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Posted on Monday, August 10, 2020 - 12:19 am:       


Jp_rocks:

no more allowing muzzies to breed like rats




Tht is only one aspect.....bigger threat is conversions
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 11:49 pm:       


Jp_rocks:


Lenin pulihara kalapaku asala minorities ki Sharia avadarama ? Who allowed it in india? Can you allow it Australia?
Reggressive types polygamy triple talaq under age girl marriage legally sllow chesavru ga. .. minority bathakafaniki chadu upadhi vadilesavu .. communist le ee range lo tagaladite congress e range lo untadi ..
Fact Hindus 50-55% at max criatians 15-20% datesi untaru
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 10:32 pm:       


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hehe irrelevant and statistically insignificant..UCC pass chesi 2 kid limit pettali..no more allowing muzzies to breed like rats
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 10:30 pm:       


Jp_rocks:

vachindhi....less than 50 ayyevaraku idhe dialogue vaadtharu anukunta




Mana lanti vallu desam vaapis velthey perugutundemo. We should encourage next generation to migrate and settle there
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 10:20 pm:       


Vishwamitra:


excellent posts bro..my advice, dont waste time with spammers like ballistic..it is a tragic waste of your time..
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 10:14 pm:       


Bharat:

90% nundi 70% ki vachindhi....less than 50 ayyevaraku idhe dialogue vaadtharu anukunta


good one...muzzie nayallu population jihad tho kummutunnaru..
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 10:00 pm:       


Ballasticmissile:

Bump...

this needs a lot of disection....there are a lot of points to discuss which most here are unaware of due of ignorance of being a anglophone...


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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 07:03 pm:       


Lenin:

70% paina population eskuni ennallu edustaru minorities meeda...we will keep fighting for the rights of minorities




75% esukoni 25% unna minority upper caste OC's meeda edavatle communists .. idi kooda anthe
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 06:39 pm:       

https://theprint.in/opinion/want-to-preserve-secularism-in-i ndia-well-preserve-the-hindu-ethos-first/477972/
 

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 04:29 pm:       

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Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 04:24 pm:       


Lenin:

70% paina population eskuni ennallu edustaru minorities meeda




90% nundi 70% ki vachindhi....less than 50 ayyevaraku idhe dialogue vaadtharu anukunta
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 07:23 pm:       

TEST
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 06:19 pm:       


Vishwamitra:

ok alage kaniddam. so basically up until we adopted a totally western influenced constitution with some local flavors added to it Bharat was a savage nation totally aristocratic with some form of tolerance. So we added it to our constitution under the garb of emergency and we are better off antaru. So we do not have to explain our tolerance in allowing the jews to come and settle on our lands long time ago, parsis to come and settle here when driven away from their homeland, christians to come and settle down and propagate their religion. It was only until we drew up our modern constitution that we were unaware of concept of secularism and co-existence. - anni etti dandalu ettati meeku.



Bump...

this needs a lot of disection....there are a lot of points to discuss which most here are unaware of due of ignorance of being a anglophone...
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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 11:14 am:       

Sekhar Guptas view

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9WFpN_qDocI

Commie secularism is dead! Main stream parties Mocking hinduism is dead! Beginning of true secularism starts now!
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 09:14 am:       


Agastya:


I will create another thread what I meant



Ee thread lo ne cheppu what you meant
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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 05:23 am:       


Raman:




I will create another thread what I meant
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 04:13 am:       


Agastya:


annai aa time lo hindu ane wordce ledu rajulu rajyalu .. no other religion .. demudi meeda bhakti unte rendu gopuralu extra kadataru gani pakka rajuni enduku vadultaar
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 04:10 am:       


Mandharam:



Medieval ages lo why Hindus list so many wars? This gave a notion that Hindus cannot govern themselves....
Look at every war...Hindus did strategic blunders...even this secularism is a strategic blunder...
 

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Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 03:10 am:       

How can a secular India be divided and form 2 muslim nations (Pak and Bangladesh)?

What is the basis of this division?
Is it secular?
 

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Posted on Friday, August 07, 2020 - 12:43 am:       

Secularism sintakay pachadi... End of day these guys will lick anyone but hindus. Then they blame hindus for world problems... Problems of west...


Supreme Court verdict Ichey varuku temple kattaledu chudandi adi secularism antey.


Tirumala lo isro rockets ki pooja cheyinchinappudu chanakal guddukunnaru... Mari ippudu desa pradhaani vachi temple ki bhoomi pooja chesthey naoppi endi?
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Posted on Friday, August 07, 2020 - 12:35 am:       

@Raman uncle Half breed gaadi idelogy problems!

Ambedkar PM ayyi vunte INdia different levello vundi vundedi! mana upper casettes anni nehru ganne support chesaru!
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Posted on Friday, August 07, 2020 - 12:30 am:       

Secularist hindu gallanta pichinayallu ekkada undaru .. Islam openly anti secular yet manollu pick them with honey.. asala desamlo Sharia enduku vachindi .. mana politcians tappu founding fathers of the country lacked vision .. okka baba Saheb matrame ucc koradu.. congress napunsak gallu votes kosam side chesaru
 

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Posted on Friday, August 07, 2020 - 12:26 am:       

lafdalo secularism!!!

Hindus govern cheshtunnappudu & Majority Hindus vunnappudu secular ga vunnaru! Tulaks attacks tarvatha temples destruct chesi mosques kattinchi, convert chesi, archakalu, loots chesi, kingdoms establish chesthe, vatini choopinchi secularism antunnaru!

intha kalam half breed gaadu policies ni follow ayyi, oo honey vesukuni nakesi ikkkadaki techaru!!!!

Secularism ante anni mathalanu gowravinchatam, power lo vunnnappdu vere religions ni respect cheyyatam anthe gaani destruct loot jesi valla churches mosques kattukomani kaadu!!!

This secularism must die!
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Posted on Friday, August 07, 2020 - 12:13 am:       

No mosque allows women entry along with husband yet they complain about a specific temple down south as a symbol of mc ..
Asala secular ani cheppukunevallu enta edavalante Edo world muslim debates lo kuda ladies with periods not allowed in hindu temples ani argue chese junta .. kaani mosque loki same door entry for women not there anywhere ..
 

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Posted on Friday, August 07, 2020 - 12:09 am:       

Lafdalo constitution .. it talks about gender equality yet conveniently it some how supports polygamy ..which is a blot to the society.. one way divorce called triple talaq again shameless secular supporters supported it.
UCC which actually advocates equality among a ll is a taboo for secular forces ..bethi meeda topi or burqua supported and argued it is same as sindhoor a religious symbol..

Eellaki mind poorthiga denkesindi anadaniki intakanna nidarsanam emi kavali..
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 11:29 pm:       


Vishvak:




Adi distorted meaning in India

Secularism means state should be equi distant from all religions

India lo prathi okkadu nenu secular nenu secular antaadu ado pedda joke, because a person can't be secular

Abrahamic religions won't consider all religions as equal
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 09:39 pm:       


Vishvak:

Secularism ante inka sarvamata samanatvam... Anni mataalu samanamga choodali anukonna...


adey asking sami where is equality ani?

1. Hindu temples under govt control - no such controls on waqf boards or churches
2. Hindu personal law brought under ambit of IPC - no such thing for others
3. According to our constitution there is nothing such as a minority status accorded to Islam in it. The Constitution actually conceives 'minority' as an open category to protect the interests of various religious, linguistic and culturally distinctive groups. Hence, there is no possibility to think of Muslims as a permanent minority in the constitutional schema.
4. If minority card is to be applied then some states have muslim majority / christian majority nobody talks of minority hindus there.

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 06:52 pm:       


Vishwamitra:


Secularism ante inka sarvamata samanatvam... Anni mataalu samanamga choodali anukonna...

Vi veri universum vivus vici
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 06:43 pm:       

Thokkalo titles petti threads veyyatam danni janalu supportu.
Muslims creating chaos by terrorism all over the world is ok, but Hindus building temple in their own country is fascism and barbarism. There are dozens of Arab Nations, but one nation can't be hindu!

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 06:16 pm:       

Till u guys don't respect hindus and hindu believers joy.. U guys can't call yourself secular. Whoever says secularism you have to respect all religions. But all I see is hindu hatred.

Please stop hating us.
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 06:12 pm:       

Yes death of secularism. Inni 100s of years tharuvatha ram mandir nirmanam jaruguthuntey.... Hindu religion ni respect cheyakundaa... Ulta maa religion ni thiduthu... Mammalni ccehthaga chustu e comments e hatred on hindus chustha a untey where is secularism... Where are those learned people ani siggu esthondi.
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 05:28 pm:       


Vishvak:

Secularism ante enti?


secularism means believing

that Jesus has brought Salvation once and for all, and that you get a ticket to Heaven by affirming that Mohammed is the final Prophet

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 05:24 pm:       

Secularism ante enti?
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 05:18 pm:       


Vipersting:

It's about the identity crisis of wanting to call India a Hindu country. Why should a country be attached to a religion ?




Actually there is no demand for Hindu country,but may be some Hindus tend to feel their rights are sidelined in the name of secularism and minority appeasement politics.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 04:48 pm:       


Teluguhero:

I dont want to restore India back when there was only Hinduism,but Hindus are expecting no minority appeasement polices and also govt should implement uniform civil code as soon as possible.




No, I'm not talking about the UCC. I would like that as well. It's about the identity crisis of wanting to call India a Hindu country. Why should a country be attached to a religion ? Just because some orthodox countries do that, doesn't mean we have to.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 03:13 pm:       


Ballasticmissile:

Basically youre tangled and thinking everyone is the same....your ideas are obnoxious

The previous monarchical form is an aristocratic structure....despite being secular/ tolerant form is not on which our constitution per se our society must function.

We formed a constitution...while writing constitution we took most ideas from western thought and added the essence of the existing Indian society to make it adapt to us...the ultimate goal of our constitution is to elude our society from then existing structure to a modern society.


ok alage kaniddam. so basically up until we adopted a totally western influenced constitution with some local flavors added to it Bharat was a savage nation totally aristocratic with some form of tolerance. So we added it to our constitution under the garb of emergency and we are better off antaru. So we do not have to explain our tolerance in allowing the jews to come and settle on our lands long time ago, parsis to come and settle here when driven away from their homeland, christians to come and settle down and propagate their religion. It was only until we drew up our modern constitution that we were unaware of concept of secularism and co-existence. - anni etti dandalu ettati meeku.


Ballasticmissile:

Many clauses are introduced for the same reason ...like under fundamental duties of constitution under article 51 A...

With the scientific temper as the society evolves we must amend constitution in more modern way....thats the essence of our constitutional debates....


before you do that argument, I will ask you go and read the Articles and specifically Article 44.

Bad eggs are present everywhere , religious bigots dime a dozen on both sides, similarly so called reformers who only try and reform one religion , so called pseudo-christian reformers who profess their faith in a religion whose existence and spread is totally due to their relentless wars on countless nations.


My concept of the UCC or mix-match of laws that satisfy the issues under UCC is simple- it must carve a balance between the protection of fundamental rights and religious dogmas of individuals. It should be a code, which is just and proper according to a man of ordinary prudence, without any bias with regards to religious and political considerations

rest mee views on my obnoxious are welcome as always
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 02:38 pm:       


Vishwamitra:

memu cheppedi adey kada - Bharata desham has always been secular and it has been proved multiple times in history of the country, we did not need to add the word "secular" in the pre-amble to justify it or institutionalize it. It was a political statement by Indira Ghandi.



Vishwamitra:

Christianity and Islam were political religions and still are - if you read their history it is pretty clear, if you dont understand that then sorry cant help you there. Religion ni bratikinchadam kosam patronage(kings deggara) teesukovadam veru, religion ni spread cheyadame objective ga pettukoni holy wars ni wage cheyadam veru ( migita rendu religions come in to that category).



Vishwamitra:

you are a confused soul sami




Basically youre tangled and thinking everyone is the same....your ideas are obnoxious

The previous monarchical form is an aristocratic structure....despite being secular/ tolerant form is not on which our constitution per se our society must function.

We formed a constitution...while writing constitution we took most ideas from western thought and added the essence of the existing Indian society to make it adapt to us...the ultimate goal of our constitution is to elude our society from then existing structure to a modern society.

Many clauses are introduced for the same reason ...like under fundamental duties of constitution under article 51 A...

With the scientific temper as the society evolves we must amend constitution in more modern way....thats the essence of our constitutional debates....

Secularism introduced as a part of constitution is a good thing keeping our history and also constitutional democracy in mind.

So, basically now by 2020 many things should have been induced in our constitution...like LGBT rights, euthanasia, etc etc....

But I doubt whether our present ruling class has such a broader outlook...all they can think is on religious lines....if you ask modi on any of these issues he would say amyam...

Most BJP peoples attitude is like you....struck in monarchical times....why should one respect schiindia or raje or who so ever....present ruling class patronizes the class society which is basically a varna society of revering certain classes....

I am against the ideology.
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 01:17 pm:       


Vishwamitra:

Ashoka father deggara enduku let us go to his grandfather - Chandragupta. You must be aware that Chandragupta embraced Jainism right, jainism preaches non-violence and ascetism and was total anti brahmanism. His son Bindusara was not documented to have any religious inclination (per records), he is stated to have preferences to brahmanism but he also had an ajavika astrologer and he also had edicts , so his affiliation is not clear. Ashoka history andariki telusu, he massacred his siblings to ascend the throne and continued his gruesome ways till kalinga war and then he "converted to buddhism". The use of Buddhist sources in reconstructing the life of Ashoka has had a strong influence on perceptions of Ashoka, as well as the interpretations of his Edicts, because All of Ashoka's reign and his glory comes to us from Buddhist literature.The only source of information not attributable to Buddhist sources are the Ashokan Edicts, and these do not explicitly state that Ashoka was a Buddhist. In his edicts, Ashoka expresses support for all the major religions of his time: Buddhism, Brahmanism, Jainism, and Ajivikaism.

If you read the Ashokavadana you will know more details about him


according to Ashokavadana even after embracing Buddhism he was involved in massacres of Akivikaism up to 18000 were killed, ila chaala unnayi. so the idea of a "peaceful" ashoka after adopting buddhism are not entirely true.
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 01:08 pm:       


Awara1984:

Religion was always part of the state in India




That is why nehru and others did not add secularism to our preamble...

To appease leftist "intellectuals" indira added secularism...
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 01:05 pm:       


Vipersting:

A lot of people have converted to different religions and have been living on the same land since hundreds of years. Do you want to restore India back when there was only Hinduism ? Lol.. Live in Reality




I replied to Lenin as he mentioned that Hindus and Muslims coexisted for centuries.My question is "if Hindus and Muslims really coexisted for centuries, why Pakistan separated from India immediately after Independence?"

I dont want to restore India back when there was only Hinduism,but Hindus are expecting no minority appeasement polices and also govt should implement uniform civil code as soon as possible.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 01:02 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

mari inka disco dheniki vunkl.. thats what i have been saying. there will be large scale opposition because of the plurality in indian society. whats the use of laws when people do not want it?


people will never want change , andukane anni archiac laws ni vadilestama? ledu kada so we have to keep trying

Mental_sachinodu:

the first Hindu code bill was proposed in 1921 as british did not get involved in civil matters. it would use english law, only in criminal offenses and any civil matters that could not be handled with local community laws.

the laws were do sanskrih scholars, i forgot the names.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3053005?seq=1

After independence - Ambedkar did the first draft of a reformed Hindu code bill, but iw as rejected by hindus, because it was considered anti-hindu. it was defeated multiple times and Ambedkar resigned. Ambedkar and Nehru jointly proposed UCC, but that did not even get to a point to be considered even with in congess, let alone pass the Hindu code bill.

Nehru eventually passed Hindu code bill. note this is not because Hindus wanted UCC, they did not accept even the current Hindu code bill.

We should understand, Hindus were not even as united as we are today. The sangh opposed hindu code bill, despite being a hindu bill. If it were not for persistance of Ambedkar and Nehru even that would not have passed. Hindu code bill was seen as a progressive minority asserting on the rights of majority Hindu. with in the congress party, Patel, pattabhi seetharamayya, malaviya were among popular ones who opposed even the hindu code bill.

Coming to UCC - during those turbulent times it seemed daunting for both Ambedkar and Nehru to continue with UCC.

precisely - the same issue we are seeing today wrt to UCC. I think UCC will happen organically as time passes. there is no reason to enforce it. Just the way womens rights got a big boost with Hindu code bill, we can still address women's rights .. and thats what BJP did with Triple Talaq.


enti sami, british ollu unnappude they started changing the law example istanu - Abolition of Sati law was done in 1830's, andaru reject chesaru and it went to review to privy council and was upheld, Raja Ram Mohan Roy argued in favor of abolition. Law came to be applicable in some provinces and some accepted it later.

Ambedkar did resign due to opposition to UCC true, he was seen as anti-hindu (because of his background) and yet he tried to define a modern India that had a common law for everybody, anni vishayallo Ambedkar ni quote chese medhavulu mari did not see his vision for a uniform law for all.

Nehru conveniently passed the hindu bill but did not touch any other personal laws (that is the gripe), if law changes it has to apply equally for all not just for one segment of the society. Seedhi ungli see ghee nahi nikaal sakenge tho tedi ungli se nikaalna padega. Concept of UCC remains, how it is achieved is being redefined with targeted legislation
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 12:49 pm:       


Ballasticmissile:

How can you say India is a hindu country??

With proofs one can say India is secular from atleast 2-3 millennia...

Ashoka father bindusara is a Ajavika.
Ashoka is a Buddhist.
Jains flourished in Karnataka, andhra.
Charuvaka or lose school of atheist thought represents Dalit ideology
Our tribals used to have folk religions either be it in north east or nilgiris or araku...they slowly converted to Christianity from 80s..
Christianity arrived in 400-500 AD and coexisted in Kerala.
Paris are here from 8th-9th century
Muslims despite extremists, gelled well with other religions and coexisted in our fabric for more than 1000 years now.

So, from past 2-3 millennia the place presently called is always a diverse and secular place...barring few incidents of forced conversion by Muslims...


you are a confused soul sami

memu cheppedi adey kada - Bharata desham has always been secular and it has been proved multiple times in history of the country, we did not need to add the word "secular" in the pre-amble to justify it or institutionalize it. It was a political statement by Indira Ghandi.

Lets run through your argument

Ashoka father deggara enduku let us go to his grandfather - Chandragupta. You must be aware that Chandragupta embraced Jainism right, jainism preaches non-violence and ascetism and was total anti brahmanism. His son Bindusara was not documented to have any religious inclination (per records), he is stated to have preferences to brahmanism but he also had an ajavika astrologer and he also had edicts , so his affiliation is not clear. Ashoka history andariki telusu, he massacred his siblings to ascend the throne and continued his gruesome ways till kalinga war and then he "converted to buddhism". The use of Buddhist sources in reconstructing the life of Ashoka has had a strong influence on perceptions of Ashoka, as well as the interpretations of his Edicts, because All of Ashoka's reign and his glory comes to us from Buddhist literature.The only source of information not attributable to Buddhist sources are the Ashokan Edicts, and these do not explicitly state that Ashoka was a Buddhist. In his edicts, Ashoka expresses support for all the major religions of his time: Buddhism, Brahmanism, Jainism, and Ajivikaism.

If you read the Ashokavadana you will know more details about him

Christianity and Islam were political religions and still are - if you read their history it is pretty clear, if you dont understand that then sorry cant help you there. Religion ni bratikinchadam kosam patronage(kings deggara) teesukovadam veru, religion ni spread cheyadame objective ga pettukoni holy wars ni wage cheyadam veru ( migita rendu religions come in to that category).

co-existence and islam do not go in one word. I can give you many examples for it
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 12:35 pm:       


Vishwamitra:

BJP showed what they could because they know that making a one-shot replacement with UCC will not be possible without large scale opposition, so slow ga piecemeal ga issues ni tackle chestunnaru.




mari inka disco dheniki vunkl.. thats what i have been saying. there will be large scale opposition because of the plurality in indian society. whats the use of laws when people do not want it?


Vishwamitra:

Nehru had no freaking clue that Ambedkars view would justify his clarion call for socialism but he did not want to antagonize hindus for sure. Rajendra prasad was against it.




lol.. you are being selective. not sure why.

the first Hindu code bill was proposed in 1921 as british did not get involved in civil matters. it would use english law, only in criminal offenses and any civil matters that could not be handled with local community laws.

the laws were do sanskrih scholars, i forgot the names.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3053005?seq=1

After independence - Ambedkar did the first draft of a reformed Hindu code bill, but iw as rejected by hindus, because it was considered anti-hindu. it was defeated multiple times and Ambedkar resigned. Ambedkar and Nehru jointly proposed UCC, but that did not even get to a point to be considered even with in congess, let alone pass the Hindu code bill.

Nehru eventually passed Hindu code bill. note this is not because Hindus wanted UCC, they did not accept even the current Hindu code bill.

We should understand, Hindus were not even as united as we are today. The sangh opposed hindu code bill, despite being a hindu bill. If it were not for persistance of Ambedkar and Nehru even that would not have passed. Hindu code bill was seen as a progressive minority asserting on the rights of majority Hindu. with in the congress party, Patel, pattabhi seetharamayya, malaviya were among popular ones who opposed even the hindu code bill.

Coming to UCC - during those turbulent times it seemed daunting for both Ambedkar and Nehru to continue with UCC.

precisely - the same issue we are seeing today wrt to UCC. I think UCC will happen organically as time passes. there is no reason to enforce it. Just the way womens rights got a big boost with Hindu code bill, we can still address women's rights .. and thats what BJP did with Triple Talaq.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 12:14 pm:       


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Why communists always tried to whitewash crimes of muslim rulers?




Why are religious fanatics still hanging on to the ills committed by some barbaric rulers ? That was the time of kings and their methods were atrocious. You want justice now for an act of some tyrant from medieval period ? Funny !

A lot of people have converted to different religions and have been living on the same land since hundreds of years. Do you want to restore India back when there was only Hinduism ? Lol.. Live in Reality !
 

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Modern scholars like katti padmarao etc say that charvuvaka darsan is an ancient Dalit ideology.




Interesting thought - will try searching:-)

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 12:01 pm:       


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In India despite having monarchies many kings either be it Muslim or hindu or Buddhist are secular



They were secular. But recent past lo mana desam lo abrahamic religion follow autunnollani brain wash chesi dobbutunnaru valla prarthana sthalalaloo. nuvvu ee madya kalam lo europe lo church lu mosque lu tiriginattu nenu naa engineering time lo tirigi vachanu. literal ga em cheptaroo telsaa akkada, mana prabhuvuni nammani saatanula madhyaloo batukutunnam, jagartha ga undandi ata. deenamma jeevitha. kallu bayarlu kammayi naaku adi vinnaka. ee temple lo aina ilaga cheptaraa? naa life time lo eppudu vinaledu or chudaledu. I am talking about places of worship, malla edoo religious gathering meeting videos or links vesi sampaku.
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 11:59 am:       


Mental_sachinodu:

first there are some trivialities here..

1) Sikhs have their own marriage act - called the Anand marriage act.
2) Parsi have their own marriage and divorce act

UCC is not just related to marriage acts, and womens rights have their own roles. BJP showed what they could do with Triple Talaq, without having to go through the behemoth of UCC and that is exactly what my intent is. we can address pointed issues in a much more decisively, rather than going through UCC as a whole.


minor differences w.r.t sikh and parsi acts but mostly fall under the same hindu law. Marriage anedi okka aspect sami, I just quoted to show the difference.

BJP showed what they could because they know that making a one-shot replacement with UCC will not be possible without large scale opposition, so slow ga piecemeal ga issues ni tackle chestunnaru.


Mental_sachinodu:

removing religious interpretation does not decrease the number of cases, nor the complexity changes. lawyers and judges do not learn new interpretations with every new case. these laws have been there for more than 5 decades now. there may be a minute correlation between the backlog of cases and UCC.

you have to consider why Ambedkar's UCC proposal was not approved. it was essentially deemed anti-hindu. Nehru opposed Ambedkar's proposal, but he was ok with UCC. Vallabhai patel, and i forgot the president's name, rajendra prasad probably were the ones who stood against Nehru for UCC, even though they were from the same party.


Nehru had no freaking clue that Ambedkars view would justify his clarion call for socialism but he did not want to antagonize hindus for sure. Rajendra prasad was against it.

Judges and lawyers do not learn new interpretations anedi not valid concept, all over the world based on new cases/judgements and changes in the law they adjust accordingly. settled law ki no changes needed except interpretations based on circumstances, adey basic law change ayite they have to learn accordingly and apply it and this has been happening for long time now. Definite ga backlogs taggali because now interpretation is common to all despite their religious background making it uniform applicability of law for all.
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 11:50 am:       


Ballasticmissile:

How can you say India is a hindu country??

With proofs one can say India is secular from atleast 2-3 millennia...

Ashoka father bindusara is a Ajavika.
Ashoka is a Buddhist.
Jains flourished in Karnataka, andhra.
Charuvaka or lose school of atheist thought represents Dalit ideology
Our tribals used to have folk religions either be it in north east or nilgiris or araku...they slowly converted to Christianity from 80s..
Christianity arrived in 400-500 AD and coexisted in Kerala.
Paris are here from 8th-9th century
Muslims despite extremists, gelled well with other religions and coexisted in our fabric for more than 1000 years now.

So, from past 2-3 millennia the place presently called is always a diverse and secular place...barring few incidents of forced conversion by Muslims...


will get back to you on this
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 11:40 am:       


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Charuvaka or lose school of atheist thought represents Dalit ideology




charvaka represents Dalit ideology? which dalit ideology? Chavaka rejected vedic and Buddhist scriptures, and prefers a materialistic way of life. Dalits, even if they did not follow vedic, Buddhist scriptures, had their own local deities and customs, which Charvaka rejects. atheism ki dalits ki emi relation. Dalits where theistic.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 11:22 am:       


Enigmatic:

are you talking about this ?




Yes..
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 11:20 am:       


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are you talking about this ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charvaka#:~:text=Charvaka%20(Sanskrit%3A%20%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5 %E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%95%3B%20IAST,and%20rejects%20ritualism%2C%20 and%20supernaturalism.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 11:19 am:       

There is a reason why I always say Voltaire is the greatest philosopher world has ever produced ....India has no one to equate his magnificence....

In a way he is the reason for most of present western thought and liberal values....

Here people always bring shankara into the discussion and say we have scholars of the scale...but I never saw the shankaras teaching the abolition of untouchability ...or saying everyone be it born chandala or sudra is equal...

That is the reason I rate him below Voltaire.
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 11:12 am:       

Secularism is separating religion from the state and on this parameter 99% Indian rules can't be considered secular as they considered themselves as descendants of god or they consider the god himself as head of the state etc

Religion was always part of the state in India
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 11:08 am:       


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Define secularism or secular state?
 

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Sorry lost you here -Dalit ideology ? What is that and what correlation did you see to Charvaka's philosophy ?




Modern scholars like katti padmarao etc say that charvuvaka darsan is an ancient Dalit ideology.
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Awara1984:

so this cant be called as secular as the govt is religious here



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Awara1984:

what actually is a secular state, Why Indians have a different definition compared to Europe




Youre confused and equating monarchical aristocracy with a secular democracy.

Why do you think there are Protestants, Catholic, calvanic, orthodox divisions in Europe??

The past rulers adhered to respective ideology and the people under the monarch by mass converted to the ideology....so basically by 1680s there are divisions with people embracing the religion of the king who rules them...

Then theres a wars of religion....finally settling the disputes in peace of Westphalia...then it ended...

After French Revolution most countries took the ideology of liberalism, secularism with them..and then became democracies on the values of equality and justice...

In India despite having monarchies many kings either be it Muslim or hindu or Buddhist are secular.

That is the social fabric created for millennia.
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 11:00 am:       


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Charuvaka or lose school of atheist thought represents Dalit ideology



Sorry lost you here -Dalit ideology ? What is that and what correlation did you see to Charvaka's philosophy ?

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Vishwamitra:

and it applies to all ( buddhists, jains, sikhs etc) except Muslims and Christians. Different personal laws promote communalism - progressives padi edichedi daani meede kada as first point , we are communal not secular ani. Shah bhano case was a classis example (ofcourse recent triple talaaq bill somewhat fixes that issue)




first there are some trivialities here..

1) Sikhs have their own marriage act - called the Anand marriage act.
2) Parsi have their own marriage and divorce act

UCC is not just related to marriage acts, and womens rights have their own roles. BJP showed what they could do with Triple Talaq, without having to go through the behemoth of UCC and that is exactly what my intent is. we can address pointed issues in a much more decisively, rather than going through UCC as a whole.


Vishwamitra:

UCC valla benefits antara - National integration, same law for everybody, not subject to interpretation of religious laws, legal system gets simplified, backlog of cases are reduced, meerane secular society is possible because it removes religious interpretation of law. Irony is Ambedkar proposed and Nehru (the socialist) rejected it




removing religious interpretation does not decrease the number of cases, nor the complexity changes. lawyers and judges do not learn new interpretations with every new case. these laws have been there for more than 5 decades now. there may be a minute correlation between the backlog of cases and UCC.

you have to consider why Ambedkar's UCC proposal was not approved. it was essentially deemed anti-hindu. Nehru opposed Ambedkar's proposal, but he was ok with UCC. Vallabhai patel, and i forgot the president's name, rajendra prasad probably were the ones who stood against Nehru for UCC, even though they were from the same party.
 

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so this cant be called as secular as the govt is religious here


out of syllabus ques veyyaku he spread Buddhism by sword lol
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Ashoka is a Buddhist.




so this cant be called as secular as the govt is religious here
 

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what actually is a secular state, Why Indians have a different definition compared to Europe
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 10:47 am:       


Mental_sachinodu:




India is also different in one more thing where we wont align with the rest of the world

Anti conversion law - Here the so called majority are begging for it where as in any other country governments impose them so that minority sects/religions wont vanish
 

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Vishwamitra:

Mana desham lo tappite ekkada anta co-existance kanipinchadu. we have given freedom to worship, build their prayer houses, respect their holidays and yada yada yada. malla cut cheste prati daniki hindus meeda padi janalu (not intended for you -generic ga vadanu)yedavatam majority andarini tokkestundi ani



How can you say India is a hindu country??

With proofs one can say India is secular from atleast 2-3 millennia...

Ashoka father bindusara is a Ajavika.
Ashoka is a Buddhist.
Jains flourished in Karnataka, andhra.
Charuvaka or lose school of atheist thought represents Dalit ideology
Our tribals used to have folk religions either be it in north east or nilgiris or araku...they slowly converted to Christianity from 80s..
Christianity arrived in 400-500 AD and coexisted in Kerala.
Paris are here from 8th-9th century
Muslims despite extremists, gelled well with other religions and coexisted in our fabric for more than 1000 years now.

So, from past 2-3 millennia the place presently called is always a diverse and secular place...barring few incidents of forced conversion by Muslims...
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Mental_sachinodu:

i did not say they are the same law. its the intent of the law. it is provide a the freedom to carry on with their traditions. I think right now, India provides a way for communities to propagate their traditions, and for communities that want to get rid of their own traditions, the onus is on them.

The strange thing is, the issue of UCC seems to be odds at traditional conservative vs liberal arguments. UCC is basically a liberal position, but most conservatives here want it.


We are for women's rights, first major benefits for UCC is for Women. Desham lo unna anni religions lo women are at loss due to non-applicability of laws uniformly as each of them follow their own law. Okka Hindus ki matram - Hindu personal law petti anni nooki paaresaru

Hindu Persona Code Bill has been split into four parts:
The Hindu Marriage Act, 1955
The Hindu Succession Act, 1956
The Hindu Minority and Guardianship Act, 1956
The Hindu Adoption and Maintenance Act, 1956

and it applies to all ( buddhists, jains, sikhs etc) except Muslims and Christians. Different personal laws promote communalism - progressives padi edichedi daani meede kada as first point , we are communal not secular ani. Shah bhano case was a classis example (ofcourse recent triple talaaq bill somewhat fixes that issue)

Agreed we have patriarchal society in most of the country except in Kerala and there may be some concerns there. challenges are many because subject touches on the issues of religious freedom, individual rights etc. But this is just the classic example as to why UCC is important, just because religion (or interpretation of it) says something it should not be denied to a section of the society (women).

UCC valla benefits antara - National integration, same law for everybody, not subject to interpretation of religious laws, legal system gets simplified, backlog of cases are reduced, meerane secular society is possible because it removes religious interpretation of law. Irony is Ambedkar proposed and Nehru (the socialist) rejected it :-) .

I think the current govt is being pragmatic about it and slow ga okkokkati chestunnaru - triple talaaq bill was one part of it, slow ga inka migilinavi kooda chestaru, UCC mandate ni indirect ga ayina fulfill chestaremo.
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Mental_sachinodu:

because I am not seeing many liberals commenting on it.


just joking... I am not entirely sure myself about ucc.... my opinion is, it will be one hell of a mess to enter, for any govt.... let's see.... this govt is peculiarly interested in entering into blind messy zones.... and it seems to be maneuvering itself out of them somehow.... so, it may do it.....
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 10:38 am:       


Mental_sachinodu:

muslim leaders,



wrong word.. muslim rulers.... is the correct word.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 10:37 am:       


Whyme:


rathri naaki dobbulettava mental sachin

ayina parledu mandir wahi banyaenge




whatt.... ?

i never talked about it vunkl. Ram Mandir needs to be where it is. or it doesnt have to be any where. there is no need to compromise on its place. With whatever proof they could convince the judiciary, it is what India believes is the place of birth Ram.. if a temple for Ram's birth place needs to be built.. its the only place. If we were to for some reason not build there, there is no need to build another Ram temple as a replacement.

There are about 45000 known temples that have been desecrated by various muslim leaders, Hindus are not asking about all of those temples. This place seems to be of more importance, and we all understand why.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 10:32 am:       


Mental_sachinodu:




rathri naaki dobbulettava mental sachin

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 10:31 am:       


Thikka_sankara:

and liberals hate it??




you have to tell me that. because I am not seeing many liberals commenting on it. but I am seeing more conservatives in the DB leaning towards it.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 10:29 am:       


Mental_sachinodu:

UCC is basically a liberal position, but most conservatives here want it.


and liberals hate it?? :D
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 10:29 am:       


Ballasticmissile:


He represents...Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Jains, parsis, Bhais, donyi polos, indian Shamanists, Indian animists, indian folk religious people, indian atheists....

Strange how people support who openly openly adheres only to one religion....indian unity in diversity gone to dogs.




this makes no sense. Modi is a hindu, but he still represents everyone. there is no confusion about it.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 10:28 am:       


Vishwamitra:

yo valla desham vachi vallani pittalni kaalchinattu kaalchi final ga ••• laaga vallaki reservations create chesi final ga konni vishayallo vallaki icharu freedom. completely different circumstances.




i did not say they are the same law. its the intent of the law. it is provide a the freedom to carry on with their traditions. I think right now, India provides a way for communities to propagate their traditions, and for communities that want to get rid of their own traditions, the onus is on them.

The strange thing is, the issue of UCC seems to be odds at traditional conservative vs liberal arguments. UCC is basically a liberal position, but most conservatives here want it.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 10:26 am:       


Ballasticmissile:

I think the restrictions must apply to all....

Why should the indian PM openly support one religious view ??

He represents...Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Jains, parsis, Bhais, donyi polos, indian Shamanists, Indian animists, indian folk religious people, indian atheists....

Strange how people support who openly openly adheres only to one religion....indian unity in diversity gone to dogs.


Mana desham lo tappite ekkada anta co-existance kanipinchadu. we have given freedom to worship, build their prayer houses, respect their holidays and yada yada yada. malla cut cheste prati daniki hindus meeda padi janalu (not intended for you -generic ga vadanu)yedavatam majority andarini tokkestundi ani
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 09:51 am:       

I think the restrictions must apply to all....

Why should the indian PM openly support one religious view ??

He represents...Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Jains, parsis, Bhais, donyi polos, indian Shamanists, Indian animists, indian folk religious people, indian atheists....

Strange how people support who openly openly adheres only to one religion....indian unity in diversity gone to dogs.
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 09:39 am:       


Mental_sachinodu:

Even USA has American Indian Law - to respect the civic traditions of indian tribes with in the USA. We are talking about protecting existing traditions of people who are living on the land before the countries are formed.


yo valla desham vachi vallani pittalni kaalchinattu kaalchi final ga laaga vallaki reservations create chesi final ga konni vishayallo vallaki icharu freedom. completely different circumstances.


Thikka_sankara:

lol blm daggara kochesariki, you are bothered enough to take into consideration about various factors.... but hindus vishayam lo they are comparable to white supremacists to make your point.... sorry for bothering to reply.... ignore all my previous posts.... no point in arguing any further


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Gsn1:

Did you forget the riots, blood that flowed, loss of lives, India's image tarnished due to Ayodya row?

What do you call that, not a war?


and who did that? did Hindus riot? if they did why did they riot? because of godhra. Narratives anta, mottam RSS meedaki nettesaru, akkada UP, Bihar lo jarigina maarana khaandalu evariki kanipinchavu. kaalutunna pottery bhattillo konni vandala mandi janalani vesi kaalchi paara dobbaru muzzies. Every news was politicized to the hilt by congress and left to gain maximum mileage with an eye on the electorate to show they were in support of a particular community. All in the name of secularism.


Lenin:


like how Hindus and Muslims coexisted for centuries in this land, can't we build a temple next to Babri


baboy inka valla kaadu, existing structure ni koolchesi valla masjid ni kattadu Mir Baqi gadu, ever since there were issues going on and hindus kept trying to occupy that structure (where no prayer was happening). Sentiment and faith anta unnappudu why does the other party not compromise and leave it? galli ki okati kadataru kada and they could have easily left it. Court lo cases avi enduku? why should it be Hindus who should always compromise?
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 09:36 am:       


Rocketk2:

My bottom line is that UCC is a natural progression of humanity that will voluntarily happen when it's time come.




LOL Triple talaq bill and Abrogation of article 370 happened voluntarily ? UCC also will never happen voluntarily. Even for our Independence we fought 200 years against Britishers.All historical events happened because some ruler enforced to happen that event or someone fought against the existing system.
 

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LOL coexisted ? Why communists always tried to whitewash crimes of muslim rulers? Do you think Hindus have any option when Muslims and Britishers ruled our country ? If Hindus and Muslims really coexisted for centuries, why Pakistan separated from India immediately after Independence?




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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 09:18 am:       


Thikka_sankara:

the proponents of secular state have set a very bad example for what it is to be a secular state.



Ramjirao:

pseudo-secularism.



I can agree with you both there.
But, 'Pseudo' anything is bad and should not be the basis to judge original.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 09:05 am:       


Mental_sachinodu:

I feel the benefits are marginal and there are better ways to handle issues that prop-up because of the lack of UCC


well said!! And I agree with most of what you said.

If we were to speak in general terms, UCC means uniformity and equality so there is nothing wrong with it. But it has potential to enforce unnecessary restrictions that can stifle basic freedom.

Constitutional law, generally, should be the lowest tolerable line that need to be enforced for equality. It is about the "lines people can not cross" . It should not be able about "lines people should cross". Administrative law is very complex. There will be several unintended consequences, if not thought thru.

Also, We should not require UCC for basic human securities. That should not be bench mark to want this kind of uniformity . The good UCC achieves can be handled differently case by case , instead of enforcing a hammer. The intent of UCC is good but it has potential to encroach on personal freedom beyond the lines it should

In a lighter vein, I see this as a school requiring uniform to a school letting kids wear what they want. I think the rules of school should be about what kids cannot wear to the school rather than what they should.

Now things change with time. There may come a time when people don't look and act so diverse. We are already seeing glimpses of it .
As we start to move ahead and progress , as the society matures and vast variations in cultural diversity smudges... then we can talk about UCC mainly in terms of 'ease of administration'.. but there is a long time for that . I think, We are not there yet!!

My bottom line is that UCC is a natural progression of humanity that will voluntarily happen when it's time come.. but enforcing it will have unintended consequences in a country like India that has a vast cultural diversity
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 08:55 am:       


Lenin:

like how Hindus and Muslims coexisted for centuries in this land, can't we build a temple next to Babri




LOL coexisted ? Why communists always tried to whitewash crimes of muslim rulers? Do you think Hindus have any option when Muslims and Britishers ruled our country ? If Hindus and Muslims really coexisted for centuries, why Pakistan separated from India immediately after Independence?
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 08:17 am:       


Mental_sachinodu:

we come up short other than the usual muslims having more number of kids, because of multiple families and so on.




Actually I see benefits - for everyone esp women:-)But maybe that discussion for a different time :-)


Gsn1:


Did you forget the riots, blood that flowed, loss of lives, India's image tarnished due to Ayodya row



It's an image based on one narrative of riots that happened how many years ago ?.. narratives can be changed and now is the time to change it.It's a milestone for the country-Modi being there actually helps that narrative in my mind:-) but as you said opinions differ

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 07:33 am:       


Anand_n:

Why? Plurality in customs and ceremonies are fine - but why is plurality in social structure needed in this day ? Family laws, maariage , divorce,inheritance laws , can and should be uniform across religions...
So everyone may have to give a little - but it will make it better for everyone ! Menarikams among hindusb, cousin marriages Among Muslims are better avoided anyway




we are not merely talking about individuals talking in main stream societies. there are many tribal areas, or nomadic tribes with in india, which live by their own customs, and often have their own civic traditions. you say, everyone may have to given a little for everyone's benefit, while it sounds good, when we try to articulate the common good, we come up short other than the usual muslims having more number of kids, because of multiple families and so on.

I feel the benefits are marginal and there are better ways to handle issues that prop-up because of the lack of UCC.




Vishwamitra:

take USA for example - people from all walks of life, religion live here and follow the rule of law, law is law not separate based on religion, ethnicity etc.



Even USA has American Indian Law - to respect the civic traditions of indian tribes with in the USA. We are talking about protecting existing traditions of people who are living on the land before the countries are formed.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 04:19 am:       

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 02:08 am:       

T_S

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no point in arguing any further
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Take it easy brother!

Looks like I am not as far right as you, but that is OK we both have our own opinions and we are right in our own way as long as we are not harming anyone.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 02:03 am:       


Gsn1:

but I still see the comparison was to make a point.



Gsn1:


If Violence is the criteria, YES, but when looked for reasons and motive for their agitation, NO.


lol blm daggara kochesariki, you are bothered enough to take into consideration about various factors.... but hindus vishayam lo they are comparable to white supremacists to make your point.... sorry for bothering to reply.... ignore all my previous posts.... no point in arguing any further
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 01:50 am:       

T_S

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if that is not nonsense what is??
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I gave plenty of explanation for my initial post after you raised your points. If you think my comparison is not apt, may be you are right in your assessment, but I still see the comparison was to make a point.

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Just answer one plain question.... are blm comparable to talixbans are not? Why are you escaping this comparison
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If Violence is the criteria, YES, but when looked for reasons and motive for their agitation, NO.

Talibans motive and reason looks STUPID to me, BLM is trying to agitate for the RIGHT CAUSES.
 

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Gsn1:

prefer BJP and Modi over


doesn't matter to me.... there are many faults with your initial post.... if you just said, pm picked one side b/w 2 opposing sides(which I don't agree to, will comeback) it is one thing.... but comparing one of those sides to white supremacists and saying modi sided with them is insinuating that the hindu side here against muslims is on same level as white supremacists against blacks..... if that is not nonsense what is??


Just answer one plain question.... are blm comparable to talixbans are not? Why are you escaping this comparison
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 01:31 am:       

T_S

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Em matladuthunnav sami.....
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OK, after reading my statement again, it will indicate it is on-going. But, you took only that part of my post and ignored my other statement which said it was over and in the past. The post as a whole conveys it is NOT on-going.

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What the heck.... is this rhetoric??
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Ofcourse it is rhetoric. The main point of my argument was that the country's leader appearing in the side of one party when there are tensions between 2 groups.

You can agree to disagree and I am find with it.

For your info, I prefer BJP and Modi over Congress and Rahul (atleast not yet), but I don't support anyone blindly and never find faults with them.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 01:22 am:       


Gsn1:


When did I say it was ongoing, I even said thank god it is over and in the past.



Gsn1:

two major religions are at war and PM taking sides openly and siding with one religion




Em matladuthunnav sami.....

Gsn1:


If your definition of comparison is that there should be EXACTLY same number of people and venue needs to same, color of the people should be same, dressing should be same, then YES, my comparison was wrong



What the heck.... is this rhetoric?? So, is it ok to compare blm with talixban? Because both are demolishing statues?? Neeku convenient ga unna points teesukuni compare chesi dobbuthava?? Without seeing if things are on the level playing field???
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Do you call it ongojng war???
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When did I say it was ongoing, I even said thank god it is over and in the past.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 01:16 am:       

T_S

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first accept that your comparison with white supremacists is wrong..
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If your definition of comparison is that there should be EXACTLY same number of people and venue needs to same, color of the people should be same, dressing should be same, then YES, my comparison was wrong.

FYI, that comparison was a leader taking sides with one group over the other when two groups don't like each other. There ends the comparison.
 

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Gsn1:


I never said Hindu's were oppressors. I was only meaning to say that there is religious tension between two religion people and it is not RIGHT for the leader to take sides


then, first accept that your comparison with white supremacists is wrong.... just for comparison, you can't compare apples to oranges..... take case of confederate statue demolition. Just because these are getting demolished and talismans demolished Buddha statues can you say blm activists with talixbans???

Gsn1:



What do you call that, not a war?



Do you call it ongojng war??? If so, because temples were destroyed centuries ago and people killed, do you say we are in perpetual war and is it OK to say those who opposed masjid demolition as taking the side of muslims in the Muslim war against hindus??? What nonsense
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 12:47 am:       

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ssalu, hindus and Muslims are at war in India ane narrative enti saami???
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Did you forget the riots, blood that flowed, loss of lives, India's image tarnished due to Ayodya row?

What do you call that, not a war?

Thank god it is all done and in the past! Hopefully things will be better going forward.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 12:43 am:       

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What a narrative sami.... you are equating a hindu ceremony with white supremacy...
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Same explanation as in my previous posting.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 12:42 am:       

Anand_n garu

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Lots of problems with this comparison
1.White supremacists were the oppressers in history, Hindus here were the oppressed
2.Trump took sides after violence broke out, Modi participated after the law granted the land
3.BJP campaigned on this issue , 370 and UCC back in early 90s ..it was always their rallying cry...so it should be no surprise to anyone
4.As whyme already said being secular does not mean giving up your religion
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I never said Hindu's were oppressors. I was only meaning to say that there is religious tension between two religion people and it is not RIGHT for the leader to take sides. And Modi's participation looks like he is taking sides.

And comparison needs not be EXACTLY SAME. Comparison is always based on the similar happenings. It need not be CARBON COPY.

Anyway, I am not finding fault and I said it is OK given our leaders pondering of minority people all the time.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 12:33 am:       


Lenin:

religions are there even before democracies and smaller societies formed..you can not control them in the name of state that too for a country like India which is so different in every 100kms distance

Communist la centralization of production ki, UCC ki teda em ledu...edo vere religions ni antaru gani, Hindu tribes lo chala age old customs unnai inka..right from matrilineal societies to extreme chauvinistic groups

it's practically not possible..democracy is to work will all , but not to make them work in a single way


beg to differ - take USA for example - people from all walks of life, religion live here and follow the rule of law, law is law not separate based on religion, ethnicity etc. That is UCC and it is achievable 70% of hindus accept cheyaga lenidi why cant rest of the communities accept the rule of the law. Change always is met by resistance as status quo suits some ala ani we cant get stuck in age old laws citing religious reasons.
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 12:21 am:       


Lenin:



Yes I included inheritance laws right ? It will drive equal distribution of property- matrilineal or patrilineal - why is that a concern ?

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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 12:16 am:       


Anand_n:




what about property rights?

who will be the heir of a property of a woman in a matrilineal society? there were changes to laws in state like Kerala

so UCC will amend that?
 

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Mental_sachinodu:

I am against UCC.




Why? Plurality in customs and ceremonies are fine - but why is plurality in social structure needed in this day ? Family laws, maariage , divorce,inheritance laws , can and should be uniform across religions...
So everyone may have to give a little - but it will make it better for everyone ! Menarikams among hindusb, cousin marriages Among Muslims are better avoided anyway

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Lenin:

inka semiurban and rural areas lo Muslims lo poverty undi and they are discriminated




Alantapudu left should fight for poor and discriminated ani pettu. Majority/minority/religion tags enduku.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:58 pm:       

Kalyan Singh, Fully knowing the consequences, sacrificed his Govt

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.. who you are? or what we are? we are equally eligible to question any wrong doing




am an upper caste Hindu..never was discriminated in this land , I do not know what a discrimination even looks like
I have not got any right to question other groups..I support Hindus fighting their rights, that's it..beyond that , probably I would support an oppressed Hindu questioning the discriminatory practices in other religions

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Thikka_sankara:




I don't care man...it was destroyed before India became a democratic nation
we have formed a constitution after that..let us leave it here

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Evarooo shabana azmi, naseeruddeen shah, javed aathar aa
Or salman khan aa
Or maa yavida wants to leave India aamir aa
Or liberal Lion owaisi na
Or..




it is true to extant.. we tend to turn absolute morons, when someone else point us that we are morons.. but when someone within us, points that we are morons, we tend to listen better... it took a Moses to lead the jews.. it takes raja rammohan roy to fight against sati.. if a white person or muslim points the wrong doing... even the progressives among us bend our backwards to support our folk :-)
 

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Lenin:



modalettindi nuvvu..malla nuv evadivi ani nannu antunnava..nuv cheyalanukuntavo adi cheyyi



Lenin:

Muslims concentrated unna chota Hindus em cheyaleremo kani,


nenu modalettadam enti.... that masjid was a symbol of oppression against hindus by Muslims... and going by leftists destroying confederate symbols, renaming confederate general names etc, leftists in India shouldnt have an issue with whats happening in this mandir masjid issue.... but na, you (leftists)will selectively pick and choose and decide to be who gets to be called as oppressed, which oppression needs to be addressed as a priority and which oppression is ok to be ignored, which historic oppression is wrong even if its isn't current and which historic oppression needs to be ignored because it isn't current.... hypocrisy
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:40 pm:       


Lenin:

nenu Hinduvu ni kada..na illu sakkadiddukunta
nee drusti lo Hinduvulandaru pativratalu kabatti u continue questioning them




it doesnt matter... who you are? or what we are? we are equally eligible to question any wrong doing, done by anyone else. nee illu chakka dhiddhu koka poyina.. i do not care.. you can still clean up my house
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:39 pm:       

I am against UCC. Being secular is not religion blind. we celebrate plurality within in Hindu religion, and overall culturally and traditionally, there is little down side to extend it to other religions.

Oppression is inescapable, unless the democratic system is protected. First step is to keep democracy, and the second step is to self educate. there is nothing else to fight against - in democracy the end voter has the final control, yes its a tough place to stand your ground, but there is no other fight than staying true to what you believe.

This applies to everyone - including upper castes. Modi is a hindu prime minister, he needs to stay true to himself - being a Hindu it is a truly historic moment for him. The day he uses his power to act against the rights of other religion folk, he is to be blamed. Ayodhya battle has taken its course - all required legalities have completed.

With respect to Corona - yes - I personally would have waited - but they did not. I hope they quarantine everyone involved.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:38 pm:       


Whyme:




Taslima Nasrin
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:38 pm:       


Thikka_sankara:

uvvevvadivi naaku prioritize cheyyadaniki needed rights unnai lol



Lenin:

nee drusti lo Hinduvulandaru pativratalu kabatti u continue questioning them




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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:36 pm:       


Lenin:



historic muslims oppression matlade mundu,historic Hindu oppression gurinchi matladadam


nuvvevvadivi naaku prioritize cheyyadaniki needed rights unnai lol
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:30 pm:       


Lenin:

Muslims lo bad practice unte vallalo progressive will fight




Evarooo shabana azmi, naseeruddeen shah, javed aathar aa
Or salman khan aa
Or maa yavida wants to leave India aamir aa
Or liberal Lion owaisi na
Or..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:24 pm:       


Thikka_sankara:

I'm talking about historic muslim oppression against hindus..... asusual you will now go into denial mode lol




historic muslims oppression matlade mundu,historic Hindu oppression gurinchi matladadam

nenu Hinduvu ni kada..na illu sakkadiddukunta
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:21 pm:       


Lenin:



Muslims lo ledani evarannaru..if I don't take sides and treat them as unitary , then you should question

unnai divisions within Muslims..kadani evarannaru



Within muslims evadu maatladadu saami.... I'm talking about historic muslim oppression against hindus..... asusual you will now go into denial mode lol
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:20 pm:       

evadillu vadu chakkaiddukondi..diddukonivvandi

Muslims lo bad practice unte vallalo progressive will fight, you just lend your hand anthe kani ne daggara bokkalunchukuni vadini tappu padata ante ela

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:18 pm:       


Thikka_sankara:

ut hindu vs Muslim lo historic oppression odilesi curren day oppression ledu antaavu lol I've hypocrisy ante




Muslims lo ledani evarannaru..if I don't take sides and treat them as unitary , then you should question

unnai divisions within Muslims..kadani evarannaru
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:18 pm:       


Vishwamitra:

UCC enforces the rule of law and does not consider any religion specific interpretation




religions are there even before democracies and smaller societies formed..you can not control them in the name of state that too for a country like India which is so different in every 100kms distance

Communist la centralization of production ki, UCC ki teda em ledu...edo vere religions ni antaru gani, Hindu tribes lo chala age old customs unnai inka..right from matrilineal societies to extreme chauvinistic groups

it's practically not possible..democracy is to work will all , but not to make them work in a single way
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:17 pm:       


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that's your understanding..Muslims concentrated unna chota Hindus em cheyaleremo kani, inka semiurban and rural areas lo Muslims lo poverty undi and they are discriminated


lol hindu castes daggara historic oppression gurinchi maatladathavu (which may be correct), but hindu vs Muslim lo historic oppression odilesi curren day oppression ledu antaavu lol I've hypocrisy ante
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:15 pm:       

2021 Aug 5 th.. UCC constitutional Amendment Will be approved and comes in to affect.. hopefully
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:14 pm:       


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plurality in faith accept chestundi, not in justice




not every thing comes under the judicial purview

nuv tali kadite pelli, inkodu ring thodigite pelli, inkodu edu adugulu veste pelli...UCC em chestadi marriage ni register cheyataniki? edaina oka style ne pick cheskomantada? is n't is plurality ? can you challenge them in the court?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:14 pm:       


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sudden ga ekkadiki vellamantavu .. ninna #Tamilsarenothindus ani trend chesaru kurrolu .. konni states completely control lo unnayi ..




Evaru ekkadiki ellakarla bhayya...issue is abt appeasement politics...tamils are not hindus etc lantivi extremities which shud be taken care of
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:13 pm:       


Lenin:

UCC has nothing to do with secularism..UCC strictly deals with customs, traditions, inheritance laws, divorce kind of stuff..HIndu sects lo ne chala divisions unnai..am against UCC


UCC enforces the rule of law and does not consider any religion specific interpretation. This is the first rule that everybody in the country has to follow irrespective of faith.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:11 pm:       


Lenin:

UCC deals with the plurality of customs and traditions...a state can be a secular one and can accept plurality




plurality in faith accept chestundi, not in justice
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:08 pm:       


Brightlife34:

ndi oadithey adi type chesthaava?




hahaha...secularism is separating state from religion

UCC deals with the plurality of customs and traditions...a state can be a secular one and can accept plurality

nenu edipadite adi type cheyatam kadu, neeku na ventapadatam alavatu aindi
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:05 pm:       


Confused:

because no one is oppressed there.




that's your understanding..Muslims concentrated unna chota Hindus em cheyaleremo kani, inka semiurban and rural areas lo Muslims lo poverty undi and they are discriminated
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:05 pm:       


Gsn1:

Here two major religions are at war and PM taking sides openly and siding with one religion.

It is like the UVA incident in USA where White supremacists taking a rally (they have right to rally) and liberals showing up to protest (they also have right to protest), but the event led to violence and Trump was openly taking sides with White supremacists




Lots of problems with this comparison
1.White supremacists were the oppressers in history, Hindus here were the oppressed
2.Trump took sides after violence broke out, Modi participated after the law granted the land
3.BJP campaigned on this issue , 370 and UCC back in early 90s ..it was always their rallying cry...so it should be no surprise to anyone
4.As whyme already said being secular does not mean giving up your religion

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:05 pm:       


Lenin:

UCC has nothing to do with secularism.




endi oadithey adi type chesthaava?

secular ante enti, not just right to oractise religion. it also means state has no religion, which means when it comes to delivery of law civil/criminal issues should not be dictated by faith.

muslim divorces ammayi right now has no avenue.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:03 pm:       


Lenin:

majority taraphuna fight chesevadu leftist ela avutadu..




Majority/minority ani kakunda oppressed vaala kosam pani chesevadu left avvali. Left/communism in india should fight to change caste oppression mindset. Hindu/muslim dantlo valaki role ledu.. because no one is oppressed there.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:02 pm:       


Vishwamitra:

hat we need is UCC, everybody is equal under law, scrap hindu personal law, muslim person law and any other laws and make it IPC for all to start with.




UCC has nothing to do with secularism..UCC strictly deals with customs, traditions, inheritance laws, divorce kind of stuff..HIndu sects lo ne chala divisions unnai..am against UCC
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:00 pm:       


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tulaks & hallelujah batch ni ennallu naakali bokka




sudden ga ekkadiki vellamantavu .. ninna #Tamilsarenothindus ani trend chesaru kurrolu .. konni states completely control lo unnayi ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:59 pm:       

It is absolutely fine to push Hindu agenda if Modi govt wants to do it in a democratic way, if Hindus want to deal things with other religions on their set norms..go for it, evadoddu annadu...party la veru aina ruling 90% chesedi upper caste HIndu le ga..meelo unity leka Owaisi, Karat meeda punch la

70% paina population eskuni ennallu edustaru minorities meeda...we will keep fighting for the rights of minorities
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:59 pm:       


Lenin:

Leftist anevadu India lo HIndus ki against matladi, Australia lo kooda ade pani cheste you can question

we are for minorities..there is no such thing as secularism, Communist leaders are wrong on that part, there is majority and there is minority, they have to acknowledge it and they have to fight for minorities no matter what so ever

majority taraphuna fight chesevadu leftist ela avutadu...secularism is trash


correst ga chepparu, secularism is crap, what we need is UCC, everybody is equal under law, scrap hindu personal law, muslim person law and any other laws and make it IPC for all to start with.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:57 pm:       

Leftist anevadu India lo HIndus ki against matladi, Australia lo kooda ade pani cheste you can question

we are for minorities..there is no such thing as secularism, Communist leaders are wrong on that part, there is majority and there is minority, they have to acknowledge it and they have to fight for minorities no matter what so ever

majority taraphuna fight chesevadu leftist ela avutadu...secularism is trash
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:53 pm:       


Reddit:

aki native pagan religions anavu vallaki only abrahamic religious sensitivities ante vassaru




hahaha...correct ye, Islamic and Christian nations lo Mosque , Church la gate lu teeyagane leftists ye untaru mundu

nakipoina elitist liberals tho fight cheskoka memenduku rao garu...okasari antha dhiryamunte old city la P.Madhu laga padayatra cheyamanarade mana ABVP batch
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:53 pm:       

Secular meaning anyone can practice their faith freely.. pm, cm, president should not ani vunda
Mana sendral saar 3 generations of family pattu panchetto kattukoni manavadiki tirupathi lo aksharabhyasam or Anna Prasana chesad.. ayana faith ayana followed.. seculaism
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:49 pm:       


Thikka_sankara:

akkada eeee leftists emo sontha chettho statues pagala godathar ikkademo it is a war antaar lol....hypocrites


left ollaki native pagan religions anavu vallaki only abrahamic religious sensitivities ante vassaru
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:47 pm:       

Gnani jail Singh went and bend over To golden temple after blue star
Seculars appudu what lollipop?
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:44 pm:       

Cong historical gacreate chesina majority apologist narrative
PM hindu he will participate in a hindu ritual isn’t it what being secular is
Why should anyone shirk from following his faith
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:41 pm:       


Reddit:

sometime in 76 to upend the opposition during the 'emergency' only in anticipation of garnering minority votes


adey chepthe hindu supremacy antunnaru....kharma raa babu.... the correct parallel drawn was by anand ji.... destroying confederate statues is equivalent to demolishing of the masjid.... akkada eeee leftists emo sontha chettho statues pagala godathar ikkademo it is a war antaar lol....hypocrites
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:37 pm:       

Our founding fathers envisioned india as a sovereign democratic republic which was changed by adding 'socialist secular' sometime in 76 to upend the opposition during the 'emergency' only in anticipation of garnering minority votes. Even now I say they should revert back to the original preamble.

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:31 pm:       

Bochulo secularism..tulaks & hallelujah batch ni ennallu naakali bokka
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:29 pm:       

This is the wrong narrative set by liberals.... that it is ok to be minority appeasing and you have to be majority condescending....
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:26 pm:       


Gsn1:


It is like the UVA incident in USA where White supremacists taking a rally (they have right to rally) and liberals showing up to protest (they also have right to protest), but the event led to violence and Trump was openly taking sides with White supremacists.



What a narrative sami.... you are equating a hindu ceremony with white supremacy.... lol, you won't understand why I say you are wrong.... remember one thing, secularism is not being atheistic. It is to be respectful of all religions. And nothing wrong in following your own religion. Assalu, hindus and Muslims are at war in India ane narrative enti saami???
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:08 pm:       

Thikka

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Can you elaborate?

ol baagundi.... iftarlu Xmas lu ki so called secular party leaders attend avvocchu....but when it comes to bjp leader, its no big deal because bjp is known as hindu party?
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OK, the main difference between the iftarlu xmas lu that you are referring is to bring UNITY among different people ie., a leader who doesn't belong to their religion assuring those minorities that we are all brothers and sisters and there will be no discrimination just because you guys belong to other religions.

Here two major religions are at war and PM taking sides openly and siding with one religion.

It is like the UVA incident in USA where White supremacists taking a rally (they have right to rally) and liberals showing up to protest (they also have right to protest), but the event led to violence and Trump was openly taking sides with White supremacists.

Hope it makes sense.
 

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Thikka_sankara:

lol baagundi.... iftarlu Xmas lu ki so called secular party leaders attend avvocchu....but when it comes to bjp leader, its no big deal because bjp is known as hindu party?




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Gsn1:

Yes, andharu chestaru and that is the reason I said, no big deal.


lol baagundi.... iftarlu Xmas lu ki so called secular party leaders attend avvocchu....but when it comes to bjp leader, its no big deal because bjp is known as hindu party?

Gsn1:

but no big deal as BJP is known as a Hindu party



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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 09:58 pm:       


Gsn1:

Strictly speaking, as a PM of a secular country, it is not appropriate for him to publicly get involved in a religious ceremony


can you elaborate why?
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 09:51 pm:       

Awesome

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Chandaalu saar iftar vindu..turka topi ok naa.. almost andaru politicians chesey kada..
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Chandaalu chesina/Modi chesina or yevaru chesina, it is getting involved in religious activies. Yes, andharu chestaru and that is the reason I said, no big deal.
 

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Anand_n:

the parallel that comes to mind is removal of Confederate glorification here


lol good parallel...
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 09:38 pm:       

Good for India. Secularism concept makes people lazy, weak minded, goal less.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 09:27 pm:       

Hurt ayyevallu..already hurt ayyaru..ippudu kothaga ayyedi emi ledu!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 09:26 pm:       


Gsn1:

as a PM of a secular country, it is not appropriate for him to publicly get involved in a religious ceremony,



Chandaalu saar iftar vindu..turka topi ok naa.. almost andaru politicians chesey kada.. Once should embrace all relegions and respect them anthey..
Mana modi acting cheyyaledua anthey!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 09:24 pm:       

Strictly speaking, as a PM of a secular country, it is not appropriate for him to publicly get involved in a religious ceremony, but no big deal as BJP is known as a Hindu party (just like TDP as a Kamma party and YCP as a Reddy party).
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 08:22 pm:       


Anand_n:




am least bothered about who is going to get the points here...as long as Liberals push their pseudo secular agenda, people like Modi will be benefited and I am not pointing BJP for this situation

moot point - like how Hindus and Muslims coexisted for centuries in this land, can't we build a temple next to Babri..why there is a need to destroy others' work when the concept of Hinduism itself is inclusion

by the way, I am not a secular
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 08:07 pm:       


Lenin:

we are seeking the glory by destroying a mosque when we become a democratic nation




It happens all over the world - righting a wrong is a norm - apologizing for a wrong perpetrated in history, reclaiming, renaming to erase/ or atleast stop glorifying the wrong ...so why is it so hard to take in this case..

I am secular and liberal by most standards - but I think this was a long time coming .. political brownie points and who gets credit aside:-)

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 07:58 pm:       


Anand_n:



I agree to some extent regarding politicians and their vote bank.

Irrespective of it I strongly feel india should be declared as Hindu or Sanaathana

Even so called highly developed country USA itself says Christianity as main religion
And small countries like pak etc happy to be Islamic country
Considering about majority of ppl in respective countries

Then why not India following that rule India must be declared

How long hiding or pretending
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 07:55 pm:       


Anand_n:

- this is more about reclaiming heritage/ removing signs of oppression - the parallel that comes to mind is removal of Confederate glorification here




the oppression that we faced in the middle ages and we are seeking the glory by destroying a mosque when we become a democratic nation

as someone rightly pointed, democracy is nothing but the ruling of powerful groups
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 07:47 pm:       

Lol - appeasing is a function of votebank politics - has nothing to do with the nation being secular or Hindu :-)

As long as there is a significant votebank , politicians will curry favor ...

As to the event - this is more about reclaiming heritage/ removing signs of oppression - the parallel that comes to mind is removal of Confederate glorification here:-)
Memories of Advani's Rathyatra, babri masjid demolition and ensuing curfew 2 days after my wedding flashed before the eyes as I watched..finally a culmination ...
Waiting for UCC to be implemented :-)

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 07:30 pm:       


Vizagnumberone:




Great grand pa

Let it happen first

And I want it happen
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 07:27 pm:       


Driverramudu:


Grand pa 5 stars to your post
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 07:22 pm:       

I wish Hope India must be declared Hindu nation.

Enough is enough

There are many countries clearly defined what kind of nation they are

How long india should continued confused nation

Get rid of this pleasing attitude come forward and declare it as Hindu or Sanaathana nation

Hope it happens when modi as PM

Whoever having problem with that please look for better country that suits to you.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 07:16 pm:       


Termi:



You problem is not Carona spread , but the event.

India lovsecularism, human rights lekapote enado left sicular batch tapa kattesevaru.

Nuvu anavadaram ga avesam padoddu

The main reason for remote spread is Tablig
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:35 am:       


Rocketk2:


It is a direct question on why should we not be a secular state? no insinuations. why should we be a hindu state or for that matter what is the definition of hindu state.


I think, the proponents of secular state have set a very bad example for what it is to be a secular state.... so, people tend to associate secularism to be minority appeasing.... unless we are resorting to such techniques, none in India would be opposed to the idea of secularism. As you would know, we were not officially secukar till mid 70s.... and I am sure, with out that tag too, we wouldn't have been in a much different position.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:33 am:       


Rocket2:

Being a secular country implies no religion in governance. I don't exactly understand what is referred to here as Hindu country. What is the definition. Is it similar to Pakistan as Muslim country?
India is a Hindu majority country with Secular governance. what is the problem with that ??




Secular gaa vundatam ante anni religions ni equal gaa soodatam.

India lo offlate it became pseudo-secularism.

Ifthar vindulu CMs/governer/Presidents government dabbu tho chesthe thappu ledhu. PM in his official capacity tho Ayodhya bhoomipooja kelthe thappu.


Haj yaatra subsidy deniki ivvaaali. Haj vellatam anedhi vallaki antha important aiteh money save chesukuni velthaaru.


Hindu temples meedha government control. why not on mosques and churches??

also Uniform civil code vundaali. thappu evvaru chesina thappe kaani aa interpretation matham basis na vuntundhaaa???
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:29 am:       


Thikka_sankara:

isn't that in response to the comment stating Muslims blood raguluthondi?? And is that blood boiling a secular sign? Or assuming that their blood books, resorting to inaction for hindu activities a req to be secular??


Absolutely not!
And that was not in response to blood boiling. Muslim blood boiling irrelevant. Secularism doesnt support muslim blood boiling when a hindu temple built or vice versa. Infact, it is quite opposite.

It is a direct question on why should we not be a secular state? no insinuations. why should we be a hindu state or for that matter what is the definition of hindu state.

Once again, I think of attacking secularism is acknowledging the other model. That is where I am drawing line. If that is not the case, I am fine with it but that is how most of these conversations sound
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:06 am:       


Rocketk2:


I am still not sure what you guys want. which model do we prefer.. India or Pakistan?


isn't that in response to the comment stating Muslims blood raguluthondi?? And is that blood boiling a secular sign? Or assuming that their blood books, resorting to inaction for hindu activities a req to be secular??
Achha ek joke sunaaoon.... desa rakshana kosam emergency pettindi IndiraMMMA
 

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wish it was true..
Life knows two miseries; getting what you don't want and not getting what you want.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 11:01 am:       


Vizagnumberone:




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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:37 am:       

Aa mandi pakkane slums unnayi.. ee dabbu edo daniki use cheyandi..desam bagupadutundi.. chaduvukunna vallu kooda temes ki kotlu karchu peduthunte claps aa?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:22 am:       


Rocketk2:

We want to be like those countries?? the ones that we believe are doing it wrong?? I am confused

Being a secular country implies no religion in governance. I don't exactly understand what is referred to here as Hindu country. What is the definition. Is it similar to Pakistan as Muslim country?
India is a Hindu majority country with Secular governance. what is the problem with that ??

I am still not sure what you guys want. which model do we prefer.. India or Pakistan?





They don't know what they want.. They are living in this bubble.

They reduced our culture to a very narrow perspective and made us believe it's all about building a temple

They just want to use Sri ram's name and assert dominance. Forget the principles that Sri Ram actually taught

All this is a joke to me.. Lol
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 10:04 am:       

Indulo hurt avvataaniki emundhi

Neat ga baaga chesaar
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 09:58 am:       


Termi:




thammi...mana Racha movie punganur leela mahal lo 2nd week record ledu...2 shows fans ye full vesukunnaru antunnaru....nijamenaaa...can you cross check your notes and confirm
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 09:58 am:       


Megapowerstar:

Most of middle east, Afghanistan, Pakistani, Indonesia, Malaysia are all muslim countries. But India cannot be Hindu country? And we are supposed to be secular and respect all religions.


We want to be like those countries?? the ones that we believe are doing it wrong?? I am confused

Being a secular country implies no religion in governance. I don't exactly understand what is referred to here as Hindu country. What is the definition. Is it similar to Pakistan as Muslim country?
India is a Hindu majority country with Secular governance. what is the problem with that ??

I am still not sure what you guys want. which model do we prefer.. India or Pakistan?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 09:57 am:       


Termi:


Take it easy. Celebrate the occasion, India is lot better than most countries for muslims.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 09:52 am:       


Termi:

Corona time lo intha hangu aarbhatam tho sakshyathu desa pradhani ee pooja lu cheyyadam avasarama?

What kind of example are we setting when we inturn objected Muslim gatherings like Markaz?

LIVE telecast chustunna naake disturbing ga undi..Muslim sodarula raktham udiki pothu untundi..i am sure..

They could have done it behind closed doors without media coverage or should have waited till Corona was gone...

I condemn this act..


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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 09:45 am:       


Termi:

LIVE telecast chustunna naake disturbing ga undi..Muslim sodarula raktham udiki pothu untundi..i am sure..




Sorry to differ here...

Almost the entire western world is christianity. Most of middle east, Afghanistan, Pakistani, Indonesia, Malaysia are all muslim countries. But India cannot be Hindu country? And we are supposed to be secular and respect all religions.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 09:04 am:       

They did very well.

They didn't allow people over 80 years. Andhuke Advani, Uma Bharathi, Joshi etc didn't attend the function live

Social distancing and masks baaane paatincheru

Amith SHah sick vunnaaadu kabatti vellaledhuu.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 08:52 am:       

Mana gudi lo puja chestunte pakka veedhilo masjid sounds vachinappudu secularism sachipoleda termi garu?
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Vizagnumberone:

E kurrodi attention seeking thread ki enduku entha hadavidi




ee kurrodu Blacks lives No matter ani chindulu esadu monna.
ila vuntayi



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E kurrodi attention seeking thread ki enduku entha hadavidi
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 07:07 am:       

India was and is a Hindu state,with secular principles
India never had any issues with other relegions practicing their faith and should be

BTW the word secular was not in our original constitution,but forcefully inserted by congress without discussion or voting in parliament

If we had no secular values,you wont see a church in every village and a Masjid on every street corner
 

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Abhysg:

. epudu saste endi problem..pandaga seskovali kani




correct ga adigav..

 

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Desham create ayinde non secularism mode lo..madhya lo okate secularism ani started.. people started dancing to the tune.. epudu saste endi problem..pandaga seskovali kani
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 03:58 am:       


Chikitha:

Cm pattu vasthralu samarpisthadu tirumala lo ..



that's during normal circumstances..corona time lo kaadu ga
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this event is properly organized with all social distancing norms and protocols. Only 200 invitees. Meedha padi..hug chesukuni.. same spoon naakesukuni laantivi cheyaledhu gaa
 

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Awesomedber:

Itlantivi corona time loney fassak cheseyyali.protestors bongu boshanam evvaduu undadu..
imagine, without corona..delhi mumbai anni chotla elaanti protests ayyevo..



Surya:

bro . ccrores of ppl waited for 30 yrs this BIG moment . vodiley.




Hmm..ivi kuda points ey..
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Cm pattu vasthralu samarpisthadu tirumala lo .. do you know?.. thats protocol kuda.. whats wrong if he attends.. adhe thulaks masjid kattinappudu PM ni pilavagalara.. adhi valla problem..
 

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Termi:

PM velli hadavidi cheyyadam enduku..daniki malli LIVE telecast and hadavidi deniki?

hungama cheyyali ani unte they could have waited till Corona no?




bro . ccrores of ppl waited for 30 yrs this BIG moment . vodiley.

flight diginaka Modi kaneesam cm Yogi and others ki shake hand kuda ivvaled , andaru mask pettukunnaru (part of Corona guidelines)

Corona eppatiki pothundo evariki clear idea ledu so how long they need to wait. manchi muhurtam chusi start chesaru 3-4 yrs lo temple complete ayithe...ade 10K
 

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PM and BJP has every right to claim the credit of thsi temple. Aa matram buildup lekapotey elaa..
 

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Termi:

hungama cheyyali ani unte they could have waited till Corona no?



Itlantivi corona time loney fassak cheseyyali.protestors bongu boshanam evvaduu undadu..
imagine, without corona..delhi mumbai anni chotla elaanti protests ayyevo..

Okka 100 sadhuvala batch tappitey ..anni chotla it is good!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 02:46 am:       


Awesomedber:

What is your problem?



PM velli hadavidi cheyyadam enduku..daniki malli LIVE telecast and hadavidi deniki?

hungama cheyyali ani unte they could have waited till Corona no?
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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 02:44 am:       


Aggipidugu116:

. omerica ayina australia ayina



All over the world pissed off the muslim appeasement..Andukey ilaa tayaaru ayyaru!
 

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Secularisama tokka.. majority rules.. omerica ayina australia ayina .. lekapote 23 mla .. 45 mp seats
 

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Saw the live video. Infact ekkuva janaalu lekundaa baaga chestunnaru..
What is your problem?
 

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Mind minginda?
 

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Termi:



Chill termi chill...chant Hanuman chalisa today...life lo emanna kastaalu untey teeripotaayi...
 

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Jai Sri Ram..But I condemn what Modi is doing today..
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Technologytho Dongatanam chese Party
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 - 02:22 am:       

Corona time lo intha hangu aarbhatam tho sakshyathu desa pradhani ee pooja lu cheyyadam avasarama?

What kind of example are we setting when we inturn objected Muslim gatherings like Markaz?

LIVE telecast chustunna naake disturbing ga undi..Muslim sodarula raktham udiki pothu untundi..i am sure..

They could have done it behind closed doors without media coverage or should have waited till Corona was gone...

I condemn this act..
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