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Anand_n:


BTW, Zakir/Shivkumar concert was phenomenal, deggira lo unte miss avvakandi



sure andi .. Thanks a lot ! Great that your son liked it .. :-)
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BTW, Zakir/Shivkumar concert was phenomenal, deggira lo unte miss avvakandi :-) Ma peddodiki - Indian instrumental asalu exposure ledu but he sat entranced for the 2.5 hours :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Oka level of maturity vachaka multiple versions chadavatam veru - childhood lo when belief is forming - contradictory stories chadavatam veru

If the parents are able to show them how the morals converge , well and good - but half the time parents do not know all the versions, which kids can pull up from Google either



You are right .. its the parents/teachers/society (which I consider as teachers as well) needs to know what is the essence of the epics, if they want their children to learn from those very epics ..

Basky_indya:

basic ga hindusim ante bhayam lekunda pothondi.



ee bhayam business endi basky annai? closed mindsets ni develop cheyyalsina avasaram ledu anukuntunna ..
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Kamal:

IMO .. there is no need to sit together and decide "portrayal" ..




Oka level of maturity vachaka multiple versions chadavatam veru - childhood lo when belief is forming - contradictory stories chadavatam veru :-)

If the parents are able to show them how the morals converge , well and good - but half the time parents do not know all the versions, which kids can pull up from Google either:-)

But like you said - its a matter of opinion :-)And then maybe it is good for belief not to be set in stone in the formative years and let it evolve when people are mature enough :-)I guess I see the pros and cons of both sides:-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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basic ga hindusim ante bhayam lekunda pothondi.

idhey cartton bommal,crosss gurinchey matladithey rallu teeeskuni kodithey..
sacchinattu moooskuni padi untaru or hindusim/buddhisum loki convert authar.
kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!!
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Anand_n:

These are not the old days where people got to hear only one version of the story and took it as gospel - now they have access to all the versions and the contradictions are confounding to most people- faith generally cannot deal very well with contradictions



I guess .. this part is wrong with Hinduism .. even since olden days .. people read many many versions .. and still Hinduism ki vachina problem emi ledu ..

I guess .. the beauty of Hinduism lies in its divergence of views in its epics .. while the morals converge .. ! IMO .. there is no need to sit together and decide "portrayal" ..
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:-) I think the time is fast approaching where a think tank of hindu gurus needs to get together to agree on the image of Krishna they need to portray - okallu gopikas are not real , they are senses and desires ante , inkollu how is romance possible Krishna was 8 when he left Vrindavan antaru, okavaipu Radha Krishna's relationship as portrayed Geeta Govinda , inko vaipu Radha is a manifestation of Sakthi so the pre-marital relationship is non-physical ani cheppevallu...

These are not the old days where people got to hear only one version of the story and took it as gospel - now they have access to all the versions and the contradictions are confounding to most people- faith generally cannot deal very well with contradictions :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Vjavasi:

idhedo Marxist dilectical analysis laaga vundhi



Marxist analysis kaadu oka maadiri psychoanalysis of male ego annattu.. male ego etluntadi ante - if you aint getting the dough you make sure nobody gets it..

so aa prespective lo chusthe - obviously some males during Krsna time got jealous and monogamy ni heavy ga push chesar and they made sure that future gens dont have to go thru the pain that they had to go through.
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Vjavasi:


idhedo Marxist dilectical analysis laaga vundhi



Vjavasi:

there is no material dimension of time since there is no degradation or decay.....



Aadi antamu lenidi kaalamu antaru aithe ..
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vjavasi babai, ee type lo leputhaavani threaddu title choosi voohinchalaa
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Getafix:

may be Krsna time lo society open ga undedemo.. i mean very liberal and outgoing where males and females have equal rights in choosing partners. Obviously some guys got jealous that they were not chosen by fems... so they made monogamy a moral standard.





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Kamal:

so what is the meaning of uni-dimensional motion of time? or that notion itself is wrong antara?






there is no material dimension of time since there is no degradation or decay.....according to scriptures in spiritual world one can dance and sing or do whatever they want to do for eternity
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may be Krsna time lo society open ga undedemo.. i mean very liberal and outgoing where males and females have equal rights in choosing partners. Obviously some guys got jealous that they were not chosen by fems... so they made monogamy a moral standard.
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antha mandi anni different places/times lo exist avutunnaru anedi .. interesting thought .. so what is the meaning of uni-dimensional motion of time? or that notion itself is wrong antara?

btw .. ee spiritual Ayodhya, Vrindavan, Mathura .. how do they exist today? Bhagavatam lo cheppinattu parallel worlds aa?
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Kamal:

Annamayya





may be in vaikuntam


Kamal:

Ramadasu





may be in spiritual Ayodhya


Kamal:

Kuchela




may be with krishna
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may be in goloka vrindavan with krishna



cool .. where is Annamayya, Ramadasu and Kuchela?
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Kamal:

ante .. where is Meera bai annai today?





may be in goloka vrindavan with krishna
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Vjavasi:

in bhakthi tradition there is no merger with God, devotees continue their relationship with God in his abode



ante .. where is Meera bai annai today?
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Kamal:

Krishna ki .. Nitya ki polika?? physical dimension leni love ki .. vonly physics and chemistry matrame involve aina Bi.P.C exferiments ki link ekkada undi?




Just like PSB proclaimed he is a manifestation of siva and sakthi ... Nityanand claimed that he is a manifestation of krishna ... before the VDO was out .. Nitya had a lot of devotees all over the world .... it was same kind of adulation, if not more, for Ntya also .. why are you degrading him??
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endhi saami .. just like the way ... meera ba/andal etc., worshipped krishna ... even ranjitha and others worshpped their version of krishna .. how can you dilute/degrade their bhakth ... adh bakth kada??




Nityananda Govardana giri ni kaani, himalayas ni kaani chitikina velitho ettinappudu krishna to compare chedham
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Kamal:

sweetest relationship ki .. consort/in love kind of relationship ee enduku undaali? Krishna ki Kuchela ki unna relationship ki .. Krishna ki Yashoda ki unna relationship ki .. Krishna ki Arjuna ki unna relationship ki .. Krishna ki Radha, Gopika, Satyabhama laki unna relationship ki .. theda undi .. but how can we say .. ye relationship is "more sweeter" based on the personal equation does not matter anukuntunna naa opinion lo ..





conjugal relationship lo nuvvu cheppina anni relationships vuntaayi (freindship,parental love, daasyamu)..anduke adhi top most ani antaaru....in bhakthi tradition there is no merger with God, devotees continue their relationship with God in his abode
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Chivuks:

just like the way ... meera ba/andal etc., worshipped krishna ... even ranjitha and others worshpped their version of krishna .. how can you dilute/degrade their bhakth ... adh bakth kada??



Krishna ki .. Nitya ki polika?? physical dimension leni love ki .. vonly physics and chemistry matrame involve aina Bi.P.C exferiments ki link ekkada undi?
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Kamal:

ee kacheri vere ravindra bharati lo pettukovachu ga ..




endhi saami .. just like the way ... meera ba/andal etc., worshipped krishna ... even ranjitha and others worshpped their version of krishna .. how can you dilute/degrade their bhakth ... adh bakth kada??
Zandu balm .. Zandu balm .. kondaru fans ki Noppi kalginche balm ..
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Chivuks:

even modern age swamijis and babas are also ... mixing and grinding bhakthi and rakthi together ...


ee kacheri vere ravindra bharati lo pettukovachu ga ..
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Vjavasi:

devotees like meerabhai, Andal worshped Lord in such mood




yeah ... even modern age swamijis and babas are also ... mixing and grinding bhakthi and rakthi together ... occassionally they have prb like nityanand though ...
Zandu balm .. Zandu balm .. kondaru fans ki Noppi kalginche balm ..
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How can exchanges between God and devotee be sweetest without some personal relationship between them.......while a devotee can have father or master relationship with other avataras the relationship with krishna goes further to conjugal relationship between God and devotee......devotees like meerabhai, Andal worshped Lord in such mood



sweetest relationship ki .. consort/in love kind of relationship ee enduku undaali? Krishna ki Kuchela ki unna relationship ki .. Krishna ki Yashoda ki unna relationship ki .. Krishna ki Arjuna ki unna relationship ki .. Krishna ki Radha, Gopika, Satyabhama laki unna relationship ki .. theda undi .. but how can we say .. ye relationship is "more sweeter" based on the personal equation does not matter anukuntunna naa opinion lo ..

Ramudini ni kolichina Tyagaraju, Ramadasu ki .. Krishna ni kolichina Meera/Andal ki theda undi ani anukovatledu nenu .. the connect with the divine soul is important rather than how it is connected .. kaadantara?
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Kamal:

suppose .. for suppose .. I have seen .. devotees of Hanuman, Rama and Ayyappa .. who believe that those divine souls are the "Supreme Absolute Truth" .. and they do not have the so called controversies, like how the writer put it .. but still they are the sweetest .. isnt it ..





How can exchanges between God and devotee be sweetest without some personal relationship between them.......while a devotee can have father or master relationship with other avataras the relationship with krishna goes further to conjugal relationship between God and devotee......devotees like meerabhai, Andal worshped Lord in such mood
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Vjavasi:

How can the Supreme Absolute Truth be all-attractive without personal loving affairs, of the sweetest type?



naku ee point tappa ... vere matter tho problem ledu ..

suppose .. for suppose .. I have seen .. devotees of Hanuman, Rama and Ayyappa .. who believe that those divine souls are the "Supreme Absolute Truth" .. and they do not have the so called controversies, like how the writer put it .. but still they are the sweetest .. isnt it ..

I dont want to cleanse or distort Krishna's life .. but my point is .. ivi unna kuda sare Krishna is sweet anatam varaku correct .. kaani avi unnayi kabatte sweet ante .. different faces unna divine personalities sangati enti?
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nenu kuda SSK emo anukuni lagethuku vacha ...

the more complcated is the logic, the more the apprehensions that even the author does NOT understand the point behind the logic ...
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nenu inka super star krishna emo anukoni vacha...




www.prajarajyam.org - The account has been suspended.
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Nice explanation

http://www.facebook.com/notes/devamrita-swami/the-krishna-pr oblem/212434845452987

"Why does Krishna sport in amorous pastimes, when so many persons can misunderstand these affairs, especially in India," a devotee asked me. In other words, wouldn't it be better for Krishna's public image and profile, if He were more, say, lackluster or indifferent in certain departments? Then no controversies, no complications to agitate mundane minds and their conceptions—people could more easily accept Him, unencumbered by doubts or confusion.

My answer: How can the Supreme Absolute Truth be perfect and complete unless pure, divine romance is included? Krishna is the supreme enjoyer, so why "emasculate Him"—that is, strip Him of His internal potencies and His internal affairs?

People commonly acknowledge God's creative, maintaining, and destructive potencies, so why seek to deprive the Complete Whole of His potencies for exchanging pure love with His pure parts? If you're actually a theist, then let's admit to the whole package.

How can the Supreme Absolute Truth be all-attractive without personal loving affairs, of the sweetest type? If indeed Krishna is the source of everything, then the trail of all relationship expressions we experience in the material world leads back to Him, the ultimate origin.

Without our understanding the full gamut of divine personalism in perfection, we have no choice but to remain attracted to the insubstantial, shadowy relationships of material existence. Hence, while praising God for His creative majesty or impersonal omnipresence, we will remain hopelessly embedded in mundane affairs of the heart.

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