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     Edookati Moderator Username: Edookati Post Number: 2410 Registered: 11-2009 Rating: N/A |
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| Chittinaidu Junior Artist Username: Chittinaidu Post Number: 8 Registered: 07-2011 Posted From: 67.159.56.162 Rating: N/A |
 ...both of u all setup ujlesses | ||
| Edookati Moderator Username: Edookati Post Number: 2409 Registered: 11-2009 Rating: N/A |
enti Chittinaidu antey maa JC Garu naa
JCG elcum elcum use ponds talcum | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27234 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
jagadumb sitti naidesh goru .. meeku telisi .. baga falinchina atheist rulers evaranna unnara? A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. | ||
| Chittinaidu Junior Artist Username: Chittinaidu Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2011 Posted From: 67.159.56.162 Rating: N/A |
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| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27233 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/opinion/editorial/padman abhaswamy-temple-should-use-its-wealth-wisely/articleshow/91 08090.cms shameless display of marxism in the garb of humanism .. this is the disease thats plaguing Indian media today .. an influential business newspaper editorial .. suggesting that a temple's wealth should be liquidated to give money to every tom, dick and harry .. parasites .. A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27232 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
While one of India's richest temples is garnering worldwide attention for its estimated $22-billion treasure trove, a Canadian researcher says archeologists, scholars, economists and even jewellers are eager to flock to the site to study its historical impact. The haul from the underground chambers of a medieval Hindu temple in Thiruvananthapuram, India, included enormous quantities of gold coins dating back to the era of French military leader Napoleon Bonaparte, and silk bundles full of diamonds, jewelry and Belgian gold — all artifacts that could help researchers paint of a picture of what world trade looked like between the 16th and 19th century, said Amitava Chowdhury, a Queen's University history professor who was an archeologist in Mauritius for several years. "This finding showed the kind of international trade in billions of precious items, the evolution of jewelry and stone cutting, coins from all over the world. As an archeologist, what's interesting to me is what you can find out about various cultures based on these precious commodities," he said. K.N. Panikkar, an eminent India historian, told international reporters the treasure was most likely a combination of gifts donated by devotees to the shrine built by Travancore maharajas. The donations help illustrate how wealthy local and international merchants were and what they had on hand to offer to their deities, Chowdhury said. With five vaults uncovered, a team named by the country's Supreme Court to monitor the treasure hunt said the valuables could be worth up to a trillion rupees or $22 billion. "The size of it is staggering," Chowdhury said. "But the archeological significance perhaps outweighs the monetary value of it." A sixth vault was to be explored Monday while a seventh vault — reinforced with iron walls — will be opened only under direction from India's top court, Agence France-Presse reported. Chowdhury said the seventh chamber is likely the oldest in the temple and could contain dazzling artifacts dating back to the 16th century when the temple was constructed. India's national conservation agency, the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI), said it was stunned by the findings. "Right now we are working in absolute darkness and we only know that fabulous treasure is pouring out," ASI Director-General Gautam Sengupta told AFP. "No archeologist has ever experienced vault after vault being opened and treasures being discovered like this," Sengupta said in New Delhi, adding that many of the Hindu shrines across India were "very rich." Chowdhury said there are thousands of temples in South India but only about 20 are in the same league as this latest hoard of treasures. Armed commandos cordoned off the South Indian temple, which he anticipated is slated to become the India's richest temple. The site will probably become a "unique place on the Indian heritage map," adding another layer of protection to the region, Chowdhury said. For now, surveillance will be in place around the clock and security forces are setting up a special control centre, including a three-tier security ring involving 100 armed policemen. "It seems to be the only thing you can do in this situation. Decisions might be made to move the hold and ancient coins to a more secure location later on," Chowdhury said. Since India achieved independence from Britain in 1947, a trust managed by descendants of the Travancore royal family has controlled the temple, AFP reported. A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. | ||
| Kingaa_bongaa Hero Username: Kingaa_bongaa Post Number: 13674 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 108.71.87.80 Rating: N/A |
eellemaa ...................
 Manaki Manam Kingu, Choosevallaki Bongu. | ||
| Zulu Side Hero Username: Zulu Post Number: 6946 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.68.10.73 Rating: N/A |
naki vata naki ichesi migathadi emanna chesukondi.. | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27217 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
italy bomma soniamma ni kavalani marchipoyava enti? aavida undaga vere vallaki sadhya padaka povachu .. A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. | ||
| Xxx Comedian Username: Xxx Post Number: 1607 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 166.82.172.153 Rating: |
deva gowda, sushmna swaraj, ballrey brothers etc should share the loot? naa ishtam ...antha mee ishtam babu doraa | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 17219 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.172.124 Rating: N/A |
CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Xxx Comedian Username: Xxx Post Number: 1606 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 166.82.172.153 Rating: N/A |
some to ministers, so to the cops and some to corrupt leaders ; where does the money of saibaba go? do you have any accouting for money from TTD Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams approves Rs 1,641 crore budget for 2011-12 pch!!! naa ishtam ...antha mee ishtam babu doraa | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27216 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
Hindus ki kakunda inkevariki pokudadu .. evariki potundi anedi chuddaam .. A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. | ||
| Zulu Side Hero Username: Zulu Post Number: 6944 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.68.10.73 Rating: N/A |
900,000 crores enti rao garu..mari viddoram kakapothey..vammo. E dabbu ippudu evariki pothundi? | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27214 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
saripotaya? andariki kerala gift ga shakeela kuda kavala? A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. | ||
| Zulu Side Hero Username: Zulu Post Number: 6943 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.68.10.73 Rating: N/A |
manishi ki 7500 rupayalu choppuna India lo andariki panchali..  | ||
| Xxx Comedian Username: Xxx Post Number: 1605 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 166.82.172.153 Rating: N/A |
they won the war, so what can we do ? they came they saw, they settled, then we broke into 3 pieces and now more  naa ishtam ...antha mee ishtam babu doraa | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27211 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
LOL .. muslim invasions ni condone chesinattu matladaku .. nobody does it .. especially in right wing circles .. kaani brits ni cover cheyyalani chudaku .. we are slowly coming to know the real loot of brits .. you should be glad .. A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27210 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
asalu India lo atheist kings unnara eppudaina charitra lo? unte, how well did they rule? ee eishayam meeda evaranna lite eyyandi .. A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. | ||
| Ashton Hero Username: Ashton Post Number: 12051 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 64.20.45.178 Rating: N/A |
muzzie bastards loot chesina treasure antha marchipoyi lets blame it all on Brits...shame on the editor whoever wrote that article. | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 17218 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.172.124 Rating: N/A |
well said! I don't want our MFO politicians touch that money! CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27209 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27205 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
exactly .. you got it right .. history lo .. when people talked about muslim invasions and how they looted the temples .. biased historians like romilla thapar used to say that they are false and malicious .. kaani you see .. things like this always come out .. you cant suppress truth for long ! A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. | ||
| Goonda Hero Username: Goonda Post Number: 15256 Registered: 02-2007 Posted From: 98.66.55.145 Rating: N/A |
ee okka temple loney inta vundantey.. ika anni temples ento vundedhoo.. british naa K'lu enta dochukolllaro.. they will probably be repenting that they missed the moolah | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 17475 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
ala emi undadu .. ee roju unna political situation vastundi ani 4-5 years back evaru oohinchaledu .. inko 2-3 years or 6-7 years lo ememi changes vastayo chuddam .. -- I'm talking about coilation/alliance politics..... that is the trend for the last two decades...... no one party can change its fortunes so much that they can change this.....trend.... because....local parties have sprung up now in each and every state...... alliance.....anna tharvatha compromise thappani sari...... We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Aristotle | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 31981 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: |
The last thing I want to see is Govt taking over it and use that money to sponsor israel and haj trips He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27204 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
ala emi undadu .. ee roju unna political situation vastundi ani 4-5 years back evaru oohinchaledu .. inko 2-3 years or 6-7 years lo ememi changes vastayo chuddam ..
nenu vellaledu kaani naa friends chepparu .. awesome temple ani .. A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 17474 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
BJP ki ennadu sontham ga govt form chese avakasam raledu .. ala vachinappudu crucify cheyyadam lo ardam undi .. -- ika mundu evarikee radhu..... BTW.....Padmanabha swamy temple ki nenu vellanu.....wonderful temple..... vigraham.....three doors lonchi choodali..... one of the best temples i have seen..... andulo.....ee treasure vishayam jaragatam.....bhaley undhi.... Panchi kattukuni.....shirt theestheney entry induloki naaku thelisi.... We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Aristotle | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27197 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
BJP ki ennadu sontham ga govt form chese avakasam raledu .. ala vachinappudu crucify cheyyadam lo ardam undi .. A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. | ||
| Nippu Side Hero Username: Nippu Post Number: 3874 Registered: 12-2008 Posted From: 24.185.15.123 Rating: |
ippduu oka private person pil vesinattu bjp lo karkakartha chetha pil veyyinchi cheyyacdhu cheyyali anna chittasudhi vunte. emtha sepu vote bank rajeeyam ki alavatu paddaka . maatalake kani chethalaki andaru okkate ani prove chestunnaru. | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27196 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
congress ki kotta fans dorikettu seddam ani .. A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8425 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.59 Rating: N/A |
rumors vunte....private trust chetilo vunna temple ni central govt emi chestundhi.....kerala emi bjp ruled state kaadhu kadha.....agree, Bjp power lo vunnapudu country lo anni temples ni govt control nundi bayatiki techi hindu society ki appaginchi vundalsindhi.....chetagaani sannasulu | ||
| Nippu Side Hero Username: Nippu Post Number: 3872 Registered: 12-2008 Posted From: 24.185.15.123 Rating: N/A |
treasue akkada vundi ani eppati nuncho rumors vunnia. evaro pil veste ippudu supreme court theerpu ichindhi. but 1950 nunchi rumors are there about treasure. | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8424 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.59 Rating: N/A |
treasure ippude bayata padindhi.....mundhu evariki idea ledhu....supreme court order chesindhi secret chambers open cheyyamani | ||
| Nippu Side Hero Username: Nippu Post Number: 3871 Registered: 12-2008 Posted From: 24.185.15.123 Rating: N/A |
bjp vallu power lo vunna appudu enduku dinni bayataki theesi danni temple trust lo peti enduku safeguard seyyaledu. congress ki enduku keys ichindhi. | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8423 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.59 Rating: |
http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=18 58 <<<<< Back To Home Padmanabha Temple treasure and British loot Senthil 04 Jul 2011 We are rediscovering the wealth of India. And the immense beauty in which it was gathered and preserved and protected for the common good in times of trouble is truly uplifting to our tired spirits. Suddenly this seems an exciting country to live in … But, as the Supreme Court-ordered public accounting of hitherto unknown treasures in secret chambers in Kerala’s famed Padmanabha Temple gets underway, the Sanatana Dharma, the world’s oldest and greatest living civilisation, offers unprecedented insight into the integrity, consistency, and continuity with which its ancient rulers upheld its civilisation mores and values, and harvested and preserved wealth in trust for future generations. This should serve as a lesson in humility to the Western world, where bankers in connivance with unscrupulous politicians are busy robbing the common man so that the rich can continue their profligate ways, destroying all values of civilisation the world over. This should serve as an antidote to the arrogance of the Marxist and anti-Hindu parvenus that Nehruvian Stalinism imposed upon the nation as ‘intellectuals’ as part of its determined quest to deconstruct Hindu Dharma as the nation’s foundational ethos and engineer a rootless, culture-less entity that could satisfy the arid intellect of the country’s first prime minister. We may call this the quest for what a former Polish communist writer designates as Homo sovieticus, a soulless denudation of all the values of a nation and nullification of all its glories and triumphs. The Hindu king was a critical pillar of Hindu Dharma, its mainstay and defender. Is it any wonder that independent [Nehruvian] India’s intellectuals – funded and feted by the State to the exclusion of all other thinkers – never found merit in any of our erstwhile rulers, even when the kingdoms that they managed to hold on to during the British Raj where in so many respects superior in administration to the Crown-ruled provinces, and the subjects happier? As we see in the case of the Padmanabha Temple, even though the Travancore royal family had lost political power, the ruler remained the official king of the Padmanabha Temple, which is deeply revered by the people of the region. And when the king and his successor kings feared that the loss of political power could translate into the loss of economic control over the immense wealth of the kingdom to the British who had come only to plunder and loot the nation, they swiftly and wisely transferred huge parts of the royal treasury into secret chambers in the Padmanabha Temple, whose priests then served as guardians of this public treasure. To their credit, they have upheld this trust. Mind you, the wealth thus hidden by the king would have been the kingdom’s surplus after paying the handsome tributes extracted by the British Crown! In one royal stroke, the new-found wealth in the abode of Sri Padmanabha shatters the myth assiduously nurtured and propagated by Christian missionaries and their Western Christian mentors that India is and has ever been a poor country. Were that true, the White Man would have taken his rapacious presence elsewhere. When a small princely state could accumulate so much wealth – that too, on the basis of an agricultural economy, mind you – even after 150 years of British loot, then how much wealth would we have had in the original? It is a question worth pondering over. A related issue that rises in my mind is that the missionaries always cite the ‘poverty of India’ as their justification for conversion. This stands exposed. And as the assets of the Christian missionaries are products of the loot of India by the British colonial regime (and the continuing neo-colonial world order), we may safely say that the wealth of missionaries rightfully belongs to Hindus. The gold and precious jewels now being unearthed from underground chambers of the Padmanabha temple have conservatively been estimated at around Rs One lakh crore; their antique value will take much more time to evaluate. The temple is privately owned by the royal family of Travancore, just one of the small Princely states of India. The question naturally arises – if this is just a portion of the wealth of one small, albeit immensely wealthy, state, what would be the true estimate of how much the British Raj had looted India? At independence there were more than 500 princely states, with some major kingdoms like Mysore, Jaipur, Gwalior, Jodhpur, and so on. So when small princely states like Travancore had so much of wealth, how much would the British looted from all other Princely States, and the regions they governed directly under what they called British India? If we assume that on an average, 1/10th of this treasure (10,000 crore) was possessed by each of the 500 small Princely States, it comes around 500 x 10,000 crore = 50,00,000 crore. This is just as per current market value of the valuables; the antique value is unlimited. The temple jewels fall under the category of antiques, and hence the values are far, far higher. In 1857, the British destroyed innumerable rajyams and took over their treasuries. The estimate of this loot is beyond comprehension, and is not included in this article. What we may do well to remember, however, is that the British created a class of civil servants whose main responsibility was to extract revenue from our thriving agriculture (hence, Collectors), and levy tax on everything else they could think of, like the humble salt. So the loot from British India would closely parallel the loot from Princely India. Some pertinent questions arise: - The temple is under the control of the Travancore Royal Family. It would prima facie seem that the treasure found in the temple belongs to them. If the Government of India forcefully acquires these treasures, what is the difference between colonial loot and the present government loot? - Or did the royal family transfer the wealth considering it as State Wealth, a trust held on behalf of the subjects as it derived from the tax revenues of the subjects? - Was there a clear distinction between the Royal Treasury as an institution of the Kingdom and the personal property of the ruler? Did members of the Royal Family derive specific monthly or annual incomes from the Treasury, which could be called their personal money? (I recall that in the larger princely kingdoms, certain articles of jewellery were the private property of the royal queens and princesses; but large quantities of very precious jewellery were not assigned to individuals, but held in the Treasury separately. The reigning king’s spouse could select items to wear by signing a register, and these had to be scrupulously returned to the treasury thereafter). - Then, who is Sunderrajan who has filed a petition before Supreme Court seeking Government takeover of the wealth. This seems malicious, and it would be interesting to know the religious denomination and locus standi of the petitioner, and the motives behind filing the petition. - Given the fact that the wealth has resided for over a century in the safe possession and custody of the Padmanabha Temple, should not this wealth now be considered the legitimate possession of the Temple? - Can we protect this wealth as owned by the Temple but belonging to the people of State and indeed the entire Nation by declaring that it cannot be sold under any circumstances? - Can we use it to generate wealth for the Hindu people to whom it ultimately belongs by housing it in a special ultra-safe museum and earning income from the proceeds of the display? - Can we ensure that the wealth is not misused to benefit non-Hindu communities with the agenda to destroy the Hindu nation and its religion, culture and customs? - The petitioner before the Supreme Court has alleged that the temple management is not proper. I think the irony today is that the Government and the Judiciary are scam-ridden and tainted with corruption. What makes them better custodians of wealth that they did not even know existed? Historically, we have always found that native Indian kings governed their region more efficiently than any colonial or national government. - Padmanabha temple presents a perfect case study to judge who is the rightful owner of a temple. Sri Padmanabha Swamy Temple belongs to the royal family, and it is they who have been maintaining this rajya temple for generations. It is they who decide whom to allow and whom NOT allow inside the temple. The Temple is NOT public property. The public can worship there, but cannot claim any rights over it. - It must be clarified here that a Temple is NOT like a church. While a church is a place of gathering for worship [the Christian god lives in heaven], a temple is the residence of the God Himself; hence the sanctity of the temple has to be maintained. Neither Government nor courts have any business to meddle in its affairs. In non-monotheist cultures, the king is the protector of dharma. Kings always governed our country far, far better than the rest of the world. As distinct from western culture, the king is subservient to the presiding deity of the kingdom, as we find at places like Puri and also the Padmanabha temple. The Travancore kings calls themselves Padmanabha dasa (Servant of Padmanabha). When they commit wrong, the presiding deity will restore dharma. Thus, they are not absolute monarchs, nor dictators of the kind we commonly find in the West. This is true of most Indian kings; we find instances of such rajya temples in all desams. Modern Indian intellectuals need to understand that there is no dharma without a king. Unlike the modern westernised urban ghettos (which we call towns, cities, metros) the temple is the centre of our bharatiya nagaras, around which the nagara is designed and built. I do not know the old architecture of the city of Tiruvananthapuram, or even the history of the Padmanabha temple, but the whole city was administered and regulated by the royal family before independence and Tiruvananthapuram seems to be a planned city. The present colonial Indian Government seized control from them after independence, and left the city to degrade itself. This is how our culture and our religion had declined, which Hindu (Marxist and fellow travellers) intellectuals are refusing to understand. I strongly feel that the temple jewels should remain in the custody of the Royal Family and the Royal Temple. The wealth it generates must be used as per dharma. This means that Hindu temple wealth cannot be used to finance Hajj or repair churches, as in Karnataka. Any effort to seize the Temple by the government must be strongly resisted. We may recall that Janata Party president Subramanian Swamy and Tamil Nadu chief minister Jayalalithaa have in the past publicly accused Congress president Sonia Gandhi of stealing antiques from India. The present move in the Supreme Court appears to be a grim conspiracy to steal the assets of Padmanabha Perumal. His devotees must resist with all their might. Notes - The findings reported so far include gold coins dating back thousands of years; gold necklaces nine feet long and weighing about 2.5 kg each; one tonne of the yellow metal in the shape of rice trinkets; sticks made of the yellow metal; sack full of diamonds; gold ropes; thousands of pieces of antique jewellery studded with diamonds and emeralds; crowns and other precious stones in chamber ‘A’. - 17 kgs of gold coins dating back to the East India Company period; 18 coins from Napolean’s era; precious stones wrapped in silk bundles; over 1,000 kg of gold in the form of coins and trinkets and a small elephant made of the yellow metal. - Sovereigns bearing the 1772 seal indicating the reign of then native king Karthika Thirunal Rama Varma. - With chamber ‘B’ and ‘E’ yet to be opened, the shrine would pip Tirupati Balaji, assessed at over Rs 50,000 crore. The writer is a software professional engaged in grassroots study of native traditions in the south |
