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Brightlife34
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Posted on Monday, April 16, 2018 - 10:29 am:       

u gotta improve the quality of ur whatsapp group...

bcoz they are crappy, doesnt mean court verdicts should be trashed.....and INC should be given a clean chit...and sickular crap shud be gulped...//

thanks I will try.. ikkada pro BJP threads lo ampina links ee vasthayi, I am not saying I do not agree, there is a reason why I am in there. but for every good that happens they say it started in 2014 only, ade comedy ga untundi

sickular crap how long.. answer my point for all the sickular crap BJP is ruling in 21 states now, during Vajpayee era they started winning new states for first time which they are retaining till now (MP, CH, Raj, Del, KA, MH with SS).. TV and print only era lone they made rapid strides, because people adopted them.. but it can't reasoned as license for anything (I am not saying they do).. I think the main issue is Tulak popln growth ee, daanni different mask la tho choopisthaaru (I agree its a big problem, andukey soft corner inka naku)

but they have to take drastic measure, look at population growth in UP/Bihar.. endadi, address root problems kada, noise create chesthey emi radu
 

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Posted on Monday, April 16, 2018 - 10:21 am:       


Brightlife34:

swarajya marg lo links pamputhaaru.. nenu okkakkatiki stats pampisthey malli gymnastic jumps untaayi.. INC messed for sure, but mari antha chendaalam kuda emi kadu, you are assuming people can easily be controlled/maneuvered,.. 77 lone padukobettaru INC ni, they were smart by then they did not need 2014 to be certified as one..




u gotta improve the quality of ur whatsapp group...

bcoz they are crappy, doesnt mean court verdicts should be trashed.....and INC should be given a clean chit...and sickular crap shud be gulped...
 

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Posted on Monday, April 16, 2018 - 10:20 am:       


Brightlife34:

swarajya marg



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Posted on Monday, April 16, 2018 - 10:19 am:       


Andhrawala:

In a word, a quarter century of Ambedkar's public career overlapped with this struggle of the country to free itself from British rule. There is not one instance, not one single, solitary instance in which Ambedkar participated in any activity connected with that struggle to free the country. Quite the contrary--at every possible turn he opposed the campaigns of the National Movement, at every setback to the Movement he was among those cheering the failure.




for dalits, even if british gives freedom they would come under the upper castes who were treating them really bad...

so the idea of fighting for freedom from foreign forces was kinda irony for Ambedkar...
 

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Posted on Monday, April 16, 2018 - 10:11 am:       

I have a whatsapp group with hard core BJP supporters..i was and still a BJP voter anuko, heart still with them brain matram dhoka isthuntundi appudappudu

morning leche sariki oka 100-150 message untayi, how congress is messing, communal etc etc.. aa Bihar lo ee Madhya oka musaslayana chanipothey dhaani meedha oka 100 fwd lu, cut chesthey sushil modi ee khandichadu..

swarajya marg lo links pamputhaaru.. nenu okkakkatiki stats pampisthey malli gymnastic jumps untaayi.. INC messed for sure, but mari antha chendaalam kuda emi kadu, you are assuming people can easily be controlled/maneuvered,.. 77 lone padukobettaru INC ni, they were smart by then they did not need 2014 to be certified as one..
 

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Posted on Monday, April 16, 2018 - 10:06 am:       

:-) Periyar, Ambedkar they had their own agenda during those times. it was an interesting time to say the least.//

very well put, you can always selectively interpret things..
not to demean Gandhi or ambedkar, but valla intellectual agenndas vallaki untaayi kada, just like anyone these days.. Nehru ni tittadam endukuley for reservations, did jan sangh oppose continuing, if yes, I am ready to stand corrected
 

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Posted on Monday, April 16, 2018 - 09:50 am:       


Mental_sachinodu:

Supposedly Ambedkar said that Gandhi ran competing two PUBLIC newspapers, and only HE could decode the ideological differences between the two ... lol. I have heard of this before, its pure hearsay and there was never authentic proof that Ambedkar said, but sadly we dont need proofs to support statements made that match our v
iews.. dont we?




my bad, if true...definitely need to dig deeper....
 

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Posted on Monday, April 16, 2018 - 09:34 am:       


Mental_sachinodu:

idhi eppat ninchi? i dispute illogical statements, whether its against Gandhi or anyone else.




aithey ok.....
 

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Posted on Monday, April 16, 2018 - 09:27 am:       


Andhrawala:

In a word, a quarter century of Ambedkar's public career overlapped with this struggle of the country to free itself from British rule. There is not one instance, not one single, solitary instance in which Ambedkar participated in any activity connected with that struggle to free the country




Janalaku charitra telidu, Mahatma ni anataniki ochestaru chuss.
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Posted on Monday, April 16, 2018 - 08:55 am:       


Andhrawala:

Ambedkar's public life begins in a sense from a public meeting held at the Damodar Hall in Bombay on March 9, 1924. The struggle for freeing the country from the British was by then in full swing. Swami Vivekananda's work, Sri Aurobindo's work, the Lokmanya's work had already stirred the country. Lokmanya Tilak had passed away in 1920. The leadership of the National Movement had fallen on Gandhiji. He had already led the country in the Champaran satyagraha, the Khilafat movement, in the satyagraha against the Rowlatt Act, against the killings in Jallianwala Bagh and the merciless repression in Punjab. This National Movement culminated in the country's Independence in 1947.
In a word, a quarter century of Ambedkar's public career overlapped with this struggle of the country to free itself from British rule. There is not one instance, not one single, solitary instance in which Ambedkar participated in any activity connected with that struggle to free the country. Quite the contrary--at every possible turn he opposed the campaigns of the National Movement, at every setback to the Movement he was among those cheering the failure.



:-) Periyar, Ambedkar they had their own agenda during those times. it was an interesting time to say the least.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 16, 2018 - 08:41 am:       


Mental_sachinodu:

between, based on the article, what do you think about the allegations by Ambedkar that the aim of Gandhi led Congress was to establish a kingdom of Islam by overthrowing British government.




Ambedkar's public life begins in a sense from a public meeting held at the Damodar Hall in Bombay on March 9, 1924. The struggle for freeing the country from the British was by then in full swing. Swami Vivekananda's work, Sri Aurobindo's work, the Lokmanya's work had already stirred the country. Lokmanya Tilak had passed away in 1920. The leadership of the National Movement had fallen on Gandhiji. He had already led the country in the Champaran satyagraha, the Khilafat movement, in the satyagraha against the Rowlatt Act, against the killings in Jallianwala Bagh and the merciless repression in Punjab. This National Movement culminated in the country's Independence in 1947.
In a word, a quarter century of Ambedkar's public career overlapped with this struggle of the country to free itself from British rule. There is not one instance, not one single, solitary instance in which Ambedkar participated in any activity connected with that struggle to free the country. Quite the contrary--at every possible turn he opposed the campaigns of the National Movement, at every setback to the Movement he was among those cheering the failure.
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Posted on Monday, April 16, 2018 - 08:29 am:       


Discoveringself:

MS and other Gandhi fans




idhi eppat ninchi? i dispute illogical statements, whether its against Gandhi or anyone else.

between, based on the article, what do you think about the allegations by Ambedkar that the aim of Gandhi led Congress was to establish a kingdom of Islam by overthrowing British government.

Let me get out on a limb here and say this, if Ambedkar and his ideas were proposed today, he would have been called "JNU Batch", "Libtard", "Commie", "Anti-Hindu" and so on. anyway, thats not the point.

Supposedly Ambedkar said that Gandhi ran competing two PUBLIC newspapers, and only HE could decode the ideological differences between the two ... lol. I have heard of this before, its pure hearsay and there was never authentic proof that Ambedkar said, but sadly we dont need proofs to support statements made that match our views.. dont we?

"I knew Gandhi better than most people because he opened his real fangs to me, and I could see the inside of the man." this particular statement comes from one book "Gandhi and Churchill - The epic rivalry .." . the rest of the statment is from anti-gandhian.

Ambedkar hated Gandhi, because of his Hindu approach to the society and it was no secret. He detested everything Hindu, even calling someone said. He hated the idols of the "leaders", but ofcourse fans of Ambedkar NEED a Ambedkar statue, and if someone demolishes will raise hell, which Ambedkar proposed that all idols of leaders should be demolished.

by the way - i am no hater of Ambedkar or fanbody of Gandhi.
 

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Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2018 - 08:37 am:       


Nice:




If he was really visionary he would not have initiated reservation system in india which is now exploited by vote bank politicians and unjust to general category candiadates. He would have chosen alternate path to free dalits from oppression. Ippudu reservations valla equality ki ardham lekunda poindi
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Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2018 - 07:55 am:       


Nice:

Yeah obviously worthy person than Gandhi and Nehru



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Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2018 - 06:16 am:       

Yeah obviously worthy person than Gandhi and Nehru
 

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Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2018 - 04:34 am:       

Telsukundam ani asking, Ambedkar freedom struggle lo participation gurunchi ekada chadavochu?
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Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2018 - 10:00 pm:       

instead of saying only gud things about someone who is dead, just for the reason that Gandhi died.

Ambedkar had, of course, reflected on this very question for decades. In a rare radio interview to the BBC one year before his death, he explained the duplicitous core of the Mahatma with chilling lucidity. “I knew Gandhi better than most people because he opened his real fangs to me, and I could see the inside of the man. Gandhi was all the time double-dealing. He ran a paper in English and another in Gujarati, and if you read them both you will see how he was deceiving the people. In the English paper he posed himself as an opponent of the caste system and of untouchability and that he was a democrat, while in the Gujarati one he supported the caste system and professed all the orthodox dogmas that have kept India down all through the ages. Someone ought to write his biography by making a comparative study of the statements he made in these papers. The West reads only the English paper. Gandhi never wanted real upliftment of the Dalits. All he cared about were issues of absolutely no consequence to us like temple entry. Gandhi was never a reformer.”
 

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Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2018 - 09:59 pm:       

However strong and however filthy be the abuses that the Congress Press chooses to shower on me,” said Ambedkar once, “I must do my duty. I am no worshipper of idols. I believe in breaking them. I insist that if I hate Mr Gandhi and Mr Jinnah – I dislike them, I do not hate them – it is because I love India more. That is the true faith of a nationalist. I have hopes that my countrymen will some day learn that the country is greater than the men, that the worship of Mr Gandhi or Mr Jinnah and service to India are two very different things and may even be contradictory of each other.”
 

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Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2018 - 06:50 pm:       


Scorpio:

equal to all...Why reservations ?




his intention was definitely not to create inequality. just give a lift and ability for them to compete with the rest. of course laws of unintended consequences valla, now it has turned out into a genie that doesnt go back into the bottle. he wud have never dreamt the kinda monsters Nehru and his successors woud come to be.

at least creamy layer issue ni deal chesi untey baavundedi. Not sure if Ambedkar thought about it or not.
 

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Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2018 - 03:38 pm:       

Mahatma should be equal to all...Why reservations ?
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Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2018 - 03:10 pm:       

I agree. He is the BEST man
 

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Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2018 - 02:59 pm:       

Gandhi and Nehru articles/books always sounded silly and very self centered. Totally stubborn, illogical and inhumane at times.

Ambedkar sounds so real, natural, just and speaks with true intellect. No partisan nonsense. No appeasing no body. Ain't he the real Mahatma?

https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/dismantling-sainthood-ambedkar -on-gandhi

MS and other Gandhi fans, what really impresses you guys about Gandhi. As I read more and more, he sounds even more shallow and stupid and stubborn without any real intellect. His intentions might be gud, but really sounds opportunistic most of the times, than a just person.

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