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was it even implemented in at least one school ? so sad.

Found better context - good job

Stakeholders Empowerment - Water Users Associations and School Education Committees (1998)

Following LOK SATTA's campaign for stakeholders' empowerment, laws have been enacted formally constituting and empowering water users' associations and school education committees.

LOK SATTA is strongly in favor of legal and formal empowerment of elected committees of stake-holders. Only when stake-holders become power-wielders, and those in authority have a stake, will the quality of public services improve. LOK SATTA's campaign resulted in two laws in AP empowering stakeholders:

Water Users' Associations are now formed as elected committees of farmers, and they are entrusted with management of local irrigation sources. The law proved to be reasonably effective in improving irrigation management.
School Education Committees (SECs) are now formed by law through election by parents of children going to the school. Parent's empowerment has been partial and sketchy because of the power of teacher's unions. Nevertheless it is a first step in improving school education. LOK SATTA is now making efforts to strengthen SECs by associating successful alumni, former teachers and credible voluntary organizations.
LOK SATTA is also working for empowerment of farmers in marketing committees, consumers in fair price shops and urban citizens in ward committees
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not knocking LS for doing the right thing. just curious as to the details of it. never heard of it b4. no point plucking feathers. definitely better than current system. i really dont know a law can be made an no one cares about it afterwards. shouldnt they repeal the law if they are not following it. also that doesnt look like a law. it looks like a proposal.





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Election Committees

A law has been enacted in 1998 to provide for some participation of parents in school education. By this law Parent Teacher Associations (PTA) are formed in all government and aided schools. Education Committees are elected at the village panchayat, mandal, municipal and district levels. A State level advisory body is nominated by the government.




The problem is with the political system that is not implementing the law properly. The problem is not with the law itself. You cannot simply ban the whole court system just bcoz some criminals are getting away with it.

Andukune politics loki vacharu, sarada ayyi kaadu.
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didnt mean to say your as kamal's. your as in anyone's life.
ee edava language lo okka word ki 10 meanings



dont worry bro .. naaku correct gaa ne ardam ayyindi .. i am talking from 'my' perspective again ..
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hmm .. hopefully .. one day .. "my" life importance gurinchi convincing ga ardam aithe chuddam ..


didnt mean to say your as kamal's. your as in anyone's life.
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Sare, adi Loksatta website lo enduku undi ante, schools ki local committees undali, vatilo public participation undali ani agitate chesi, law theesukochindi Loksatta movement.


not knocking LS for doing the right thing. just curious as to the details of it. never heard of it b4. no point plucking feathers. definitely better than current system. i really dont know a law can be made an no one cares about it afterwards. shouldnt they repeal the law if they are not following it. also that doesnt look like a law. it looks like a proposal.
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conditions to accept factual data



condition kaadu .. enduko ala anesaa anthe .. :D

Sanman:

i think you stop taking family for granted when you understand the importance of it in "your" life. not related to current topic but just my thought



hmm .. hopefully .. one day .. "my" life importance gurinchi convincing ga ardam aithe chuddam ..
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Law full text naku teliyadu, kaani basic principle cheptunna.

Govt schools ante janalu paripotunnaru. Govt school lo chadavithe waste anna thinking vachindi. Deeniki root cause enti?

Lack of accountability.

Schools lo stake holders are kids, and their parents. They have no control on how the school functions. Vallaki school functioning lo say undali annadi concept. Parents should be involved in committees that govern the school's functioning, standards, facilities etc.

It is not perfect, but a start in the right direction.




Sare, adi Loksatta website lo enduku undi ante, schools ki local committees undali, vatilo public participation undali ani agitate chesi, law theesukochindi Loksatta movement.
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Kamal:

there is no denying that most inventions that are worth a mention came out of private enterprise anedi oppukovadaniki naaku problem ledu ..


lol. why are you making conditions to accept factual data


Kamal:

it stops with family and does not extend to society ..


i think you stop taking family for granted when you understand the importance of it in "your" life. not related to current topic but just my thought
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endhi brother adhi law naa ? could you post more info on it ? why is it on LS website ? chaala bokkalu kanapadtunnai andulo




Law full text naku teliyadu, kaani basic principle cheptunna.

Govt schools ante janalu paripotunnaru. Govt school lo chadavithe waste anna thinking vachindi. Deeniki root cause enti?

Lack of accountability.

Schools lo stake holders are kids, and their parents. They have no control on how the school functions. Vallaki school functioning lo say undali annadi concept. Parents should be involved in committees that govern the school's functioning, standards, facilities etc.

It is not perfect, but a start in the right direction.
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contrast to popular belief, individualism does not conflict with family. you see your interest as a member of a homogeneous institution, the smallest being the family.



though .. in the words that you have chosen to put it .. it seems fine .. the problem with the very version of individualism that we see around is .. it stops with family and does not extend to society .. ! adi okkate problem .. otherwise .. yes .. rational ga individualism confirming to dharma (or some similar law) is good for all ..
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mana desham model different ani cheppanavasaram ledanukunta


science does not change from country to country. economics is a science
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privatization means zero govt interference unless laws or regulations are broken.


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This is already there in India. A law has been enacted in 1998 to involve parents in school committees to oversee functioning of schools, facilities, teaching quality etc. Sad part is that it lags in implementation, as usual.

http://www.loksattamovement.in/SCHOOL.HTM


endhi brother adhi law naa ? could you post more info on it ? why is it on LS website ? chaala bokkalu kanapadtunnai andulo
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are awarded based on corruption or nepotism


that is again not privatization if govt is "awarding" anything to anybody. privatization means zero govt interference unless laws or regulations are broken.


Kamal:

koddiga idi chaduvu .. http://www.swadeshionline.in/content/philosophy .. nee opinion cheppu ..


that is really good and suitable to any nation. contrast to popular belief, individualism does not conflict with family. you see your interest as a member of a homogeneous institution, the smallest being the family.

This part hits the nail in the head -
The Role of the State: Swadeshi approach sees the State as the primary instrument to protect the nation and its interests and a residuary instrument in respect of all intra-national matters. Its role is, as Bhishma said in Shanti Parva in Mahabharata, to protect the weak and to ensure that Dharma is adhered to. The state must defend the wealth and honour of the nation. Ordinarily, and except in order to protect national interests against foreign interests, the State must not be a trader; but must ensure that trade and commerce conforms to Dharma.

basically asking the state to gtfo of people's lives and trades.
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http://www.loksattamovement.in/SCHOOL.HTM



awesome ..
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Thanks..
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but when both consumer and producer are freely available, in this case parents want their kids to get education and schools make profit, govt need not do anything. govt schools should be run by local bodies and parent boards since they are the biggest stake holders in it, not the state govt




This is already there in India. A law has been enacted in 1998 to involve parents in school committees to oversee functioning of schools, facilities, teaching quality etc. Sad part is that it lags in implementation, as usual.

http://www.loksattamovement.in/SCHOOL.HTM
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gram swaraj concept and small scale industries are good concepts to promote local employment etc there is no doubt about that. Privatization of services is a good concept if there are some ways to oversee the program. India lanti desham lo it is next to impossible where everything (well most of them) are awarded based on corruption or nepotism and though making money through a business is a legitimate objective they very purpose for which the service is privatized is never realized
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Kindal:

as u said, total education system ni privatize cheyyali n govt. shld hav regulatory body.
oka village lo oka building kattinchi, 2 teachers 1 aayani peditee monthly maitainace including salary oka 80k-1L padutundi, daani badulu aa 1L aa village lo students ki scholarship gaa leka aa village lo chaduvu cheppe private institutes ki subsidy ga issinaa we wud hav had more educated ppl in this country



there is a difference between govt not interfering and govt outsourcing. outsourcing is the same as directly managing if not worse. when there is initiative lacking from people, which is not a problem 21st century has, there is need for more govt intervention.
but when both consumer and producer are freely available, in this case parents want their kids to get education and schools make profit, govt need not do anything. govt schools should be run by local bodies and parent boards since they are the biggest stake holders in it, not the state govt
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i am not against govts i am against big govts.



Sanman:

if the need is local, initiative should be local.



nachaav .. basic ga .. Hind Swaraj lo gandhi cheppina Gram Swaraj concept cheptunnav .. in essence .. I completely agree with it ..

koddiga idi chaduvu .. http://www.swadeshionline.in/content/philosophy .. nee opinion cheppu ..

Kindal:

total education system ni privatize cheyyali n govt. shld hav regulatory body.



ee madhya naa thoughts kuda ilage untunnayi .. but freedom is also dangerous many a times .. freedom ni use cheste vache laabham kanna .. freedom ni misuse cheste vache danger is huge ani bhayam vestondi .. when stretching the thought ..
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as u said, total education system ni privatize cheyyali n govt. shld hav regulatory body.
oka village lo oka building kattinchi, 2 teachers 1 aayani peditee monthly maitainace including salary oka 80k-1L padutundi, daani badulu aa 1L aa village lo students ki scholarship gaa leka aa village lo chaduvu cheppe private institutes ki subsidy ga issinaa we wud hav had more educated ppl in this country
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Kamal:

great .. what is a better alternative to a govt ?


the term govt itself is very vague. i am not against govts i am against big govts. the key is in realizing that govt creates more mess than it corrects and the fewer jobs it handles the better off a society is ani. put your money where your mouth is ani oka saametha undhi kadha. in case of govt the further it is away from your mouth the further away your money is. if the need is local, initiative should be local. eg: national security is not just local so state and central govts should be allowed to handle that. same with foreign affairs monetary policy etc. if someone does a poor job thats when democracy has an advantage over others.
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govt is a mere administrative convenience.



great .. what is a better alternative to a govt ?
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Kamal:

ye paper emundi .. lincoln ee anukunta .. democracy ni .. of the people, for the people, by the people annadu .. daanni koddiga extend chesa ..


govt has got nothing to do with democracy. china nundi dubai daaka anni countries lo govt undhi


Kamal:

nee kante ekkuva pay chese vaadiki govt ni ekkuva use chesukune rights unnaya? bcoz .. u essentially described a govt as a utility/tool/service ... but govts are supposed to provide equality to its citizens ..


govt does not provide any rights. it protects the constitutional rights. tax payer is a broad term. citizen is a better word. you could have asked does a handicapped person who is not capable of working and paying taxes not have any rights ani. those are rights granted by the constitution. govt is a mere administrative convenience.

Kamal:

and second di .. how should a govt act when there is conflict of interests between two people ..


it is not up to the discretion of the govt to favor one individual over another. it is done by courts and law.

Kamal:

evadu ekkuva pay cheste .. vaadiki favorable aa? i cant subscribe to that thought ..


if tomorrow a country forms its laws to that effect then yes it is the govts job to implement that. ee roje inko thed lo chusam kadha prisons lo high profile treatment gurinchi.
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ae paper lo annai



ye paper emundi .. lincoln ee anukunta .. democracy ni .. of the people, for the people, by the people annadu .. daanni koddiga extend chesa ..

Sanman:

govt is just a mere convenience when you dont have time to take care of your security and utilities. you are paying them so it is not a charity.



nee kante ekkuva pay chese vaadiki govt ni ekkuva use chesukune rights unnaya? bcoz .. u essentially described a govt as a utility/tool/service ... but govts are supposed to provide equality to its citizens ..

and second di .. how should a govt act when there is conflict of interests between two people .. evadu ekkuva pay cheste .. vaadiki favorable aa? i cant subscribe to that thought .. i see reasons like equality and justice for a govt to exist ..
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govt is just a mere convenience when you dont have time to take care of your security and utilities.


forgot to add protecting the constitutional rights, the most important function
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Kamal:

on paper .. govts (democratic or otherwise) are institutions existing only to make human lives better and life on earth meaningful anedi


ae paper lo annai ? i dont accept that. i dont accept it is not anybody else's job to make someone else's life meaningful or even better. govt is just a mere convenience when you dont have time to take care of your security and utilities. you are paying them so it is not a charity.
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Sanman:

but where do you think that excellence gets appreciated better ? private or govt ? to prove my point, see the greatest inventions in history by govt vs private businesses



first thing .. on paper .. govts (democratic or otherwise) are institutions existing only to make human lives better and life on earth meaningful anedi (again .. ideally thats why people need govts) manam oppukunte .. there is no denying that most inventions that are worth a mention came out of private enterprise anedi oppukovadaniki naaku problem ledu ..
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Kamal:

you get marching orders .. isn't it ..


going out of power is not neck on the line. losing business, life savings, lifestyle etc is.

Kamal:

somalia should be having the best govt .. you never know when the next coup happens ..


not about electing govt that involves collective resolve, not individual need but i get ur point. good point. made me think. if you are talking about somalia, talk about somalian private businesses vs somalian govt.
you are talking about individual motive when you are talking about drive for excellence. but where do you think that excellence gets appreciated better ? private or govt ? to prove my point, see the greatest inventions in history by govt vs private businesses
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Sanman:

the only thing that is going reduce prices is competition, not govt intervention



agreed ..

Sanman:

govts neck is never on the line. private businessses need to make choices every day to stay afloat.



so do democratic govts .. ideally, if you do not deliver the goods .. you get marching orders .. isn't it ..

Sanman:

as a general rule when your neck is not on the line you dont have a reason to do your best.



i dont think so .. pursuit of excellence is a virtue that brings the best out .. and not when your neck is on the line .. if so .. somalia should be having the best govt .. you never know when the next coup happens ..
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Kamal:


as a general rule when your neck is not on the line you dont have a reason to do your best. govts neck is never on the line. private businessses need to make choices every day to stay afloat. the only thing that is going reduce prices is competition, not govt intervention
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koncham elaborate cheyyava? if something goes global .. is it destined to get ruined or ruin others?
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I posted this in march --

jeevana dhaara ani oka collector garu manchi initiative tho local gaa success chesaru. now enters the govt. wants to replicate it all over the state. intent is good. but this is what is going to happen -
1) state govt minimum wages - way higher than other medical shop staff salaries
2) reservations - govt makes sure staff is not best qualified for the job
3) corruption - generic brand medicines tayaru chese companies tho kummukku. prices shoot up because now the commissions have to be included
4) over stocking - all shops get equal amount of medicines every month. no one cares if they are more or less than required in each shop because no one is losing any money either way

look at it after 5 years and you will know why govt is not supposed to do these kinds of things

i said 5 years but within 14 months -
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