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Xxx Hero Username: Xxx Post Number: 16225 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.74.65.205 Rating: N/A |
Yes, corporate profits has become the evil in society , just like gun lobby , this country has become so dependent on money given by big c's and no way out of it .. there has to be balance between the human rights to live and the commercial profits and this country is going down each day The education is going down a lot for kids in this country and it may not be far away , when other countries will over take US in technology, health and quality of life - | ||
Ballasticmissile Side Hero Username: Ballasticmissile Post Number: 9862 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 87.164.117.202 Rating: N/A |
no its actually another way in Europe....most companies are public insurance companies...you pay a premium according to your income but it is not too much high as in states for a family of 3 having a yearly income of 150k you may pay 400-700 per month ...this is for total family ...if you are an individual it would generally range from 150-250 per month. remaining is pooled by government...that is why europe has highest tax rates of 56,54,61 etc percentages while max percentage levied as progressive tax in states is around 36-39% However the treatment is based on need, it has waiting time...if you have cold and cough doctors appointment may take 2 weeks, but if you have a serious amenity you are given preference. missiles love. Dead:1/12/2017 | ||
Savyasachi Side Hero Username: Savyasachi Post Number: 2293 Registered: 12-2013 Posted From: 71.203.102.171 Rating: N/A |
there you go buddy , what is stopping the same lobby group from influencing the goverment to decide which drug is good for you , what treatment is good for you? isnt the same pharma lobby group against legalizing medical merijuana so that they can keep selling their expensive advils to vicodins | ||
Savyasachi Side Hero Username: Savyasachi Post Number: 2291 Registered: 12-2013 Posted From: 71.203.102.171 Rating: N/A |
i gave it as an example. government doesnt have a source of income of its own. if it has to pay for health care, it will collect the money from ppl in the form of taxes. instead of paying insurance you pay tax. | ||
Xxx Hero Username: Xxx Post Number: 16224 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.74.65.205 Rating: N/A |
It is lobby for the industry that funds all the govt and gets what they want
it is collective responsibility of the world to find cures to the human population we are not asking for giving the latest technology for free .. What the profits of the multinationals ? https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2017/02/10/a-6000 -price-hike-should-give-drug-companies-a-disgusting-sense-of -deja-vu/#5c64c4b871f5 just no ethics - | ||
Xxx Hero Username: Xxx Post Number: 16223 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.74.65.205 Rating: N/A |
cost of medicine ki obama care ki link aante sir ? what we earn and the amount we pay for insurance is peanuts .. - | ||
Savyasachi Side Hero Username: Savyasachi Post Number: 2290 Registered: 12-2013 Posted From: 71.203.102.171 Rating: N/A |
yes it will be expensive. my insurance premium went up 3 times after obama care. imagine what happens if govt starts making payments for your treatments? do you want the effing govt to decide if you take syntheroid or livothyroxine, tylenol or advil
who let the market to be filled with junk and improper food products? isnt it the same govt you are asking to pay for your treatment? why not ask the govt to ban these stupid products that causing health issues or take steps to stop airborne pollutants before asking them to pay for treatments?
when is the last time a game changing drug was invented in india? india has universal health care, why isnt everybody flocking at the govt hospital doorsteps instead of running towards corporate hospitals everytime you sneeze | ||
Xxx Hero Username: Xxx Post Number: 16216 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.74.65.205 Rating: N/A |
why is that so expensive ? Not all disease or ill healths are related to being lazy and not being fit or abusing using drinking etc Kids are fed with improper diet and market is full of junk .. not every one is fortunate to buy organic food or eat healthy even the water is contaminated ,forget about other pollutants There are many airborne disease and if only rich can live etc, so be it A tetanus injection which costed less than 10 rs in India , now sells more than 100 dollars in US - | ||
Savyasachi Side Hero Username: Savyasachi Post Number: 2288 Registered: 12-2013 Posted From: 71.203.102.171 Rating: N/A |
spot on bro | ||
Mandharam Side Hero Username: Mandharam Post Number: 4831 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 192.163.5.10 Rating: N/A |
Whistle podu | ||
Ballasticmissile Side Hero Username: Ballasticmissile Post Number: 9857 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 87.164.117.202 Rating: N/A |
and do you think US govt is empathetic to its people that's why there is social security is for US people after retirement etc..?? BIG NO social secutity is created after seeing the great depression of 30s... where due to stagflation prices fell and fell people kept money with themselves thinking it will fall further ...which lead to the collapse of the industry.... so to circumvent this and make sure there is bare minimum spending for the economy whatever happens in a recession and avoid the downward spiral of breaking govt and revolution its created... social security makes minimum spending with old people making the companies have fixed customer base thereby feeding the economy and liquid flow. missiles love. Dead:1/12/2017 | ||
Ballasticmissile Side Hero Username: Ballasticmissile Post Number: 9856 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 87.164.117.202 Rating: N/A |
yes... human health care id different from others...
no but they and government destroy many things that are public goods... say like this 1)nice fresh air is a public good---those living in US cities are short of it but govt is getting high taxes at bereft of my happiness. 2)gove is the one which gives land to private entities destroying species and natural life---depriving my brain of the pleasantness of good natural environment. 3)govt is depriving me of natural food as its not imposing strict standards on food...US allows harmful pesticides, GM seeds...and hormones in poultry and other meat products....there by depriving of high-quality food too. so less air quality, fewer food standards, depriving nature from me all for the sole reason of taxes..... so it is the responsibility of govt to provide for health care as i have right to live despite limitations. missiles love. Dead:1/12/2017 | ||
Cool_indian Side Hero Username: Cool_indian Post Number: 3559 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 108.253.242.151 Rating: N/A |
As expected, you dance around to another topic. Health generates wealth. There are many countries that have much better healthcare system than US. You dont give affordable healthcare, fxxxk with the climate, do wars and make/bring more people sick. All this for what - Build new business models to suck money for the corporates. Dont make blank statements like human societies,failure blah blah. | ||
Jai_ycp Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 13137 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 108.45.179.166 Rating: N/A |
We can demand Kate upton, Katrina kaif and a million dollars  . What is there to not demand? Find out the reason why health care is costly? We should work to bring down the cost without impacting R&D and other issues. Govt handing over is not the solution except you want your neighbors to pay for it. Why not health? Why can’t we implement fair pay such as everybody gets same wage? Bob can build houses, send monthly ration? Human societies have all attempted these and failed to produce anything. | ||
Xxx Hero Username: Xxx Post Number: 16214 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.74.65.205 Rating: N/A |
Not possible in US, it is their in Cananada , Australia and UK - | ||
Xxx Hero Username: Xxx Post Number: 16213 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 24.74.65.205 Rating: |
A vaccine that costs less than $1 to produce will sold for 300 , this vaccine is not new , just a regular one, my kid had his regular vaccines and insurance was charged 1500 + and it is just a big business and no humanity , Feeding people with processed food , corn syrup , and making them obese and it is a cycle with nothing healthy There is no option for kids , but to go to the public schools , eat the big corporations lobby food and get sick, how many can afford to go to private school for $25k to 30 $k per year school fees? - | ||
Cool_indian Side Hero Username: Cool_indian Post Number: 3558 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 108.253.242.151 Rating: N/A |
If govt takes good care of the public with basics like affordable health to all, decent environment and no corruption in drug research, we can say govt doesnt need to provide universal healthcare. But if Govt fxxcks up in every area and only works for billionares and their healthcare companies, I think the public has every right to demand 'Universal healthcare' | ||
Boeing747 Side Hero Username: Boeing747 Post Number: 3547 Registered: 04-2016 Posted From: 192.212.253.129 Rating: N/A |
well regulating medical costs is working in many advanced countries who have govt healthcare. and ppl dont get it for free, they pay their taxes to the govt. all I say is why cant govt step up and help the insurance paying pp ani.. | ||
Jai_ycp Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 13136 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 108.45.179.166 Rating: N/A |
It is a handout program. To solve one handout program, you want to do another one. Find out why the costs are high and how does government can solve by taking insurance? Your needs are djfreeent from your Neighbour. Give them an option to pay or not to pay. Everybody people take risks. Don’t force them to pay for something you believe is good. Regulating medical costs will come with another downside. You can’t maintains quality and innovation and the same time regulate the cost. There is no easy answer to it | ||
Boeing747 Side Hero Username: Boeing747 Post Number: 3546 Registered: 04-2016 Posted From: 192.212.253.128 Rating: N/A |
annai, do you have Insurance?? if so why not tell govt saying dont tax me for "medicare"..nenu anedi, elagu govt is taxing some amount for medicare and on top janalu have to pay a very high $$ for good insurance coverage..and still they get charged greater than average amounts for medical services, prescriptions etc due to the involvement of private entities. | ||
Jai_ycp Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 13135 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 108.45.179.166 Rating: |
Governments from the ages are not formed to cater to individual issues but generic public expenses only. Defense Infrastructure Public health Recently education was added. As democracies formed, vote bank politics made government to pay more sops leading people to believe it is thier right. Just think of your HOA. Do you envision cost sharing expenses and mortgage bills. If not why you think government should do it | ||
Jai_ycp Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 13134 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 108.45.179.166 Rating: N/A |
Form a non profit group, pay insurance to it and get treatment cost shared. Medishare is one example. The only reason you want govt to involve is to force other people to pay for your expenses. | ||
Jai_ycp Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 13133 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 108.45.179.166 Rating: |
Now you are talking about regulating which is different from a free born right for you to get treatment. Think why is the doctor fees and other drugs high in USA compared to other? You have lot of regulations to comply and deal with lawsuits, insurance for doctors which makes an operating cost very high. It’s is an eco system that feeds on the same underlying which you want to implement. If an insurance is unsustainable for private Industry so is it for government. Does your family share medical cost? Your relatives or your village/town/city. It’s your life your choices your genes. You get good you get bad. Don’t try to live off other people money. | ||
Boeing747 Side Hero Username: Boeing747 Post Number: 3543 Registered: 04-2016 Posted From: 192.213.136.166 Rating: N/A |
ikkada govt already medicare tax estundi ga on everyone (even though not much). on top janalu teeskune private insurance - ee total antha aa govt ke pay cheste, obvious ga it'll become a great healthcare system. private entities unnantha sepu profitability determines everything. | ||
Boeing747 Side Hero Username: Boeing747 Post Number: 3542 Registered: 04-2016 Posted From: 192.213.136.166 Rating: N/A |
If Govt handles the medical system then regulates/negotiates for the better of the people. every system has both pro and cons. US lo inspite of having a high cost of medical insurance, still cost of medical services, prescriptions (out of pocket) etc is still very high and expensive. ikkada private pharma companies, doctors etc anthaa valla istam. and having a good insurance here doesnt mean you can go and walk into any hospital or doctor or medical centre. out of network aythe then inka telsindega | ||
Jai_ycp Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 13132 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 166.137.240.24 Rating: N/A |
Why you need governament for that. The reason you are taking insurance is to protect you and your family against unplanned expenses. Was there any reason you believe government will Do better job? Look at social security what did they do? Medical tourism is born from these systems only. Did you notice cases where they did not let parents take thier baby to different hospital for treatment? That’s what it does when govt is involved. | ||
Jai_ycp Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 13131 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 166.137.240.24 Rating: N/A |
They tried and failed on removing private ownership and socialism. You want to check it again. There is difference between private charity and public taxation. Just answer few question to clarify Does your village or city pool together to bear expenses for the whole town? Or lest say Do you do it with immediate family? What is not a public charge? Do you think works will be better if we pay same wage for all jobs skilled and unskllled, govt provides healthy ration And life expenses. Everything is utopian? | ||
Boeing747 Side Hero Username: Boeing747 Post Number: 3531 Registered: 04-2016 Posted From: 192.213.136.166 Rating: N/A |
anna, the amount ($$) we are paying for Private insurance in the US could well enough rather be taken by the Govt as a tax and bring out medicare for everyone. take the likes of Australia, UK, France et al. | ||
Ballasticmissile Side Hero Username: Ballasticmissile Post Number: 9855 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 87.164.117.202 Rating: |
Seriously??? Why shouldn’t workers unionise and throw away government??? Why should people deposit in banks rather than keeping money behind beds If one believes in free market economy why should one even tax companies???? Why should one spend such amounts on defense when actually there is no need for it??? On and on .... It depends on what state think as public good and what is a private goods..... All countries think health care is a public good except US ....Because they believe in right to live ... Your case and arguments about dietary and nourishment makes no sense and at best nonsense..... How does ebola or wide spread epidemics account in your scenario.... How does climate change and pollution induced by industries account in your scenario??? How does other human factors meet the scenario??? Diets and nourishment etc is a small thing.....big picture is the health hazards due to country policies itself...which is 1000s of times more severe and acute missiles love. Dead:1/12/2017 | ||
Jai_ycp Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 13130 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 100.36.224.18 Rating: |
we should do it considering you follow a strict regime of food, exercise and lifestyle. you cant go drinking, mess up your liver and expected government to play for it. let government control if you can have a a baby because lets say baby is predisposed for long term care due to genetics, hence govt might consider it not appropriate. lets do it. . just think why should your neighbour pay for your health? give me good reason. govt does not have money of its own. if your neighhbour cant control when you eat, what you eat, sleep, but he should pay for your helath cost. | ||
Ballasticmissile Side Hero Username: Ballasticmissile Post Number: 9854 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 87.164.117.202 Rating: N/A |
Dont know why US is not having it...... It is necessary for everyone and person of a country...... The life expectancy and state of health in US is falling due to in-affordability.... It is more important than social security.... ............... After watching a recent documentary in Netflix about valeant I came to the conclusion on UHC Well money can be replenished but not people’s lives if lost.... missiles love. Dead:1/12/2017 |
