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Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 12:03 am:       

asalu bad loans ela recover chestonnar.. aa loans iche managers/employees meeda em actions teeskontunnaru adi telchandi first..

insurance is good.. dani valla depositors ki benefit untundi.. but full amount ki guarantee ivvali.. not just 1lakh... ila 1lakh ki matrame guarantee ante evadu matram banks lo paisal pedtad..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 11:14 pm:       


Jambalahaart_raja:

Bail In Clause applies to any bank, both nationalized and private. At least Nationalized Banks lo Govt is answerable, Private Banks lo purely Depositors luck!!!




confidence vache daka janalu Nationalized banks lo ne pettukuntaru money. Nenaithe ade chestanu. I regularly operate an icici account but never place anything above 1 lakh in that account over night. naa dabbulantha sbi lo untayi. eppudu operate cheyyalante appudu icici ki transfer chesukoni operate chesta.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 03:56 pm:       

Not all Banks in India are Nationalized.
First adi gurthinchaali meeru.
All of this Govt will save the Bank, by merging into stronger bank etc, protect the interest of account-holders aka depositors, iyanni Nationalized Banks ki maatrame applicable.
There are more than hundreds of Private Banks operating in India, and most popular among them all is ICICI, I think so, or may be Citibank, or even HSBC, or HDFC Bank etc.
RBI will not discriminate, and will allow licensing and operations for anybody to start a modest bank. Any bank can borrow any amount following some basic guidelines from any nationalized bank as well.
Thus, we should recall the sob stories of Vasavi Bank, Vysya Bank, GTB, and many more.
Bail In Clause applies to any bank, both nationalized and private. At least Nationalized Banks lo Govt is answerable, Private Banks lo purely Depositors luck!!!
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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 03:08 pm:       


Dada:

The loan defaulter should be made to pay.
Why are defaulters getting the benefits? Why are the big ticket bad loans being written off?
Take strict action against them - Ask them to pay up. Call the bluff about their bogey of layoffs if you take action against us!



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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 03:02 pm:       


Bharat:

So who pays in the above example?



The loan defaulter should be made to pay.
Why are defaulters getting the benefits? Why are the big ticket bad loans being written off?
Take strict action against them - Ask them to pay up. Call the bluff about their bogey of layoffs if you take action against us!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:59 pm:       


Dada:

Why should the depositor pay for the mistakes committed by some one else?




So who pays in the above example? I'm trying to understand your solution in case of a banking industry collapse.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:59 pm:       


Wellsfargo:

with this clause they should increase the insurance amount. Lets say they make it 10 lakhs.




Yes. Rs.1 Lakh was the amount as of 1998. Now it should be increased to 10 lakhs or even higher.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:58 pm:       


Dada:

Why should the depositor pay for the mistakes committed by some one else? Better to withdraw all the cash and buy gold.Because of demonitization,cash anyway cannot be kept.

Or even transfer the money overseas.




Overseas lo koodaa safety ekkada vundhi bhayyaa.

Gold price is subject to fluctuations

STock market lo pedathaaru but still fluctautions and volatality
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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:58 pm:       


Andhrawala:

clients are there and peopel are there



Try running a company with 50K Employees and a few 100 clients BUT WITHOUT CASH!!!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:57 pm:       


Wellsfargo:

with this clause they should increase the insurance amount. Lets say they make it 10 lakhs




periodically based on inflation they need to revise this amount.
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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:56 pm:       


Bharat:

What happens if all the banks go bust like in Greece or Cypress?




Why should the depositor pay for the mistakes committed by some one else? Better to withdraw all the cash and buy gold.Because of demonitization,cash anyway cannot be kept.

Or even transfer the money overseas.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:55 pm:       


Dada:

Who would have thought that Satyam will miraculously survive?




Satyam survived mainly becos the clients are there and peopel are there. Tech Mahindra shareholders were the most who got benefitted
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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:53 pm:       


Dada:

When GTB went bust, who would have thought that another bank will take over GTB. Who would have thought that Satyam will miraculously survive?

The option of forming an expert committee and protecting the depositors adn shareholders should be the primary objective.
These options need to be explored first and the Government today has the right to exercise these options.
So why change this?




Ivanni jaragavu ani evaru chepparu. Basically aa insured money ki non insured money difference enti mana desam lo ee bail in clause leka pothe? ee whatsapp forward gallu just new bill lo bail in teesukoni janalni bhaya peduthunnaru.

with this clause they should increase the insurance amount. Lets say they make it 10 lakhs. when there are bad loans they take the money from the deposits and the insurance company(deposit insurance and credit guarantee corporation (DICGC)) pays the depositors. This way the tax payers need not bail out the bank for things they don't have control on. The DICGC will montior the banks to ensure the safety of the money they insure. antha good ee
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:43 pm:       


Dada:

So why change this?




What happens if all the banks go bust like in Greece or Cypress? Where will the govt get the money to repay the depositors and which bank will take over such a collapse? Its unlikely to happen but what if?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:39 pm:       


Bharat:



1 Lakh is the insured amount and is always there. It was increased from Rs.20,000 to Rs.1 Lakh in 1998.

When GTB went bust, who would have thought that another bank will take over GTB. Who would have thought that Satyam will miraculously survive?

The option of forming an expert committee and protecting the depositors adn shareholders should be the primary objective.
These options need to be explored first and the Government today has the right to exercise these options.
So why change this?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:38 pm:       

As a practical matter, Government will make sure taxpayer money is used to repay any depositor if a Govt bank is closed due to losses for fear of backlash....but that is not the law...also it has not happened to a govt bank till now
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:36 pm:       


Dada:

but for large banks and even large corporations the government needs to ensure that the depositors money is safe.




only upto deposit insurance.i.e 1 lakh...GTB issue lo vere bank konadaniki ready ga undhi kabatti work out ayindhi...even in case of govt bank, only 1 lakh is guaranteed
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:34 pm:       


Bharat:




The government has the right to form an expert committee and hand over the day to day operations of a failed large enterprise (like GTB or Satyam) to that committee.
This is a good practice for a country like India. Why not maintain this?

In some Western economies during the Sub-Prime crises, the bail In was passed - and it is fine, because here there is an element of Government involvement / government welfare.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:30 pm:       


Bharat:

Will all the depositors get their money back under the current law?




Yes.
When GTB collapsed the Government mediated and ensured that OBC took over the bank.
In case of small cooperative / regional banks - the central Govt has no role - but for large banks and even large corporations the government needs to ensure that the depositors money is safe.
The whole concept of bank nationalization of 1968/69 was bought in to protect the depositor.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:27 pm:       


Andhrawala:




Bad loans - NPAs - What action has been taken against the defaulters?
No action so far and instead Rs.1 Lakh crore + bad loans have BEEN WRITTEN OFF.
These are less than 15 people.
And now the the common man has to pay for these write offs!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:26 pm:       

pelliki hospital ki dabbulu kaavali bulk lo and they want to empty accounts appudu em cheyyaali ?
Boob annai ni kindhesi thanthe DB set aithadhi
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:26 pm:       

What happens today when a bank suffer losses? Will all the depositors get their money back under the current law? Obviously not, if there is not enough money. So whoever withdraws their money first will get it and the rest will get nothing? Even today insurance is only up to 1 lakh. So why is the bail-in policy negative compared to the current law?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:18 pm:       

So if a bank goes into losses, they are using the depositor's money to fund their operations.
Similarly, if the bank makes profits, will they share the profits with the depositor?

And even on a serious issue like this - people are unable to go beyond UPA vs NDA!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:17 pm:       


Dada:

On issues like this - there needs to be a lot of debate before taking the decision - better to be slow and not take a decision , rather than be seen as dynamics but take the wrong decision




repu 18th na BJP Gujarat lo odipoyekaa decsions will be too slow till 2019 elections,

So nothign to worry
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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:16 pm:       


Dada:

This is the BROOM being used by the Government to hide the truth :-)
Each country has it's own dynamics and realities. What may be good in US may not work in India.




Dada annai

No worry for depositors money

PM Narendra Modi Denies Threat to Bank Deposits, Says Bad Loans Were UPA Govt's 'Biggest Scam'

http://www.news18.com/news/india/upa-govt-made-banks-dole-ou t-loans-to-industrialists-scam-bigger-than-2g-cwg-pm-narendr a-modi-at-ficci-1603339.html
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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:15 pm:       


Dada:

Why should the depositor struggle if the bank goes into losses?




No depositor will lose money. Bail-in used to prevent all the depositors emptying their accounts at once. If a bank is unable to pay back, govt will merge it with another strong bank. Unlike the present situation, every depositor will know the condition of their bank based on the new rating system. Also, the deposit insurance will be raised from the present 1Lakh.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:14 pm:       

On issues like this - there needs to be a lot of debate before taking the decision - better to be slow and not take a decision , rather than be seen as dynamics but take the wrong decision

https://youtu.be/oGXREwK26Dk?t=26m53s
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:11 pm:       


Bharat:

best practices adopted around the world.




This is the BROOM being used by the Government to hide the truth :-)
Each country has it's own dynamics and realities. What may be good in US may not work in India.

Why should the depositor sugger if the bank goes into losses? And saying - the depositor is financing the bank and hence the depositor is liable for the losses of the bank is preposterous. if this is the case -then it is better not to keep money in the banks!!!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:11 pm:       

http://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis/frdi-bill-your-deposi ts-are-safe-and-banks-cannot-use-them-without-your-consent/s tory-TBf5QuI4eczXx8E2EhwhKN.html

"It also puts in place rules that will classify financial firms into five categories based on their risk of failure: low, moderate, material, imminent and critical risk to viability.".....Any depositor will know th econdition of their bank. All this means, banks have to be more careful in future while giving loans, otherwise they will lose rating and there will bea run on the bank.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:08 pm:       

http://www.thehindu.com/business/Economy/the-lowdown-on-the- bail-in-clause/article21381452.ece

"The bail-in feature is in line with the best practices adopted around the world. For example, the Financial Stability Board, which has members comprising most G20 countries (including India), has recommended that its members allow the resolution of financial companies using bail-in. Similarly, the European Union has proposed bail-in as a resolution tool. The bail-in clause emerged as a possible alternative to bail-outs in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis, when numerous banks went bankrupt."
 

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Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 02:04 pm:       

It is real!!!
The depositor is protected upto the Insured amount - which is Rs.100,000/-
Anything above Rs.100,000 can be used by the bank. (For e.g. convert them to FDs)

So far no bank has failed and in rare cases like GTB, RBI or the Government helps out or mediates with another bank to take over the ailing bank so that depositors do not loose out. Why can we not continue this practice?
Why give the right to a bank to utilize the deposits.

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