 130.236.188.169
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Enthamandi Chilaka josyam nammuthaaru?Alaage Koya dora jaathakam... |
   
Iamim
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Post Number: 376 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 221.134.209.236
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Gurujis tappakunda talawrata marustharu.. manakunnadantha samarpinchukoni roadla meeda padatham... |
   
Iamim
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Post Number: 375 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 221.134.209.236
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quote:Many people propose one solution here. FAITH. Believe in god and your guru. Guru can change your tala raata antaaru.
Yeah yeah.. sounds like some new age marketing... |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 2122 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 02:12 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:Thalaraatha ni maarchatam veelupaduthundha? Purvajanma lo manam chesina papalu ela thelusthaye?
Good question. Nee questions lo chala depth undi. Nenu ilaati doubts deggira terminal end ki ochestaanu. Many people propose one solution here. FAITH. Believe in god and your guru. Guru can change your tala raata antaaru. to be continued... . :: Democratics is freedom to do what I say - Lil Bush :: |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 517 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 02:10 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:alaa kadu..But just want to know how many people believe in this Astrology. Naaku eppdu Karma Sidhantham meedha chala doubts vuntaye. Sai Baba Paarayanam lo chebuthaaru,manam chesina panulu purvajanma lo ippudu effect vuntundhi ani.Adhi thalaraatha ani.. Thalaraatha ni maarchatam veelupaduthundha? Purvajanma lo manam chesina papalu ela thelusthaye?
There is some Karma that you carry from previous births...there is some you can override..by doing good deeds...and there is some free will that God has given you in this life...a combination of all this is total Karma...sorry naaku vaati Sanskrit equivalents gurthu ravatledu...i think they are Sanchita Karma, Prarabda karma and something else.. Poorva janmala lo papalu...i am not sure who we can quantify this one... If you have done some good deeds..there are some charts which show that you have some luck with you...that comes from good deeds from previous births... |
   
Iamim
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Post Number: 374 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 221.134.209.236
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OK there are some remedies etc etc.. so I do Japam in place of them.. but I may be wrong.. there are many mysteries and miracles to understand... |
   
Jodhaa
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Post Number: 2350 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
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Rajusk:namme valladi emaina list thayaru chesi publish chesthunnara endi..
alaa kadu..But just want to know how many people believe in this Astrology. Naaku eppdu Karma Sidhantham meedha chala doubts vuntaye. Sai Baba Paarayanam lo chebuthaaru,manam chesina panulu purvajanma lo ippudu effect vuntundhi ani.Adhi thalaraatha ani.. Thalaraatha ni maarchatam veelupaduthundha? Purvajanma lo manam chesina papalu ela thelusthaye? No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 515 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
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Iamim:AIDS unte chastharu.. Doctor cheppina cheppaka poina...
AIDS vache probability undi ani cheppede Astrology..so tagina jagarthalu teesukondi ani chepthundi...I think people expect too much from Astrologers and get disappointed..and blame Astrology in turn |
   
Iamim
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Post Number: 373 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 221.134.209.236
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quote:So meeru kooda Astrology ni nammuthaara?
Nammuthara ante.. Nammutha.. but I dont depend on it.. I depend on my fate and Gayathri.. ela avvalo alage authundi.. AIDS unte chastharu.. Doctor cheppina cheppaka poina... |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 513 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 01:56 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:So meeru kooda Astrology ni nammuthaara?
namme valladi emaina list thayaru chesi publish chesthunnara endi.. |
   
Jodhaa
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Post Number: 2348 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 01:55 pm: |     |
Iamim:If a doctor is bad we cannot blame medical field...
So meeru kooda Astrology ni nammuthaara? No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Nanigadu
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Post Number: 281 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 204.92.92.4
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Iamim:If a doctor is bad we cannot blame medical field...
well said babai, i agree with u |
   
Iamim
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Post Number: 372 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 221.134.209.236
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quote:hmm nenu oka time lo baga nammey vadinandi ee jyothiskalu etc, kani naku okayana naa life lo oka mukhyamaina vishayam assalu jaragadu kaka jaragadu ani selaviccharu, kani adi jarigindi, aa tharvatha nenu anthaga nammanu veetini,
If a doctor is bad we cannot blame medical field... |
   
Jodhaa
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Post Number: 2346 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
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Yahoo:Sheer dedication , interest and time is criteria for any art to learn and expertise. sometimes I also..Life is too short emo
 No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Yahoo
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Post Number: 147 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 130.236.188.169
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Forgot to give the link in my previos post.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_eQwl12F1Y&feature=related |
   
Yahoo
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Post Number: 146 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 130.236.188.169
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 01:42 pm: |     |
Ghantasaala gaaru is refused to get admission in his prilimary test. Bala subramanyam also never learnt any classical music during his childhood. Sheer dedication , interest and time is criteria for any art to learn and expertise. sometimes I also..Life is too short emo comedy ga same ide cheppinchaadu ..Jandhyaala gaaru srilakhmi character tho.. 2.40 secs to 2 50 sec. |
   
Rajusk
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Post Number: 511 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 01:42 pm: |     |
Jodhaa:Astrology& Karma Sidhantham okatey na?
Okatey kaadu...they are inter related ...I can say that much |