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     Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 6272 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
Is this professor James Tully, I have heard some of speeches few years back. If he is the same person, there were a few articles by him on nonvoilent resistance movements, pretty good reads the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10675 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Cool ga chudandi - Much of the same stuff we have been discussing for years now - except he has given definite terminology to it and in his own terms linearised it - I showed it to my son and he is looking forward to read the book too  Watch the lecture, the comments by the professors (part 2) and then the Q&A. And I think you will like the discussion with Tully aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 6269 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
pakkana oka smiley etta kadha.. :p the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Blackmamba Side Hero Username: Blackmamba Post Number: 7550 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 68.200.78.90 Rating: N/A |
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| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 6266 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
naaku endhuko tension ga undhi video choodalante ... i have been avoiding these kind of threads for a long time now. this must be how Frodo felt with the ring in his possesion  the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10673 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Personally , I agree a 100% and have said so many times too but there are people who believe Guru is a necessary intermediary - vallaki mana opinion egoistic anipistundi - to each their own Mana dari manam follow avvatame
Original lecture chusara and watch the conversation with Mark Tully I posted too...Gurus and BJP govt commitment to culture gurinchi ayina experience/opinion kuda clear ga chepparu aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Chillarodu Comedian Username: Chillarodu Post Number: 1252 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 64.130.228.170 Rating: N/A |
test A diamond with a flaw is better than a common stone that is perfect. | ||
| Rajusk Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 16246 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11 Rating: N/A |
thanks for all the links..mana identity gurinchi manam telusukontene..manam pillalaki sarigga seppagaligedi..ani naa strong feeling | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8662 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.103 Rating: N/A |
welcome bro......book meedha website http://beingdifferentbook.com/ | ||
| Diviseema Side Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 8007 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 115.184.103.182 Rating: N/A |
ee thread lo malhotra garu cheppindhi andharu super annaru. andhulo oka point konchem natuga nen chepthe thittaru. Hinduism lo there is no one between God and Ourself. we can have direct access to him with our good deeds or yoga. | ||
| Rajusk Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 16245 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11 Rating: N/A |
thanks Vjavasi Bro for this link.. ippudu only thinking..whether i should buy the Kindle version.and read it myself..or buy the Print version.. sinappudu eppudo oka statemenet sadivanu..manchi books ekkadaina dorikithe..buy them..if you don't read it..someone else in your house will read it.. adi already in action choosanu ee madhyane.. decision edaina..decided to buy both of his books.. veelaithe oka 15 miles drive sesukoni elli vuncul kaal mokutha for sure..books sadivina tharuvatha..naaku driving distance lone untadu kabatti.. already east nunchi bandi west ki vachi..ikkada cheyyalsinavi anni chesi..malli east ki thippadu bandi..so that increases his credibility..evadu ..kashayam dharinchi ivi sebithe..evvadu nammetodu kaadu kabatti.. thanks for the link honestly think..all DBers should hear him out and if possible read the book itself..and spread the word around..in your Facebook..LinkedIn or wherever..that is the least we can do.. | ||
| Yodha Side Hero Username: Yodha Post Number: 2585 Registered: 08-2011 Posted From: 184.154.49.106 Rating: N/A |
Avesam = Agitation Akrosam = revile | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10672 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.147.79.175 Rating: N/A |
Oohlala, So here's another line to think on if your aim is to identify non-translatables to be introduced into English. Human nature and emotions are universal - every language has a way to describe them even if the words do not correspond 1-1. And bringing in words for the same adds redundancy and will not fly. You have to find things that are foreign to western civilizations and introduce those words - concepts , foods, traditions- the cultural differences aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Oohlala Comedian Username: Oohlala Post Number: 1539 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 107.3.138.58 Rating: N/A |
Telugu to Telugu dictionary check chesanu.... Aavesamu ki meanings lo vegirapatu, Chalamu, garvamu, kopamu vunnayyi .... Frankly I don't think there is an appropriate synonymn for aavesamu in Telugu or english | ||
| Senapathy Side Hero Username: Senapathy Post Number: 7047 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40 Rating: N/A |
Language jugal bandi laagunde.. "Vagala ranivi neeve, sogasu kaadanu nene" ki english translation cheepandi I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza | ||
| Ir_fan Junior Artist Username: Ir_fan Post Number: 21 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 99.66.36.106 Rating: N/A |
avesam ki synonyms choodadi from given link....It has kopam/avesam=frenzy | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10667 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
No check the definition of passion I posted - it is a broader term than attraction, infatuation or obsession indicated by vyamoham... Anduke mundu telugu lo synonyms rayandi - it will be easier to map - else this exercise will go all over the place aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ir_fan Junior Artist Username: Ir_fan Post Number: 20 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 99.66.36.106 Rating: N/A |
http://www.dictionary.tamilcube.com/telugu-dictionary.aspx | ||
| Oohlala Comedian Username: Oohlala Post Number: 1538 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 107.3.138.58 Rating: N/A |
Light bulb veligindi finally No excitement is used in a positive context, avesam mostly negative.... | ||
| Oohlala Comedian Username: Oohlala Post Number: 1537 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 107.3.138.58 Rating: N/A |
Ir fan, avesam is def not anger, anger is kopam Anand sis, passion is vyamoham So I am not still convinced about avesam.... | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 4025 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 4.26.17.58 Rating: N/A |
ledhu aa vesham annanu seriously tho, excitement is probably a better word for aavesam | ||
| Oohlala Comedian Username: Oohlala Post Number: 1536 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 107.3.138.58 Rating: N/A |
Aakrosam is anguish ani chaduvukondi.... Auto correct is ridiculous Bush, avesam is the disguise annara leka auto correct ayyinda? | ||
| Oohlala Comedian Username: Oohlala Post Number: 1535 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 107.3.138.58 Rating: N/A |
Sake Sam is anguish.... | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 4020 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 4.26.17.58 Rating: N/A |
akrosham - anguish aavesham - that disguise | ||
| Ir_fan Junior Artist Username: Ir_fan Post Number: 19 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 99.66.36.106 Rating: N/A |
thanks | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 29102 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.230.2 Rating: N/A |
yaa sexx maniac rajsekar aavesam anukunta. i saw both movie kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 29101 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.230.2 Rating: N/A |
right side of browser, 6th icon from left. kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Ir_fan Junior Artist Username: Ir_fan Post Number: 18 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 99.66.36.106 Rating: N/A |
Basky, Raja sekhar starred in both movies...aagraham and aavesam. http://bharatmovies.com/telugu/watch/avesham-movie-online.ht m How to quote people ? where can I find tutorial ?? the tutorial this DB has is not much useful. http://www.chalanachithram.com/discus/messages/114/114.html? 1314544155 | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 29100 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.230.2 Rating: N/A |
AAagraham kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10654 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Anger is also a form of passion ...A good definition of passion from some dictionary : (n.) The state of the mind when it is powerfully acted upon and influenced by something external to itself; the state of any particular faculty which, under such conditions, becomes extremely sensitive or uncontrollably excited; any emotion or sentiment (specifically, love or anger) in a state of abnormal or controlling activity; an extreme or inordinate desire; also, the capacity or susceptibility of being so affected; as, to be in a passion; the passions of love, hate, jealously, wrath, ambition, avarice, fear, etc.; a passion for war, or for drink; an orator should have passion as well as rhetorical skill. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ir_fan Junior Artist Username: Ir_fan Post Number: 17 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 99.66.36.106 Rating: N/A |
There is a song "avesamantha aalapanele" from movie "aalapana"...In that context,anand gaaru is right when she said avesam = passion. There is one more movie "avesam" starring raja sekhar which means anger. so, it all depends on context anukuntunna. | ||
| Padmasri Comedian Username: Padmasri Post Number: 1285 Registered: 10-2011 Posted From: 72.101.109.12 Rating: N/A |
no idea dude | ||
| Padmasri Comedian Username: Padmasri Post Number: 1284 Registered: 10-2011 Posted From: 72.101.109.12 Rating: N/A |
aavesam anguish enti..no way anguish is akrosam....idhi lock cheskondi | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10645 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Oka pani cheyyandi - Avesam ki mundu telugu lo synonyms rayandi .. then we can try to match up better with english... If you see the words you got for aavesam- anguish, frenzy , aggression are almost contradictory ...so elaborate in telugu first aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ashton Hero Username: Ashton Post Number: 13713 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 205.234.140.219 Rating: N/A |
full insurance coverage ki best health care plan enti? | ||
| Padmasri Comedian Username: Padmasri Post Number: 1283 Registered: 10-2011 Posted From: 72.101.109.12 Rating: N/A |
...dhookudu is slang...not a proper word | ||
| Oohlala Comedian Username: Oohlala Post Number: 1533 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 107.3.138.58 Rating: N/A |
Aggression is dhookudu kada..... Anguish seems a better match than frenzy..... | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1127 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.140 Rating: N/A |
suitable english word for avesam is frenzy... my guess. | ||
| Padmasri Comedian Username: Padmasri Post Number: 1282 Registered: 10-2011 Posted From: 72.101.109.12 Rating: N/A |
aavesam is aggression akrosam is anguish anukuntunnaa | ||
| Oohlala Comedian Username: Oohlala Post Number: 1532 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 107.3.138.58 Rating: N/A |
Meeru girly name enduku pettukunnaro anuko......ninna dhookudu start chesthe ardham ayyindi | ||
| Oohlala Comedian Username: Oohlala Post Number: 1531 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 107.3.138.58 Rating: N/A |
No sis, avesam is not passion and akrosam is def not rage | ||
| Padmasri Comedian Username: Padmasri Post Number: 1278 Registered: 10-2011 Posted From: 72.101.109.12 Rating: N/A |
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| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10643 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.147.78.4 Rating: N/A |
Avesam ki closest I can think of is passion .. Aakrosham - rage ?? Yeah power can be used in those contexts but is a stretch ...not a primary but a secondary alternate - On the other hand sakti fits every context as the primary ... Not sure if I conveying it right aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Diviseema Side Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 8003 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 115.242.137.141 Rating: N/A |
oohala i dotn know exact meaning of avesam and akrosham in english. anand garu. powerfull can also be used for force like sakthi. same with ability. do u have power to do that. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10637 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Not my strength since I do not have the literary exposure in telugu From what I have seen, your best bet for telugu in the DB would be okeokkaduaa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Oohlala Comedian Username: Oohlala Post Number: 1522 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 173.36.196.9 Rating: N/A |
sis, I am yet to watch the other links you posted today....what are the non-translatable words in telugu.... | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10633 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Its not wrong - but it is not complete either , just like energy. Sakti can be power, energy, ability , strength, force...based on the context.. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Diviseema Side Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 8002 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 115.184.31.18 Rating: N/A |
he said there is no translation word for sakthi for example. he said sakthi is not equal to energy. yes its not. but sakthi = power wrong aaa. then what is the sanskrit word for power. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10632 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Yes!!!!! Finally what I was looking for ... his take on the efforts to make Hinduism linear and history centric ...at 16.00 in the discussion with Tully I linked below...glad he recognizes it ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yz6ZL-TC94&feature=related I personally think that is the greater danger to Hindu civilization - the insiduous homogenization of philosophical thought with the western linear thought under the guise of Hindu revival...because that kills the difference that hindu thought brings ... Thanks again , Vjavasi aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10631 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
This discussion with Mark Tully started out good and sounds promising- listening to it...you all might want to listen as well.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yz6ZL-TC94&feature=related aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10630 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
The exact discussion with Masularex last week on linear problem solving versus approaching in parallel tracks at 28.00 aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10629 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
My thoughts exactly So many things he says gave a sense of deja vu - throwback to some philosophical discussions in the DB ... Calling Mental_Sachinodu - you have to listen to this man aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 4018 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 4.26.17.58 Rating: N/A |
awesome. finally, someone that resonates. the point he makes about us understangin and trusting the other person's belief before engaging in a dialog (~19.00 mins) is something very fundamental. I had been saying that forever. if you want to understand a moslem, you gotta think like them, not like a hindu and then project our image of what islam should be. the same is true in reverse. if you want to engage with a fundamentalist muslim and if you are yourself a liberal hindu or christian, this dude has no respect for you since you are not as religious as he is. so, he wont even care. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10628 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Thanks- listening to it now aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8659 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.103 Rating: N/A |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1fdkGgCt64&feature=related | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10625 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Do you have a link to the original lecture before the Q&A session ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8658 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.103 Rating: N/A |
....this book will be a major turning point in indian as well as world thought process | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8657 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.103 Rating: N/A |
ee video choosina vallu opinion cheppani....naa opinion aithe Rajiv malhotra is a genius....this book will be a major turning point in indian as well as world history....don't miss this lecture | ||
| Oohlala Comedian Username: Oohlala Post Number: 1519 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 107.3.138.58 Rating: N/A |
very very interesting, thanks for sharing. haven't watched everything....history centric contentions tho patu, I liked what he said about non-exclusivity in Hinduism. I think that is very unique to Hinduism. Also I think it is a good idea to come up with a list of non-translatable words in Telugu...we will make it a DB assignment..... | ||
| Rajusk Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 16216 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.185.0.224 Rating: N/A |
bumping for myself..and other night time DBers | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10624 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Just finished watching - Well worth the time Book chadavali - should be a good read. Was a tad disappointed he steered clear of the linear/history centric schools of thought within Hinduism , but that could be cos nobody raised that question. He may have covered that in the itihas Vs history chapter he mentioned. Have to check his website out aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 5269 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
wow this guy is legit. i turned skeptic after listening a lot of nationalist type videos posted in this db that start good but end up being nothing but embellishments, paranoia and hatred for anything foreign. i cant stop listening to rajiv malhotra. radio laga run autunnai atani videos background lo. we need to encourage people like this who dedicated their lives to bringing pride back to Indians. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc8Vnn9fNeA bill gates to bob - "cocktail party undhi. manchi costly whisky pettaam meeru kuda randi" | ||
| Rajusk Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 16181 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11 Rating: N/A |
choostanu for sure..jai tubemate..phone loki download kodtha | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8654 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.103 Rating: N/A |
Raju garu naa corner thread archives loki eppudo poindhi.....malla okka video kosam kotha thread enduku le andi......search lo kooda ravatledhu aa thread.....ee video mee lanti vallu miss kakoodadhu | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10623 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Yep DB lo suggest chesindi nene..thanks goes to my son's teachers.It was on his 9th grade summer reading list else I doubt if I would have picked it up for reading Glad you liked it.aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Kaisersooze Moderator Username: Kaisersooze Post Number: 5691 Registered: 04-2009 Rating: N/A |
meerae anukonta survival of the sickest book suggest chesaru..amazing book..chadivanu..thanks.. | ||
| Rajusk Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 16152 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11 Rating: N/A |
ninna Deccan lo vesadu about the Genetic composition of Indian population..research done by CCMB along with some American institute..motham sadavale..but they have some facts too.. will watch this video over the weekend..please place in your corner.. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10621 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.147.78.4 Rating: N/A |
Very good ideas there on conflicts caused by history centrism of religion only watched 15 mins and will finish it later as I am curious about what he has to say on the history centrism introduced to Hinduism in form of the dasavatars Thanks for posting the link Vjavasi aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8641 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.103 Rating: |
must watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FNq QxPkLmPI#t=352s |
