| Author | Message | ||
Lenin Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 14610 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 118.102.71.26 Rating: |
Communists immediately called for a Dharna in Vijayawada after the budget announcement and repu Bandh undi state wide..valla ki unna strength ki vallu chala baga fight chesthunnaru migata napumsaks tho poluste Guntur, Hyderabad, Andhra, Telangana, Tamilnadu, Karnataka first....India last!!! | ||
Stalker Side Hero Username: Stalker Post Number: 4091 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 73.61.16.53 Rating: N/A |
eeyana evadidi notlo ettukuntaadu anta...aadu analeda eedu analeda ani eeyana peekedi emaina unda ani? Stalker - 'S'traight talker | ||
Lenin Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 14608 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 118.102.71.26 Rating: N/A |
Sakshi lo edit cheskunnaru vayya  CBN, Jagan, Pawan andarini annadu Memu yamudu lantollam...andariki okate rule Guntur, Hyderabad, Andhra, Telangana, Tamilnadu, Karnataka first....India last!!! | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 7262 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 198.50.153.61 Rating: N/A |
Meeku time opika unte go through the threads in defence forums giving one hre https://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7266&h ilit=Rafale+deal#p2058958 exceprt from an Airmarshal A Dose of Realism - The Rafale purchase controversy https://www.telegraphindia.com/opinion/ ... ism-196447 By Air Marshal Brijesh D. Jayal (Retd) - 27 Dec 2017 There is something about the procurement of military equipment from western commercial sources that generates public interest far greater than its financial or strategic content. The entire spectacle of open tendering, nail-biting selection, followed by endless negotiations - all played out in the public domain - does little justice to the very serious business of dealing with a weapon system for the battlefield which, in reality, should remain strictly confidential, if not totally secret. In rare cases of contracts approaching fruition, chances are that at some politically opportune time, they would also become the subject of political controversy with scarcely any concern about the adverse impact this will have on national security, the operational capability of the armed forces or, indeed, on their morale. The latest to join this league is the truncated MMRCA purchase of 36 Rafale aircraft from Dassault Aviation against the Indian air force's requirement of 126 aircraft, a process that was initiated in 2007 as a commercial bid, but remained deadlocked till a new government took charge, scrapped it, and took a decision to go by the government-to-government route. Political opponents have now fired a salvo, alleging that the final contracted unit cost per aircraft was far greater than the one that had been negotiated by the previous government and that due procedures laid down had been violated. This, in turn, has generated a freewheeling public debate - much of it based on limited technical knowledge and perception rather than on hard facts. As someone who has spent nearly a decade in Air HQ in the planning and procurement branch in various capacities, including its head as deputy chief of air staff, was part of the ministry of defence team that negotiated the Anglo-French Jaguar contract in the late 1970s (which, at the time, had more than its share of speculative media debate and corruption criticisms), observed at close range how the United Kingdom and the French military aerospace industries function and been a part of numerous MoD negotiating teams thereafter, one feels morally bound to inject some realism in this self-defeating debate. This is because whatever may be the political or moral compulsions driving it, at its very least it undermines the confidence that the IAF rank and file will have in its own military leadership and adversely affect morale. That is why the IAF chief has been constrained to take the unusual step of publicly stressing that it was a government-to-government contract, and that it was a better deal with lower cost implications than the earlier MMRCA contract negotiations. Even in commercial contracts that relate to modern combat aircraft and associated weapons and systems, national governments and strategic security interests of both seller and buyer countries are invariably involved. National governments of aerospace suppliers hence keep a benign check on their own industries - to promote their international sales footprint - as also on their industrial practices to prevent diplomatic embarrassment. All suppliers also require that their costs are treated as 'commercially confident' information for the buyer only. In the event of such contracts being backed through a government-to-government understanding,these commitments take on a more formal role. Unlike many stand-alone products, it is too simplistic a notion to calculate costs per aircraft, because without ground and test equipment, weapons, spares support, repair facilities and a host of other essentials, the aircraft has no utility as an operational weapon system . Any cost comparisons to be meaningful must hence be based on the total system cost on a like-to-like basis. If a realistic analysis were to be attempted comparing the earlier MMRCA proposal and the truncated renegotiated one, this would need a detailed cost-benefit analysis by a body of specialists, who, in the end, would still be left guessing about many subjective issues that have significant value in the operational domain but are not readily quantifiable in financial terms. In this context, two examples merit mention, although there would be many more. According to Nitin A. Gokhale's book, Securing India the Modi Way: Pathankot, Surgical Strikes and More, Dassault Aviation is now contractually committed to provide performance-based logistic support for five years to two squadrons against the earlier proposal to support only one squadron. Further, it is committed to ensuring that a minimum of 75 per cent of the IAF fleet will always be available for operations. These contractual commitments are a major advantage and, to one's knowledge, have never been undertaken by any earlier supplier to the IAF, including the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. For those looking for juicy headlines, these may be mundane issues, but for a combat force these have tremendous operational and support value and cannot be quantified in monetary terms. To reduce this debate to higher unit costs being paid without weighing in the operational returns not only exposes our hollow understanding of operational imperatives but is also an unfortunate political red herring that needs a swift burial. This brings us to the issue of due procedures not being followed. The Bofors scandal has resulted in a defence procurement eco- system within the South Block where procrastination has became the norm. Few in the decision-making chain would venture to take decisions for fear of falling prey to allegations of wrongdoing. The bureaucratic shield for this is hence the defence procurement procedure, first issued in 2002 and now in its ninth edition. Rather than using this as a procedural guide, it is being treated as a policy cast in stone. In the complex world of defence trade, lack of flexibility on the part of those negotiating purchases is a sure recipe for stalling any acquisition proposal as there are innumerable variables. This explains why our armed forces are hopelessly behind in executing modernization plans. Two fundamental errors were made by MoD while issuing the initial tender. First, the bidder was expected to take ownership for the 108 aircraft to be produced by HAL, a demand that is patently impractical. Second, competitive commercial bids were evaluated on the basis of production man-hours as indicated by bidders in their respective production environments without applying any multiplication factor in case of HAL manufacture (a factor that was even applied to earlier licence programmes like the Jaguar). In the event this was determined by HAL as 2.7 times and would have upset calculations that had led to the initial choice of the lowest bidder. Instead of recognizing these lapses and making amends in a transparent way through policy intervention, the MoD let procedure prevail over operational imperative. To quote from Gokhale's book, "Parrikar told Modi it would be legally untenable to go through with the MMRCA contract since the process had been completely vitiated thanks to Antony's indecisiveness and a crucial oversight in the original terms of the contract." The one exception to the Bofors syndrome thus far has been that at least it did not hamper government-to-government procurement contracts. This would explain how, since 1987, the armed forces have managed to retain some semblance of preparedness. It would now appear that even this last avenue for modernization is being targeted by an attack on this government-to-government Rafale programme. We have a constitutional authority, the comptroller and auditor general of India, to look into the integrity of defence purchases. Having been at the receiving end of its audit of the Jaguar procurement decades ago, this writer can vouch for its thoroughness and professionalism. People's representatives would be fully justified in asking for a CAG audit if there are genuine doubts. But by raising this on the electoral battlefield, we have ended up compromising the cause of the real one. Indian democracy should be made of sterner stuff. -------------------------------------bottom line -------------------------- congress leaders dont know jack about defence and have continously delayed projects or procurements leaving all the three defence wings of India in dire straights. Modi govt has put everything on fast track and is providing all the required support to them. Once sector where we cannot find fault with Modi govt is defence needs. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Dada Side Hero Username: Dada Post Number: 4988 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 108.70.113.181 Rating: N/A |
:-) emaina raasthe - I will be called anti national (even though I do not believe in the concept of nation) But just see Rahul's short 1.5 min Press conf today outside the parliament https://twitter.com/INCIndia/status/960858409808596992 Why is it a state secret on how much the vt is spending per Aircraft? Why is the price revised upwards? Why is HAL replaced by Reliance? And this is just one case. TDP chose to be silent in the name of mitra dharmam or whatever and have a right to be in the cabinet. | ||
Chand Hero Username: Chand Post Number: 12410 Registered: 10-2013 Posted From: 183.83.213.200 Rating: N/A |
Bongu le bob ni jail lo pette antha cinema emi ledhu akkada atla vendictive politics cheste bjp ke bokka | ||
Andhrawala Legend Username: Andhrawala Post Number: 65957 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 152.51.56.1 Rating: N/A |
attach ainaa properties entha value ippari daakaa?? atleast 100 crores ainaa attach aindhaa. BTW Jagath Pubs aka Sakshi Paper/TV and Bharathi cement, Lotus Pond Building etc valuation entha vundocchu No Signature | ||
Machomegastar Hero Username: Machomegastar Post Number: 14871 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.231.19 Rating: |
central level lo zero scams so far!! emani allegations chesatru!!! New_user: Fights / dances kosam, cinema ela unna, oka sari chudali anukune oka set of audience Chiranjeevi ki matrame unnaru. TFI lo highest success ratio Chiru ke untundi. | ||
Dada Side Hero Username: Dada Post Number: 4987 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 108.70.113.181 Rating: |
CBN or Sujana never made corruption allegations against the Central government. They or any TDP MP/Minister did not talk about Rafale deal or Vyapam or Chikki scam or Lalit Gate etc. But here, this guy, while being part of the State government is leveling corruption allegations against them. So why can't his Ministers resign if the State Govt is corrupt? | ||
Machomegastar Hero Username: Machomegastar Post Number: 14870 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.231.19 Rating: |
why cant TDP guys resign from cneter!!! New_user: Fights / dances kosam, cinema ela unna, oka sari chudali anukune oka set of audience Chiranjeevi ki matrame unnaru. TFI lo highest success ratio Chiru ke untundi. | ||
Machomegastar Hero Username: Machomegastar Post Number: 14869 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.231.19 Rating: |
manodi meeda elagoo cases nadustunnayi!! inthavarki oka 1000 crores kooda prove kaeldu!! i mean attach cheyaledu!!! kanee bob 2 lak crores proof modi daggara badramga vundi!! eppdu tokadiste appudu cut ceyataniki ready Modi!!1 kikik... New_user: Fights / dances kosam, cinema ela unna, oka sari chudali anukune oka set of audience Chiranjeevi ki matrame unnaru. TFI lo highest success ratio Chiru ke untundi. | ||
Dada Side Hero Username: Dada Post Number: 4986 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 108.70.113.181 Rating: N/A |
Straight Question to this guy Somuraju... Why cannot his party Ministers resign from the TDP Government in the state if the Government is corrupt? | ||
Kaisersooze Hero Username: Kaisersooze Post Number: 16643 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 199.116.175.123 Rating: N/A |
valu laksha ani manam 2 lakshalu ani....emi use...edhi prove kadhu....ayina entha sampadinchina...use ledhu akkada quality of life atta edicindhi.... | ||
Kaisersooze Hero Username: Kaisersooze Post Number: 16642 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 199.116.175.123 Rating: N/A |
isukalo thintae thinaru kaani...bore lo water padatam ledhu....adhe problem... | ||
Machomegastar Hero Username: Machomegastar Post Number: 14868 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.231.19 Rating: |
jagan ni laksha kotlu analeda vallu!!! New_user: Fights / dances kosam, cinema ela unna, oka sari chudali anukune oka set of audience Chiranjeevi ki matrame unnaru. TFI lo highest success ratio Chiru ke untundi. | ||
Kaisersooze Hero Username: Kaisersooze Post Number: 16641 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 199.116.175.123 Rating: N/A |
antha number vundadhu le kaani....oke 10k crs vesi vuntaru...maa voolone..just 200cr leparu...10yrs bench medha vunnaru...inko 20yrs ki dokalekunda kummaru...maa cousin gadiki oke 3c istham party lo join annru..he didn't budge... | ||
Machomegastar Hero Username: Machomegastar Post Number: 14866 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.231.19 Rating: N/A |
http://www.gulte.com/news/64013/Somu-Veerraju-Chandrababu-Go vt-is-Corrupt New_user: Fights / dances kosam, cinema ela unna, oka sari chudali anukune oka set of audience Chiranjeevi ki matrame unnaru. TFI lo highest success ratio Chiru ke untundi. | ||
Machomegastar Hero Username: Machomegastar Post Number: 14865 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.231.19 Rating: |
Pattiseema 300cr Isuka sand real mafia 2 lak crores Kuppam scam 10 cr.. Modi and shah provided this info to somu veerraju Somu veerraju iikkada rechipoyadu.. Debbaku bob vucha posukunnadu !!! gupchup sambar buddi!!1 New_user: Fights / dances kosam, cinema ela unna, oka sari chudali anukune oka set of audience Chiranjeevi ki matrame unnaru. TFI lo highest success ratio Chiru ke untundi. | ||
Nanigadulocal Side Hero Username: Nanigadulocal Post Number: 4603 Registered: 09-2016 Posted From: 161.167.237.112 Rating: |
ohh alagaa saaaruu .. ee lekkanaa pethi paksham lo untee emi cheyakarledhu annamata .. odipothe weekdays kisses n hugs , friday court ki elli, weekends happy gaa mandhesi tongontee saripodhi annamata ?? | ||
Kaisersooze Hero Username: Kaisersooze Post Number: 16640 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 199.116.175.123 Rating: N/A |
what did somu say?? btw who is somu?? | ||
Machomegastar Hero Username: Machomegastar Post Number: 14862 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.231.19 Rating: |
prathi paksham meeda evadoo viruchukupadadu buddunna ye politican ayina!! mana okka PK tappa!! power lo vunnodini pogadataniki nuvvenduku nee party enduku!! vallaku vallau vela ki vela kotlu karchu chesi ads elagoo veyistunnaru, roju pogudukuntunnaru gada!! New_user: Fights / dances kosam, cinema ela unna, oka sari chudali anukune oka set of audience Chiranjeevi ki matrame unnaru. TFI lo highest success ratio Chiru ke untundi. | ||
Nanigadulocal Side Hero Username: Nanigadulocal Post Number: 4600 Registered: 09-2016 Posted From: 161.167.237.112 Rating: |
nikarr narayan jagan meedha emi analedhu aa ?? | ||
Machomegastar Hero Username: Machomegastar Post Number: 14859 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.231.19 Rating: |
bjp tho fight cheddam anna alochana vachina kooda bob ni jail lo pedatharu antunnadu corruption charges meeda monna somu veerraju ni oosko annaru!!! kiki.. New_user: Fights / dances kosam, cinema ela unna, oka sari chudali anukune oka set of audience Chiranjeevi ki matrame unnaru. TFI lo highest success ratio Chiru ke untundi. | ||
Machomegastar Hero Username: Machomegastar Post Number: 14858 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.231.19 Rating: N/A |
https://www.sakshi.com/news/politics/cpi-narayana-slams-chan drababu-and-pawan-1040822 New_user: Fights / dances kosam, cinema ela unna, oka sari chudali anukune oka set of audience Chiranjeevi ki matrame unnaru. TFI lo highest success ratio Chiru ke untundi. |
