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Sanman:

i think the fundamental principle of capitalism is ownership of production by private individuals not the state or any favored state favored entity ?





this is just a textbook definition.....over the years it has developed necessary tools and institutions to subvert people and political authority......there can be private ownership of production, but to what extent and level should be determined by political and social authority
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Sanman:

ayina asalu feudalism oka political system. capitalism is an economic system. if you are against capitalism its natural opponent is socialism or communism. not feudalism. if you are for feudalism you are against democracy not capitalism.




feudals control local economies.....in fuedalism poltics and economics are inseperable......free market capitalism as practiced today doesn't like any political interference....it wants no checks on it's greed
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Sanman:

oka dharmatmudu king kaavaala ippudu India ki moksham kalagali ante?



ippude kaadu .. eppudu avvali .. India ke kaadu .. prapancham lo sukha santhulu undali ante righteous ruler undali .. he need not be a king ..

Sanman:

ee dharma yokka laws tenets principles emunnayo konchem cheppandi. idhi last 1000 years lo ekkadanna implement ayindha. capitalism socialism totalitarianism fuedalism ki mana alternative aa idhi ? is it compatible with laws of democracy ?



dharma laws/tenets/principles ni okka post lo cheppadam kudaradu .. having said that .. dharma is the right action - inka correct ga teliyali ante read Bhagavat Gita .. 1000 years lo "kottaga" vachindi kadu dharma .. its there from eternity .. many people followed .. prominent rulers who followed it closely are Sri Krishnadevaraya and Chatrapati Shivaji .. as i said before .. it evolved millenia ago .. not yetserday or the day before imitating some new philosophies .. it adheres to the laws of democracy to the "T" .. thats the reason Gandhi dreamt of a "Rama Rajya" in India .. the current constitution too mentions "dharma" and included the dharma chakra in the middle of the national flag ..

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yedyurappa na leka sushma swaraj aa leka prajalu kula MATHA bedhalu lekunda andaru okate anukune modi naa.



satire lu veyyali anukovadam lo tappuledu .. kaani there is a time and place along with the truth ..
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na mantro .. na theertham .. na veda .. na yagnah ||
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Kamal:

a system where capitalism is guided by dharma


annayya kutuhalam aapukoleka adugutunna ee dharma ni konchem explain cheyandi. oka dharmatmudu king kaavaala ippudu India ki moksham kalagali ante? yedyurappa na leka sushma swaraj aa leka prajalu kula MATHA bedhalu lekunda andaru okate anukune modi naa. ee dharma yokka laws tenets principles emunnayo konchem cheppandi. idhi last 1000 years lo ekkadanna implement ayindha. capitalism socialism totalitarianism fuedalism ki mana alternative aa idhi ? is it compatible with laws of democracy ? raaju evaru ? mantri evaru ? koshadhikari evaru. evaru decide chestaru. konchem cheppandi
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Sanman:

ponee dhimmi aa problem ni ela solve chestadhi in today's world adhaina cheppamante woods trees antaaru



ee dhimmi enti??? i dont get it .. anyways .. naa answer is .. a system where capitalism is guided by dharma and when societies have following dharma as paramount - moral consciousness itself eliminates / keeps in check - greed!

Sanman:

definitely not dhimmi or sharia



fine .. what is it .. name please!
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Zulu:

mari aa mukka meeda stress cheyyakunda..fuedalism elegant, glorious..spectacular..bombastic ante nalanti non-doralu feel avutharu





well, for local economies to become stable and thrive, some authority at local level is required.....if regular election is the basis then we will have cotinuous political,economic and social dog and cat fights at every level....just like beauracrats we can have election for the local team and they can continue till their retirement age....a mechanism should be evolved to recall members of the governing team if deemed necessary
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Kamal:


ayya .. pharma industry lo pani chestunna evarinaina adagandi fda gurinchi medicines/foods ki licenses ela techukuntaro .. leda food inc ani documentary choodandi .. aa taravata "western hatred" ani vere valla posts brand cheyyadam matrame kakunda "truth" matladochu ..


kindha oka 10 sarlu cheppaanu. failure of govt oversight, money buying people in govt have got nothing to do with capitalism ani. ponee dhimmi aa problem ni ela solve chestadhi in today's world adhaina cheppamante woods trees antaaru


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enti adi? :D


definitely not dhimmi or sharia
i am not insecure. i dont need a group to oppose a lie. enemy of my enemy is not my friend
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Sanman:

evaru cheppindhi. consumer health and safety comes first. fda lu fcc lu enduku



ayya .. pharma industry lo pani chestunna evarinaina adagandi fda gurinchi medicines/foods ki licenses ela techukuntaro .. leda food inc ani documentary choodandi .. aa taravata "western hatred" ani vere valla posts brand cheyyadam matrame kakunda "truth" matladochu ..

Sanman:

unfortunately there are very few choices when it comes to economic policies. only one of them addresses both science and ethics



enti adi? :D
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Zulu:


Over sight chesthe..adi against free market..


evaru cheppindhi. consumer health and safety comes first. fda lu fcc lu enduku

Zulu:

you cannot just brushway saying that it has nothing to do with capitalism


unfortunately there are very few choices when it comes to economic policies. only one of them addresses both science and ethics
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Sanman:

dont mind me asking but where do you live and why



dont miss the wood for trees .. :D

Sanman:

paatha vaasana vastundhi plus western hatred ane uppu konchem ekkuva aindhi



lol .. as usual .. matter pakkadova ..u enjoy .. mee taking off

Jcgaru:

mana style lo edhanna seppehe



tananaaney tananaaney .. tana taney taaney nainaa .. ela undi guruj :D
na punyam .. na paapam .. na soukhyam .. na dukham |
na mantro .. na theertham .. na veda .. na yagnah ||
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Sanman:

it just shows failure of oversight anna. got nothing to do with capitalism. aa michael moore gadiki mana chiru laga problem ardham aithadhi kani solution thelvadhu. vadi chikkudu ginjantha brain ki tochina solutions ni batti movie ni edit chesi mana mundu pedthadu




Over sight chesthe..adi against free market..government intervention..socialism, communism..ani bill oreilly godava pedathadu..antha veasy kadu..you cannot just brushway saying that it has nothing to do with capitalism
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Kamal:

The world is a strange and complex maze .. we cite some atrocities to condemn dharma, which essentially treats everyone equally and respectfully and also applies equally to everyone. We embrace capitalism in its present form - behind which the notion is - survival of the fittest - while throwing a bait of comfort and luxury to the future victim! The notion of survival of the fittest carries within itself a bias towards the powerful and strong. But the inherent fallacy in that theory is - no person or society is/was/will be "eternally" strong. Today's strong can be tomorrows victim and the world is simply a place where you have to fight from birth till death without peace - what sort of race needs that? not humans - beasts .. may be!

Having said that - if capitalism could be guided by righteousness/dharma/just - give it whatever name - thats the most idealistic philosophy for manhood - which while encouraging the human race to achieve excellence will keep a check on the moral consciousness of the society as a whole! Check for Integral Humanism!



Kamal:

na punyam .. na paapam .. na soukhyam .. na dukham |
na mantro .. na theertham .. na veda .. na yagnah ||


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Kamal:


think about Mon Santo and its monopoly driven capitalism ..
think about BP and its greed driven capitalism ..


again it is lack of oversight and regulation. capitalism does not mean anarchy. only when the govt fails bad things happen in capitalism. cant say the same about communism. stronger and stabler the govt, more individual rights are lost by people.

Kamal:

think about US and Europe and their capitalism ..


dont mind me asking but where do you live and why


Kamal:

holistical ga aalochinchi .. kichdi ruchi ga perfect ga undo ledo cheppandi ..


paatha vaasana vastundhi plus western hatred ane uppu konchem ekkuva aindhi
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Kamal:




sastrryyy...holisic, logistic...capitalism, imperilism...enti ivi...janalaki emi artham avutai...

mana style lo edhanna seppehe
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Sanman:

kichidi lo kuda mee post lo unnanni items undavu kavachu.



may be .. and yes .. I considered evolution as it is told in the west, greed of people, societies, corporations and their monopolies and nations and their imperialism along with "plain capitalism" because I thought they are all relatives in a family and birds of a flock ..

think about Mon Santo and its monopoly driven capitalism ..
think about BP and its greed driven capitalism ..
think about US and Europe and their capitalism ..

holistical ga aalochinchi .. kichdi ruchi ga perfect ga undo ledo cheppandi ..
na punyam .. na paapam .. na soukhyam .. na dukham |
na mantro .. na theertham .. na veda .. na yagnah ||
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Zulu:


anyways Capitalism - a lovestory movie lo choopisthadu..how a jueivenile jail operations were privitized..so jail profits lo undali ani..judge gadu(who was bribed) chinna chinna offenses ki kooda teens ni jail ki pampisthuntatadu that too for longer times. too bad too warast.


it just shows failure of oversight anna. got nothing to do with capitalism. aa michael moore gadiki mana chiru laga problem ardham aithadhi kani solution thelvadhu. vadi chikkudu ginjantha brain ki tochina solutions ni batti movie ni edit chesi mana mundu pedthadu
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Vjavasi:

i want local economies and individual freedom


you are looking for libertarianism the political form of free market capitalism
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kichidi lo kuda mee post lo unnanni items undavu kavachu.


Kamal:

we cite some atrocities to condemn dharma, which essentially treats everyone equally and respectfully and also applies equally to everyone


but who has to implement it? what is the process of bringing the torch bearer to the throne?

Kamal:

We embrace capitalism in its present form - behind which the notion is - survival of the fittest - while throwing a bait of comfort and luxury to the future victim!


i think you threw evolution, credit and a grand assumption into a mix. it is survival of fairest. not the fittest. why should the consumer favor someone offering lower quality of service. what are the alternatives ?

Kamal:

Today's strong can be tomorrows victim and the world is simply a place where you have to fight from birth till death without peace - what sort of race needs that? not humans - beasts .. may be!


again you are talking as if going out of business not being able to adapt to consumer needs is "being a victim". go buy sub standard products so the business owner doesnt become a victim. i dont think there is anything beastly about an incompetent business owner becoming an employee. what is beastly is a business owner being able to operate under profit just because he has the favor of king/feudal/govt
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Kamal:

The world is a strange and complex maze .. we cite some atrocities to condemn dharma, which essentially treats everyone equally and respectfully and also applies equally to everyone. We embrace capitalism in its present form - behind which the notion is - survival of the fittest - while throwing a bait of comfort and luxury to the future victim! The notion of survival of the fittest carries within itself a bias towards the powerful and strong. But the inherent fallacy in that theory is - no person or society is/was/will be "eternally" strong. Today's strong can be tomorrows victim and the world is simply a place where you have to fight from birth till death without peace - what sort of race needs that? not humans - beasts .. may be!

Having said that - if capitalism could be guided by righteousness/dharma/just - give it whatever name - thats the most idealistic philosophy for manhood - which while encouraging the human race to achieve excellence will keep a check on the moral consciousness of the society as a whole! Check for Integral Humanism!




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ayina asalu feudalism oka political system. capitalism is an economic system. if you are against capitalism its natural opponent is socialism or communism. not feudalism. if you are for feudalism you are against democracy not capitalism. there can be a perfect feudalistic capitalist societies but not capitalist socialist societies. dharma is not an economic system. i think it is something you practice, closest to the english word righteousness ?
i think the fundamental principle of capitalism is ownership of production by private individuals not the state or any favored state favored entity ? i don't know why people think that is bad
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The world is a strange and complex maze .. we cite some atrocities to condemn dharma, which essentially treats everyone equally and respectfully and also applies equally to everyone. We embrace capitalism in its present form - behind which the notion is - survival of the fittest - while throwing a bait of comfort and luxury to the future victim! The notion of survival of the fittest carries within itself a bias towards the powerful and strong. But the inherent fallacy in that theory is - no person or society is/was/will be "eternally" strong. Today's strong can be tomorrows victim and the world is simply a place where you have to fight from birth till death without peace - what sort of race needs that? not humans - beasts .. may be!

Having said that - if capitalism could be guided by righteousness/dharma/just - give it whatever name - thats the most idealistic philosophy for manhood - which while encouraging the human race to achieve excellence will keep a check on the moral consciousness of the society as a whole! Check for Integral Humanism!
na punyam .. na paapam .. na soukhyam .. na dukham |
na mantro .. na theertham .. na veda .. na yagnah ||
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Der_schuler:

lol@ of this sweeping statement......milton freidman kooda chepademo intha authority tho....


lol annappudu nee alternate thoughts endho cheppu. poster midha peda veyamante prati okkadu vestadu. daniki konchem peda unte chaalu. burra avasaram ledhu
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Vjavasi:

i want local economies and individual freedom




mari aa mukka meeda stress cheyyakunda..fuedalism elegant, glorious..spectacular..bombastic ante nalanti non-doralu feel avutharu

anyways Capitalism - a lovestory movie lo choopisthadu..how a jueivenile jail operations were privitized..so jail profits lo undali ani..judge gadu(who was bribed) chinna chinna offenses ki kooda teens ni jail ki pampisthuntatadu that too for longer times. too bad too warast.
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"i dont know if it even existed during the times we know very little about. we live in different age and time and the only fair and balanced system in today's world is market capitalism"


lol@ of this sweeping statement......milton freidman kooda chepademo intha authority tho....
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i am neither follower of right wing nor left wing.....i try to understand dharma




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right wing supporter vi left wing statement ichhav enti





i am neither follower of right wing nor left wing.....i try to understand dharma
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Zulu:

kastam emi ledu babai..kamedy ga undi, ante mee doralu mammalni palisthunTe..banchan dora nee kalmokkutha jai fuedalism anali antav..anthe kada..thats the only way to keep economies local antav..wakay..gadhar ki fone chesi cheptha undu.




my feudalism is different from dhoralu exploitation.....current situation is not any better......may be i should use some other name....i want local economies and individual freedom
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engilpis knaledgy(english knowledge) andam anukuni ala type chesa


geran lo thittav anukunna:D
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mastaru india lo feudalism example chudali ante b narasinga rao movies chudandi. shows the true picture of feudalism closest to contemporary times and tell me what was good about it. antarani tanam sati baalya vivahalu inka enno sanghika duraachaaraalu anni meeru imagine chesukune golden period lo unnave kadha





which golden period you are referring?.....if those times had few bad practices you could hardly find few good practices in current civilization
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neeku enduku antha kastam ga vundhi?



kastam emi ledu babai..kamedy ga undi, ante mee doralu mammalni palisthunTe..banchan dora nee kalmokkutha jai fuedalism anali antav..anthe kada..thats the only way to keep economies local antav..wakay..gadhar ki fone chesi cheptha undu.
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i think you have a very romantic view of the past which may be true also but you are asking for too many things. you want feudalism, wise and just warlords or kings, citizen rights, lack of greed etc. i dont know if it even existed during the times we know very little about. we live in different age and time and the only fair and balanced system in today's world is market capitalism




did i say we should have feudalism now?....... i am just trying to understand why feudalism was condemned and capitalism romanticized
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nee engilpil kaledgy antha soopisthunnava endi..





neeku enduku antha kastam ga vundhi?
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it's difficult to pinpoint individual responsibility, people hide behind systems, procedures, laws....they weave complex webs to insulate themselves.....no direct accountability..the foundation of capitalism is greed not dharma


mastaru india lo feudalism example chudali ante b narasinga rao movies chudandi. shows the true picture of feudalism closest to contemporary times and tell me what was good about it. antarani tanam sati baalya vivahalu inka enno sanghika duraachaaraalu anni meeru imagine chesukune golden period lo unnave kadha
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korikale gurraalaithe capitalism should be guided by dharma ani kuda cheppukovachu.





it's difficult to pinpoint individual responsibility, people hide behind systems, procedures, laws....they weave complex webs to insulate themselves.....no direct accountability..the foundation of capitalism is greed not dharma
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Vjavasi:

feudalism should be guided by dharma


korikale gurraalaithe capitalism should be guided by dharma ani kuda cheppukovachu.

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the advantages with feuadalism was economies were local and if you don't want to live under one feudal you can migrate to some other economy or society could organize itself and remove the exploiter


i think you have a very romantic view of the past which may be true also but you are asking for too many things. you want feudalism, wise and just warlords or kings, citizen rights, lack of greed etc. i dont know if it even existed during the times we know very little about. we live in different age and time and the only fair and balanced system in today's world is market capitalism
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Capatalism - westerm/christian

Communism - malli western..sickular..

Socialism - Western..sicular..nehru

so ivi eliminated by default..so migilindi fuedalism..daniki dharma..karma..ani nalaugu bhari sankrit words antagatti janal meeda vodalali..

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antey endhi



engilpis knaledgy(english knowledge) andam anukuni ala type chesa
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it's capitalism that needs standardized technology for it's operations and markets..


and what communism is shying away from the use of technology ? it is using technology to suppress the rights of people better. imagine if the dictators of the medieval periods had access to today's weapons and technology. no other system can replace the free choice of people. the problem we must address is the loop holes created by some selfish people who will exist in any form of government or economic system but will have a free hand when those who question can be suppressed using force
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.nee engilpil kaledgy ..


antey endhi:D
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if you like feudalism so much i am sure you can still practice it in rural India. hope you will find pleasure being in the receiving end of it.




feudalism should be guided by dharma and the basis is trust in inherent good nature and cooperation of human beings....in indian context feudalism had it's checks and balances, they became exploitative with the increase in number of super structures above them especially during british....the advantages with feuadalism was economies were local and if you don't want to live under one feudal you can migrate to some other economy or society could organize itself and remove the exploiter......common man has more independence under feudals than present manipulative complex structures......
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capitalism ni thittalante fuedalism ni pogadala..endo gola..fuedalism elegant endi omnamassiva..nee engilpil kaledgy antha soopisthunnava endi..
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where as these capitalistic structures are faceless monsters.......they manipulate system indirectly hiding behind so called elected puppet leaders


i dont know which philosophy of capitalism advocates favoring one entity over another. you are talking about those who abuse capitalism.
i dont know what you have against greed, but pick any profession and start offering services for free or break even. see how long it lasts. greed is the reason anyone would start a business, innovate, and employ. it is when the govts allow policies to be influenced by money and start favoring one corporation over another there is a problem. it has got nothing to do with capitalism. at least in democracy you can hope to send a better person next time. in feudalism only a tyrant replaces another. i am sure you never heard of a wise and just feudalist.
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first of all i don't think feudalism is better than any system including communism although both of them share a lot of common traits. if you like feudalism so much i am sure you can still practice it in rural India. hope you will find pleasure being in the receiving end of it. you dont want that life but you think it would be ideal if everyone did. if you are against capitalism in theory you should love communism. i dont see no long queues in front of chinese or cuban embassy for some reason.
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how ? change is continuous and 50 years from now people are going to look back at today as good old times and want this back. combination of communications and banking has made it easier for corporations to expand without boundaries. so blame technology not capitalism. if not show a better system




it's capitalism that needs standardized technology for it's operations and markets.......this constant thrust and greed for currency growth that's driving present world crazy..organized banking and stock market is the root of capitalistic evil.....
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no its not. you are talking about globalization. in fact capitalism was the only economic system in the world before railroads and telephones were invented. you didnt have unemployment and recessions back then.





nope...feudalism was the predecessor......that was a better and natural system than capitalism,atleast people could replace one feudal with other....people could see their enemies and deal with them.....where as these capitalistic structures are faceless monsters.......they manipulate system indirectly hiding behind so called elected puppet leaders......technology grew out of their greed not vice versa
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homogenization of thought,knowledge,culture,moral behaviour is a pre-requisite for capitalism to thrive


no its not. you are talking about globalization. in fact capitalism was the only economic system in the world before railroads and telephones were invented. you didnt have unemployment and recessions back then.


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it can't tolerate any dissent and everything else should be defined within it's framework....


i am not sure what is the context. i agree with you on religion but not capitalism


Vjavasi:

.man has no purpose and value other than being a market entity in the world of capitalism.....


again i dont know what other alternate economic systems would put another man on a pedestal against own interest


Vjavasi:

.feudalism is much elagant and more natural than this capitalism..........humanity should dismantle these capitalistic structures to regain it's lost spirit......


how ? change is continuous and 50 years from now people are going to look back at today as good old times and want this back. combination of communications and banking has made it easier for corporations to expand without boundaries. so blame technology not capitalism. if not show a better system
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you mean abusing of capitalism is causing problems. not capitalism. andamaina ammayi ni rape cheste aa tappu ammaidha rape chesina vadidha. abusers ni vadilesi ammai ni blame chesinattu undhi idhi.





the correct analogy is capitalism is the rapist and humanity is the one raped, but humans are blamed for not adjusting to their greed, artificial competetion and market slavery
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you mean abusing of capitalism is causing problems. not capitalism. andamaina ammayi ni rape cheste aa tappu ammaidha rape chesina vadidha. abusers ni vadilesi ammai ni blame chesinattu undhi idhi. the only fair, logical, ethical, effective, efficient mode of economic system is capitalism. most of the problems we see today are because of deviations from capitalism, not because of capitalism.
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homogenization of thought,knowledge,culture,moral behaviour is a pre-requisite for capitalism to thrive......it can't tolerate any dissent and everything else should be defined within it's framework.....man has no purpose and value other than being a market entity in the world of capitalism......he has no freedom and should run with clock just to survive
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it's exploiting humans, taking away their freedom, it's plundering mother nature's resources.......most of the evil in the present world can be traced back to capitalism and centrally organised religions......capitalistic orgins can be traced to organised religion.....since it's origin it has caused tremondous pain, artificial poverty and depravity.....so called technological advancement is just a byproduct of capitalism and greed ......man's life and behaviour are presently dictated by this monster.......feudalism is much elagant and more natural than this capitalism..........humanity should dismantle these capitalistic structures to regain it's lost spirit......

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