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Sanman
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Kamal:

see .. ide froblem .. vaallu liberals kaadu ani neeku telusu .. vaallaki teliyaali ga .. thats the core issue !


im sure if they saw this thread they would get a hint. dont you.
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Sanman:

ok then we are neither talking about secular nor liberals



see .. ide froblem .. vaallu liberals kaadu ani neeku telusu .. vaallaki teliyaali ga .. thats the core issue ! :D
Tarali raada tane vasantam .. tana dariki raani vanaala kosam ..
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Kamal:

oh yeah .. my point was regarding religious beliefs itself ..


ok then we are neither talking about secular nor liberals
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Sanman:

that would make the stubborn liberals not secular liberals. in fact if their idea is related to religion THAT would make them a fundamentalist liberal. kind of an oxymoron if you didnt the pun from my previous post



oh yeah .. my point was regarding religious beliefs itself .. :D
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Kamal:

ofcourse .. infact, most of them are closed to any other thought other than theirs ..


that would make the stubborn liberals not secular liberals. in fact if their idea is related to religion THAT would make them a fundamentalist liberal. kind of an oxymoron if you didnt the pun from my previous post
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Telugu_times:


secular and liberals antay endhi?
peddha geddam gaadini, fekistan president ni seyyadam laantidhaa?



exactly baba .. inkoti endi ante .. Koolchesina Rama Mandiram meeda illegal Babri Masjid undaali - adi secularism .. Babri Masjid ni koolchesi Rama Mandiram kattali ante extremism ..

anyways .. Mani Shankar aiyar and Dogvijay Singh gaallu .. we are secular extremists ani seffukuntaar .. :D
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kamal
secular and liberals antay endhi?
peddha geddam gaadini, fekistan president ni seyyadam laantidhaa?
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Sanman:

are there fundamentalist liberals also ?



ofcourse .. infact, most of them are closed to any other thought other than theirs ..
Tarali raada tane vasantam .. tana dariki raani vanaala kosam ..
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Pplsuck:


naku already ee liberal, liberalism, libertarianism words confusing ante ippudu secular liberal ani inko phrase vachindaa ! what exactly is a secular liberal ? are there fundamentalist liberals also ?
also your friend's argument makes no sense. there is no meaning to equality in humans. forget about equal citizens brothers from the same mother are not equal by any means. there can be equal justice and equal opportunity but equal just doesnt make sense. "making equal" by itself means the person who is making it happen is superior in some sense.
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Pplsuck:

Guy: " All humans should work towards the betterment of others, equality and remove all hierarchy in society blah blah blah......."....

I: "But nature is hierarchical..How can we get rid of the inherent nature. Individuals watch out for themselves not others I guess. As a by-product, if others get better, that's fine. But I am not sure if nature normally motivates the individual of a species, to make others the goal of their existence"

Guy:"It is true about other species. But now humans are dominant over the nature. so humans can control nature and they should make sure everyone is equal".




atlas shrugged novel gurthosthundi idi chaduthunte.

individualism has more appeal and its tangibles are immediately perceived but I always feel individualism has some level of collectivism embedded in it.. I mean in a given set up indivisuals cooperate with each other to attain happiness.

aur rahi controlling ki baat.. i can only quote Dr.Alan Grant's dialogue from Jurassic Park - "Nature found a way"
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Jujung:

these are all various manifestations of the same selfish desire to make a difference to the society so that their existence will be remembered for long (self-perpetuation: the primary feature of any life form).




Very well said :-) It is true of any entity - individual or collective.Any collective, is a collective, because of the socialist principles that make it a cohesive entity - from a joint family at the most basic level to an organised religion/nation/organisation:-)

The only difference is in how much individual freedom is deemed acceptable and how much socialist(take care of each other) mindset is considered mandatory in different ideologies to ensure the survival/perpetuation of the collective:-)
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Jujung:


But at the end of the day, these are all various manifestations of the same selfish desire to make a difference to the society so that their existence will be remembered for long (self-perpetuation: the primary feature of any life form).


good post - yes everything is grey...but different shades do matter in society which values one shade as better or worse to other, or else it doesnt exist...So good will will stay and must stay.
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Persons who like to think they are intelligent often make these grandiose schemes of how to make the world better and inevitably end up requiring some authority to implement their scheme - the result of which over the centuries led to the development of organized religions/socialism/welfare states and lately NGOs.

But at the end of the day, these are all various manifestations of the same selfish desire to make a difference to the society so that their existence will be remembered for long (self-perpetuation: the primary feature of any life form).
The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery
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Pplsuck:

"But nature is hierarchical..How can we get rid of the inherent nature. Individuals watch out for themselves not others I guess. As a by-product, if others get better, that's fine. But I am not sure if nature normally motivates the individual of a species, to make others the goal of their existence"




But is this not what religions preach against too ? Morals and ethics are drilled into peaople to override this inherent nature - how is this specific to secular liberals - ardham kaledu :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
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Check this out. Sounds interesting.

http://www.4liberty.org.uk/2011/04/26/the-world-core-curricu lum-and-your-children/

I was wondering if it was just me or it happens to others too. In the name of political correctness, justice and whatever assumed morals and ethics, people talk outta their assx anipistundi.

The other day this was the conversation between another guy and me

Guy: " All humans should work towards the betterment of others, equality and remove all hierarchy in society blah blah blah......."....

I: "But nature is hierarchical..How can we get rid of the inherent nature. Individuals watch out for themselves not others I guess. As a by-product, if others get better, that's fine. But I am not sure if nature normally motivates the individual of a species, to make others the goal of their existence"

Guy:"It is true about other species. But now humans are dominant over the nature. so humans can control nature and they should make sure everyone is equal".

I wonder down the line if some secular liberal will say something like "Tsunami killed those innocent kids and others, so start hating and cursing the oceans, waves and NATURE for it"

I am not sure where all this is going. feels like some kinda Twilight zone.

Bottom line, gotta enjoy whatever insanity thrown at you I guess.

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