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Post Number: 716 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 47.31.156.83
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I have heard that the Blessed One was dwelling near RÄ�jagaha in the Bamboo Forest, the Squirrels’ Sanctuary. Then Prince Abhaya went to Nigaṇá¹ha NÄ�á¹aputta and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As he was sitting there, Nigaṇá¹ha NÄ�á¹aputta said to him, “Come, now, prince. Refute the words of Gotama the contemplative, and this admirable report about you will spread afar: ‘The words of Gotama the contemplative—so mighty, so powerful—were refuted by Prince Abhaya!’â€� “But how, lord, will I refute the words of Gotama the contemplative—so mighty, so powerful?â€� “Come now, prince. Go to Gotama the contemplative and, on arrival, say this: ‘Lord, would the TathÄ�gata say words that are unendearing & disagreeable to others?’ If Gotama the contemplative, thus asked, answers, ‘The TathÄ�gata would say words that are unendearing & disagreeable to others,’ then you should say, ‘Then how is there any difference between you, lord, and run-of-the-mill people? For even run-of-the-mill people say words that are unendearing & disagreeable to others.’ But if Gotama the contemplative, thus asked, answers, ‘The TathÄ�gata would not say words that are unendearing & disagreeable to others,’ then you should say, ‘Then how, lord, did you say of Devadatta that “Devadatta is doomed to deprivation, Devadatta is doomed to hell, Devadatta will stay for an eon, Devadatta is incurableâ€�? For Devadatta was upset & disgruntled at those words of yours.’ When Gotama the contemplative is asked this two-pronged question by you, he won’t be able to swallow it down or spit it up. Just as if a two-horned chestnut162 were stuck in a man’s throat: He would not be able to swallow it down or spit it up. In the same way, when Gotama the contemplative is asked this two-pronged question by you, he won’t be able to swallow it down or spit it up.â€� Responding, “As you say, lord,â€� to Nigaṇá¹ha NÄ�á¹aputta, Prince Abhaya got up from his seat, bowed down to Nigaṇá¹ha NÄ�á¹aputta, circumambulated him, and then went to the Blessed One. On arrival, having bowed down to the Blessed One, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there, he glanced up at the sun and thought, “Today is not the time to refute the Blessed One’s words. Tomorrow in my own home I will refute the Blessed One’s words.â€� So he said to the Blessed One, “Lord, may the Blessed One, together with three others, acquiesce to my offer of tomorrow’s meal.â€� The Blessed One acquiesced with silence. Then Prince Abhaya, understanding the Blessed One’s acquiescence, got up from his seat, bowed down to the Blessed One, circumambulated him, and left. Then, after the night had passed, early in the morning, the Blessed One—having adjusted his under robe and carrying his bowl & outer robe—went to Prince Abhaya’s residence. On arrival, he sat down on a seat laid out. Prince Abhaya, with his own hand, served & satisfied the Blessed One with fine staple & non-staple foods. Then, when the Blessed One had finished his meal and had rinsed his bowl & hands, Prince Abhaya took a lower seat and sat to one side. As he was sitting there he said to the Blessed One, “Lord, would the TathÄ�gata say words that are unendearing & disagreeable to others?â€� “Prince, there is no categorical yes-or-no answer to that.â€� “Then right here, lord, the Nigaṇá¹has are destroyed.â€� “But prince, why do you say, ‘Then right here, lord, the Nigaṇá¹has are destroyed’?â€� “Just yesterday, lord, I went to Nigaṇá¹ha NÄ�á¹aputta and… he said to me… ‘Come now, prince. Go to Gotama the contemplative and, on arrival, say this: “Lord, would the TathÄ�gata say words that are unendearing & disagreeable to others?â€� … Just as if a two-horned chestnut were stuck in a man’s throat: He would not be able to swallow it down or spit it up. In the same way, when Gotama the contemplative is asked this two-pronged question by you, he won’t be able to swallow it down or spit it up.’â€� Now at that time a baby boy was lying face-up on the prince’s lap. So the Blessed One said to the prince, “What do you think, prince? If this young boy, through your own negligence or that of the nurse, were to take a stick or a piece of gravel into its mouth, what would you do?â€� “I would take it out, lord. If I couldn’t get it out right away, then holding its head in my left hand and crooking a finger of my right, I would take it out, even if it meant drawing blood. Why is that? Because I have sympathy for the young boy.â€� “In the same way, prince: [1] In the case of words that the TathÄ�gata knows to be unfactual, untrue, unbeneficial [or: not connected with the goal], unendearing & disagreeable to others, he does not say them. [2] In the case of words that the TathÄ�gata knows to be factual, true, unbeneficial, unendearing & disagreeable to others, he does not say them. [3] In the case of words that the TathÄ�gata knows to be factual, true, beneficial, but unendearing & disagreeable to others, he has a sense of the proper time for saying them. [4] In the case of words that the TathÄ�gata knows to be unfactual, untrue, unbeneficial, but endearing & agreeable to others, he does not say them. [5] In the case of words that the TathÄ�gata knows to be factual, true, unbeneficial, but endearing & agreeable to others, he does not say them. [6] In the case of words that the TathÄ�gata knows to be factual, true, beneficial, and endearing & agreeable to others, he has a sense of the proper time for saying them. Why is that? Because the TathÄ�gata has sympathy for living beings.â€� “Lord, when wise nobles or brahmans, householders or contemplatives, having formulated questions, come to the TathÄ�gata and ask him, does this line of reasoning appear to his awareness beforehand—‘If those who approach me ask this, I, thus asked, will answer in this way’—or does the TathÄ�gata come up with the answer on the spot?â€� “In that case, prince, I will ask you a counter-question. Answer as you see fit. What do you think? Are you skilled in the parts of a chariot?â€� “Yes, lord. I am skilled in the parts of a chariot.â€� “And what do you think, prince? When people come & ask you, ‘What is the name of this part of the chariot?’ does this line of reasoning appear to your awareness beforehand—‘If those who approach me ask this, I, thus asked, will answer in this way’—or do you come up with the answer on the spot?â€� “Lord, I am renowned for being skilled in the parts of a chariot. All the parts of a chariot are well known to me. I come up with the answer on the spot.â€� “In the same way, prince, when wise nobles or brahmans, householders or contemplatives, having formulated questions, come to the TathÄ�gata and ask him, he comes up with the answer on the spot. Why is that? Because the property of the Dhamma is thoroughly penetrated by the TathÄ�gata. From his thorough penetration of the property of the Dhamma, he comes up with the answer on the spot.â€� When this was said, Prince Abhaya said to the Blessed One: “Magnificent, lord! Magnificent! … May the Blessed One remember me as a lay follower who has gone to him for refuge from this day forward, for life.â€� — MN 58 And what of King AjÄ�tasattu? I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was dwelling near |
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Post Number: 715 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 47.31.156.83
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Schism Then Devadatta went to KokÄ�lika, Kaá¹amorakatissaka, Khaṇá¸�adeviputta, & Samuddadatta and, on arrival, said to them, “Come, friends, let’s cause a schism in Gotama the contemplative’s Saá¹…gha; let’s break the wheel of his authority.â€� When this was said, KokÄ�lika said to Devadatta, “Friend, Gotama the contemplative is mighty & powerful. How could we cause a schism in Gotama the contemplative’s Saá¹…gha or break the wheel of his authority?â€� “Come, friends, we’ll go to Gotama the contemplative and request five points: ‘Lord, the Blessed One speaks in many ways in praise of being modest, content, scrupulous, austere, gracious, self-effacing, & energetic. These five points lead in many ways to being modest, content, scrupulous, austere, gracious, self-effacing, & energetic: “‘It would be good, lord, if the monks would be wilderness-dwellers as long as they live—anyone who went down to the village would be touched with blame; if they would be almsgoers as long as they live—anyone who accepted a meal invitation would be touched with blame; if they would be cast-off cloth wearers as long as they live—anyone who accepted a householder’s robe would be touched with blame; if they would be tree-root dwellers as long as they live—anyone who went under a roof would be touched with blame; and if they would not eat meat or fish as long as they live—anyone who ate meat or fish would be touched with blame.’ “Gotama the contemplative won’t allow these five points, and we’ll inform the people about them. Friends, it’s possible to cause a schism in Gotama the contemplative’s Saá¹…gha and break his authority with these five points, because people are impressed by harsh asceticism.â€� Then Devadatta went with his following to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As he was sitting there, Devadatta said to the Blessed One, “Lord, the Blessed One speaks in many ways in praise of being modest, content, scrupulous, austere, gracious, self-effacing, & energetic. These five points lead in many ways to being modest, content, scrupulous, austere, gracious, self-effacing, & energetic: [and he repeated the five points].â€� “Enough, Devadatta, Whoever wants to may be a wilderness-dweller. Whoever wants to may stay in a village. Whoever wants to may be an almsgoer. Whoever wants to may accept meal invitations. Whoever wants to may be a cast-off cloth wearer. Whoever wants to may accept cloth from householders. I have allowed dwelling at the root of a tree for eight months, as well as meat & fish that is pure on three counts: neither seen, heard, nor suspected [that the animal was killed in order to offer its meat to monks].â€� Then Devadatta, (thinking,) “The Blessed One doesn’t allow the five points,â€� thrilled & exultant, got up from his seat together with his following. Bowing to the Blessed One and circumambulating him, keeping him on his right, he left. — Cv 7:3.10–15 “Then again, a person of no integrity is a wilderness dweller.159 He notices, ‘I am a wilderness dweller, but these other monks are not wilderness dwellers.’ He exalts himself for being a wilderness dweller and disparages others. This is the quality of a person of no integrity. “But a person of integrity notices, ‘It’s not through being a wilderness dweller that the quality of greed subsides; it’s not through being a wilderness dweller that the quality of aversion… the quality of delusion subsides. Even though one is not a wilderness dweller, if—practicing the Dhamma in line with the Dhamma, practicing masterfully—he is one who follows the Dhamma, he is to be honored for that, praised for that.’ So, giving priority just to the practice, he neither exalts himself for being a wilderness dweller nor disparages others. This is the quality of a person of integrity. “Then again, a person of no integrity is one who wears robes of cast-off cloth… is an almsgoer… is one who dwells at the root of a tree… is a cemetery dweller… is one who lives in the open air… is one who doesn’t lie down… is one who is content with whatever dwelling is assigned to him… is one who eats only one meal a day. He notices, ‘I am one who eats only one meal a day, but these other monks do not eat only one meal a day.’ He exalts himself for being one who eats only one meal a day and disparages others. This is the quality of a person of no integrity. “But a person of integrity notices, ‘It’s not through being one who eats only one meal a day that the quality of greed subsides; it’s not through being one who eats only one meal a day that the quality of aversion… the quality of delusion subsides. Even though one is not one who eats only one meal a day, if—practicing the Dhamma in line with the Dhamma, practicing masterfully—he is one who follows the Dhamma, he is to be honored for that, praised for that.’ So, giving priority just to the practice, he neither exalts himself for being one who eats only one meal a day nor disparages others. This is the quality of a person of integrity.â€� — MN 113 Then Devadatta entered RÄ�jagaha together with his following and informed the people about the five points: “Friends, having gone to Gotama the contemplative, we requested these five points: ‘Lord, the Blessed One speaks in many ways in praise of being modest, content, scrupulous, austere, gracious, self-effacing, & energetic. These five points lead in many ways to being modest, content, scrupulous, austere, gracious, self-effacing, & energetic: [and he repeated the five points].â€� Gotama the contemplative did not allow these five points, but we, having undertaken them, are practicing them.â€� The people there who were lacking in conviction and confidence, of little intelligence, said, “These Sakyan-son contemplatives are renunciates, practicing austerities, whereas Gotama the contemplative is intent on abundance.â€� But those people who had conviction, confidence, wisdom, and intelligence criticized & complained & spread it about, “How can Devadatta attempt to cause a schism in the Saá¹…gha and to break the wheel of authority?â€� The monks heard the people criticizing & complaining & spreading it about. Those monks who were modest… criticized & complained & spread it about, “How can Devadatta attempt to cause a schism in the Saá¹…gha and to break the wheel of authority?â€� So they reported the matter to the Blessed One. “Is it true, Devadatta, that you are attempting to cause a schism in the Saá¹…gha and break the wheel of authority?â€� “It’s true, O Blessed One.â€� “Enough, Devadatta. Don’t advocate a schism in the Saá¹…gha. A schism in the Saá¹…gha is serious. Whoever splits the unity (of the Saá¹…gha) produces demerit lasting for an eon, is boiled in hell for an eon. Whoever unifies a split Saá¹…gha produces BrahmÄ�-merit, rejoices in heaven for an eon. Enough, Devadatta. Don’t advocate a schism in the Saá¹…gha. A schism in the Saá¹…gha is serious.â€� Then, early in the morning, Ven. Ä€nanda—having adjusted his under robe and carrying his bowl & outer robe—entered RÄ�jagaha for alms. Devadatta saw Ven. Ä€nanda going for alms in RÄ�jagaha and, on seeing him, went to him. On arrival, he said to him, “Friend Ä€nanda, from today onward I will do the Uposatha and Saá¹…gha transactions separately from the Blessed One, separately from the Saá¹…gha of monks.â€�160 Then Ven. Ä€nanda, having gone for alms in RÄ�jagaha, after his meal, returned from his almsround, went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As he was sitting there, he said to the Blessed One, “Just now, lord… I entered RÄ�jagaha for alms. Devadatta saw me going for alms in RÄ�jagaha and, on seeing me, came up to me. On arrival, he said to me, ’Friend Ä€nanda, from today onward I will do the Uposatha and Saá¹…gha transactions separately from the Blessed One, separately from the Saá¹…gha of monks.’ Today Devadatta will split the Saá¹…gha.â€� Then, on realizing the significance of that, the Blessed One on that occasion exclaimed: “Good, for the good, is easy to do. Good, for the evil, is hard to do. Evil, for the evil, is easy to do. Evil, for the noble ones, is hard to do.â€� — Cv 7:3.15–17 Only for his ruin does renown come to the fool. It ravages his bright fortune & rips his head apart. He would want unwarranted status, preeminence among monks, authority among monasteries, homage from lay families. ‘Let householders & those gone forth both think that this was done by me alone. May I alone determine what’s a duty, what’s not’: the resolve of a fool as they grow— his desire & pride. The path to material gain goes one way, the way to unbinding, another. Realizing this, the monk, a disciple of the Awakened One, should not relish offerings, should cultivate seclusion instead. — Dhp 72–75 Then Devadatta, on the day of the Uposatha, getting up from his seat, took a bamboo stick [used for drawing lots], (and said,) “I went to Gotama the contemplative and requested five things: ‘Lord, the Blessed One speaks in many ways in praise of being modest… & energetic. These five things lead in many ways to being modest… & energetic. It would be good, lord, if the monks would be wilderness-dwellers as long as they live—anyone who went down to the village would be touched with blame;… and if they would not eat meat or fish as long as they live—anyone who ate meat or fish would be touched with blame. Gotama the contemplative did not allow these five things, but we, having undertaken them, are practicing them. He to whom these five things are agreeable should take a bamboo stick.â€� At that time, five hundred new Vajjian-son monks from VesÄ�lī—newly ordained and knowing little of what had been done, (thinking,) “This is Dhamma; this is Vinaya; this is the Teacher’s dispensationâ€�—took bamboo sticks. Then Devadatta, having split the Saá¹…gha, set out for GayÄ� Head, taking the five hundred monks. Then SÄ�riputta & MoggallÄ�na went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, bowed down to him and sat to one side. As he was sitting there, Ven. SÄ�riputta said to the Blessed One, “Lord, Devadatta, having split the Saá¹…gha, has set out for GayÄ� Head, taking five hundred monks.â€� “Don’t you have compassion for those five hundred new monks? Go—before those monks come to ruin.â€� Responding, “As you say, lord,â€� to the Blessed One, SÄ�riputta & MoggallÄ�na, getting up from their seats, bowed down to the Blessed One, circumambulated him, keeping him to their right, and went to GayÄ� Head. At that time, a certain monk was standing not far from the Blessed One, crying. Then the Blessed One said to him, “Why are you crying, monk?â€� “The Blessed One’s foremost disciples, SÄ�riputta & MoggallÄ�na, are going into Devadatta’s presence, approving of his Dhamma.â€� “It’s impossible, monk, it cannot happen that SÄ�riputta & MoggallÄ�na would approve of Devadatta’s Dhamma. On the contrary, they have gone to convince the monks (to return).â€� At that time, Devadatta, surrounded by a large assembly, was sitting and teaching the Dhamma. He saw SÄ�riputta & MoggallÄ�na coming from afar and, on seeing them, addressed the monks, “Monks, see how well I teach the Dhamma? Even Gotama the contemplative’s foremost disciples, SÄ�riputta & MoggallÄ�na, are coming into my presence, approving of my Dhamma.â€� When this was said, KokÄ�lika said to Devadatta, “Friend Devadatta, don’t trust SÄ�riputta & MoggallÄ�na. SÄ�riputta & MoggallÄ�na have evil desires and have come under the influence of evil desires.â€� “Enough, friend. They are welcome, as they approve of my Dhamma.â€� Then Devadatta invited Ven. SÄ�riputta to sit on half of his seat, “Come, friend SÄ�riputta, sit here.â€� Saying, “Enough, friend,â€� and taking another seat, Ven. SÄ�riputta sat to one side. Ven. MoggallÄ�na also took a seat and sat to one side. Then Devadatta, having instructed, urged, roused, & encouraged the monks with Dhamma talk for most of the night, invited Ven. SÄ�riputta, (saying,) “Friend SÄ�riputta, the Saá¹…gha of monks is free of sleepiness. May a Dhamma talk for the monks come to you. My back is tired; I’m going to stretch it out. “As you say, friend,â€� Ven. SÄ�riputta responded to Devadatta. Then Devadatta, having folded his outer robe in four, lay down on his right side. Tired, with muddled mindfulness, unalert, he fell asleep in a moment. Then Ven. SÄ�riputta taught and exhorted the monks with a Dhamma talk, using the marvel of pointing out (the states in his listeners’ minds).161 Ven. MoggallÄ�na taught and exhorted the monks with a Dhamma talk, using the marvel of supranormal power. As the monks were being taught and exhorted by Ven. SÄ�riputta, using the marvel of mind-reading, and by Ven. MoggallÄ�na, using the marvel of supranormal power, there arose for them the dustless, stainless Dhamma eye: “Whatever is subject to origination is all subject to cessation.â€� Then Ven. SÄ�riputta addressed the monks, “We are going into the Blessed One’s presence. May those who approve of the Blessed One’s Dhamma come.â€� So SÄ�riputta & MoggallÄ�na went to the Bamboo Forest, taking along the five hundred monks. Then KokÄ�lika woke Devadatta, “Get up, friend Devadatta. SÄ�riputta & MoggallÄ�na have led the monks away. Didn’t I say, ‘Friend Devadatta, don’t trust SÄ�riputta & MoggallÄ�na. SÄ�riputta & MoggallÄ�na have evil desires and have come under the influence of evil desires’?â€� Devadatta coughed up hot blood from his mouth right there. Then SÄ�riputta & MoggallÄ�na went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As he was sitting there, Ven. SÄ�riputta said to the Blessed One, “Lord, it would be good if the followers of the schismatic were to be re-accepted [reordained].â€� “Enough, SÄ�riputta, of your advocating the re-acceptance of the followers of the schismatic. In that case, you should have the followers of the schismatic confess a grave offense. And how did Devadatta behave toward you?â€� “Lord Blessed One, Devadatta, having instructed, urged, roused, & encouraged the monks with Dhamma talk for most of the night, invited me (saying ‘Friend SÄ�riputta, the Saá¹…gha of monks is free of sleepiness. May a Dhamma talk for the monks come to you. My back is tired; I’m going to stretch it out.’ That’s how Devadatta behaved.â€� Then the Blessed One addressed the monks: “Monks, there was once a great lake in the wilderness, and there were nÄ�gas [elephants] living in dependence on it. Plunging into the lake, they would pull up lotus roots and stalks with their trunks and—having washed them so that they were well washed, having chewed them when they were free of mud—would swallow them. This led to beauty and strength for them, and from that cause there came neither death nor death-like pain. “But the young calf elephants, imitating the behavior of those nÄ�gas, plunged into the lake and pulled up lotus roots and stalks with their trunks. Without washing them so that they were well washed, they chewed them while they were still muddy and swallowed them. This did not lead to beauty and strength for them, and from that cause there came either death or death-like pain. “In just the same way, monks, Devadatta, poor wretch, imitating me, will die. “Whereas a great elephant, shaking the earth, eating lotuses, is vigilant among the rivers, like a calf eating mud, the poor wretch, imitating me, will die. “Monks, conquered by eight non-Dhamma qualities—his mind overwhelmed—Devadatta is doomed to deprivation, doomed to hell, to stay for an eon. Which eight? “Conquered by gain—his mind overwhelmed—Devadatta is doomed to deprivation, doomed to hell, to stay for an eon. “Conquered by lack of gain… status… lack of status… honor… lack of honor… having evil ambition… evil friendship—his mind overwhelmed—Devadatta is doomed to deprivation, doomed to hell, to stay for an eon. “Monks, conquered by these eight non-Dhamma qualities—his mind overwhelmed—Devadatta is doomed to deprivation, doomed to hell, to stay for an eon. “Monks, it’s good for a monk to keep conquering again & again any arisen material gain. It’s good for a monk to keep conquering again & again any arisen lack of material gain… any arisen status… any arisen lack of status… any arisen offerings… any arisen lack of offerings… any arisen evil ambition… any arisen evil friendship. “And for what compelling reason should a monk keep conquering again & again any arisen material gain… any arisen evil friendship? Because when one dwells not having conquered any arisen material gain, effluents arise, along with vexations & fevers. But when one dwells having conquered any arisen material gain, those effluents, vexations, & fevers do not exist. [Similarly with any arisen lack of material gain, any arisen status, any arisen lack of status, any arisen offerings, any arisen lack of offerings, any arisen evil ambition, & any arisen evil friendship.] “It’s for this compelling reason that a monk should keep conquering again & again any arisen material gain… any arisen evil friendship. “Therefore, monks, you should train yourselves: ‘We will keep conquering again & again any arisen material gain… any arisen lack of material gain… any arisen status… any arisen lack of status… any arisen offerings… any arisen lack of offerings… any arisen evil ambition… any arisen evil friendship.’ That’s how you should train yourselves. “Monks, conquered by three non-Dhamma qualities—his mind overwhelmed—Devadatta is doomed to deprivation, doomed to hell, to stay for an eon. Which three? Evil ambition, friendship with evil people, and, there being something further to be done, he nevertheless stopped halfway with a lower modicum of distinctive attainment. Conquered by these three non-Dhamma qualities—his mind overwhelmed—Devadatta is doomed to deprivation, doomed to hell, to stay for an eon, incurable.â€� May no one in the world ever be reborn with evil ambition. Know that through that evil ambition, his destination’s that of all who have evil ambitions. I’ve heard how Devadatta, —regarded as wise, composed, incandescent with honor— in the thrall of heedlessness assaulted the TathÄ�gata and fell to the four-gated, fearful place: AvÄ«ci, unmitigated hell. Whoever plots against one free of corruption who’s done no evil deed: That evil touches him himself, corrupted in mind, disrespectful. Whoever might think of polluting the ocean with a pot of poison, couldn’t succeed, for the mass of water is great. So it is when anyone attacks with abuse the TathÄ�gata —rightly-gone, of peaceful mind— for abuse doesn’t grow on him. A wise person should make friends, should associate, with a person like him— whose path a monk can pursue and reach the ending of suffering & stress |
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At that time, the Blessed One—surrounded by a large assembly, including the king—was sitting and teaching the Dhamma. Then Devadatta, getting up from his seat, arranging his robe over one shoulder, and raising his hands palm-to-palm in front of his heart, said to the Blessed One, “Lord, the Blessed One is now old, elderly, aged, advanced in years, in the last phase of life. May the Blessed One dwell at rest, devoted to a pleasant abiding in the here-&-now. May the Blessed One relinquish the Saṅgha of monks to me. I’ll take charge of the Saṅgha of monks.� “Enough, Devadatta, don’t aim at taking charge of the Saṅgha of monks.� A second time… A third time, Devadatta said to the Blessed One, “Lord, the Blessed One is now old, elderly, aged, advanced in years, in the last phase of life. May the Blessed One dwell at rest, devoted to a pleasant abiding in the here-and-now. May the Blessed One relinquish the Saṅgha of monks to me. I’ll take charge of the Saṅgha of monks.� “I wouldn’t relinquish the Saṅgha of monks even to S�riputta & Moggall�na, so why would I relinquish it to you, you miserable lick-spittle?� Then Devadatta, (thinking,) “Even in an assembly including the king, the Blessed One insults me with the word ‘lick-spittle’ and extols S�riputta & Moggall�na,� angry and displeased, having bowed down to the Blessed One, circumambulated him, keeping him to his right, and left. This, then, was the beginning of Devadatta’s hatred of the Blessed One. Then the Blessed One addressed the monks: “In that case, monks, the Saṅgha should perform an act for the denouncement of Devadatta in R�jagaha: ‘Previously, Devadatta’s character was one thing; now it’s another. Whatever Devadatta does, by body or speech, neither the Buddha, the Dhamma, nor the Saṅgha should be regarded in light of that. Only Devadatta should be regarded in light of that.’ “Monks, it should be done like this: An experienced and competent monk should inform the Saṅgha: ‘Venerable sirs, may the Saṅgha listen to me. If the Saṅgha is ready, it should perform an act for the denouncement of Devadatta in R�jagaha: “Previously, Devadatta’s character was one thing; now it’s another. Whatever Devadatta does, by body or speech, neither the Buddha, nor the Dhamma, nor the Saṅgha should be regarded in light of that; only Devadatta should be regarded in light of that.� This is the motion. “‘Venerable sirs, may the Saṅgha listen to me. The Saṅgha is performing an act for the denouncement of Devadatta in R�jagaha: “Previously, Devadatta’s character was one thing; now it’s another. Whatever Devadatta does, by body or speech, neither the Buddha, nor the Dhamma, nor the Saṅgha should be regarded in light of that; only Devadatta should be regarded in light of that.� “‘He to whom the performing of an act for the denouncement of Devadatta in R�jagaha thus—“Previously, Devadatta’s character was one thing; now it’s another. Whatever Devadatta does, by body or speech, neither the Buddha, nor the Dhamma, nor the Saṅgha should be regarded in light of that; only Devadatta should be regarded in light of that�—is agreeable should remain silent. He to whom it is not agreeable should speak. “‘An act for the denouncement of Devadatta in R�jagaha has been done by the Saṅgha: “Previously, Devadatta’s character was one thing; now it’s another. Whatever Devadatta does, by body or speech, neither the Buddha, nor the Dhamma, nor the Saṅgha should be regarded in light of that; only Devadatta should be regarded in light of that.� This is agreeable to the Saṅgha, therefore it is silent. Thus do I hold it.’� Then the Blessed One addressed Ven. S�riputta, “In this case, S�riputta, denounce Devadatta in R�jagaha.� “Lord, before, I spoke in praise of Devadatta in R�jagaha: ‘Godhiputta [Devadatta] is mighty; Godhiputta is powerful.’ How could I denounce Devadatta in R�jagaha?� “Was it true, S�riputta, the praise you spoke of Devadatta in R�jagaha: ‘Godhiputta is mighty; Godhiputta is powerful’?� “Yes, lord.� “In just the same way, S�riputta, denounce Devadatta in R�jagaha truthfully.� “As you say, lord,� Ven. S�riputta responded to the Blessed One. Then the Blessed One addressed the monks: “In this case, monks, the Saṅgha should authorize S�riputta to denounce Devadatta in R�jagaha.…� Ven. S�riputta, authorized by the Saṅgha, entered R�jagaha along with a large number of monks and denounced Devadatta there: “Previously, Devadatta’s character was one thing; now it’s another. Whatever Devadatta does, by body or speech, neither the Buddha, nor the Dhamma, nor the Saṅgha should be regarded in light of that; only Devadatta should be regarded in light of that.� The people there who were lacking in conviction and confidence, of little intelligence, said, “These Sakyan-son contemplatives are envious. They envy Devadatta’s gains, honor, & fame.� But those with conviction and confidence, intelligent, said, “This must be no small matter that the Blessed One is having Devadatta denounced in R�jagaha |
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nor the Dhamma, nor the Saṅgha should be regarded in light of that; only Devadatta should be regarded in light of that.� “‘He to whom the performing of an act for the denouncement of Devadatta in R�jagaha thus—“Previously, Devadatta’s character was one thing; now it’s another. Whatever Devadatta does, by body or speech, neither the Buddha, nor the Dhamma, nor the Saṅgha should be regarded in light of that; only Devadatta should be regarded in light of that�—is agreeable should remain silent. He to whom it is not agreeable should speak. “‘An act for the denouncement of Devadatta in R�jagaha has been done by the Saṅgha: “Previously, Devadatta’s character was one thing; now it’s another. Whatever Devadatta does, by body or speech, neither the Buddha, nor the Dhamma, nor the Saṅgha should be regarded in light of that; only Devadatta should be regarded in light of that.� This is agreeable to the Saṅgha, therefore it is silent. Thus do I hold it.’� Then the Blessed One addressed Ven. S�riputta, “In this case, S�riputta, denounce Devadatta in R�jagaha.� “Lord, before, I spoke in praise of Devadatta in R�jagaha: ‘Godhiputta [Devadatta] is mighty; Godhiputta is powerful.’ How could I denounce Devadatta in R�jagaha?� “Was it true, S�riputta, the praise you spoke of Devadatta in R�jagaha: ‘Godhiputta is mighty; Godhiputta is powerful’?� “Yes, lord.� “In just the same way, S�riputta, denounce Devadatta in R�jagaha truthfully.� “As you say, lord,� Ven. S�riputta responded to the Blessed One. Then the Blessed One addressed the monks: “In this case, monks, the Saṅgha should authorize S�riputta to denounce Devadatta in R�jagaha.…� Ven. S�riputta, authorized by the Saṅgha, entered R�jagaha along with a large number of monks and denounced Devadatta there: “Previously, Devadatta’s character was one thing; now it’s another. Whatever Devadatta does, by body or speech, neither the Buddha, nor the Dhamma, nor the Saṅgha should be regarded in light of that; only Devadatta should be regarded in light of that.� The people there who were lacking in conviction and confidence, of little intelligence, said, “These Sakyan-son contemplatives are envious. They envy Devadatta’s gains, honor, & fame.� But those with conviction and confidence, intelligent, said, “This must be no small matter that the Blessed One is having Devadatta denounced in R�jagaha.� |
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Devadatta The second—and more serious—of the two challenges to the unity of the Saṅgha came late in the Buddha’s life. Then the Blessed One, having stayed at Anupiy� as long as he liked, set out on a wandering tour toward Kosambī and, traveling by stages, arrived there. There at Kosambī, the Blessed One stayed at Ghosita’s monastery. Then, when Devadatta was alone in seclusion, this train of thought arose in his awareness: “Who could I impress, so that, when he is impressed with me, plenty of honor & gain would arise for me?� The thought occurred to Devadatta, “This Prince Aj�tasattu is young and in the future will be fortunate. Why don’t I impress him? When he is impressed with me, plenty of honor & gain will arise for me.� Then Devadatta, having put his dwelling in order, taking his robe & bowl, set out on a walking tour toward R�jagaha, and traveling by stages, arrived there. Retracting his own appearance and assuming the appearance of a baby boy girdled with snakes, he appeared in Prince Aj�tasattu’s lap. Prince Aj�tasattu was afraid, apprehensive, alarmed, & trembling. Then Devadatta said to Prince Aj�tasattu, “Are you afraid of me, Prince?� “Yes, I’m afraid. Who are you?� “I’m Devadatta.� “Sir, if you’re Master Devadatta, please appear in your own appearance.� So Devadatta, retracting the appearance of a baby boy, stood holding his bowl, upper robe, & outer robe in front of Prince Aj�tasattu. Impressed by Devadatta’s feat of supranormal power, Prince Aj�tasattu went to visit him with five hundred chariots, morning & evening, and a donation of five hundred pots of food-offerings was offered [each day]. Then ambition arose in Devadatta—overcome by gains, offerings, & fame, his mind out of control—so that he thought, “I’ll take charge of the Saṅgha of monks.� With the arising of this thought, he fell away from his supranormal power. At that time, Kakkudha the Koliyan-son, Ven. Mah� Moggall�na’s attendant, not long deceased, re-arose in a certain group of mind-made devas. He had an acquisition of identity [body] that was like two or three Magadhan village-territories [in size], but he injured neither himself nor others because of that acquisition of identity. Then Kakkudha the deva-son went to Ven. Mah� Moggall�na and, on arrival, bowed down to him and stood to one side. As he was standing there, he said to Ven. Mah� Moggall�na, “Ambition has arisen for Devadatta—overcome by gains, offerings, & fame, his mind out of control—so that he thinks, ‘I’ll take charge of the Saṅgha of monks.’ With the arising of this thought, Devadatta has fallen away from his supranormal power.� That is what Kakkudha the deva-son said. Having said that, then—bowing down to Ven. Mah� Moggall�na, circumambulating him, keeping him on his right—he disappeared right there. Then Ven. Mah� Moggall�na went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As he was sitting there, Ven. Mah� Moggall�na said to the Blessed One, “Lord, Kakkudha the Koliyan-son, my attendant, not long deceased, has re-arisen in a certain group of mind-made devas. He has an acquisition of identity that’s like two or three Magadhan village-territories in size, but he injures neither himself nor others because of that acquisition of identity. Then Kakkudha the deva-son came to me and, on arrival, bowed down to me and stood to one side. As he was standing there, he said to me, ‘Ambition has arisen for Devadatta—overcome by gains, offerings, & fame, his mind out of control—so that he thinks, “I’ll take charge of the Saṅgha of monks.� With the arising of this thought, Devadatta has fallen away from his supranormal power.’ “That is what Kakkudha the deva-son said. Having said that, then—bowing down to me, circumambulating me, keeping me on his right—he disappeared right there.� “Moggall�na, have you investigated and known Kakkudha the deva-son’s awareness with your awareness that ‘Whatever Kakkudha the deva-son says is all true and not otherwise’?� “Lord, I have investigated and known Kakkudha the deva-son’s awareness with my awareness that ‘Whatever Kakkudha the deva-son says is all true and not otherwise.’� “Mark these words, Moggall�na. Mark these words. Soon this worthless man will reveal himself. “Moggall�na, there are these five teachers to be found existing in the world. Which five? “There is the case where a certain teacher, being impure in virtue, claims to be pure in virtue, ‘My virtue is pure, clean, & undefiled.’ But his students know of him that, ‘This honorable teacher, being impure in virtue, claims to be pure in virtue: “My virtue is pure, clean, & undefiled.� But if we were to tell the householders, he wouldn’t be pleased, and how could we behave toward him in a way that would make him displeased? And, besides, he is honored with robes, almsfood, lodgings, & medicines for curing the sick. Whatever one does oneself, by that will one be known.’ “The students protect such a teacher with regard to his virtue, and such a teacher expects from his students protection with regard to his virtue. “Then again, there is the case where a teacher, being impure in livelihood… Dhamma-teaching… explaining (the Dhamma)… knowledge & vision, claims to be pure in knowledge & vision, ‘My knowledge & vision is pure, clean, & undefiled.’ But his students know of him that ‘This honorable teacher, being impure in knowledge & vision, claims to be pure in knowledge & vision: “My knowledge & vision is pure, clean, & undefiled.� But if we were to tell the householders, he wouldn’t be pleased, and how could we behave toward him in a way that would make him displeased? And besides, he is honored with robes, almsfood, lodgings, & medicines for curing the sick. Whatever one does oneself, by that will one be known.’ “The students protect such a teacher with regard to his knowledge & vision, and such a teacher expects from his students protection with regard to his knowledge & vision. “Moggall�na, these are the five teachers to be found existing in the world. “But I, being pure in virtue, claim to be pure in virtue: ‘My virtue is pure, clean, & undefiled.’ My students don’t protect me with regard to my virtue, and I don’t expect from my students protection with regard to my virtue. Being pure in my livelihood… Dhamma-teaching… in explaining… knowledge & vision, I claim to be pure in knowledge & vision: ‘My knowledge & vision is pure, clean, & undefiled.’ My students don’t protect me with regard to my knowledge & vision, and I don’t expect from my students protection with regard to my knowledge & vision.� Then the Blessed One, having stayed at Kosambī as long as he liked, set out on a wandering tour toward R�jagaha and, traveling by stages, arrived at R�jagaha. There at R�jagaha he stayed in the Bamboo Forest, the Squirrels’ Sanctuary. Then many monks went to the Blessed One. On arrival, having bowed down to him, they sat to one side. As they were sitting there, the monks said to the Blessed One, “Lord, Prince Aj�tasattu goes to visit Devadatta with five hundred chariots, morning & evening, and five hundred pots of food-offerings are being offered.� “Monks, don’t envy Devadatta’s gains, honor, & fame. As long as Prince Aj�tasattu goes to visit him with five hundred chariots, morning & evening, and five hundred pots of food-offerings are being offered, only decline in terms of skillful qualities can be expected for Devadatta, not increase. “Just as when bile breaks into a vicious dog’s nose154 it becomes even more vicious, in the same way, as long as Prince Aj�tasattu goes to visit him with five hundred chariots, morning & evening, and five hundred pots of food-offerings are being offered, only decline in terms of skillful qualities can be expected for Devadatta, not increase. “It’s for his own destruction that gains, honor, & fame have arisen for Devadatta; it’s for his own ruin that gains, honor, & fame have arisen for Devadatta. “Just as it’s for its own destruction that a banana tree bears fruit; it’s for its own ruin that a banana tree bears fruit, in just the same way, it’s for his own destruction… his own ruin that gains, honor, & fame have arisen for Devadatta. “Just as it’s for its own destruction that a bamboo plant bears fruit… a reed bears fruit… a she-mule becomes pregnant… in just the same way, it’s for his own destruction… his own ruin that gains, honor, & fame have arisen for Devadatta. “The fruit, truly, kills the banana tree; the fruit, the bamboo; the fruit, the reed. Honor kills the vile man like a fetus, a she-mule.� — Cv 7:2 “Monks, gains, honor, & fame are a cruel thing, a harsh, bitter obstacle to the attainment of the unexcelled rest from bondage. “Once, monks, a large family of turtles had lived for a long time in a certain freshwater lake. Then one turtle said to another, ‘My dear turtle, don’t go to that area.’ But the turtle went to that area, and because of that a hunter lanced him with a harpoon. So he went back to the first turtle. The first turtle saw him coming from afar and, on seeing him, said to him, ‘I hope, dear turtle, that you didn’t go to that area.’ “‘I went to that area, dear turtle.’ “‘Then I hope you haven’t been wounded or hurt.’ “‘I haven’t been wounded or hurt, but there’s this cord that keeps dragging behind me.’ “‘Yes, dear turtle, you’re wounded, you’re hurt. It was because of that cord that your father & grandfather fell into misfortune & disaster. Now go, dear turtle. You are no longer one of us.’ “The hunter, monks, stands for M�ra the Evil One. The harpoon stands for gains, honor, & fame. The cord stands for delight & passion. Any monk who relishes & revels in gains, offerings, & fame that have arisen is called a monk lanced by the harpoon, who has fallen into misfortune & disaster. The Evil One can do with him as he will. That’s how cruel gains, honor, & fame are: a harsh, bitter obstacle to the attainment of the unexcelled rest from bondage. “So you should train yourselves: ‘We will put aside any gains, honor, & fame that have arisen; and we will not let any gains, honor, & fame that have arisen keep our minds consumed.’ That’s how you should train yourselves. |
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own destruction… his own ruin that gains, honor, & fame have arisen for Devadatta. “Just as it’s for its own destruction that a bamboo plant bears fruit… a reed bears fruit… a she-mule becomes pregnant… in just the same way, it’s for his own destruction… his own ruin that gains, honor, & fame have arisen for Devadatta. “The fruit, truly, kills the banana tree; the fruit, the bamboo; the fruit, the reed. Honor kills the vile man like a fetus, a she-mule.� — Cv 7:2 “Monks, gains, honor, & fame are a cruel thing, a harsh, bitter obstacle to the attainment of the unexcelled rest from bondage. “Once, monks, a large family of turtles had lived for a long time in a certain freshwater lake. Then one turtle said to another, ‘My dear turtle, don’t go to that area.’ But the turtle went to that area, and because of that a hunter lanced him with a harpoon. So he went back to the first turtle. The first turtle saw him coming from afar and, on seeing him, said to him, ‘I hope, dear turtle, that you didn’t go to that area.’ “‘I went to that area, dear turtle.’ “‘Then I hope you haven’t been wounded or hurt.’ “‘I haven’t been wounded or hurt, but there’s this cord that keeps dragging behind me.’ “‘Yes, dear turtle, you’re wounded, you’re hurt. It was because of that cord that your father & grandfather fell into misfortune & disaster. Now go, dear turtle. You are no longer one of us.’ “The hunter, monks, stands for M�ra the Evil One. The harpoon stands for gains, honor, & fame. The cord stands for delight & passion. Any monk who relishes & revels in gains, offerings, & fame that have arisen is called a monk lanced by the harpoon, who has fallen into misfortune & disaster. The Evil One can do with him as he will. That’s how cruel gains, honor, & fame are: a harsh, bitter obstacle to the attainment of the unexcelled rest from bondage. “So you should train yourselves: ‘We will put aside any gains, honor, & fame that have arisen; and we will not let any gains, honor, & fame that have arisen keep our minds consumed.’ That’s how you should train yourselves.� |
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Āmagandhasutta—Bhikkhu Sujato Anthology of Discourses 2.2 Putrefaction “The good eat properly obtained millet, wild grains, broomcorn, greens, tubers, and grapes. They don’t lie to get what they want. But when you eat delicious food, nicely cooked and prepared, and offered by others, Dinna� and payata� are synonyms. enjoying a dish of fine rice, Kassapa, you eat putrefaction. “Putrefaction� (�magandha) was to be shunned by Jain ascetics (Ācaraṅgasūtra 1.5.1.10.15: savv’ �magandha� parinn�ya nir�magandhe parivvae.) ‘Putrefaction is not appropriate for me’— so you said, O brahmin only by kin. Yet here you are enjoying a dish of fine rice, well prepared with the flesh of fowl. (Su)saṅkhata is routinely employed by the Vedas for the food “prepared� for the sacrifice (Śatapatha Br�hmaṇa 1.1.4.10). I’m asking you this, Kassapa: what do you take to be putrefaction?� “Killing creatures, mutilation, murder, abduction; stealing, lying, cheating and fraud, learning crooked spells, adultery: Read kujja. this is putrefaction, not eating meat. People here with unbridled sensuality, greedy for tastes, mixed up in impurity, nihilists, immoral, intractable: this is putrefaction, not eating meat. Tough, callous calumniators, pitiless and arrogant betrayers of friends, misers who never give anything: this is putrefaction, not eating meat. Anger, vanity, obstinacy, contrariness, deceit, jealousy, boastfulness, haughtiness, intimacy with the wicked: Here asabbhi is instrumental of asanta, “wicked person�. this is putrefaction, not eating meat. The ill-behaved, debt-evaders, informants, business cheats and con-artists, vile men committing sin: this is putrefaction, not eating meat. People here who can’t stop harming living creatures, taking from others, intent on hurting, immoral, cruel, harsh, lacking regard for others: this is putrefaction, not eating meat. Greedy, hostile, aggressive to others, and addicted to evil— those beings pass into darkness, falling headlong into hell: this is putrefaction, not eating meat. Not fish or flesh or fasting, nudity or baldness, or dreadlocks or dirt, not rough hides or serving the sacred flame, or the many endless mortifications in the world, The split compound amara� tapa� occurs at SN 4.1:5.2 and Thag 3.1:1.4, while here we have amar� bahū tap�. The commentary explains that amara here is “immortality�, and the phrase means “fervent mortification aimed at immortality�. However, I find this unconvincing, one reason being that amara is an adjective (and thus must be glossed with an abstract noun in dative, amarabh�vatth�ya). It is simpler to assume Pali has an idiomatic sense of amara as “endless�, which occurs here, in the phrase amar�vikkhepa (DN 1:2.23.1), and in the Niddesa’s amar�vitakka (Cnd 12:6.1). Then amar� and bahū are synonyms. I cannot find any use in Sanskrit that parallels this, but amara is noted by Edgerton in Buddhist Hybrid Sanskrit as “a high number�. not hymns or oblations, sacrifices or seasonal observances, will cleanse a mortal not free of doubt. Guarding the streams of sense impressions, wander with faculties understood, Read vidita (“understood�), as variant vijita (“conquered�) is not supported by the commentary. standing on the teaching, delighting in integrity and tenderness. The attentive have slipped their chains and given up all suffering; they don’t cling to the seen and the heard.� The Buddha explained this matter to him again and again, The concluding verses identify the “Kassapa� of the poem as the Buddha Kassapa of the past. The commentary says this was added at the Council. until the master of hymns understood it. It was illustrated with colorful verses by the sage free of putrefaction, unattached, hard to trace. Having heard the fine words of the Buddha, that are free of putrefaction, casting aside all suffering; humbled, he bowed to the Realized One, and right away begged to go forth. |
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With JÄ«vaka So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near RÄ�jagaha in the Mango Grove of JÄ«vaka KomÄ�rabhacca. JÄ«vaka was the Buddha’s doctor. His story is told in Kd 8, where we learn that he was abandoned on a trash heap by his mother SÄ�lavatÄ«, only to be discovered and raised by Prince Abhaya of Magadha, a Jain (MN 58). He was called “Surviviorâ€� (jÄ«vaka) and “Raised by a Princeâ€� (komÄ�rabhacca). In later Ayurveda, kaumÄ�rabhá¹›tya means “paediatricsâ€�, and a lost treatise on that subject is attributed to JÄ«vaka (JÄ«vakatantra). Then JÄ«vaka went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him: “Sir, I have heard this: ‘They slaughter living creatures specially for the ascetic Gotama. The ascetic Gotama knowingly eats meat prepared on his behalf: this is a deed he caused.’ This was an accusation made against the Buddha by Jains (AN 8.12:31.2, Kd 6:31.13.1). They objected only to eating meat “killed on purpose for himâ€�, and so by implication not all eating of meat. This is consistent with several Jain scriptural passages indicating that ascetics may, under certain strictures, eat meat (Ä€caraá¹…gasÅ«tra 2.1.10.5–6, BhagavatÄ«sÅ«tra 557 (p. 1261a), KalpasÅ«tra (SÄ�mÄ�cÄ�rÄ« 17), DasaveyÄ�liyasutta 5–1.73). I trust those who say this repeat what the Buddha has said, and do not misrepresent him with an untruth? Is their explanation in line with the teaching? Are there any legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism?â€� “JÄ«vaka, those who say this do not repeat what I have said. They misrepresent me with what is false and untrue. In three cases I say that meat may not be eaten: it’s seen, heard, or suspected. The relevant Vinaya rule makes the meaning clear: “When you know it was killed on purpose for youâ€� (Kd 6:31.14.4). To allay suspicion of improper meat, mendicants are also required to check the provenance of meat before eating (Kd 6:23.9.9). These are three cases in which meat may not be eaten. In three cases I say that meat may be eaten: it’s not seen, heard, or suspected. These are three cases in which meat may be eaten. Take the case of a mendicant living supported by a town or village. They meditate spreading a heart full of love to one direction, and to the second, and to the third, and to the fourth. In the same way above, below, across, everywhere, all around, they spread a heart full of love to the whole world—abundant, expansive, limitless, free of enmity and ill will. A householder or their child approaches and invites them for the next day’s meal. The mendicant accepts if they want. When the night has passed, they robe up in the morning, take their bowl and robe, and approach that householder’s home, where they sit on the seat spread out. That householder or their child serves them with delicious almsfood. It never occurs to them, ‘It’s so good that this householder serves me with delicious almsfood! I hope they serve me with such delicious almsfood in the future!’ They don’t think that. They eat that almsfood untied, uninfatuated, unattached, seeing the drawback, and understanding the escape. What do you think, JÄ«vaka? At that time is that mendicant intending to hurt themselves, hurt others, or hurt both?â€� “No, sir.â€� “Aren’t they eating blameless food at that time?â€� “Yes, sir. Sir, I have heard that The Divinity abides in love. Now, I’ve seen the Buddha with my own eyes, Reading taá¹� … idaá¹� as the accusative of relation, and me as instrumental, for which compare yena brahmÄ� sakkhidiá¹á¹ho at DN 13:12.1. The point of the passage is that he has merely heard that BrahmÄ� abides in love, but he witnesses that the Buddha does so. and it is the Buddha who truly abides in love.â€� “Any greed, hate, or delusion that might give rise to ill will has been given up by the Realized One, cut off at the root, made like a palm stump, obliterated, and is unable to arise in the future. Greed, hate, and delusion are the fundamental underlying defilements that give rise to “ill willâ€�, the opposite of love. If that’s what you were referring to, I grant it.â€� “That’s exactly what I was referring to.â€� “Take the case, JÄ«vaka, of a mendicant living supported by a town or village. They meditate spreading a heart full of compassion … They meditate spreading a heart full of rejoicing … They meditate spreading a heart full of equanimity to one direction, and to the second, and to the third, and to the fourth. In the same way above, below, across, everywhere, all around, they spread a heart full of equanimity to the whole world—abundant, expansive, limitless, free of enmity and ill will. A householder or their child approaches and invites them for the next day’s meal. The mendicant accepts if they want. When the night has passed, they robe up in the morning, take their bowl and robe, and approach that householder’s home, where they sit on the seat spread out. That householder or their child serves them with delicious almsfood. It never occurs to them, ‘It’s so good that this householder serves me with delicious almsfood! I hope they serve me with such delicious almsfood in the future!’ They don’t think that. They eat that almsfood untied, uninfatuated, unattached, seeing the drawback, and understanding the escape. What do you think, JÄ«vaka? At that time is that mendicant intending to hurt themselves, hurt others, or hurt both?â€� “No, sir.â€� “Aren’t they eating blameless food at that time?â€� “Yes, sir. Sir, I have heard that The Divinity abides in equanimity. Now, I’ve seen the Buddha with my own eyes, and it is the Buddha who truly abides in equanimity.â€� “Any greed, hate, or delusion that might give rise to cruelty, discontent, or aversion has been given up by the Realized One, cut off at the root, made like a palm stump, obliterated, and is unable to arise in the future. Just as ill will is the opposite of love, “crueltyâ€� (vihesÄ�), “discontentâ€� (arati), and “repulsionâ€� (paá¹igha) are the respective opposites of compassion, rejoicing, and equanimity (MN 62:18.2 ff). If that’s what you were referring to, I grant it.â€� “That’s exactly what I was referring to.â€� “JÄ«vaka, anyone who slaughters a living creature specially for the Realized One or the Realized One’s disciple brims with much wickedness for five reasons. When they say: ‘Go, fetch that living creature,’ this is the first reason. When that living creature experiences pain and sadness as it’s led along by a collar, this is the second reason. When they say: ‘Go, slaughter that living creature,’ this is the third reason. When that living creature experiences pain and sadness as it’s being slaughtered, this is the fourth reason. When they serve the Realized One or the Realized One’s disciple with unallowable food, this is the fifth reason. Anyone who slaughters a living creature specially for the Realized One or the Realized One’s disciple brims with much wickedness for five reasons.â€� When he had spoken, JÄ«vaka said to the Buddha: “It’s incredible, sir, it’s amazing! The mendicants indeed eat allowable food. The mendicants indeed eat blameless food. Excellent, sir! Excellent! … From this day forth, may the Buddha remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.â€� This sutta marks the occasion of JÄ«vaka’s conversion. It would seem that he had previously harbored doubts due to his Jain upbringing. Elsewhere he appears as a devotee of the Buddha. |
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At one time the Buddha was staying near Ves�lī, at the Great Wood, in the hall with the peaked roof. Now at that time several very prominent Licchavis were sitting together at the town hall, praising the Buddha, his teaching, and the Saṅgha in many ways. Now at that time General Sīha, a disciple of the Jains, was sitting in that assembly. He thought, “That Blessed One must without a doubt be a perfected one, a fully awakened Buddha. For several very prominent Licchavis are praising the Buddha, his teaching, and the Saṅgha in many ways. Why don’t I go to see that Blessed One, the perfected one, the fully awakened Buddha!� Then General Sīha went to the Jain ascetic of the Ñ�tika clan and said to him, “Sir, I’d like to go to see the ascetic Gotama.� “But Sīha, you believe in the doctrine of action. Why should you go to see the ascetic Gotama, who teaches a doctrine of inaction? For the ascetic Gotama believes in a doctrine of inaction, he teaches inaction, and he guides his disciples in that way.� Then Sīha’s determination to go and see the Buddha died down. For a second time, several prominent Licchavis were sitting together at the town hall, praising the Buddha, his teaching, and the Saṅgha in many ways. And for a second time Sīha thought: “Why don’t I go to see that Blessed One, the perfected one, the fully awakened Buddha!� Then General Sīha went to the Jain Ñ�tika … Then for a second time Sīha’s determination to go and see the Buddha died down. For a third time, several prominent Licchavis were sitting together at the town hall, praising the Buddha, his teaching, and the Saṅgha in many ways. And for a third time Sīha thought, “That Blessed One must without a doubt be a perfected one, a fully awakened Buddha. For several very prominent Licchavis are praising the Buddha, his teaching, and the Saṅgha in many ways. What can these Jains do to me, whether I take leave of them or not? Why don’t I, without taking leave of them, go to see that Blessed One, the perfected one, the fully awakened Buddha!� Then Sīha, with around five hundred chariots, set out from Ves�lī in the middle of the day to see the Buddha. He went by carriage as far as the terrain allowed, then descended and went by foot. Then General Sīha went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him: “Sir, I have heard this: ‘The ascetic Gotama believes in a doctrine of inaction, he teaches inaction, and he guides his disciples in that way.’ I trust those who say this repeat what the Buddha has said, and do not misrepresent him with an untruth? Is their explanation in line with the teaching? Are there any legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism? For we don’t want to misrepresent the Blessed One.� “There is, Sīha, a sense in which you could rightly say that I believe in inaction, I teach inaction, and I guide my disciples in that way. And there is a sense in which you could rightly say that I believe in action, I teach action, and I guide my disciples in that way. And there is a sense in which you could rightly say that I believe in annihilationism, I teach annihilation, and I guide my disciples in that way. And there is a sense in which you could rightly say that I’m disgusted, I teach disgust, and I guide my disciples in that way. And there is a sense in which you could rightly say that I’m an exterminator, I teach extermination, and I guide my disciples in that way. And there is a sense in which you could rightly say that I’m a mortifier, I teach mortification, and I guide my disciples in that way. And there is a sense in which you could rightly say that I’m gutless, I teach gutlessness, and I guide my disciples in that way. And there is a sense in which you could rightly say that I’m ambitious, I teach ambition, and I guide my disciples in that way. And what’s the sense in which you could rightly say that I believe in inaction, I teach inaction, and I guide my disciples in that way? I teach inaction regarding bad bodily, verbal, and mental conduct, and the many kinds of unskillful things. In this sense you could rightly say that I teach inaction. And what’s the sense in which you could rightly say that I believe in action, I teach action, and I guide my disciples in that way? I teach action regarding good bodily, verbal, and mental conduct, and the many kinds of skillful things. In this sense you could rightly say that I teach action. And what’s the sense in which you could rightly say that I believe in annihilationism, I teach annihilation, and I guide my disciples in that way? I teach the annihilation of greed, hate, and delusion, and the many kinds of unskillful things. In this sense you could rightly say that I teach annihilationism. And what’s the sense in which you could rightly say that I’m disgusted, I teach disgust, and I guide my disciples in that way? I’m disgusted by bad conduct by way of body, speech, and mind, and by attainment of the many kinds of unskillful things. In this sense you could rightly say that I’m disgusted. And what’s the sense in which you could rightly say that I’m an exterminator, I teach extermination, and I guide my disciples in that way? I teach the extermination of greed, hate, and delusion, and the many kinds of unskillful things. In this sense you could rightly say that I’m an exterminator. And what’s the sense in which you could rightly say that I’m a mortifier, I teach mortification, and I guide my disciples in that way? I say that bad conduct by way of body, speech, and mind should be mortified. I say that a mortifier is someone who has given up unskillful qualities that should be mortified. They’ve cut them off at the root, made them like a palm stump, obliterated them, so that they’re unable to arise in the future. The Realized One is someone who has given up unskillful qualities that should be mortified. He has cut them off at the root, made them like a palm stump, obliterated them, so that they’re unable to arise in the future. In this sense you could rightly say that I’m a mortifier. And what’s the sense in which you could rightly say that I’m gutless, I teach gutlessness, and I guide my disciples in that way? I say that a gutless person is someone who has given up future wombs and rebirth into a new state of existence. They’ve cut them off at the root, made them like a palm stump, obliterated them, so that they’re unable to arise in the future. The Realized One has given up future wombs and regeneration into a new state of existence. He has cut them off at the root, made them like a palm stump, obliterated them, so that they’re unable to arise in the future. In this sense you could rightly say that I’m gutless. And what’s the sense in which you could rightly say that I’m ambitious, I teach ambition, and I guide my disciples in that way? I’m ambitious to offer solace, the highest solace, I teach solace, and I guide my disciples in that way. In this sense you could rightly say that I’m ambitious.� When he said this, General Sīha said to the Buddha, “Excellent, sir! Excellent! From this day forth, may the Buddha remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.� “Sīha, you should act after careful consideration. It’s good for well-known people such as yourself to act after careful consideration.� “Now I’m even more delighted and satisfied with the Buddha, since he tells me to act after careful consideration. For if the followers of other religions were to gain me as a disciple, they’d carry a banner all over Ves�lī, saying: ‘General Sīha has become our disciple!’ And yet the Buddha tells me to act after careful consideration. For a second time, I go for refuge to the Buddha, to the teaching, and to the mendicant Saṅgha. From this day forth, may the Buddha remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.� “For a long time now, Sīha, your family has been a well-spring of support for the Jain ascetics. You should consider giving to them when they come.� “Now I’m even more delighted and satisfied with the Buddha, since he tells me to consider giving to the Jain ascetics when they come. Sir, I have heard that the ascetic Gotama says this: ‘Gifts should only be given to me, and to my disciples. Only what is given to me is very fruitful, not what is given to others. Only what is given to my disciples is very fruitful, not what is given to the disciples of others.’ Yet the Buddha encourages me to give to the Jain ascetics. Well, sir, we’ll know the proper time for that. For a third time, I go for refuge to the Buddha, to the teaching, and to the mendicant Saṅgha. From this day forth, may the Buddha remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.� Then the Buddha taught Sīha step by step, with a talk on giving, ethical conduct, and heaven. He revealed the drawbacks of sensual pleasures, so sordid and corrupt, and the benefit of renunciation. And when the Buddha knew that Sīha’s mind was ready, pliable, rid of hindrances, elated, and confident he revealed the special teaching of the Buddhas: suffering, its origin, its cessation, and the path. Just as a clean cloth rid of stains would properly absorb dye, in that very seat the stainless, immaculate vision of the Dhamma arose in General Sīha: “Everything that is liable to arise is liable to cease.� Then Sīha saw, attained, understood, and fathomed the Dhamma. He went beyond doubt, got rid of indecision, and became self-assured and independent of others regarding the Teacher’s instructions. He said to the Buddha, “Sir, would the Buddha together with the mendicant Saṅgha please accept tomorrow’s meal from me?� The Buddha consented with silence. Then, knowing that the Buddha had consented, Sīha rose from his seat, bowed, and respectfully circled the Buddha, keeping him on his right, before leaving. Then Sīha addressed a certain man, “My man, please find out if there is any meat ready for sale.� And when the night had passed General Sīha had delicious fresh and cooked foods prepared in his own home. Then he had the Buddha informed of the time, saying, “Sir, it’s time. The meal is ready.� Then the Buddha robed up in the morning and, taking his bowl and robe, went to Sīha’s home, where he sat down on the seat spread out together with the Saṅgha of mendicants. Now at that time many Jain ascetics in Ves�lī went from street to street and from square to square, calling out with raised arms: “Today General Sīha has slaughtered a fat calf for the ascetic Gotama’s meal. The ascetic Gotama knowingly eats meat prepared specially for him: this is a deed he caused.� Then a certain person went up to Sīha and whispered in his ear, “Please sir, you should know this. Many Jain ascetics in Ves�lī are going from street to street and square to square, calling out with raised arms: ‘Today General Sīha has slaughtered a fat calf for the ascetic Gotama’s meal. The ascetic Gotama knowingly eats meat prepared specially for him: this is a deed he caused.’� “Enough, master. For a long time those venerables have wanted to discredit the Buddha, his teaching, and his Saṅgha. They’ll never stop misrepresenting the Buddha with their incorrect, hollow, false, untruthful claims. We would never deliberately take the life of a living creature, not even for life’s sake.� Then Sīha served and satisfied the mendicant Saṅgha headed by the Buddha with his own hands with delicious fresh and cooked foods. When the Buddha had eaten and washed his hand and bowl, Sīha sat down to one side. Then the Buddha educated, encouraged, fired up, and inspired him with a Dhamma talk, after which he rose from his seat and left. |
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