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Jujung
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nation states madhya mathsya nyayam kaani nation lopala kaadu.. endukante antharjateeya rajakeeyam ane samudram lo there is no law enforcer..

US nation lopala every individual is free - possibly the most free in the world - to live his life and pursue his happiness.. nazi germany history chadivaka matladadam, comparison valid aa kaadaa anedi.. and again read my previous post#256 regarding why a nation should strive to be as moral as possible.. moral enough to sustain its legitimacy, but not so moral as to negate its raison detre in the sea of world affairs..
The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery
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Jujung:

Godwin's law so early into the discussion.. well played sir..




unfortunately I dont pay 2 much attention to every namesake like godwin to keep p with his trivial laws. As it happens only US to have the stomach for such post modern BS. Keep aside you wry remarks, can you kind enough to underline the difference btw ur nation state concept of expansion at any and every cost to that nazism??
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Jujung
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Der_schuler:

uncannily or the other , you voiced the same lines as hitler does in his mein kempf as his ideal of an empire.




Godwin's law so early into the discussion.. well played sir..


The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery
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Jujung
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Der_schuler:




individual humans are moral beings (by nature or necessity aa anedi let's leave it) does not automatically imply the representative nation states are so.. they may (or even at times pretend to) be moral, in so far as to generate support among individual humans.. but their actual goal is to further the interests of the people they represent..

which nation state is successfully doing this for the last 200 years or so? it's undoubtedly the US - balancing the moral acts with its goals.. undoubtedly the most free nation welcoming one and all to its shores and at the same time, pursuing its interests diligently..
The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery
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Jujung:

the only true goal of any nation state is to secure and further its self-interests.. if that were not the case, there would be no reason for its people to contribute their taxes and prop up a govt..




uncannily or the other , you voiced the same lines as hitler does in his mein kempf as his ideal of an empire. So now how can puny souls like me try to comply this anamoly of the wondrous kind with a democratic nation state ( lol to that) to that of a totalitarian ideology...I am sure you cant wait to enlighten me and I am all ears
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Jujung:

i don't think you really understand human nature let alone the idea of a nation..




enlighten me sire abt how you comply this definition of nation state seeped in "expansion is the best defense" premise (also famously called imperialism) with notions of morality, relative or the other.

U def come across as a relativist. If so, can you be so kind enough to shed light on why the cry babies from US wallowed in self pity when they were mauled by forces as unstructured as they come and made it an agenda to pique the world towards their self made menace of militant islam???

In the light of a imperialistic nation state, what is the value of a term of militant nationalism...is it not nationalism too???
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i don't think you really understand human nature let alone the idea of a natio


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Der dollin.. inga vaayinchu..


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the question of whether what the US did is right is irrelevant..
the US does what it does because it can and that is its only goal.. the only true goal of any nation state is to secure and further its self-interests.. if that were not the case, there would be no reason for its people to contribute their taxes and prop up a govt..
The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery
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Der_schuler:

When we rejoice death of any kind...there is a serious trouble for every devious death has a why associated with it....this blokes death has only one answer: "The greed of America."

If u dont answer that u will not answer the Q of militant nationalism ever




i don't think you really understand human nature let alone the idea of a nation..
The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery
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Der_schuler:




eti 40 billion exclusively osama meedha pettaara? ekkadundhi?
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Venkateswarlu:

asalu ee edaval eraq meedaki poyindi gas kosam ani talk kadaa?



gas price penchataaniki
CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER
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Venkateswarlu:

Papam majjalo saddam gaanni esesinru.. naakaithe chaalaa baadesindi aanni uri theesinappudu..




very true....anthaa chinna picchayya idea...aadu ee deshaniki yelaa pres ayyadoo.. aa perumaallakee yeruka!
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Der_schuler:

libya meedha attack plan chesindhe andhuku kadha...??


Idi ninna monna kadaa.. gas prices were way up since sam attacked eraq.. asalu ee edaval eraq meedaki poyindi gas kosam ani talk kadaa?
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Venkateswarlu:

but one thing i dont understand.. why the heck is the gas price going up.. deenekka..




danilo teliyakapovadam emundhi libya meedha attack plan chesindhe andhuku kadha...??
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Bushu:

all they did was train him just like they trained a bunch of other anti-russian fighters. and then they forgot. that was the mistake.




eti 40 billion dollars......train and forget ki use chesthara annai...aksharala 40 billion
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Papam majjalo saddam gaanni esesinru.. naakaithe chaalaa baadesindi aanni uri theesinappudu..

but one thing i dont understand.. why the heck is the gas price going up.. deenekka..
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Der_schuler:

the 80's-------they create a hero out of no where fund him




wrong. he came out of no where with his own money. all they did was train him just like they trained a bunch of other anti-russian fighters. and then they forgot. that was the mistake.
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the 80's-------they create a hero out of no where fund him ( to the extent of 60 billion dollars then)....the media props him with titles like "The new hero for islamic democracy"

comes late 90's-----He says....u move ur asses out of our holy land and stop killing my fellow citizens in palestine. The system doesnt like it. The funding is cut...sanctions imposed....and he is now no longer a friend...

come 2000's-------his death is rejoiced. The cycle thus is complete...under the garb of democracy, imperialism has its own devious ways.

When we rejoice death of any kind...there is a serious trouble for every devious death has a why associated with it....this blokes death has only one answer: "The greed of America."

If u dont answer that u will not answer the Q of militant nationalism ever

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