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     Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9680 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.91.149 Rating: N/A |
Vjavasi, " I think it's not personal psycology again its personal experiences that cause and strenghten beliefs " Agree but I also think response to experience is very strongly connected to and driven by individual psychology  "freud's free association" Hmm idi telidu - have to look it up what is it about ?aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8288 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.59 Rating: N/A |
i think it's not personal psycology again its personal experiences that cause and strenghten beliefs
sounds like freud's free association of mind | ||
| Side Hero Username: Twitter Post Number: 9663 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 67.85.199.98 Rating: N/A |
eppudu vinani subjects kosam ..kottha kothha padhala kosam dharsinchandi ee thed ni. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9679 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.91.149 Rating: N/A |
Thank you for the reference - Found a copy online and reading it For those interested ...here's the link http://www.questia.com/library/book/advaita-vedanta-a-philos ophical-reconstruction-by-eliot-deutsch.jsp aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9678 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.91.149 Rating: |
Exactly why our personal psychology drives belief systems and approaches I have been questioning a long time and have never felt any kind of despair On the contrary, I find it invigorating- its the one area where I feel like a kid again...skipping along on a treasure hunt through colorful gardens...every clue or trinket on the path is an addition to the eclectic collection of treasures in my sack and each clue points you in a new direction of questioning I do not see it as a quest , more as an exploration - No deadlines, no performance metrics ,no limits on what to think, no room for any negative feelings - concocting theories , negating/refining them with each new find - it is so much fun and it recharges my creative batteries for everything else in life aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8286 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.59 Rating: |
all the best......i used to obsessively question everything to the level of insanity.....after painful experiences gave up, may be exhausted, just waiting for maturity and experience | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9677 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.91.149 Rating: N/A |
Vjavasi, That approach of waiting for the panacea of direct experience may work for you - it does not work for me I will most likely keep questioning all answers till there is no room for questioning... May be a wiring defect in my brain  aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9676 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.91.149 Rating: N/A |
Oops autocorrect is embarrassing Nisarga, Please read that as 'the second round' NOT 'the sexing round' aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8284 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.59 Rating: N/A |
i am not theorizing...there is theory about soul and also mothods prescribed to know and experience it......only when u experience it you understand it's nature.......in so called physical theories you only see some physical symptoms that you can interpret in a billion ways
answers could be different but experience could be same......also depends on levels of experience......my point is experience is the key and purpose of life is just experience not theories | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9675 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.91.149 Rating: N/A |
Jcgaru, Saar thought reading, facereading lanti skills levu , kasta expression to patu words lo kuda express cheste mee consternation ki cause ardham avutundi Nisarga, Yeah whatever excerpts I have read are interesting - but I need to read the book to be able to understand them in context coherently the one I found intriguing(not in this essay) was that the first round of enlightenment is finding realization and the sexing round is realising the irrelevance of it - that tickled my curiosity - need to get the book and them find some solid chunks of time to read it aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jcgaru Side Hero Username: Jcgaru Post Number: 3203 Registered: 01-2011 Posted From: 75.207.241.155 Rating: N/A |
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| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9674 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.91.149 Rating: N/A |
Vjavasi, Now you are theorizing too except that you are working off the assumption that soul concept is true and trying to male it work with the conditions Particle physics is working off the assumption that the God particle assumption is true to my mind, both are equally susceptible to being wrong Science atleast will validate or invalidate it's theories in time - meeru cheppe 'direct experience will answer' is not likely to be validated - from what I have read the answers are different among enlightened Buddhist, Jain, Adwaitin , Jew, Dwaitin and Sufi experiences - unified , universally validated scriptural theory emanna unda - unte references ivvandi aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8268 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.59 Rating: N/A |
it could be at a particular stage between conception and birth it doesn't matter wether fertilization is natural or artificial...even kauravas were born artificially and the same vyasa writes about soul......cloning is not an extraordinary thing it's just replacing the nucleus with either of the parents nucleus and the sould could enter when the egg grows to a certain level | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8267 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.59 Rating: N/A |
may be two souls got attached at the conception and that may be the reason why it split
the soul enters the baby not the womb...it doesn't matter wether the foetus is in the womb or in test tube...no matter what artificial techniques you use the destination of soul is body not womb or test tubes | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8263 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.59 Rating: N/A |
opinion enti akkai, logical argument chepthe
that experience itself will answer these questions....what is required is following the directions of scriptures and if possible the person with such experience......infact life itself is journey of such experience, everubody is on that patha moving back and forth | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9671 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Matter of opinion
Then how come different people validate it differently ? Why do we have so many scriptural philosophies/schools of thought that followers claim to have validated by experience ? Have you validated it by experience - if so is your experience the same as someone else or is that experience a Maya as you once cautioned me Chinna example of gaps I see in scriptural theory : Soul is separate from body antaru.Can you say when the soul attaches to body for life to come into existence? Is it at conception , is it at birth ? is it in the womb midway? If its at conception - how do you explain identical twins when the zygote splits after conception ? Does the soul split - what happens to the karma ? If its in the womb - how do you explain invitro-fertilisation or cloning? If its at birth - how do scriptures claim knowledge can be acquired in the womb ? Are there scriptural answers that satisfy all these conditions and probably more to be brought about by science ? If there is any one theory that can answer all questions - we would not still be searching for the answer aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8250 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.59 Rating: N/A |
it will never find any answer because its searching for a god particle and there is no way it can validate whatever their theory predict indeed is a god particle....so their efforts are speculative and futile
scriptual theory can be validated by experience....scientific theories are misleading and they introduce speculative definitions undermining the inherent intelligence of life......is there any universal theory in science?.....even newton theories are not universal | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9670 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.205.9.202 Rating: N/A |
Vjavasi, I do not think science has found the answer but it continues to look it's peeling the onion one layer at a time , re-evaluating results, admitting mistakes and self-correcting it's path along the way Why do you find that untenable ? How is scientific theory any worse or different from scriptural/philosophical theory in your mind aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Masularex Junior Artist Username: Masularex Post Number: 729 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 210.18.154.99 Rating: N/A |
science cheraloni chotu religion ki shelter avuddi... idi end less butt kicking. ala koncham koncham munduku jaragatame sceince cheyalsina pani. | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8249 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.59 Rating: N/A |
Brahmam antaaru ga......o.k let me put my question like this what is the most fundamental unit or property in physics? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9668 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.91.149 Rating: N/A |
Vjavasi, Leave alone science, Fundamental unit of existence evaru define chesaru ? After all 'soul' concept is also a theory ...do you have an answer to your own question outside science that is not theoretical ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8246 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.59 Rating: N/A |
asalu physics kaani inka emanna science kaani fundamental unit of existence in identify chesindha?.......don't say Bosons, quarks, this and that asalu veelaki electron etla vuntundo kooda clarity ledhu.......theories create chestune vunnaru...i want to just know the fundamental unit of existence | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 376 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.37 Rating: N/A |
I have not read Nagarjuna's work. the essay is interesting. they(Jay L. Garfield, Graham Priest) seem to suggest that Nagarjuna would in fact rejecting contradictions and things exist in conventional sense!!! some interesting excerpts: For ultimate reality is just as empty as conventional reality. Ultimate reality is hence only conventionally real! The distinct realities are therefore identical ......at this stage, then, we draw the following conclusions: Na¯ga¯rjuna is not an irrationalist. He is committed to the canons of rational argument and criticism. He is not a mystic. He believes that reasoned argument can lead to the abandonment of error and to knowledge. He is not of the view that the conventional world, however nominal it may be, is riddled with contradictions.8 If Na¯ga¯rjuna is to assert contradictions, they will be elsewhere, they will be defended rationally, and they will be asserted in the service of reasoned analysis..... The Ultimate Truth Is That There Is No Ultimate Truth ... The Victorious ones have said That Emptiness is the relinquishing of all views. For whomever emptiness becomes a view That one will accomplish nothing. (MMK XIII : 8).... .... The emptiness of emptiness is the fact that not even emptiness exists ultimately, that it is also dependent, conventional, nominal, and, in the end, that it is just the everydayness of the everyday. Penetrating to the depths of being, we find ourselves back on the surface of things, and so discover that there is nothing, after all, beneath these deceptive surfaces. Moreover, what is deceptive about them is simply the fact that we take there to be ontological depths lurking just beneath..... | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 3199 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 209.226.31.161 Rating: N/A |
again i meant jujung In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 298 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.45.60.104 Rating: N/A |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanu_Padmanabhan Theoretical physicist anta.. for those interested in philosophy, a very good intro: http://www.amazon.com/Advaita-Vedanta-Reconstruction-Eliot-D eutsch/dp/0824802713 extremely well written and a small book too.. clarifies many of the common misunderstandings about maaya, provides interesting interpretations of karma, brahman etc.. written from a purely philosophic viewpoint and devoid of any "ritual/spiritual" stuff.. @nisarga and @anand, it'll tk a while before i go through both your links.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Cyberabadsinnodu Comedian Username: Cyberabadsinnodu Post Number: 1825 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 76.125.176.7 Rating: N/A |
what z going on..!!!! ఎంత చికాగో యునివర్సిటీ లో చదువుకున్నా చిలక్కొట్టుడికి సరైన ఇంగ్లీషు పదం దొరుకుతుందా..!! | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 3197 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 209.226.31.161 Rating: N/A |
forgive my bad syntax, i meant keep me very interested and an educating experience, pressed the enter button too quickly In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 3196 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 209.226.31.161 Rating: N/A |
Nisarga, jujubi I find your views on some of the topics very interested and educating, thank you for your posts found them worth spending time In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9667 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
A couple years back read a commentary on Nagarjuna's philosophy - on limits of thought , on his dialetheistic view that true contradictions exist and taking a position is counter-productive.Found it very interesting and have been meaning to read his Prajnaparimita for a long time - but never got round to it Have you read any of his works ? You might find this essay interesting http://www.thezensite.com/ZenEssays/Nagarjuna/NagarjunaTheLi mitsOfThought.pdf aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9663 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Nice insight Its a little difficult for most people to accept the possibility that you can actually stumble/jump into the answer without the 'prescribed' preparation and rigor that is supposed to be the prerequisite for it, especially with so many people peddling 'the path' The rigor and path gives a semblance of control that most of us find difficult to relinquish aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Masularex Junior Artist Username: Masularex Post Number: 725 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 210.18.154.113 Rating: N/A |
 ...who is this guy? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9661 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.91.149 Rating: N/A |
Jujung,  Taxonomy of non-answers was hilarious - but will have to wait to finish the article aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9660 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.91.149 Rating: N/A |
Nisarga, Nice article - presentation is also very good with the visual metaphors will catch up the thread later aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 295 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.45.60.104 Rating: N/A |
yes, i do not think "enlightenment" or "the ultimate realization of the truth if it exists" has anything to do with mental derangement/visions. A very fascinating article on "The Answer": http://www.iucaa.ernet.in/~paddy/answer/article.htm Intro: "Nearly 99.9 percent of the people I know belong to one of these four categories: They believe philosophical discussions are bullshit and people indulging in them are at best misguided and at worst idiots. They pretend interest in philosophy since it offers an easy route to act profound at dinners (sipping a drink and stroking a beard, if available) - and eventually appearance of profoundness can be encashed for more practical goodies in life. They are occasionally curious but by and large happy with the locally available gods to answer their prayers. They think they know-it-all and do not require any further inputs in this subject. If you don't belong to any of these categories, you just might like to look at this article." The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 375 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.36 Rating: N/A |
May be an old paper but looks interesting ,familiar and may be nonsensical sometimes. http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/j6structures.html Some excerpts: In the West we tend to think of 'enlightenment' itself as an exceptional mental state, outside of (or separate from) ordinary states. But in many of the spiritual traditions of the East, enlightenment is described as, in essence, a 'realization' 9 about the ultimate nature of the mind. Enlightenment is really nothing but the 'ordinary' state, as seen (and experienced) from a somewhat wider perspective, as it were. This is not unlike how the Newtonian frame which describes events in the material world at a HUMAN scale can be conceived as enclosed within a wider frame of explanation that is Einsteinian. |
