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Lichtenberg Side Hero Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 2576 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 76.184.139.27 Rating: N/A |
Awara, A) Art 30(1) says religious and linguistic minorities have right to run educational institutions without state interference. Rights like how to run schools, how to appoint teachers, what salary to pay, how to recruit students, how much fee to charge etc., Six religions - Islam, Christianity, Buddhists, Jains, Sikh, Parsi and linguistic minority in states. AMong these linguistic have fewer rights than religious. They centralized this during Sonia govt. Earlier it used to be state govts deciding minority or not (Also note how property rights are covered if it is tied to education.) https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1687408/ B) Point A above talks about minorities. What about majority? Do they have right to run educational institutes? Nowhere in constition, it talks about majority rights in running educational institutes. Till 2003, state was interfering in all edu inst run by majorities - including private schools/colleges. Minority schools/colleges - even funded by govt had all these rights i.e, govt cannot interfere. C) 2003 - TMA Pai case. Minority rights in education are covered by Art 30(1). What about majority? The court said Art 19(1)(g) gives right to profession and running school/college is also profession, so majority also have same rights in running private educational institutes. Still govt-aided minority have more rights than govt-aided majority. Atleast in private education, majority and minority are equal. Sounds moral and good, right? The Congress ecosystem called this assault on minorities. Till date, I have not seen one person explaining how giving equal rights to run private schools to majority and minority is bad for minorities. The Parsi ingrate Fali Nariman led the charge(he is hailed as a great jurist by the congress ecosystem for a reason.) D) Now SC said majority or minority, the state cannot interfere in private education. How will they interfere? UPA won in 2004. IN 2005, they introduced 93rd amendment to insert Art 15(5). It states: even though Art 19(1)(g) gives right to profession, the state can interfere in private educational inst run by majority for social justice. They explicitly excluded minority-run edu inst - even govt-aided ones from Art 15(5). http://indiacode.nic.in/coiweb/amend/amend93.htm E) In 2014, in Pramati judgement, Supreme court upheld the above in the case of RTE and said RTE applies only to schools run by majority. Even govt-aided schools run by minority are exempt. https://indiankanoon.org/doc/32468867/ The truth is Art 15(5) is open ended - it is not just about RTE. They are planning more if they come to power again. | ||
Ipc302 Megastar Username: Ipc302 Post Number: 25151 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.35.226.162 Rating: N/A |
online keyboard hero..bayata bebe bebe annamata nen | ||
Awara1984 Side Hero Username: Awara1984 Post Number: 7871 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 183.82.166.186 Rating: N/A |
Ok will check it later, if you have time you can post the gist briefly | ||
Lichtenberg Side Hero Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 2575 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 76.184.139.27 Rating: N/A |
Awara, they used 93rd amendment/Art 15(5) to justify RTE. Next there are bills in line like Education Tribunals Bill - where if u complain about a school/college mgmt, mgmt has to go before a tribual.(As expected, minority-run schools/colleges are exempt.) Malli Congress power loki vachindi ante ithade. TDP Narayana kurrod ki pagilinde | ||
Awara1984 Side Hero Username: Awara1984 Post Number: 7870 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 183.82.166.186 Rating: N/A |
Meerena adi? | ||
Lichtenberg Side Hero Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 2574 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 76.184.139.27 Rating: N/A |
Awara, it was not a type. RIght to Education(RTE) is a law. Right to profession is part of Art 19. They inserted Art 15(5) which takes away right to profession from Hindus and they brought RTE Act to apply it to Hindus schools using Art 15(5). Below is a video which explains this(he goes a little out of sequence.) I will explain briefly in the sequence if you want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUcDp3wsd4E | ||
Awara1984 Side Hero Username: Awara1984 Post Number: 7869 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 183.82.166.186 Rating: N/A |
Right to profession Ani auto correct ainattundi, it is right to education | ||
Ipc302 Megastar Username: Ipc302 Post Number: 25150 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.35.226.162 Rating: N/A |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdFCdxBcpS8 Rajya sabha TV lo discussion...sai deepak arguments vinandi... | ||
Lichtenberg Side Hero Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 2573 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 76.184.139.27 Rating: N/A |
Most "activists" and usual suspects in media(Wire, Scroll) try to copy rights movements in west like gender, data privacy, net neutrality etc., But in places like US, basic stuff like property rights, same law/rules for everyone - these are settled. If you get basics right, you will get everything on top of it right. These privacy judgements etc e r jujubi. IMO the last important judgement with wide-ranging was Pramati judgement. Art 19(1)(g) gives right to profession to everyone. UPA govt inserted Art 15(5) taking away this from Hindus - explicitly excluding minorities - 93rd amendment. In 2014, SC upheld this in Pramati judgement. This was a landmark judgement with huge impact. Google these names and see how many in media discussed this. These "activists" and "media" hide imp stuff. They decide what are important judgements and hide real stuff. Atleast privacy judgement applies to all - good or bad. Judgements like Pramati upholding restrictions on only Hindus - what a fcuked up situation we are in. | ||
Lichtenberg Side Hero Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 2572 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 76.184.139.27 Rating: N/A |
yes. There was a case in SC to reinstate right to property. The court rejected it and the reasoning will blow your mind. 42nd amendment - Indira suspended civil liberties, jailed opposition and inserted the words 'secular and 'socialist' in constitution without debate(Ambedkar was against inserting these words in the original constitution) 44th amendment - Janata govt removed right to property as fundamental right Later a case was filed to reinstate right to property as FR. The court said since socialist word is there now, it has to be read along with that and rejected it. | ||
Awara1984 Side Hero Username: Awara1984 Post Number: 7868 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 183.82.166.186 Rating: N/A |
Yes govt can take your land or home whenever they want by paying you compenaation which govt itself decides as the right amount | ||
Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9944 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 76.30.50.54 Rating: N/A |
Does it mean the government can take away my land or house whenever they want? Don't text and drive ! | ||
Teluguhero Side Hero Username: Teluguhero Post Number: 2330 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 73.53.247.140 Rating: N/A |
Exactly.Some people in India always talk too much for matters that does not amount to anything and may never take place.This card is one of the best thing UPA govt did for India.Nearly all major countries use biometric for border control. | ||
Awara1984 Side Hero Username: Awara1984 Post Number: 7867 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 183.82.166.186 Rating: N/A |
Justice Chelameswar has included a womanâs freedom of choice to bear a child or abort the pregnancy, freedom to choose to work or not and the right to travel freely as falling within the right to privacy. // does this mean rule of 10 weeks or something for abortion goes off? | ||
Lichtenberg Side Hero Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 2571 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 76.184.139.27 Rating: N/A |
Filmbuff, I don't support aadhaar. I am saying govts may use that for supporting aadhaar. | ||
Filmbuff Side Hero Username: Filmbuff Post Number: 8795 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 103.240.192.179 Rating: N/A |
How does Aadhar being required by mobile companies for instance, supported by this. How does Aadhar being linked to PAN, be supported. Btw, every fundamental right - even freedom of speech etc have a reasonable restriction provision. Beyond Aadhar too - the state can't frigging dictate what i eat, who i worship who i sleep with or what i read or watch. All the 4 states that were fighting against this were BJP ruled states and the 4 states supporting the Right to Privacy were all opposition ruled states. And then Ravi Shankar Prasad goes and lies blatantly that they were always in support of the right to privacy. Vella lies ki end ledhu. | ||
Awara1984 Side Hero Username: Awara1984 Post Number: 7866 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 183.82.166.186 Rating: N/A |
right to privacy thoti sec 377 which the same court upheld last year will become invalid kottestaro leda chudali, leda danni excpetions loki tostaremo | ||
Lichtenberg Side Hero Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 2570 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 76.184.139.27 Rating: N/A |
Read it as Ishan, there is **no*** right to property in India(Minorities have it in an indirect way under Art 30.) | ||
Lichtenberg Side Hero Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 2569 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 76.184.139.27 Rating: N/A |
Ishan, there is right to property in India(Minorities have it in an indirect way under Art 30.) Property and privacy are linked. Right to property was there in Indian constitution. It was taken away with 44th amendment. | ||
Awara1984 Side Hero Username: Awara1984 Post Number: 7865 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 183.82.166.186 Rating: N/A |
privacy constitution raase time ki pedda significance undi undadu ee digital technology perigaka importance vachindi | ||
Lichtenberg Side Hero Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 2568 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 76.184.139.27 Rating: N/A |
From the judgement, you can say this supports aadhaar. https://indiankanoon.org/doc/91938676/ Data mining with the object of ensuring that resources are properly deployed to legitimate beneficiaries is a valid ground for the state to insist on the PART S collection of authentic data. | ||
Awara1984 Side Hero Username: Awara1984 Post Number: 7864 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 183.82.166.186 Rating: N/A |
idi ippudu start avvaledu, constitution raasina 18 months lone start aipoindi ee exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_of_the_Constit ution_of_India | ||
Gsn1 Side Hero Username: Gsn1 Post Number: 4862 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 100.36.170.176 Rating: N/A |
Whose privacy is violated with Aadhar? What is wrong collecting all the information and tying it to one data element? If it is misused, then we can understand. The information collected should be safeguarded and common data (not private information) should be accessible easily for government administration purposes. Any other information that is tied should be accessible on to HIGHLY authorized personnel and with court permission. I don't agree with the court verdict in totality, but I do agree that there should be well thought FRAMEWORK for the Aadhar based data usage. | ||
Awara1984 Side Hero Username: Awara1984 Post Number: 7863 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 183.82.166.186 Rating: N/A |
Oka rapist ki siksha vesinanduku oka pakka huge violence oka pakka tana fundamental right kosam fight chesina ishat jahan (triple talaq) is now facing social boycott and her life is threatened now in Bengal same ade name tho terrorist ni champinappudu gola chesina vallalo oka 10% kuda ee poor lady ni support cheyyakapovadaniki raaka povadam, is very sad sad to see this | ||
Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9943 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 76.30.50.54 Rating: N/A |
Its bit saddening that a basic citizen right such as this was not actually part of our constitution in the first place. But as some one said, passing a law is easy but enforcing it is a different game altogether. Don't text and drive ! | ||
Lichtenberg Side Hero Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 2567 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 76.184.139.27 Rating: N/A |
Awara, that is the hallmark of our hopeless judiciary. They give grand statements with lot of caveats. Govt and ppl seize on these caveats. No basic principles and standards. There is even one judge who said he would hold bible above constitution. Good that Nilekani is going to infy. Hopd he does not do any public policy stuff. Main guy behind pushing aadhaar on everything and cashless. | ||
Awara1984 Side Hero Username: Awara1984 Post Number: 7862 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 183.82.166.186 Rating: N/A |
courts kante judges daya or mood or his affiliations or religion anali | ||
Awara1984 Side Hero Username: Awara1984 Post Number: 7861 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 183.82.166.186 Rating: N/A |
ika aadhar ki emi avuddi anedi bench mida unna judges daya mida depend avuddi already bill pass chesamu emaina chinna issues unte govt danni exceptions lo pettamantundi judges vallu ok ankunte it will stay, ledante few modifications cheyyamantaru ade law ki so deenitho edo mahatyam jaragabotundi miracle jaragabotundi ani nenu anukovatledu | ||
Lichtenberg Side Hero Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 2566 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 76.184.139.27 Rating: N/A |
People are reading these selective grandiose statements which don't translate into concrete stuff. Right to privacy is FR - this is what is declared but what r people entitled to is not clearly defined. There will be more cases on various individual ideas and courts have to clarify on each - courts have increased their power in other words. | ||
Awara1984 Side Hero Username: Awara1984 Post Number: 7860 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 183.82.166.186 Rating: N/A |
judgements in the end will depend on whims and fancies ani monnane mugguru supreme court judges prove chesaru by claiming that personal laws that comes from religion or more powerful than fundamental rights provided by the constitution of india to its citizens ani | ||
Lichtenberg Side Hero Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 2565 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 76.184.139.27 Rating: N/A |
Here is the judgement copy https://indiankanoon.org/doc/91938676/ | ||
Awara1984 Side Hero Username: Awara1984 Post Number: 7859 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 183.82.166.186 Rating: N/A |
This does not make much of difference in my opinion inta kanna strong aina right to equality and right to free speeches ki boledu exceptions ichesukunnamu ippudu idi kuda anthe judges kuda ade chepparu it is not absolute and comes with exceptions ani, ika aa exceptions enti ani aa time lo unna govt mida, judgement iche judge paina depend avuddi so it is not a real game changer only difference enti ante emergency appudu ide supreme court ichina govt has more power kind of thing judgement pakkaku tosesi limited rights ani pass cheyyadam | ||
Filmbuff Side Hero Username: Filmbuff Post Number: 8794 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 103.240.192.179 Rating: N/A |
Emotional blackmailing using the corruption boogie - as if corruption is going to die out with Aadhar..there are dozens of other simpler things that can be done to control corruption which we don't want to do | ||
Bharat Side Hero Username: Bharat Post Number: 4562 Registered: 06-2015 Posted From: 149.168.240.7 Rating: N/A |
Anyway I hope AADHAR is not affected....Govt asalu emi restrictions pettakamundhe 80-90% janatha voluntary ga teesukunnaru AADHAR....dhaanni nashanam chese varaku nidra poye laaga leru | ||
Bharat Side Hero Username: Bharat Post Number: 4561 Registered: 06-2015 Posted From: 149.168.240.7 Rating: N/A |
How can USA be compared with India? India lo passport kuda dongavi teesukovachu...Is it not legitimate Govt interest to safeguard tax payer money? In USA also that day will come soon....even now some states collect DNA for every arrest....Each country is diffeent...wE don't have proper land records & bank records....how to prevent corruption if we can't even identify a person? | ||
Filmbuff Side Hero Username: Filmbuff Post Number: 8792 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 103.240.192.179 Rating: N/A |
https://scroll.in/article/823570/despite-the-comparisons-ind ias-aadhaar-project-is-nothing-like-americas-social-security -number This is the most common wool that is pulled over our eyes. There is no comparison between SSN and Aadhaar. The most basic one - SSN is not an ID proof, Aadhar is..., SSN does not collect biometrics or iris scans, Aadhaar does...please read the article above.
With the requirement for having Aadhar everywhere - birth certificates, death certificates, school admissions, mobile connections, midday meals, tax returns, exam hall tickets etc - the govt has insights into every act of yours and you don't have an option for opting out. Why the hell does my mobile company need my Aadhaar..Aadhaar = SSN++++++
Check out the Wire, they have the pdfs of the individual judgements - all the judgements put together are close to 550 pages. Read Justice Chandrachud and Justice Chelameshwar's judgements - they are the best. | ||
Saint Legend Username: Saint Post Number: 69581 Registered: 01-2011 Posted From: 144.230.191.36 Rating: N/A |
I dont understand this privacy concept. Govt is not keeping any webcams/ tapping your phones right? why cant we have a single unique ID to identify entire history (financial/rental/etc etc) of a person? How is it different from SSN? How is govt invading your privacy if they ask you to link Adhar with every financial related activity? Am I missing something? | ||
Gandhiguevara Legend Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 65253 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 72.190.25.86 Rating: N/A |
complete statement pdf emanna vundhaa | ||
Filmbuff Side Hero Username: Filmbuff Post Number: 8789 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 150.129.237.232 Rating: N/A |
High courts lo udathalu patte vallu untaremo kaani, Supreme Court usually has briliant minds. Out of the 3 Telugu Supreme Court Justices currently - Chalameshwar, NV Ramana and L Nageswara rao, Chalameshwar is the most individualistic and brilliant i feel. He sided with the govt. view on the Collegium earlier and went against the majority of the bar and the Supreme Court. This judgement on the contrary goes against many of the current govt's pet themes - he is not afraid of taking a morally and legally right view. | ||
Filmbuff Side Hero Username: Filmbuff Post Number: 8788 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 150.129.237.232 Rating: N/A |
The court chided the Centre for describing right to privacy as an âelitist construct.â Attorney-General K.K. Venugopal had argued that privacy was the concern of a few, while schemes like Aadhaar, which require citizens to part with their biometric details to the state, reduce corruption and benefit millions of poor. âThe refrain that the poor need no civil and political rights and are concerned only with economic well-being has been utilised through history to wreak the most egregious violations of human rights. It is privacy, as an intrinsic and core feature of life and personal liberty, which enables individuals to stand up against a programme of forced sterilisation. It is the right to question, scrutinise, dissent which enables an informed citizenry to scrutinise the actions of government,â Justice Chandrachud said, addressing Mr. Venugopal's arguments. | ||
Gandhiguevara Legend Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 65221 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 72.190.25.86 Rating: |
maa nephew okadu extreme talented chaduvu lo....almost child prodigy anukovachu....vaadi aim Supreme Court Justice avvaali ani...mundu edho chepthaarle chinna pillakaayal anukunevadni....but vaaditho interact ayyaka aaa depth choosi naaku mind block ayyindhi...India lo edava politicians vunnaa gaani daanni balance cheyyadaniki manchi justice lu, manchi IAS lu IPS lu vundaali amazing sir... | ||
Abhysg Legend Username: Abhysg Post Number: 42319 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 72.219.210.147 Rating: N/A |
repu teerigga disco seddam ani aganu.. sala peddollu batting seyyali ee topic meeda | ||
Redclaw777 Side Hero Username: Redclaw777 Post Number: 4066 Registered: 12-2011 Posted From: 183.83.210.232 Rating: N/A |
Good one...more details plz. | ||
Filmbuff Side Hero Username: Filmbuff Post Number: 8786 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 150.242.63.121 Rating: N/A |
Justice Chelameswar said "Insofar as religious beliefs are concerned, he said that âa good deal of the misery our species suffer owes its existence to and centres around competing claims of the right to propagate religionâ | ||
Filmbuff Side Hero Username: Filmbuff Post Number: 8785 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 150.242.63.121 Rating: N/A |
Unanimous verdict yesterday that privacy is a fundamental right - quite a landmark judgement. Along with Keshavananda Bharathi case it would be one of the most important judgements in modern India. The judgements by the 9 judges are exceptionally well written, reasoned, nuanced - anyone interested in such things should read it. Touches upon points like freedom, liberty, democracy etc in a very articulate fashion. Hopefully this can reduce the overarching role of Aadhaar in our everyday lives. The blame for Aadhar should go to the Congress for starting it without a proper legal sanction and then more to the BJP for making it so widespread and rampant. The fact that Times Now or Republic did not cover this last night is enough to guess that the BJP govt is not too happy with this outcome. Justice Chelameshwar - âI do not think that anybody would like to be told by the state as to what they should eat or how they should dress or whom they should be associated with either in their personal, social or political life" |
