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Jujung:

jesus/muhammad/shirdi sai/satyasai/dalailama/etc belong to second category.




LOL...I did read your first post and that is where I didn't agree with you...

Muhamad made no contributions? You and I may not agree with lot of things in it....But quran is considered the best book ever by many out there....and atleast it is original....

and regarding Jesus...you want to believe everything the church says about him, including healing powers..but you will not give him credit for his teachings....what he taught may already be known to Indians, but to many in the west, it is new and original.

and Yes..Dalailama is considered a reincarnation of his predecessor by his followers, but he is not considered GOD; and he doesn't proclaim he is one... unlike sai baba goru..LOL
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Jcgaru:

so?




dude, did you read my first post? i clearly talked abt two categories: those who made intellectual contributions and those who inspired common people. and i clearly told buddha belongs to both categories. sankaracharya/jiddukm/st.thomas/ nietzsche lantollu first category ani kooda cheppanu. jesus/muhammad/shirdi sai/satyasai/dalailama/etc belong to second category.

do let me know jesus intellectual contributions. christian metaphysics came much much later with st. thomas etc etc - not from jesus himself.
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all the concepts that you take for granted today, i.e., God is in all of us, see HIM in yourself as much as you see HIM in me. love is the ultimate form of all worship, so love thy neighbor as much as you love yourself .. these were all concepts that this Baba managed to spread to his devotees. nothing revolutionary in concept but dumbed them down to the common man. THAT is his contribution. he may not appeal to you at an intellectual level but he has, to millions of people at their most base level. ultimately, human beings need hope. Babas like these give that hope to the common man who has no time or capacity to analyse complicated philosophies and resort to intellectual masturbation. when in times of distress, these people do a simple prayer, hope that things work out and look up to him as their savior. so long as he does not lead them to do crazy things, what's the beef?
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Jesus walking on water, declaring himself to be the son of god, today's easter celebration, healing people with his touch, etc etc gaining him followers and posing a threat to the then ruling groups (romans/jews/whoever) who in turn killed him - this is the Jesus who people follow and I am commenting on this person.. adi later church's creation aa leka his then followers beliefs aa anedi irrelevant for all practical purposes after 2000 years..

As for Buddha, I put him in the second category in the sense that he inspired not just people who philosophize and debate, but also lots of commoners just like all others in that category.. but i agree he's different..

Dalailama is considered a reincarnation by his followers just like satya saibaba..




so?

They all have contributed to religion and philosophy in their own way... Budhdha...he came up with his own ideas on the philosophies of Karma and Dharma

Jesus had his own preachings....Same withIndia loo kooda Krishna has given us Gita, Sankaracharya explained Advaita to us...Vivekananda came up with Vedantic Socialism.

What is this self proclaimed God's contribution? is my question.......
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ippatiki naaku okadu thagalledu .. nenu baba sishyudni neeku help sestha ani ...




prati voorlonu satyasai seva samithi peru tho seva karyakramalu, hindu dharma parirashana entho kontha jarigaayi sir.....chesina vallu andaru baba sishyule
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Jcgaru:

I don't think Jesus ever proclaimed that he is God...Christianity as an organized religion came into force much later...and that is when they attributed divinity to Jesus...I just think Jesus was a good man who preached good things, and in the process attained a few followers in his life time...

Coming to Budhdha, it is even more clear...He never proclaimed himself as God or prophet




Jesus walking on water, declaring himself to be the son of god, today's easter celebration, healing people with his touch, etc etc gaining him followers and posing a threat to the then ruling groups (romans/jews/whoever) who in turn killed him - this is the Jesus who people follow and I am commenting on this person.. adi later church's creation aa leka his then followers beliefs aa anedi irrelevant for all practical purposes after 2000 years..

As for Buddha, I put him in the second category in the sense that he inspired not just people who philosophize and debate, but also lots of commoners just like all others in that category.. but i agree he's different..

Dalailama is considered a reincarnation by his followers just like satya saibaba..
The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery
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enti bemi gadi icon ettav.....matter postu
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Jcgaru:

I don't think Jesus ever proclaimed that he is God...Christianity as an organized religion came into force much later...and that is when they attributed divinity to Jesus...I just think Jesus was a good man who preached good things, and in the process attained a few followers in his life time...



I'm not a kurradu :D
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Jujung:

Jesus, Muhammad, Shirdi Sai, Satya sai, Dalailama etc can probably lumped into the same category of self-declared gods/prophets..



Jujung:


buddha




ayyababoii...enti idhii....

I don't think Jesus ever proclaimed that he is God...Christianity as an organized religion came into force much later...and that is when they attributed divinity to Jesus...I just think Jesus was a good man who preached good things, and in the process attained a few followers in his life time...

Coming to Budhdha, it is even more clear...He never proclaimed himself as God or prophet...In fact, that question doesn't even arise as he was an atheist (If I may use that word).

Dalailama is not a self proclaimed leader either....He was picked at a very early age and taught and put through the rigours of monk life, so that he can lead the monastery when he is ready....He is a very well learned and knowledgeable person; not only with matters of religion, but also world affairs. His thoughts and books are well read and appreciated both in the east and in the west. He is not only a spiritual leader, but the leader of a nation, albeit in exile.

Muhammad - no comments...

To put Baba goru, Jesus, Budhdha and Dalailama in the same sentence itself is mind baffling to me!!
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Kamal:

orgz like Art of Living, ISKCON, Satya Sai, Kanchi peetam, Jeeyar Mutt .. ekkada veelaithe akkada poor people ki help chestunnayi kabatte .. the resentment is not so strong as to kill people who have the money and resources at hand .. in fact .. the security of the rich and affluent people in the society is at their mercy ..




vammo ... endhi ...
nuvvu seppedhi intunte ..

india lo rich ga kanna .. poor ga untene .. facilities ekva unnattu unnayi ..

oka RTI file sesi ... ee trust vallu .. ee ee areas lo .. entha karsu pettaro .. enni orphanages ki funds icharo ... kanukovali ... anni district revenue offices ki ellali .. adhe problem ... online RTI kuduruddemo sustha ... ooke gaali kaburlu denki ...
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Kish:

Ni lekka prakaaram choosthey Mother Theresa is the biggest God/Goddess



enduku??? she bartered her services with religion kabatta??? and nuvvu ane sexual abuse akkada leda??? kanisam religion ane exchange lekunda serve chestunna vallu matram lokuva aipoyaru ..

however .. her service is/can be appreciated ..
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manchu kondallo, cheekati guhallo sadhuvulu unnaru....vallu ghoramaina thapassu chesthunnaru...vallaki goppa goppa powers unnnayi...

year 2011.


don't ask questions.....enduku chupali neeku powers..??


jai AOR batch...



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Chivuks:


orphanages/old age homes lo ... entha % janalu untaru ... wrt total population under povery line??



India lo .. 60% people are poor .. some 40% are below the poverty line .. poor, impoverished and destitutes ki India lo kodaventi??? antha huge % of population ki roti, kapda aur makaan lekapoyina .. riots/civils wars jaragatledu chudu .. the reason being .. orgz like Art of Living, ISKCON, Satya Sai, Kanchi peetam, Jeeyar Mutt .. ekkada veelaithe akkada poor people ki help chestunnayi kabatte .. the resentment is not so strong as to kill people who have the money and resources at hand .. in fact .. the security of the rich and affluent people in the society is at their mercy ..

Chivuks:

corporates chesi .. babalu chesi .. NRIs chesi ... UN/World bank chesi ... enni unnayi saami ee orphanages ...



kuppalu teppalu ga unnayi .. orphanages .. prati oorilo edo oka charity/social service org untundi .. aina 60% population is poor ainappudu .. aa funds kuda saripovu ..
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Kamal:


Ni lekka prakaaram choosthey Mother Theresa is the biggest God/Goddess and even Satya Sai should do pooja to her every day!
If Cricket is Religion, Sachin is God
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pedda fashion aipoyindi ... ee statement ivatam ...
antha impact aithe .. edhi society lo kanapadadhe ...
ippatiki naaku okadu thagalledu .. nenu baba sishyudni neeku help sestha ani ...

advani garu ratha yathra sesthe .. millions vacharu ...

anna garu .. anti-graft ante .. millions vacharu ..

malla illa ki velli poyaru .. routine life ...

gudi ki elli dannam ettukunna ... 2 mins ee papam/punyam ...
gulla ki millions vastharu ... antha mathrana marpu radhu ...



If Cricket is Religion, Sachin is God
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Kamal:

neeku help enduku cheyyali annai??? what do u lack??? nee daggara ki vachi neeku help cheyyalsina avasaram emundi? nuvvu platform meeda padukuntava? udhyogam leda? tindi leda? diseased and lack human care aa? edi kaadu .. mari ninnu enduku help cheyyali??? this logic beats me .. his devotees/followers .. go to orphanages/old age homes etc and help those needy people ..




sampesav ... neeku help setha ani raga sulledu ante .. naaku ani kadu ..
in general .. needy people ki neeku help sestha anta raledu ani ...

orphanages/old age homes lo ... entha % janalu untaru ... wrt total population under povery line?? asala ee orphanage anadi ooriki minimum okati anna untadha?? entha mandi chestharu ee orphanages ki help?? corporates chesi .. babalu chesi .. NRIs chesi ... UN/World bank chesi ... enni unnayi saami ee orphanages ...

for example ... maa village lo .. ippatiki every alternative year floods/drought ... janalu nana sankalu nakutha untaru oko season lo ... illu munigi .. kottuku poyi .. oka sari kuda inledu .. aa memu palana trust ... mee illu badyatha maadi ano .. mee pinla kais ni memu attukelli sadvu seppi thindi pedtham ano ...

bangalore lo konni hospitals regular update vastayi news lo .. intha mandi ki free operation chesamu ani .. interviews kuda ippistharu ... ala kuda vinaledu ...
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Chivuks:


antha impact aithe .. edhi society lo kanapadadhe ...
ippatiki naaku okadu thagalledu .. nenu baba sishyudni neeku help sestha ani ...



neeku help enduku cheyyali annai??? what do u lack??? nee daggara ki vachi neeku help cheyyalsina avasaram emundi? nuvvu platform meeda padukuntava? udhyogam leda? tindi leda? diseased and lack human care aa? edi kaadu .. mari ninnu enduku help cheyyali??? this logic beats me .. his devotees/followers .. go to orphanages/old age homes etc and help those needy people .. neeku naaku help deniki? dukkalla unnam .. kasta padi pani chesukuni naluguru needy people ki help cheyyaka?

Jcgaru:

baba gori bhakthudu kamal



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ok...neni gym ki poyi vasthaa...bootul lekunda disco etti thread vunchandi if fozibl...vachi saduvukuntaa....
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baba gori bhakthudu kamal nannu hate seste prema saibaba gori aatma lingam ghoshisthundi
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Kamal:

who the hell can impact so many millions of people?




pedda fashion aipoyindi ... ee statement ivatam ...
antha impact aithe .. edhi society lo kanapadadhe ...
ippatiki naaku okadu thagalledu .. nenu baba sishyudni neeku help sestha ani ...

advani garu ratha yathra sesthe .. millions vacharu ...

anna garu .. anti-graft ante .. millions vacharu ..

malla illa ki velli poyaru .. routine life ...

gudi ki elli dannam ettukunna ... 2 mins ee papam/punyam ...
gulla ki millions vastharu ... antha mathrana marpu radhu ...
Zandu balm .. Zandu balm .. kondaru fans ki Noppi kalginche balm ..
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Meeru cheppina vallantha contributed at an intellectual level even if not at the levels of a Sankaracharya/Thomas/Nietzsche.. I don't think satyasai, shirdi sai etc belong to these categories..

Jesus, Muhammad, Shirdi Sai, Satya sai, Dalailama etc can probably lumped into the same category of self-declared gods/prophets.. Jesus probably had a few hundred followers in his lifetime, Muhammad a few thousands, Shirdi Sai a few thousands, Satya Sai a few lakhs, Dalai lama, a small country. Over the years, inflation etc adjust chesukunte they are all probably on the same scale in their lifetimes.. tharvatha management baagundi chesaru kabatti jesus muhammad baaga success ayyaru.. shirdi sai became reasonably successful in the last 20-30 years.. now satyasai's management will decide his legacy..

buddha is an exception in the sense he can be said to belong to both the categories.. with a good success in the first category, but reasonable for now in the second category..
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He had some power and charisma to reach such heights and mesmerising millions of people, with some controversies he has completed his mission and now his legacy will continue...
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i love you ani linkmaster neeku cheppamannadu


I hate you ani ring master kamal neeku seppamannadu
Navveti nakshathralu muvvalni muddhaadanga muvvaa gopaaluni raadhika..
Aakashaveenaa geethalalonaa..
Aalaapanai ne karigiponaa..
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Jcgaru:

So, apart from reciting a few lines from the age old hindu scriptures, Baba goru didn't really have anything new to say or to contribute....



naaku telisi anthe .. kaani that itself is a great great thing to do .. who the hell can impact so many millions of people?
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pulp if you are Baba's devotee, I am sorry to offend your belifs.

Nenu out of this thread
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baba goru prema thathvaanni bodhinchaaru...prema prema prema...anduke prema sai ayyadu...



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pedhdha punch anukunnaaava


punch lu ginch lu emundi le kani, Naa point enti antey He is not a God or God Man.
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edo annai ..

thread topic is what is baba's contribution to spiritual world ani ..

what is someones contribution to cabaret world annappudu manama DS gurinchi disco .. ok ?
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So, apart from reciting a few lines from the age old hindu scriptures, Baba goru didn't really have anything new to say or to contribute....

People still sought solace in him, because they wanted to....

anthenaaa? or am I missing something here..

Baba goru 9th class fail anukunta...no probs...but, Was he a well read person?
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see all current generation Baba's are using the name of Shirdi Sai Baba..

The real Baba or Phakir who used to beg for food and used to lead a simple life, trying to resolve the miseries of people thru his preachings and service...

He used to share all the money r food given to him with downtroden people and with animals...

He practiced what he preached...

His Name carries for generations.. so if you do something professionally using his name it will have impact..
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Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 04:43 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Edookati:

Disco Shanthi kooda tana dance latho millions of people ki oka relief ichedi




pedhdha punch anukunnaaava edo annaai ..
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Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 04:41 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Pulpfiction:

manassanti to millions ..


Disco Shanthi kooda tana dance latho millions of people ki oka relief ichedi
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baba goru prema thathvaanni bodhinchaaru...prema prema prema...anduke prema sai ayyadu...
Navveti nakshathralu muvvalni muddhaadanga muvvaa gopaaluni raadhika..
Aakashaveenaa geethalalonaa..
Aalaapanai ne karigiponaa..
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spiritual solace to millions .. is the biggest contribution of BABA
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he gave manassanti to millions ..
When the system is screwed up, a rebel is born. His id is 'edookati'.
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Jcgaru:


What is his contribution as a spiritual leader?



ee thread chaala paddadi ga undi JCgoru ..

6 million people (media says so) .. are his devotees .. and due to his teachings (which are derived from Hindu scriptures) .. andulo oka 50% mandi follow aina .. his contribution to building a good society and good world is immense ..

my 2 cents ..
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Keeping the street magic and the charity work aside....What is baba gari contribution to religion and philosophy?


for example...

Swami Vivekananda....no need to elaborate...the name says it all

Jiddu KM gurinchi cheppakkara ledhu....every book is a gem...

Osho or Rajneesh....You may or may not agree with him...he certainly is controversial...but he had radical thinking... a novel and clear thought process....

inkaa chala exaple vunnayi...People who have contributed to philosophy, theology and religion in their unique way...

manchi neellu, gunde operation lu ani cover drives kottakundaa cheppandi...
What is his contribution as a spiritual leader?

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