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Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 12:10 pm:       

https://www.opindia.com/2019/01/quattrochi-national-herald-a gustawestland-eurofighter-and-a-detailed-response-on-rafale- read-arun-jaitleys-comment-in-parliament/

Quattrochi, National Herald, AgustaWestland, Eurofighter and Rafale: Arun Jaitley stuns Rahul Gandhi in Parliament

Arun Jaitley said that during Kargil, our army had only 155 mm guns. if that time we had rafale MMCA then we could have fired at the enemy from a distance of 200 km. This is why in 2001, the armed forces had said that they needed the Rafale and it was then that the government had agreed.

The Parliament saw a massive uproar today as Congress and Rahul Gandhi decided to, yet again, bring up the Rafale deal. The Rafale deal has got a clean chit from the Supreme Court, however, the Congress has not stopped its political mudslinging.

During the discussion in the parliament today, Rahul Gandhi attempted to play a tape that Congress has been touting as the ultimate proof of wrongdoing in the Rafale case. The purported tape had a recorded conversation between the Health Minister of Goa and a nameless journalist claiming that Parrikar, the CM of Goa had claimed during a cabinet meeting that he has the Rafale files stashed in âhis bedroomâ.

The tape was rubbished by Parrikar and Rane. They called it doctored and demanded a probe into the matter. However, Rahul Gandhi insisted that he would want to play this tape in parliament. Finance Minister Arun Jaitley blocked this attempt and Rahul Gandhi had to back up since the tape was not authenticated. Interestingly, even as the speaker, Sumitra Mahajan, told Rahul that he could not reproduce a tape or its contents unless it was authenticated, Rahul brazenly continued reading the transcript. Ultimately, his attempts were thwarted.

After an uproar in the Parliament by the usual loud-mouths of Congress, Arun Jaitley started a scathing attack on the Congress party and Rahul Gandhi. He even took potshots at Sonia Gandhi and the legacy of Congress.

Finance Minister Arun Jaitley said that when for the second time Congress wanted to raise the Rafale issue in the parliament, he thought they wanted to say something significant. He said after hearing the lead speaker of Congress (Rahul Gandhi), everyone is disappointed as is the country since every word out of Rahul Gandhiâs mouth was a contradiction of what the Supreme Court had observed. Jaitley said that usually, the Supreme Court is considered the last word unless a matter falls within the legislative purview, but Rahul Gandhi is contradicting every observation by the Court in this matter.

Branding Rahul Gandhi as someone who has a ânatural dislike for the truthâ, he said every word spoken by Rahul in the last 6 months on the matter of Rafale has been an utter falsehood. He said that Rahul Gandhi has a legacy. A legacy that manufactured a foreign bank account of VP Singhâs son that turned out to be false. A legacy that concocted a conversation between Rahul Gandhi and French President Macron which turned out to be false and was also contradicted by the French government. Jaitley said that Rahul Gandhi continues to repeat falsehoods even after proven so. Now, he said, that Rahul Gandhi is scared to get the tape authenticated because his party (Congress) has manufactured that tape.

The Finance Minister said that it is unfortunate that the Grand Old Party (Congress) which has previously been led by some legends is now reduced to a party led by a man who doesnât understand what a combat aircraft is. He said that the simplified argument of Rahul Gandhi that a Rafale jet was priced at 500 crores during Congress and is now priced at 1600 crores is akin to Kindergarten maths.



During the ensuing uproar, Jaitley said that Congress should have the courage to listen to the truth and that he will not yield.

He continued his verbal assault by saying that Congress only understands the arithmetic of money and not that of National Security.

Earlier, Rahul Gandhi had attempted to name Anil Ambai in the debate and the speaker had shot him doing saying that he canât name people who are not members of the parliament. Rahul had continued then to refer to Anil Ambani as âAAâ.

Following that lead, Jaitley said that since Rahul is using abbreviations, he should answer whether when he was young, he was playing on the lap of a âMr Qâ (referring to Quattrocchi of the Bofors scandal). He asked why there were letters that said âQâ had to be protected and thereafter, why was a bank account of âQâ discovered.

Training guns directly on the Gandhis, Jaitley said that in the National Herald scam, they converted a property meant for a trust into private property, Christian Michel had named Mrs Gandhi, Italian ladyâs son R, and hence, it is clear that the Gandhi family understands only âPaisaâ.

He said that he would have given the family the benefit of the doubt if it was only one case. But National Herald, Bofors and AgustaWestland are too many cases to ignore.

Jaitley said, âRahul Gandhi in his earlier days was probably watching James Bond films. James Bond had said if it is done once, it is happenstance and it can happen. If done twice, it is coincidence and if done thrice it is a conspiracy and the conspirators of defence deals have the audacity to raise allegations against usâ.



Arun Jaitley said that during Kargil, our army had only 155 mm guns. if that time we had rafale MMCA then we could have fired at the enemy from a distance of 200 km. This is why in 2001, the armed forces had said that they needed the Rafale and it was then that the government had agreed.

Jaitley said that the UPA government gave acceptance of necessity (AON). when UPA gave AON then in 2007 there was a tender invitation. He said that the government can acquire such jets in two ways. Either by tender or by the government to government agreement. After 6 bids came in, two were shortlisted. Eurofighter and Dassault. Then, during pricement, Rafale was chosen. He said that the Congress government sat on the decision for a long time. While the air force wanted the defence minister to buy the jets, the then defence ministerâs colleagues were âpressuring him to not accept Rafaleâ. He said it was because of this pressure, that the defence minister had written in his file that the Dassault Rafale is fine, but the process by which they were considered L1, should be re-examined.

He said that when he became the Defence Minister after the Modi government came to power, this was one of the first submissions made by the Indian Air Force.

It was at this point that Congress started flying paper planes in the parliament, much to the disgust of the speaker of the house.

After the house was resumed, Arun Jaitley proceeded to answer the specific questions raised by Rahul Gandhi.

On the process of acquisition, Arun Jaitley said that in 2015 when PM Modi went to France and met Hollande, during the press statement it was mentioned that the Rafale jets would be bought per Inter-Governmental Agreement. It was also mentioned that better terms and conditions have been negotiated. After the entire process, the contract was signed and the SC too said the process was transparent.

On the pricing, the Finance Minister said that Rahul Gandhi doesnât seem to understand basics. He said that the cost of the bare aircraft and that of a weaponised aircraft is different. He asserted that the cost of the bare aircraft is cheaper by 9% as compared to Congress negotiation and the cost of weaponised aircraft is 20% cheaper. He also said that the price escalation would only reduce with every additional jet purchased. On the question of price, he said that the Supreme Court went through the price details and was satisfied but perhaps, the political needs of the Congress were not.



Explaining the off-set details, Arun Jaitley also asserted that ridiculous numbers that Rahul Gandhi comes up with are a manufactured one since the entire offset itself is for Rs 29,000. He also said that Dassault was the one who said that they would like to purchase 3% â 4% of the offset obligation from the âspecific industrialistâ (referring to Anil Ambani led Reliance). Ending his speech, on Joint Parliamentary Committee, Jaitley said that this is not a policy decision and the Court has also delivered its verdict, hence, there was no need for a JPC.

With this scathing response by Arun Jaitley, one wonders if Rahul Gandhi will finally drop the dangerous rhetoric on Rafale, though, we are not holding our breath over it.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 10:25 am:       

Very good vyasam..

BTB one should accept HAL failures though it is pathetic
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 10:11 am:       


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mari Make In India endhuku???? just prajalani fools cheyyataniki use chese slogan ???




Idemi logic .. public enterprise perform cheyakunte.. private vallaki istharu kada.. ayana west and russia antha anthe kada .. they have private companies manufature and deliver for military .. not depending on HAL ..

look at the penalties for Rafael deal .. ade HAL deliver cheyakapothe . .evadisthaadu penalties..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 09:32 am:       


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Yes Loksabha opposition leader AYANA lead chesina committee monnane report ichindi HAL inefficiency gurinchi
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 09:21 am:       


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Mallikarjun kharge




Eeyana congress athanu kada..
veni.. vidi.. vici..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 09:13 am:       


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Search for Mallikarjun kharge led committee report on HAL inefficiency
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 09:09 am:       

Rafale deal correct ani namminchataniki chivaraki HAL ni kuda kindal chesthunnara.. Aha, idhe kadha Nikkar desa bhakthi ante...
Pedavadi ki anda Telugu Desam Jenda...Jai TDP Jai Chandranna.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 09:04 am:       

HAL is 10 years behind in the production of the Tejas indigenous fighter, the very reason why India has to go in for imports.

mari Make In India endhuku???? just prajalani fools cheyyataniki use chese slogan ???
Pedavadi ki anda Telugu Desam Jenda...Jai TDP Jai Chandranna.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 09:00 am:       

ufffffffffffffff
beedi hatavoo desh batchavoooooo
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 08:58 am:       

https://www.rediff.com/news/column/a-wish-for-2019-stop-trea ting-national-security-as-a-football/20190101.htm

A wish for 2019: Stop treating national security as a football!
January 01, 2019 10:31 IST

'In the Mahabharat, when faced by an enemy, Yudhishtir, the eldest Pandav, had quipped that 'When it comes to external enemies, we are 105, (100 Kauravs and 5 Pandavs)'.'
' It is time modern politicians heed this ancient wisdom,' says Colonel Anil A Athale (retd).

As someone involved with national security, a wish for national consensus on national security issue tops the wish list for 2019.

In the election season it is a forlorn wish and chances are that in the coming new year the Rafale fighter deal will continue to hog the media limelight for all the wrong reasons.

Sample this: Despite a clear Supreme Court ruling the Opposition continues to peddle the lie of a '30,000 crore scam'. A former senior minister, now in the Opposition, calls the air chief a liar. Words like 'chor' are freely used against the head of the government by the leader of the Opposition.

People have suddenly found virtues (non-existent) in the disastrous policy of public sector monopoly in defence production. HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) is being ascribed capabilities that are non-existent. Just a simple statistic should suffice to puncture the HAL claim.

According to then defence ninister A K Antony in 2008, in over 40 years out of a fleet of 872 MiG-21 aircraft (most of them manufactured by HAL) a full 482 crashed, leading to the death of 171 pilots. An astounding crash rate of near 50%.

While 41% crashes were attributed to 'pilot error', 40% were ascribed to technical faults. Even the figure of 41% pilot error is doubtful as unfortunately dead pilots tell no tales!

HAL is 10 years behind in the production of the Tejas indigenous fighter, the very reason why India has to go in for imports.

In 1991 when under P V Narasimha Rao's able stewardship, India embarked upon economic reforms and liberalisation of its economy, governmental control of many areas was given up and competition was encouraged. The results are for everyone to see.

India for the first time broke through the 'Hindu' rate of growth of 3.5%. We have never looked back after that.

Unfortunately, Rao left out the defence sector and the old State monopoly continued for a very long time. It is only now that some baby steps are being taken to introduce competition in this sector.


India, a well-developed economy overall, has two major weaknesses. One is our dependency on imported oil for energy needs and second is the dependency of the defence forces on imported arms.

For several years India has earned the dubious distinction of being the world's biggest arms importer. While Dr Manmohan Singh as finance minister introduced competition in many fields, he left the defence sector untouched.

I wish to make it very clear that one is not advocating wholesale privatisation, but merely that competition be introduced. India has today a diversified industrial infrastructure and that must be used to fulfill out defence needs.

Another aspect of the present scenario is that there are many 'dual use' technologies. Be it drones as hobby projects or military hardware. In this, the isolated and monopolistic public sector companies are often found wanting.

With India now a member of the Wassenaar Arrangement a lot of technology of dual use, earlier denied to us, is now available. Using an old Maoist term, we should 'Let a hundred flowers bloom' in the defence sector.

In the current situation, it is not only the Opposition that is to be blamed, the government also shares the blame for making defence a controversial issue.

It would have been ideal if immediately after the Rafale deal was signed, the government had briefed the Opposition on the salient aspects of the deal and the need for urgency. Although the record of the present Opposition is not very good on that account.

Remember that after the retaliatory strike post the Uri attack, the Opposition was indeed briefed, but it still did not stop the Opposition from questioning the veracity of the strikes! Despite this, the government should have persisted with the policy of taking the Opposition in confidence on major defence decisions.

The US, the world's oldest democracy is no shining example (witness the current shutdown of the government) yet one must remember that in the aftermath of the 9/11 terror attacks, the entire US political class came together.

In the Mahabharat, when faced by an enemy, Yudhishtir, the eldest Pandav, had quipped that 'When it comes to external enemies, we are 105, (100 Kauravs and 5 Pandavs). It is time modern politicians heed this ancient wisdom.

As a suggestion for future, could we include the leader of the Opposition (or the largest single party) as a member of the National Security Council? This single measure will nip in the bud all future controversies and serve the national interest.

If this is too radical a measure, then at the least, a practice should be evolved where select MPs are given 'in camera' briefing on security issues.

A final thought about the much bandied about 'transparency'. Does it mean that we construct a bedroom or bathroom with glass walls? There are issues of national security on which there has to be secrecy.

Our Constitution envisages division of power between the legislature, executive and judiciary. It is humbly submitted that the issue of national security falls into the exclusive domain of the executive and other arms of the State should be chary of interference. This is due to the twin factors of complexity and criticality.

Colonel Anil A Athale (retd) is a military historian.

Colonel Anil A Athale (retd)

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