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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 03:08 pm:       


Ballasticmissile:



So, basically you want democracy in the west to enjoy the fruits being a minority there.

While in India you dont want secular constitution....also dont want proportional representation like EU parliamentary system ....so that 14% Muslims can elect according to their number.

All you want is they voting for parties you like which dont represent their interests...

In what way is it different from slavery??




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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 02:33 pm:       


Ballasticmissile:


if you support ucc then there is no discussion .. we want ucc we want abolition of polygamy Sharia..
Also if possible 2 kidsnorm per family all set for future no one bother about Mullah's any more .. fatwa ichina vadininkummi dobbali police station lo
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 01:57 pm:       


Ballasticmissile:

Why only lower castes convert


Evaru saar chepindhi ... Baa dabbulu upper caset chadukonlu kuda convert ayna vaalani naa bochu antha mandhi ni chusina

emina ante lower castes tag malla reservation
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 01:52 pm:       


Raman:

secularism with special rights like Sharia ni support chesavante nuvvu mamoolodivi kadu btw Hindus abroad never threaten local society .. Fiji lati chotla election gelchina tokkesaru..
Equal rights basis meeda majority minority sodi lekunda why can't we have a std construction like Australia or us? Polygamy ttalaq lativi sabhya samanam oppukodu attantidi india lo nadichindi nadustondi..
U think it is alright ? U can never compare the western kind of secularism with indian for the same reason




Who supported it...I am for UCC...

I am for many reforms like

proportional representation, delinking religion and state ...so no kapu bheema and no haj yatra...similarly no religions interfere in politics...

But mud in the form of caste always attach ...how to remove it ??
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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 01:31 pm:       


Agastya:

This is enough...I am done...this shows your grasp on subject...




You can nitpick as per conviniance ....and enjoy...but truths dont change...

Most Christians in andhra now are Dalits who didnt enjoy equality...and recent converts are from chakali mangali etc antu muttu castes....

You may call it varna sankaram...but I vowed not to marry anyone from my caste....because I dont want caste identity for my offsprings....i dont want to brainwash my kids on caste...

This dB is a sample why I hate caste to such an extent...everything revolves around caste....my caste EC...his caste mp....that caste this caste....

Why why should this exist why cant we simply discuss as telugus and elect a good person and discuss on policies rather than castes.?.

Most here point me pointing the caste....but convineantly ignore the revolution of whole ideas and ideologies based on caste.
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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 01:13 pm:       


Ballasticmissile:


secularism with special rights like Sharia ni support chesavante nuvvu mamoolodivi kadu btw Hindus abroad never threaten local society .. Fiji lati chotla election gelchina tokkesaru..
Equal rights basis meeda majority minority sodi lekunda why can't we have a std construction like Australia or us? Polygamy ttalaq lativi sabhya samanam oppukodu attantidi india lo nadichindi nadustondi..
U think it is alright ? U can never compare the western kind of secularism with indian for the same reason
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 01:13 pm:       


Agastya:



inthasepu disco chesaavantee ..
All is (in) Well !!!
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 01:12 pm:       


Ballasticmissile:

Why only lower castes convert




This is enough...I am done...this shows your grasp on subject...

 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 01:05 pm:       


Agastya:

I stand for removal of secularism from.preamble...




Then there ends the matter ...its your opinion.

Agastya:

India and Pakistan got seperated based on religion? Why secularism now when founding fathers do not want it in preamble?




Same founding fathers also propagated for minorities to stay and they will be treated equally...read it..didnt many say they are also the part of our society...didnt they say Muslims, Anglo Indians, Christians can live freely and harmoniously ?? They promised it...they didnt call India the hindu democracy like Pakistan naming itself as Islamic republic....

You also must study the topic...else watch republic tv lecture series named samvidhan...


Agastya:

India is a functioning democracy, do you dare to say that it is not? You can draw parallels from near to homogeneous societies ...it is your lack of basic sense if you do so...




Yes its functioning as of 2020 with secular word for 44 years....its you who is trying to change the functioning democratic structure.

Agastya:

If you bring in caste to divert the topic you get what you deserve..




Whether you like it or not caste is the basis on which Indian society is divided....Muslims or Christians dont have caste in other countries...but here caste penetrated them too and they discriminate based on caste...poor converts are double fxucked...

Why only lower castes convert...why cant you give them equality...is discussing about equality for everyone in society such a pain for you ??

Tell me whats wrong in discussing about caste which is the root cause of all sorrows in indian society??

How is it diversion ?? Most converts are lower castes which increase the numbers of other religions ...if you gave equality no converts no problems in any form...

Ping me when a mala, madiga becomes shankara of amnaya peetas...tell me when chakali, mangali becomes a priest in Varanasi....

Then we will make sure no conversions happen and Abrahamic religions dont increase their number...

Till then your ramblings are simply the arguments of a sore loser who lost his power of authority in secular India and trying to regain it my dubious means.
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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 12:55 pm:       


Gsn1:

All the religions have flaws, so when you criticize/praise, do that for ALL THE RELIGIONS and that is what being SECULAR means.




What if one religion has more flaws and people start criticizing it more than other religion? Does that mean secularism is dead? Don’t say every religion has equal number of flaws.
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 12:40 pm:       


Agastya:

Ikkada caste enduku vachhindra Antla vedhava ..nee mamma parri...gaali naa kodaka...kutta mooskoni subject meeda maatladu...lekunte raadu babu ani moosko...



Rules matladetappudu matram India lo andariki English vachestadee!! -- Chotu aka Pebbi from Ek Niranjan
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 12:13 pm:       

North Korea peru lo democratic republic anuntundi antha matrana adi democracy aipoinda. India eppudu secular ga ledu, socialist ga ledu oorike aa padalu petti janalanu confuse cheyyadam enduku teeseyyandi
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 12:11 pm:       

Preamble lo emunte entanta, government avemaina patistonda. Itlanti pani leni mangalam controversies baga alavataipoinai bjp vallaku janala focus ni divert cheyadaniki
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 12:07 pm:       


Ballasticmissile:

You cant stand on anything.....being a hypocrite.....




You are double hypocrite...I stand for removal of secularism from.preamble...

Ballasticmissile:

You dont want to discuss past examples




India and Pakistan got seperated based on religion? Why secularism now when founding fathers do not want it in preamble?


Ballasticmissile:

You dont want examples of other democracies which are functioning excellently




India is a functioning democracy, do you dare to say that it is not? You can draw parallels from near to homogeneous societies ...it is your lack of basic sense if you do so...


Ballasticmissile:

start abuses not acknowledging the facts and truths ....



If you bring in caste to divert the topic you get what you deserve...please don't act like cry baby and attach labels if you can't take it ...
Gulp the fact...secularism was not there in India's constitution prior to 1976...
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 12:07 pm:       

How were people in india felt between 1947-1976 .. due to lack of secular word in constitution ..
baaga suffocate ayyi.. voopiri bigabaTTi bathike valla?
Secularism add cheyyagane haayigq voopiri peelchukunnara?
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 11:47 am:       


Agastya:




You cant stand on anything.....being a hypocrite.....

You dont want to discuss past examples

You dont want examples of other democracies which are functioning excellently

You want nothing that is functioning in the world...

But start abuses not acknowledging the facts and truths ....

Lol
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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 11:42 am:       


Ballasticmissile:

Another reason why secularism must exist....to protect people like me and other Sudra castes from extremists like you .




Secularism is not for castes...it is for religion...ee school needi?


Ballasticmissile:

You brought personal abuse and cant even tolerate bringing your caste




If I abuse you personally , why should you bring caste, this is age old practise for non Hindus to divert the topic....you are an epitome of that. You cannot stand on your stuff without bringing caste as secularism is nothing to do with caste, it is your self hatred and loathing towards certain section where you bark under the guise of secularism...if secularism is so great why do you think am edkar did not introduce it in the preamble?


Ballasticmissile:

protect people like me and other Sudra castes from extremists




Loser talk...did you face more brutality than Ambedkar? Why did he not introduce it in preamble then?
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 11:42 am:       

Confused

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If religion is created by man and gives some set of rules about how to live, how can they be equal.
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AGREE with your statement

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May be you r lazy to not read and understand those religions and to be on safe side you call them equal. I think religion is a political system and should be criticized like how we criticize a political party.
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Point being, you can criticize, BUT NOT ONLY OTHER RELIGIONS. All the religions have flaws, so when you criticize/praise, do that for ALL THE RELIGIONS and that is what being SECULAR means.

It can't be we pathivratha and them vyabichari type.
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 11:37 am:       


Agastya:



Well I just put a generic example ....


and always you show your higher caste arrogance....starting from first aggressive abuse ....talakaya nunchi puttananna pogara ???

Did anyone in this thread abuse except you ??

Another reason why secularism must exist....to protect people like me and other Sudra castes from extremists like you ....


Agastya:

You are biggest fool I have seen




You brought personal abuse and cant even tolerate bringing your caste ....which killed millions ....much bigger genocide than black slavery in history of man kind ....

No one is your subordinate....mind it ....
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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 11:36 am:       


Agastya:

Ikkada caste enduku vachhindra Antla vedhava ..nee mamma parri...gaali naa kodaka...kutta mooskoni subject meeda maatladu...lekunte raadu babu ani moosko...




All is (in) Well !!!
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 11:34 am:       


Gsn1:

ALL THE RELIGIONS are treated equally by definition and it is a GOOD THING.




If religion is created by man and gives some set of rules about how to live, how can they be equal. May be you r lazy to not read and understand those religions and to be on safe side you call them equal. I think religion is a political system and should be criticized like how we criticize a political party.
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 11:25 am:       


Ballasticmissile:

So, basically you want democracy in the west to enjoy the fruits being a minority there.



Let's say I don't...teesestaara...let them remove...all I am saying is UK context don't work in India..
neelanti psudeo labbey gallaki Indian context teleedu...
genesis teleedu...personals keltunnav...


Ballasticmissile:

Bapans like you can be ministers and remaining people can serve your




Ikkada caste enduku vachhindra Antla vedhava ..nee mamma parri...gaali naa kodaka...kutta mooskoni subject meeda maatladu...lekunte raadu babu ani moosko...
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 11:24 am:       

No matter what arguments are presented and what examples are sighted, SECULAR means ALL THE RELIGIONS are treated equally by definition and it is a GOOD THING.

On the other hand, if a state is declared as a RELIGIOUS based (Hindu state, Muslim state, Christian state etc.), automatically they are favoring ONE RELIGION over the other which will lead to persecution of people not belonging to the state religion.

Even though it is painful to be BETTER HUMAN BEINGS when excesses are being done by other religious fanatics, we have to remember we are NOT THEM, but BETTER. All these religious texts are NOT relevant to current times. Anyone can bring pieces of the texts and show they are still relevant, but I am talking about OVERALL.
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 11:10 am:       


Ballasticmissile:

either pork or beef



Mari dog/cat?? Western civilization is discriminating china on food habits.
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 11:04 am:       


Mandharam:

Freedom of choice �
Silly excuse

Freedom, choice antunnavu ante western secularism is thrash antunnavu kada




No, its the truth ....

True democracy doesnt discriminate based on food ....freedom of choice in basic needs is the foundation ...either pork or beef....we are a restricted society...in what way its different from monarchies of Middle East which dont have freedom.
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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 11:01 am:       


Mandharam:

o these nations sponsor trip to Kaasi or Tirumala?




Nope, no other country does it except India....

Again blame for this lies in basic foundations of Hinduism.....the caste...in what way its different from kapu bheema, chakali bheema, brahmin schemes etc??

The seed of divisive society in India lies with caste system ...

North people segregate physically....south people segregate by sops ....dis you question caste based schemes??

Religion based schemes are just in line with caste schemes...
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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 10:51 am:       


Ballasticmissile:


Thats a freedom of choice....




Freedom of choice 😂
Silly excuse

Freedom, choice antunnavu ante western secularism is thrash antunnavu kada
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 10:47 am:       


Ballasticmissile:



Do these nations sponsor trip to Kaasi or Tirumala?
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 10:47 am:       


Raman:

her election to parliament was cancelled due to a violation .. she can't do it democratically..




apudu parliament kooda avasaram ledu kada... court lo case vesi teseyochu kada? why is it still in constitution?
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 10:41 am:       


Mandharam:

Gadidha M em kaadhu
You lose your culture, language, religion etc to adapt yourself in the west

Tell me a secular western nation where you celebrate 'atla thaddi', 'vara Lakshmi Puja' or 'Govu pooja' during gruhapravesam

You are deprived of all of these

Deepavali is being accepted only recently

The thing is NRIs adapted to the western culture while secularism should have provided a place where no such comprises are neede




Thats a freedom of choice....

No one is stopping you from celebrating it...

You cant expect states to sponsor those festivals....

Of course I’m countries where Hindus are more than 10% governments introduced holidays for those festivities like mauritius, Guyana, Fiji, Suriname, Jamaica etc ....

Lol
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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 10:33 am:       


Ballasticmissile:

basically you want democracy in the west to enjoy the fruits being a minority there.




Gadidha M em kaadhu
You lose your culture, language, religion etc to adapt yourself in the west

Tell me a secular western nation where you celebrate 'atla thaddi', 'vara Lakshmi Puja' or 'Govu pooja' during gruhapravesam

You are deprived of all of these

Deepavali is being accepted only recently

The thing is NRIs adapted to the western culture while secularism should have provided a place where no such comprises are needed
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 10:25 am:       


Onlytruth:

religious state kindha declare cheyyali




Nations with majority following Abrahmic religions need 'Secular' label. Christianity and Islam don't accept other religions or atheist

Dharmic religions coexist with other religions. They are secular naturally
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 10:21 am:       


Agastya:




So, basically you want democracy in the west to enjoy the fruits being a minority there.

While in India you dont want secular constitution....also dont want proportional representation like EU parliamentary system ....so that 14% Muslims can elect according to their number.

All you want is they voting for parties you like which dont represent their interests...

In what way is it different from slavery??

Lets remove the Democratic system and go to ancient monarchies....Kshatriyas can be rulers ....Bapans like you can be ministers and remaining people can serve your interests as laborers....yetantav
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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 03:12 am:       


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she had a court order against her .. her election to parliament was cancelled due to a violation .. she can't do it democratically..
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 03:08 am:       


Raman:

she didn't do it democratically .. it was un democratically added




Yes, She should have followed democratic procedures. Elagu majority undi
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 02:34 am:       


Confused:


she didn't do it democratically .. it was un democratically added
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 02:30 am:       

Well no one know what was the meaning secular. Anyways ade time lo sanjay gandhi ku ni operations cheyinchadu which was good danikosam ayite ok
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 02:15 am:       


Enigmatic:

She did it through presidential ordinance aince there was an emergency.




Okay. But 1976 lo thanaki majority undi kabatti easy ga pass ayyedi.
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 02:10 am:       


Ballasticmissile:

actually....being living in UK and looking at how the democracies



You cannot compare UK with India...for that matter you cannot compare UK with any South Asian country. Trying to compare just as an act of convenience, is what arm chair commentators like you do.
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 01:13 am:       


Onlytruth:

religious state kindha declare cheyyali aa ?




1947 -1976 india and its constitution ee state lo vundo .. daanike velte saripotundi..
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 09:16 pm:       


Confused:



She did it through presidential ordinance aince there was an emergency.
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 08:48 pm:       

Apudu indira ki full majority unte.. add cheyatam lo thappemi undi? Bjp ki ipudu majority undi.. teseyandi.. I think what indira did is democratic if she had majority in parliament
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 07:42 pm:       

ippudu issue enti secular word ye vaddhu aa ? religious state kindha declare cheyyali aa ?
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 06:51 pm:       


Agastya:




I am quite astounded by your reply actually....being living in UK and looking at how the democracies are trying to hear the voice of every section..your post is pretty bizarre.
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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 03:15 pm:       


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You are biggest fool I have seen...look at the freaking constituent assembly debates why Nehru said we cannot have secularism in the preamble. European way of secularism doesn't work in India. Marx and Lenin ideologies cannot work, India itself is a melting pot and uniformization of religious principles don't work. Look if you want secularism to continue in preamble you need to have uniform civil code without which it's a mockery...

Thank god Nehru was not a fool like you India continues to have uniform criminal code at least...
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 10:36 am:       

Listen to this

https://youtu.be/9WFpN_qDocI
Achha ek joke sunaaoon.... desa rakshana kosam emergency pettindi IndiraMMMA
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 10:15 am:       


Mandharam:

Constitution should not enforce human rights



 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 09:52 am:       


Ballasticmissile:

degradation of democratic values




I agree. Democracy is supreme.
Let's make our nation 'secular' or 'socialist' in a democratic way
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 09:49 am:       


Ballasticmissile:

No one questioned till now.




Nobody questioned slavery for centuries. Does that mean slavery was a good thing

Illogical argument
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 09:35 am:       


Enigmatic:

Jarigindi ade. The word was inserted during emergency without any approval of parliament




Thats the good thing happened ...No one questioned till now...even previous janata party, BJp governments accepted it....

Present rambling shows the degradation of democratic values in our society.
Capacity vundi, laziness, and uninspired life is a waste of time.
YOLO kada....
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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 09:35 am:       

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-second_Amendment_of_th e_Constitution_of_India
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 09:32 am:       


Ballasticmissile:



Jarigindi ade. The word was inserted during emergency without any approval of parliament
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 09:23 am:       


Mandharam:

Emergency time lo without respecting democracy pass chesina law

Which is more important? Democracy or Secularism

1947 lo religion basis division chesaru
Constitution should not enforce human rights. It should be left to people in a democracy. If the people don't have right to decide what they want to be secular or socialist, then it is not a democracy.


In my opinion democracy comes first. Rest all come later


1976 did not change the people's mindset. The politics did worsen


In my opinion, whatever good or bad done happened during emergency should be rolled back. Otherwise we should be ready to accept anything that may happen in the future through emergency in an undemocratic manner




This is BS....

In a way you talk like our jaggad government....they gave 151 seats doesnt mean you can do as per your whims and fantasies......

Even in democracy there are checks and balances....these checks and balances are built to preserve everyones interests.....

In first Roman republic ....which is the first democracy...there are tribal groups just like our castes...Etruscans, Sicilians, romans, latins etc etc...then the nobles have higher voting powers as each group have one vote and as one goes down more people lower sections combined together will have one vote...this was a pitfall which ultimately lead to fall of Roman republic...

our modern democracies knowing these things built systems not to force brute majority on minority...that is the reason why judiciary exists and stall many laws which try to force majoritarianism...recent examples in USA, Italy, Hungary, Poland, Brazil etc show that how judiciary is protecting the spirit of democracy ...

Our constitution embedded secularism which adds extra fire power to judiciary...

Your post shows why we embedded secularism in our constitution...to prevent democracy from becoming barbarism.
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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 09:11 am:       

Emergency time lo without respecting democracy pass chesina law

Which is more important? Democracy or Secularism

1947 lo religion basis division chesaru
Constitution should not enforce human rights. It should be left to people in a democracy. If the people don't have right to decide what they want to be secular or socialist, then it is not a democracy.


In my opinion democracy comes first. Rest all come later


1976 did not change the people's mindset. The politics did worsen


In my opinion, whatever good or bad done happened during emergency should be rolled back. Otherwise we should be ready to accept anything that may happen in the future through emergency in an undemocratic manner

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