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     Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3339 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
so is there any difference between a 7th class student making some proposals in elocution competition and this ? both ignore practicality and feasibility. just whimsical proposals so although india did not have a state, all kingdoms shared economic principles antavu. and these are different from the rest of the world antavu. oka vastuvu ae reethilo undaalo aa vidham gaa undaali - balayya | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29433 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
ila undali ani korukovadam kaadu .. ila unte ila untundi ani cheptunnadu ..
oka country/nation anedi political formation ane defined prism lo nunchi chooste .. 1947 nunchi matrame unnattu .. kaani definition lo koddiga aa captivation nunchi liberate chesi .. a country is a place that can be defined by language, culture, religion or any other parameter ani aalochinchi chudu .. you will say .. yes .. China existed before 1949 .. India existed before 1947 and USA existed before 1776 ani ardam chesukogalavu .. http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3338 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
extensive is the key word. compare it to post industrial era. cheppu babu vintam. guptas and mughals time lo unna india na. my understanding is that india for the most part of the history was a bunch of independent kingdoms with occasional periods of unification. nuvvu 3000 years annavu. appudu india undha. lekapothe malli tretha yuganiki poi akkada unnadhi "humanitarian-integration" antava. you are ignoring the same exact points that gurumurthy misses. ee roju matter ento cheppandi. ilaa undaali ani korukuovaali ante gurumurthy gari speech kanna better picture nenu chupista http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0T39ba9Llc oka vastuvu ae reethilo undaalo aa vidham gaa undaali - balayya | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29432 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: |
wrong observation in my view .. Indians, Chinese, Persians .. all had extensive navigation systems ..
come on .. this is not the place for startling relevations! just kidding.. Nothing called India naa !!! kastam inka discuss chesukovadam .. maree ila matladithe .. http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3337 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
not by choice but by LACK OF means of extensive transportation. oka vastuvu ae reethilo undaalo aa vidham gaa undaali - balayya | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3336 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
neeke kaadhu evariki teliyadhu. those are the traditional localized economies prevalent not by choice but by means of extensive transportation. now we are just making up stuff there is nothing called indian economic model. there was nothing called india. its the same thing all over. some countries are better blessed in natural resources and stable rulers. it was not failure of economic system it was failure of military. i am sure the economy of punjab and rajasthan was much better than that of persia and syria oka vastuvu ae reethilo undaalo aa vidham gaa undaali - balayya | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29431 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
vaati models correct ga naaku telidu .. kaani ee roju vaati nunchi derive aina models ani cheppukune vetillonu (they claim so) .. kinda Gurumurthy cheppina mutual cooperation ledu different communities ledu .. paiga cut-throat competition .. so if present is any indication of how the past was .. there certainly was some strength in Indian economic model until 1700 AD .. and if you will be happy listening to one important failure of that economic system .. that was .. making sure the country does not fall in forces from external geographies .. that was an inherent failure for atleast 700 years and later the failure dominated the rest of good qualities .. either by design or by destiny! http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3335 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
could you name a couple and how the indian economic model was different from those oka vastuvu ae reethilo undaalo aa vidham gaa undaali - balayya | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29429 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
nationalists sangati vadiyyi swaami .. poni kanisam .. authentic western world emanukuntondo aina aalochinchu .. adi golden era kaada? atleast 3000 years ela sustain ayyindo .. asalu ippudu tala krindulu ga tapassu chesina adi replicate chese talent unda .. ee modern theories ki?? just think .. alternate models lekapovadam enti .. Egypt nunchi Rome daaka boledu unnayi .. kaani unfortunately .. edo oka reason ki vanish aipoyayi sustain avvaka ..  http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3334 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
antha lite ani ekkada annano konchem chupettu. no difference in economic models of countries. no alternate model. not applicable in today's world. i think we are now witnessing typical insecurities of self proclaimed nationalists who put pride before reason. since the shell is closed i think there is no point knocking on it oka vastuvu ae reethilo undaalo aa vidham gaa undaali - balayya | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29426 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
anduke cheppa pre-judice idi ani .. nenu koosthe tappa suryudu udayinchakudadu anukundata oka kodi .. aa type lo .. industrial revolution ki mundu antha lite anukunte bayata padedi mana goppataname .. http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3333 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
i dont know how traditional economy followed by entire world before industrial revolution can be branded with new names and called an economic system. but i could have ignored it until... endhi adhi. konchem light veste aa veluturu lo chaduvukunta oka vastuvu ae reethilo undaalo aa vidham gaa undaali - balayya | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29422 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
I have evidences of the glorious golden age .. and they are very very visible standing the test of time even today .. unless one chooses to close their eyes! http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3332 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
have you come across "Integral Humanism" that you so blindly trust and are taking at face value ? oka vastuvu ae reethilo undaalo aa vidham gaa undaali - balayya | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29413 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
naah .. I have not come across .. "true liberal markets" then .. http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3314 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
sorry bro my knowledge of stock market is very limited. i am just mentioning the purpose of it. and it can be attributed to two things 1) human greed which should be taken as an absolute 2) failing regulations mostly through friends in govt i am not just talking about wall street. those are the parameters in any situation where there is huge flow of money you just want it to be not true. show one source where any of these is mentioned as tenets of capitalism or free market economy what does that mean ? what other country with intervention free self sustaining economy implemented free markets and failed ? no it is not. it is the exact opposite result of capitalism. in capitalism unchecked profits are checked by competition. in socialism and mixed economies they are facilitated by govt and friends of govt get benefits. India lo kalledurugaa kanipistundhi how people get rich with govt help. yet we want to look elsewhere for the problem oka vastuvu ae reethilo undaalo aa vidham gaa undaali - balayya | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29377 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
to my understanding .. no body "controls" on who should start etc .. no licensing .. but .. I understand .. all businesses need to confirm the ethics he spoke and if someone violates .. it will be kind of boycotted to do business .. I guess .. thats the only "control" we are talking ..
exactly .. you have to choose the lesser evil .. in todays world .. you know how much of a gap there is between haves and have-nots .. and it is a direct result of this very system .. do you agree? http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 5805 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 71.91.7.127 Rating: N/A |
sanman bro, dheeni meedha inka konchem light veyandi.. although stock market is supposed to bring investors towards businesses based on ideas or whatever a company is projecting, i feel the current system over extended to a place of game of chance. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 5804 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 71.91.7.127 Rating: N/A |
kamal, how about the ability for starting new businesses, who controls or frames the rules ane dhani meedha light eyyi... capitalism lo unna main advantage adhe kadha? no system is sane ani naa opinion, just choosing the lesser evil(which again changes over time) somehow i have a feeling that grama swarajya,will push the society towards a class system unless people are in control.if people are in control again, it will lead to a free trade system sooner or later. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29375 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
Naah .. I am not deviating ..
ilanti posts chadivaanu kabatte .. I am trying to say .. that the perception that free markets are ideal is not true .. just because the antics of the country which is benefitting out of this sham is not questioned till date for its 80-90 years of leadership in economy .. ika Monsanto, Kargill, Walmart etc anni corporations ee .. avi ela grow ayyayi? totally merit and worth meeda? kaadu kada .. getting tax breaks after lobbying .. alage agriculture ki govt iche bonuses .. leading to a demand being protected .. production upheld and running the show for these corporations .. how is the govt giving those bonuses .. in essense .. borrowing from the rest of the world .. how long can this spree go on? not for long .. one day there will be a correction .. and that is very natural .. that is the reason why I had to take USA as a case in point .. if not for USA .. the free market theory collapses right away .. http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3309 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
so sad to see you deviate. why are you making this about US. even now half baked capitalism supported USD ki oka alternative currency ravatledhu ante what does it say about other systems oka vastuvu ae reethilo undaalo aa vidham gaa undaali - balayya | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29365 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
pre-judice unnappudu pedda discuss cheyyadam lo ardam ledu kaani .. try to see this video .. http://youtu.be/WCGsGOh6eTI a country that has defaulted twice in the last 8 decades and is on the verge of a 3rd one is not some one to be followed .. as simple as that .. http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3303 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
when you have a sense of community and service, what justification do you have to lead a better life style than the poorest ? who exactly determines what is the appropriate level of this service. how can a service oriented person live in luxury when others in his community do not have basic needs ? as opposed to what other system that gave absolute power before 100 years ago ? more and more it sounds like his problem is more with change than greed. we cannot go back to horse carriages period. do you have examples of societies or cultures that do this voluntarily ? we need proof that it is a viable economic system. gaallo medalu vaddu. let us stick to reality. if it looks at economics as science, i will read it. if it just the whims and fancies of one romantic, i know better works of fiction. the stock market fills a very important function in growth, making capital available to those with ideas. a recent phenomenon is this is happening with social networking. stock market is no different. and no it is not true that stock brokers make great money. they do when they are successful enough to break out and find their own investors http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/stock-broker-salary-SRCH_K O0,12.htm what you mean is brokerage firms. they are only as bad as the regulations allow them to be. current shock kottindi ani lights arpesukoni kurchom kadha. nobody is stupid in this world boss. if a middleman can be cut, he will be. nobody likes to pay more than they have to. in the absence of govt meddling, the middleman can not make more money than he saves for the consumer. did the price of flight tickets go up or down since all these travel sites who dont produce or consume popped up ? that is true to a certain extend but you cannot comment on a system in transition and say that the system failed. every failed business gets bought over or replaced by a better managed business small or big. what do you care how big a shop is as long as you are getting the cheapest service. it is the consumer that decides which business stays and which one goes. the only regulation needed from govt is health, security and environment related http://bit.ly/qZt19W High command relation with low command must be like fish and water. Congress=BJP | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29326 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
For a person to live on moral lines, one need not be poor! I dont why you assume, anybody earning and living morally should be poor?
exactly .. thats what I told .. the Indian system (good old one) does not give any body .. "absolute power" to implement anything .. nor do the proposers of this particular model are asking somebody should have the completeness when it comes to holding and exercising power .. as I already said .. the system works only in an environment when an overwhelming majority of the society voluntarily takes up the idea .. I recommend you read Hind Swaraj and Hindutva (both books back to back is a good idea!)
Thats not the absolute truth .. what does a stock broker do to see the kind of returns that we see him earning these days?? it is speculation and i do agree, that is a little bit of intellect involved in the job, but then, he does not produce, he does not deliver, he does not consume .. and still is probably one of the highest gainer in the whole process .. is it corresponding to any of the efforts put in by other people in the chain??? where is the law of the market that you are so valiantly trying to hold high? where is the equality, as a characteristic, that the liberal market proponents hold dearly to their heart? In my view .. the modern economy (read as capitalist driven one) is good in some sense that it does, with its corporate culture, give us a sense of better efficiency and productivity over a large populace .. but the downside of it is .. it is a "middleman" driven society .. where most of the times .. the producer and the consumer are put to loss (to some extent) .. and lastly .. any thing that turns huge in size .. does become an authoritative and regulatory body .. so are the so-called "liberal markets" today! http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Rajusk Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 14493 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.234.99.11 Rating: N/A |
nenu kooda eedio soosina.. btw ..he is only a Chartered Accountant..not an Economist..but has reach in the highest levels of Govt...so probably is involved.. his comments about Corporate Governance and Peepul tree were good.. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3297 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
god has nothing to do with what people do. good or bad they will convince "god". eg: religious crusades, holy wars, foreign invasion, terrorism etc are all done by god fearing people i say the same thing to communists. live like the poorest person, do whatever you do for free or basic pay. then start preaching. what he proposes doesnt have any shape form or structure. who is going to implement it ? how are you going to convince people to serve their community first. lets be practical. that is the idea of any economics. services are interdependent. it is less hypocritical in the west where people dont pretend that they are doing something for others. what they do serves them first and also satisfied the need of someone else. you are both a consumer and a producer at the same time. nothing to do with east or west. market takes care of the quality of service by purchasing. no need for moral lessons. if you run a business with crappy service, in a free market you go out of business and get replaced by someone with a better business sense achieve it without the use of force and no one will have a problem so how does it come into practice ? without intervention market doesnt lead to decentralization, it leads to large corporations who manage better than small businesses. ultimately it is the consumer that is voting businesses in or out. consumer did not reject large corporations. US lo intervention thone large corporations grow kaledhu kadha. it is a natural process. scm because easier with new tools so the person who has the best plan grows without boundaries. if you punish him you are punishing success and killing jobs created by smarter employer. http://bit.ly/qZt19W High command relation with low command must be like fish and water. Congress=BJP | ||
| Rajusk Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 14481 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.185.0.224 Rating: N/A |
Bofors scam bayataki teesadu..eena mahapurush | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3287 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
ok we will discuss tomorrow http://bit.ly/qZt19W High command relation with low command must be like fish and water. Congress=BJP | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29323 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
Arupulu manishi talent .. okappudu Reliance ki U poyinchaadu .. Arun Shourie tho kalisi .. economics eppudaithe globalize ayyindo .. appudu his ideas were temporarily defeated or disproved .. lekapothe Manmohan Singh, Montek Singh Ahluwalia la kante mundu nunchi kuda ace-economist ga peru techukunnadu .. http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29321 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
3) "implement" his economic system is an absolutely incorrect way of looking at this idea .. why because .. this system is an 'intelligent decentralized' economic model .. the reason why I termed it intelligent is .. this economic model is a bottom-up model .. (not top-down like the current one followed) .. and hence does not have a centralized authority to "enforce" this system .. it is a society that is intelligent, that has to take this system by its own will .. not due to somebody shoving it into his throat .. and so it is de-centralized .. 4) this is an interesting question .. but I am not sure if I have the answer to this .. IT services, BPO is a child of globalization kabatti .. but I will try to find out! http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29320 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
the alternative economic system is swadesi-economics (which respects the boundaries of nation, culture and identities) while staying in harmony with mother nature and with an objective of peace and prosperity for all in that economic community .. (idealistic ga kanipinchina .. utopia ni promise chestunnattu anipinchina .. this is what is my understanding) .. deeniki Sangh related circles/organizations lo .. appealing ga undenduku (IMO) .. "Integral Humanism" ani name chesaru .. http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29319 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
where it is all individual greed that is driving them .. *not* a sense of community and its prosperity ..
My understanding of the swadesi-economics is limited, but I will try to answer your question in my own understanding .. Every business is need based but profit oriented 'service' .. that is the idea of a business (small/big) in Swadesi economics .. so usually the boundaries of the business will be state/nation .. and if need arises out of the nation also (but this is not advocated much) .. the root of this swadesi thought is also the foundation of the much publicized "gram swarajya" concept of Gandhi where everything is localised and not globalised ..! anyways .. lets not digress .. but the motive of a business is not rabid greed .. but profit oriented service .. with an emphasis on the words, either profit or service, depending on the context .. http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Manoj Comedian Username: Manoj Post Number: 1212 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 123.201.57.129 Rating: N/A |
Gurumurthy is a renowned writer. His columns are published in Indian Express. His take on 2G scams were well appreciated. His articles can be read here: http://expressbuzz.com/authorbiography/s-gurumurthy/879.html Parama Veera Chakra is the best form of punishment any criminal should be given for consciously squandering money at the time of inflation. Balakrishna's respect, reverence for director Dasari must be deep, it is so deep that he couldn't say no to his film and parallely jeopardises his previous hit Simha and also pushes his fans into depths of despair | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 29318 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
the need for modernization and advancements in trade and communications, till a point, were need-based, but abuse of the same tools turned them in the godless or god-less societies .. where it is all individual greed that is driving them .. a sense of community and its prosperity ..
I do not know if you listened to it completely or not, but thats what he said when he said .. this is not the same capitalism that Marx thought he was fighting or communism will fight .. he clearly admitted this rabid greed only has its roots in capitalism but it is now more than that .. ! http://youtu.be/N1duR9XCtSY - Jaya He Bharati .. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3284 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
video link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqEii6gXY6o http://bit.ly/qZt19W High command relation with low command must be like fish and water. Congress=BJP | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 3283 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 66.177.5.103 Rating: N/A |
morning i think u posted the link. saved it and listening to it. evaru ee candidate. there is lot of noise in the beginning trying to see economics from religious prism but there are lot of good points about India. community values gurinchi baga cheppaadu. BUT the problem is he is again looking at the glorious past and trying to apply the same principles in today's world. a lot of great things he mentioned about India (family businesses, family values etc which he calls dharma) is how developed countries (including old Russia) started out but what we see now is how they ended because of modernization and advancements in trade and communications, not because they are godless sodomites as he likes to believe. if because of modernization the wealth and jobs had to be created somewhere, they were create in the west because they adapted quicker to change. he is under the impression that everything that happens in US is capitalism or result of capitalism. that is not true. capitalism was hijacked in US in later stages. i agree with his model of family businesses but he also has to address these points - 1)how do these capital deprived small businesses compete in global markets? 2)what is the alternative economic system to capitalism and communism ? this challenge is not just his, but everyone who opposes capitalism and sees communism as a failure 3)to implement his romantic economic system there has to be a lot of intervention and use of force from govt's side to stop enterprises growing beyond a certain size. this will lead to black market, bureaucracy, red tapism etc. 4)diversity of markets. he is keeping only retail sector in mind. can he apply the same business model to services ? how about IT, BPO etc ? his economic model which is a natural starting point cannot be a natural ending point because it ignores human greed and global trends. when tried to enforce it will lead to totalitarian state. anyway interesting video. i will checkout his speech on corruption and see if he has any interesting take on corruption and indian backdrop http://bit.ly/qZt19W High command relation with low command must be like fish and water. Congress=BJP |
