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>>Why Mughals and British spared Tirumala?

nanchari vundhi kabatti.
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Kamal:

enduku chesukovaddu .. interesting twist endi comedy ga? Hindustan lo Hindus ga bathakadaaniki jiziya lu .. twist lu (abaddalu) aadala? chass ..

edo oka roju kodukulu feel avutaaru .. yes .. I am saying thhttp://www.chalanachithram.com/discus/icons/quote3.gifat ..




andhuke blood boiling thagginchuko mantunnadhi... interesting twist undhi ani ninnu cool avvamanaledhu, renditiki relation ledhu.

btw, endhuku interesting anaanu ante, aa roju jiziya ani start chesindhi, ippatiki kaduthunaaru, even though we are not under muslim rule ani.


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Ee tulaks madhyalo Sri Ram temple kattinchadante, Ramadas magaadra bujji.
Eeyanaki intha dhairyam ela vachindo.



yep. not to take away anything from Ramadas, but the ruler is abul hasan qutub shah(he is the son of abdullah qutub shah, who tried to demolish tirumala). abul hasan was reknowned to be more friendly towards hindus.

not just Ramadas, Madanna-Akanna were the top most ministers in his regime. it is said that apart from the name, entire kingdom was ruled by these two brothers. Madanna-Akanna temple(Kali temple) was infact built inside Golconda fort, under this regime. idhi sooince KCR and ko, dappu koduthuntaru muslim rule was better ani
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Ee tulaks madhyalo Sri Ram temple kattinchadante, Ramadas magaadra bujji.
Eeyanaki intha dhairyam ela vachindo.
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oorike blood boiling chesukoku..



enduku chesukovaddu .. interesting twist endi comedy ga? Hindustan lo Hindus ga bathakadaaniki jiziya lu .. twist lu (abaddalu) aadala? chass ..

edo oka roju kodukulu feel avutaaru .. yes .. I am saying that ..
Jai Sri Ram - Jai Hind :-)
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Mental_sachinodu:


MS annai


Thana sekrame thana satruvu
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kamalai,
oorike blood boiling chesukoku..

there is an interesting twist of this diplomatic effort by the priests of those days. it seems, the priests could carry out the deal with the qutub shahi forces, but twisting the story of venkatesa-kubera episode. it seems they were able to stop the agressors by saying that the lord Venkatesa, promised to repay Kubera by paying the rulers of area, by the offers of devotees. it seems the same bond was carried over to the modern AP, and TTD is still paying AP government. idhi entha varaku nijamo naaku thelidhu, but I read about it in atleast three different sources.

It seems TTD library still has this bond intact.
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Sarkaar:

Above article lo eppudo poyyayi rayal vari naghalu antunnaru.



bongemi kaadu .. Rayala vaari nagalu .. last 60 years lo chaala poyayi .. pre independence .. britishodu kuda cheyyi pettadaniki venukaadina Tirumala, swatantram taravata brashtu pattesindi .. under TTD ..

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The lore is that muslim invaders stopped at the foot hills of tirumala seeing the varaha murthy idol. they camped in chandragiri area to attack the shrine on the mountain from the chandragiri forest side. it is during this time, the priests and locals struck a deal with the sultan, that they would be paying jiziya, if they leave the area to the locals, without disturbing. the amount that was agreed upon was supposed to pretty exorbitant.



MS .. naa blood boil sestunnaav .. kathi ko kanda ga narakaali kodukulani ani undii .. mana desam lo manam jiziya kattukunnam oka roju .. ippudu vaallake special reservations ichukuntunnam .. lucha gaallam manam .. thu .. siggu, seram, cheemu, nethuru .. ye kosaana levu ..
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the moghals did not reach that far as far as I know. Abdullah Qutub Shah, the ruler of Golcanda, during the later parts of 1600, did attack Tirpuathi region. I feel most of this history during these times has been lost, as they were pretty turbulent times.

There is some literature that was recovered much later.A vaishnavite poet's writings called Venkatachala Varaha Satakam, covers in some detail of the muslim invasion of tirupathi region. Apparently, the poet was distraught that it was a matter of time for the muslim invaders to reach the top of the hills, as they have already desecrated the temples of lower tirupathi. In the satakam, he pleads and insults his lord, that he is allowing such atrocities to happen to his followers.

The lore is that muslim invaders stopped at the foot hills of tirumala seeing the varaha murthy idol. they camped in chandragiri area to attack the shrine on the mountain from the chandragiri forest side. it is during this time, the priests and locals struck a deal with the sultan, that they would be paying jiziya, if they leave the area to the locals, without disturbing. the amount that was agreed upon was supposed to pretty exorbitant.

Also, there is another folklore, that the name alipiri is actually ali-phiri, a place where ali(the leader of the army leading the conquest) supposedly to have returned back.
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Ganjibenzi:

as per the following article:

http://www.andhrajyothy.com/mainnewsshow.asp?qry=2010/sep/27 /main/27main1&more=2010/sep/27/main/main&date=9/27/2010

Mughals are aware of the temple still spared it.

May be because Venkanna did not have enough money those days.




Above article lo eppudo poyyayi rayal vari naghalu antunnaru.

Kani chiranjeevi and chandra babu monna enduku pada yatra chesaru.

swami karyam tho patu swakaryam kalisi vasthayyi ana ??

Leka auditing lo YSR govt ni kummedhamana devudi peru medha?
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dattamina adavi and its very hard to reach and destroy..aa time and energy were chota spend chesthe can destroy and loot more ani anukoni untaru ....
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Bahusaa Tirmala temple ni attack sedhaamu anukunnaa Muslim ruler might have had premature death after which no other muslim ruler tried to do it..
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at some point of time they closed Tirumala Temple with walls outside as if it looked like tulaks's place ani ekkado chadivaa.

T batch daarunalu anni inni kaadu. okka SICKlarist batch ki matuku vaalla chestalu kanapadav.
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kamal maama ...afghan histroy emanna telusa ?

Heared it was hindu countyr ..once..

do yo know when ?



afghan ante .. mana mahabharatam time nunchi .. ~700 AD varaku .. "Gandhar" kingdom ..

as usual .. Islamic conquests lo odipoyina country ..

Hindukush mountains .. ante millions of Hindus/Sanatana Dharmis ni champi .. aa mountains meeda padesthe vachindi aa peru .. read more .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Afghanistan
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Kamal:


aa time lo kuda ..




kamal maama ...afghan histroy emanna telusa ?

Heared it was hindu countyr ..once..

do yo know when ?
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Madras was in moghal rule.. map lo chuste. .konchem across undi map..

i am sure somewhere ekkado nenu chadivanu.. Tirupathi was not in moghal rule.. kani dravidan king ruling that area had pay tarriff to moghal kings
Katthi.. Anthe Katthi ante katthi.

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sampakandi eshe.. Moghals rule Tirupathi area lo ledu.. it was not in muslim control.. as far as i know.. Down south lo antha.. dravidian kings rule chesharu..
if you take old moghals map.. only up to karnataka and kurnool nellor varaku unde..

other kings has to pay some tarrif ..anthe.. they were not under moghals ruling




ayite TN lo ela destroy chesaaru?
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sampakandi eshe.. Moghals rule Tirupathi area lo ledu.. it was not in muslim control.. as far as i know.. Down south lo antha.. dravidian kings rule chesharu..
if you take old moghals map.. only up to karnataka and kurnool nellor varaku unde..

other kings has to pay some tarrif ..anthe.. they were not under moghals ruling
Katthi.. Anthe Katthi ante katthi.

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Kamal:

they did not .. only that they were very very weak in India by then ..

aa time lo kuda .. Afghan/Pak/Bangladesh lo .. thousands of temples koolchesaru .. because muslims were still strong there ..




Makes sense.

Venkanna... Turks ni kuda tappinchukogaligaavu kani.. batch nunchi tappinchukoleka payaavu.

who knows?... may be he did. May be it would have been much worse if batch ruling were to be continued.
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Indiarocks kurrod di jaali gunde...konchem chedu nijalni jeerninchukoledu.....positive thinking ekkuva....Gandhi type idealistic....



annai peru Krishna Bhagawan aa? :D

practical world ni enduku choodaleru Gandhians? aa peaceful utopia gurinchi enduku day-dreamiing chestaru ..
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Vjavasi:

positive thinking ekkuva....



venky lo krishnabhagavan gurthochadu..nuvvu chetho thiney babu
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mughals south varaku rale.

MH/Golkonda varake.. south motham chota muslim nawab or tamil kings under anukonta
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neeku Indiarocks kurrod chesthilo ithadey..LOL





Indiarocks kurrod di jaali gunde...konchem chedu nijalni jeerninchukoledu.....positive thinking ekkuva....Gandhi type idealistic....
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Ganjibenzi:

May be by that time, they stopped destroying temples.



they did not .. only that they were very very weak in India by then ..

aa time lo kuda .. Afghan/Pak/Bangladesh lo .. thousands of temples koolchesaru .. because muslims were still strong there ..
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Vjavasi:

Tulaks temples destroy cheyyataniki money okkate criteria kadhu.....breaking temples and idols was/is/will be their sacred religious duty




Then, why did they spare Tirumala?

AJ article says its only between 1700-1800 temple area is under muslim rule.

May be by that time, they stopped destroying temples.
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neeku Indiarocks kurrod chesthilo ithadey..LOL




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.breaking temples and idols was/is/will be their sacred religious duty




neeku Indiarocks kurrod chesthilo ithadey..LOL
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May be because Venkanna did not have enough money those days.




Tulaks temples destroy cheyyataniki money okkate criteria kadhu.....breaking temples and idols was/is/will be their sacred religious duty
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as per the following article:

http://www.andhrajyothy.com/mainnewsshow.asp?qry=2010/sep/27 /main/27main1&more=2010/sep/27/main/main&date=9/27/2010

Mughals are aware of the temple still spared it.

May be because Venkanna did not have enough money those days.
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Cocanada:

Destroying religion was never an agenda for british




proffesionals... telsa... separate dept... missionaries ki outsourced
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tulaks kasibiddale kaani sala lazy gallu.. 7hills ekkali ante.. enduku le.. anukoni untar...


actually aa time lo tirupati kante SriRangapattanam baga famous.. tirupati recent ga oka 100years nundi baga veligipotondi..
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It is deep inside India unlike temples in north.

I dont think British ever tried to destroy temples. Destroying religion was never an agenda for british

Only muslims looted and destroyed temples.
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Vjavasi:

venkanna sami 7 hills meedha vunnadu kadha antha easy kaadhu





kani, akkada pedda protection emee ledu kadaa...
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Ganjibenzi:

Despite looting all hindu temples in the country, why did Mughals and British did not touch Tirumala?




Tirumala meedha kooda attempts jariginatu vunnayi.....venkanna sami 7 hills meedha vunnadu kadha antha easy kaadhu
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Onlytruth:

yesobu batch kummaru ga




Joharrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr mahaaanetha
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british valla kanna worst yesobu batch kummaru ga tirumala lo kuda
Sadaa Sivaa!Sanyaasii!! Taapasii ! Kailaasa vasii !!
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Posted on Sunday, September 26, 2010 - 08:54 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Despite looting all hindu temples in the country, why did Mughals and British did not touch Tirumala?
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