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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 12:13 pm:       


Sankara:

I think this is binary (bits) problem. One can find out in ten minutes.
Numbers - bits
0 - 0 0 0
1 -. 0 0 1
2 -. 0 1 0
3 - 0 1 1
4 -. 1 0 0
5 -. 1 0 1
6 -. 1 1 0
7 - 1 1 1

There are 3 colums one for each rat.
So no.5 chemical is served for rat 1 and rat 3.
No.6 chemical is served for rat 1 and rat 2.




yes perfect. that is all it is
 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 11:39 am:       


Sankara:




true . considering the life and death as bits, its a genericl problem

if you have 2 rats, in 1 go you can identify upto 4 chems
if you have 3 rats, in 1 go you can identify upto 8 chems
if you have 4 rts, in 1 go you can identify upto 16 chems
 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 11:38 am:       


Amigo:

There are 8 non-reactive chemicals out of which one is poisonous. You have three lab rats to test them on. The poison takes 10 mins to work. How will you find out which is the poisonous chemical in the least possible time?


Principle of elimination use cheyyalanukunta...

Common chemicals in two groups
R1+R2 - 1
R1+R3 - 2
R2+R3 -3

Chemical that is unique to one group

R1 - 4
R2 - 5
R3 - 6

Chemical that is present in all the groups: R1+R2+R3 - 7
Chemical that is absent in all the groups: 8

So finally
R1 - 1,2,4,7
R2 - 1,3,5,7
R3 - 2,3,6,7

We can assign chemicals as we wish, but the principle is the same.
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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 11:32 am:       


Alochinchu:

numbers rearrange chesi pettu.. college lo practicals results laga..




 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 11:28 am:       

I think this is binary (bits) problem. One can find out in ten minutes.
Numbers - bits
0 - 0 0 0
1 -. 0 0 1
2 -. 0 1 0
3 - 0 1 1
4 -. 1 0 0
5 -. 1 0 1
6 -. 1 1 0
7 - 1 1 1

There are 3 colums one for each rat.
So no.5 chemical is served for rat 1 and rat 3.
No.6 chemical is served for rat 1 and rat 2.
...

In this case, at the end of ten minutes if rat 1 and rat 3 does together, chemical 5 is the culprit. If no. 7 is poison, then all 3 rats die.

( You can call no.0 as poison 1 and no.7 as poison 8).
I
 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 11:13 am:       

good one.

it can be done in 1 go, as 2 power 3 is 8 (2 being life or death for the rat). that is rats and its possibilites of life and death can be arranged in 8 unique ways.

there are four possibilities in 1 go

0 rats dying
1 rat dying
2 rats dying
3 rats dying

divide the chemicals in this order

For the case 0 where no rat dies - keep aside one chemical out lets say 1
For the case 1 rat dying each rat gets one unique chemical (example (2,3,4))
For the case 3 - give all the rats the same poison (example 5)
For the case 2 - divide the remaining chemicals(that is 3) in to groups of three with two of the same chemicals(6,6,7)(7,8,8)

2567
3568
4578
 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 11:06 am:       


Alochinchu:

R1: 1 2 4 5
R2: 1 3 4 6
R3: 2 3 4 7




yup super
 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 10:54 am:       


Abhysg:




numbers rearrange chesi pettu.. college lo practicals results laga..
 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 10:47 am:       


Alochinchu:



Bharat:


 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 10:43 am:       


Ruj:



kindha alochinchu already seppad




hmm... 1 chemical ni pattukodaniki 1 way untada.. akkada 8 chemicals unnay.. nen bhee pattukonta.. soopista.. after 1hr..
 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 10:41 am:       


Abhysg:

ee combo ki konchem time pattuddi..1hr lo septa..




 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 10:40 am:       


Abhysg:

ee combo ki konchem time pattuddi..1hr lo septa.





Alochinchu:

R1: 1 2 4 5
R2: 1 3 4 6
R3: 2 3 4 7


 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 10:40 am:       


Abhysg:

ee combo ki konchem time pattuddi..1hr lo septa..




kindha alochinchu already seppad
 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 10:39 am:       

yes.. it's possible in 10min.. create a unique combination of chemical(s) can be fed to rats.. if same chemical is part of the combo given to died rats.. that's poisonos..

ee combo ki konchem time pattuddi..1hr lo septa..
 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 10:36 am:       


Bharat:




nee resolution ni inkonchemu laaga..
 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 10:33 am:       


Alochinchu:

R1: 1 2 4 5
R2: 1 3 4 6
R3: 2 3 4 7




Excellent...Definitely correct answer
 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 10:31 am:       


Alochinchu:



sufer
 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 10:23 am:       

R1: 1 2 4 5
R2: 1 3 4 6
R3: 2 3 4 7
 

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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2017 - 10:04 am:       

Guys, not quite.

It is possible in 10 mins, give it another go.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 04:07 pm:       

1, 2 chemicals for Rat A
3, 4 chemicals for Rat B
5, 6 chemicals for Rat C

After 10 min

If one rat dies, give those two chemicals to two living rats

If all are alive, give 7 & 8 chemicals to any of the two living rats

So total 20 min
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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 03:46 pm:       


Amigo:

There are 8 non-reactive chemicals out of which one is poisonous. You have three lab rats to test them on. The poison takes 10 mins to work. How will you find out which is the poisonous chemical in the least possible time?




3 rats ki 3 chemicals tagista pothe sari.. with 10min gap lo.. telustundi kada which one anedi.. any case 31min..
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 03:30 pm:       


Bharat:

appudu inko solution emanna undhemo mari




appudu na solution.. nenu ichaga okati.. :D
Veedi dialogue veedike applicable - Manam Baagunnappudu lekkalu maatlaadi, kashtallo unnappudu viluvalu matladakudadhu sir...
yedo mayabazar teesinattu genre gurinchi lecturing.... deenemma life

-sesani about DJ
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 03:28 pm:       


Rusthum:

assuming that you can feed same rat more than once




ya....alaa kudarakapothe inkaa ekkuva time padthadhi.....appudu inko solution emanna undhemo mari
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 03:26 pm:       


Bharat:

First Rat -- Feed Chemical 1, Chemical 2, Chemical 3
Second Rat -- Feed Chemical 3, Chemical 4, Chemical 5
Third Rat -- Feed Chemical 5, Chemical 6, Chemical 7

Total time 10 minutes

If the First rat dies, feed Chemical 1 to rat 2 and Chemical 2 to rat 3
If the Second rat dies, Chemical 4 is the Poison
If the Third rat dies, feed Chemical 6 to rat 1 and Chemical 7 to rat 2

Based on who dies now, Poison can be found out

Total time 20 minutes

If we are lucky its 10 minutes, or else 20 minutes




assuming that you can feed same rat more than once
Veedi dialogue veedike applicable - Manam Baagunnappudu lekkalu maatlaadi, kashtallo unnappudu viluvalu matladakudadhu sir...
yedo mayabazar teesinattu genre gurinchi lecturing.... deenemma life

-sesani about DJ
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 03:23 pm:       


Bharat:



smart
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 03:21 pm:       

If no rat dies, Chemical 8 is the poison...So still only 10 minutes
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 03:20 pm:       

First Rat -- Feed Chemical 1, Chemical 2, Chemical 3
Second Rat -- Feed Chemical 3, Chemical 4, Chemical 5
Third Rat -- Feed Chemical 5, Chemical 6, Chemical 7

Total time 10 minutes

If the First rat dies, feed Chemical 1 to rat 2 and Chemical 2 to rat 3
If the Second rat dies, Chemical 4 is the Poison
If the Third rat dies, feed Chemical 6 to rat 1 and Chemical 7 to rat 2

Based on who dies now, Poison can be found out

Total time 20 minutes

If we are lucky its 10 minutes, or else 20 minutes
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 03:20 pm:       

30 mins kanna ekkuva or thakkuva lo test cheyyalevu.. inka least amount of time ekkada nunchi wachindi?
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 03:12 pm:       


Rusthum:

I will first set




I will test ani saduvkondi
Veedi dialogue veedike applicable - Manam Baagunnappudu lekkalu maatlaadi, kashtallo unnappudu viluvalu matladakudadhu sir...
yedo mayabazar teesinattu genre gurinchi lecturing.... deenemma life

-sesani about DJ
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 03:12 pm:       

divide 8 into 2 sets of 4.. I will first set 4 chemicals on first rat.. it is alive after 10 mins then i will move on the other set and divide that into 2 sets of 2 each and repeat the same. LKG question
Veedi dialogue veedike applicable - Manam Baagunnappudu lekkalu maatlaadi, kashtallo unnappudu viluvalu matladakudadhu sir...
yedo mayabazar teesinattu genre gurinchi lecturing.... deenemma life

-sesani about DJ
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 03:09 pm:       

I will call PETA
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 03:08 pm:       

There are 8 non-reactive chemicals out of which one is poisonous. You have three lab rats to test them on. The poison takes 10 mins to work. How will you find out which is the poisonous chemical in the least possible time?

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