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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2017 - 01:42 am:       


Platypus:

I talked to the Satya who confirmed that EMEA was now handled by Steve

I talked to the Satya who confirmed that EMEA is now handled by Steve




confidential matter ikkada postinatlunnar
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2017 - 12:58 am:       

I talked to Satya, who confirmed that Steve handles EMEA.
And one other thing, why are you still reading this line that is obviously my signature?

 

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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2017 - 12:41 am:       


Aggipette:

Classic case of direct/indirect speech.

Direct : Goutham says, "Pavan is coming back on 18th August"

Indirect : Goutham said Pavan was/is coming back on 18th August.

Based on direct/indirect rules, we had to change present to past and past to past perfect. Based on that, "WAS" is correct. But since 18th August hasn't passed by yet, "IS" is correct as well. Both are correct w.r.to. grammar. But the latter is more appropriate in speaking.

It depends on what you want to convey. You better use "I talked to Satya, who confirmed that EMEA is now handled by Steve" since Steve is CURRENTLY managing EMEA.




I think this explanation is right. both the sentences are right. the one with "was" is formal.
 

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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2017 - 12:02 am:       

i was told by satya that emea has been handling by steve
i was told by satya that steve is now handling emea.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 07:23 pm:       


Platypus:

GMAT prep. The instructor told me that I should avoid being like plague. According to him, being is unnecessary in 99.99% of the sentences.




It's about subject and predicate and present continuous tense.

- John is handling that task
- that task is being handled by John.

Depends on how you want to structure. In your example, since Steve is presently handling emea, you would say 'is now handled by' if it was a recent change. if it was a change sometime in the past continuing into the present, 'is now being handled' .. makes sense. 'was now handled' is a colloquialism and a mistake.

btw, your instructor *was being* a dhak.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 07:08 pm:       


Platypus:




I don't see any syntax issues on both of your statements. It is the semantics how the listener interprets it. Since 'now' is adverb it would qualify corresponding verb. When you use "is now" the action is still in effect. I.e., Steve still handles EMBA. On the other hand "was now" refers to past event.

The first statement is past action talking about another past situation. Whereas the second one is past action talking about present situation.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 07:07 pm:       

Naaku telisindhi cheppalani vundhi ..endhuku medhavulu middle lo ani qitting ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:26 pm:       


Platypus:

Which version is correct? (Steve is currently managing EMEA but the conversation with Satya happened last week)

I talked to the Satya who confirmed that EMEA was now handled by Steve

I talked to the Satya who confirmed that EMEA is now handled by Steve




my 2 rupees

"Talked" badulu "spoke with" is better to use when communicating.

you could say "I spoke with satya, who confirmed that EMEA is now being handled by steve"
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 05:26 pm:       

Vaammo. Ayite tooch
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 05:24 pm:       

I talked to Satya. He confirmed that Boshanam is now being handled by Gootle Gurunatham
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 09:43 am:       

Amazing. :-) DB rocks.

I can express the same thing in a number of ways. My question was specifically around was vs is in the second part of the sentence. Steve is currently managing EMEA but that change happened quite recently. Satya (Nannu oggeyyandi. Not Nathella) clarified when I talked to him that Steve was/is now the EMEA lead.

Farmer and Rasputin - thanks for the help. Rest, thanks for the discussion.

I don't normally use BEING in any sentence - being the "perfectionist" that I am. It is an offshoot of my GMAT prep. The instructor told me that I should avoid being like plague. According to him, being is unnecessary in 99.99% of the sentences.

Time to dust up wren and martin I guess.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 08:33 am:       


Lenin:

passive form of passive present continuous in conjunction with past participle..




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eppudu ardham kaaledu ivi matram..

edo yes no alright tho nettukoncham anipisthundi ee rules anni choosthe
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 08:32 am:       


Platypus:


if you are just focusing on is vs. was, is is correct
01/06/2012 - 169.4; 8/1/2013 - 182; 9/23/2016 - 185.8
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 08:31 am:       


Farmer:




Makes sense..thanks:-)

Rajusk,

True - the kids are closer to grammar than we are

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 08:17 am:       

Evry1 is focused on coming up with correct sentence
No one is pointing that platy is having conversations with satya(CEO) and platy's range
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 08:17 am:       

I spoke to Satya who has confirmed that EMEA is now being handled by Steve.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 08:11 am:       

Classic case of direct/indirect speech.

Direct : Goutham says, "Pavan is coming back on 18th August"

Indirect : Goutham said Pavan was/is coming back on 18th August.

Based on direct/indirect rules, we had to change present to past and past to past perfect. Based on that, "WAS" is correct. But since 18th August hasn't passed by yet, "IS" is correct as well. Both are correct w.r.to. grammar. But the latter is more appropriate in speaking.

It depends on what you want to convey. You better use "I talked to Satya, who confirmed that EMEA is now handled by Steve" since Steve is CURRENTLY managing EMEA.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 07:56 am:       

Platy annai
engileesh raanandhuku ninnu UK nundi bayataki thosi dobbaali....chas...paruvu theesu dobbav...

by the way "is being" is my 2-pavalas
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 07:48 am:       


Lenin:

as u want to convey the present tense is now more apt or go for has been





Nihil:

I talked to the Satya who confirmed that EMEA has been handled by Steve




Nihil..why can't we use 'is now being handled' as it's the passive form of passive present continuous in conjunction with past participle..
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 07:23 am:       

Namasthe anna.. Ellarum soukzyama?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 07:21 am:       


Nihil:




Vanakkam saar Vaadu.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 07:21 am:       

Was now is more correct to indicate an event in the past

Thread initator has used 'was now' to convey a continuous thing and the start time of that action is unknown , it's not a past event

Cleverly mixing the scenarios and self justification is laughable.

'Was now' in this instance denotes immediate past
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 07:20 am:       


Anand_n:

My grammar/syntax has completely gone out of the window - flying by instinct and what looks right these days




Nene thop..nene turum type lo anukonevaadini..until my kid entered middle school

Now going by instincts
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 07:18 am:       

If an an action had started in the past and continuing in the present.. You should use present perfect.

I talked to the Satya who confirmed that EMEA has been handled by Steve
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 07:18 am:       


Farmer:

yes...the opening poster wanted to know specifically about those two sentences.....otherwise, there are hundred different ways to convey that message....i don't think he wants to hear all those....

.....and "was now" is used for specific turn/transition of events that happened at a particular point in the past....it is pretty much the only time "was now" is used......for example u can say...."Calcutta was the first capital of British India, and in 1911 the British decided that it was now time to relocate the capital to Delhi".....Delhi is still the capital, but the process of relocation has happened in the past and is not happening now.....hence, "was now" in that sentence would be appropriate....i

here, "is now" is appropriate




Daactar saab nailed it based on my 7th fail English naaledge
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:58 am:       


Anand_n:

Is 'now ' relevant to context ? As in, it is a recent transition ?Then I would say 'is now being' otherwise 'is being ' is good ..


yes...the opening poster wanted to know specifically about those two sentences.....otherwise, there are hundred different ways to convey that message....i don't think he wants to hear all those....

.....and "was now" is used for specific turn/transition of events that happened at a particular point in the past....it is pretty much the only time "was now" is used......for example u can say...."Calcutta was the first capital of British India, and in 1911 the British decided that it was now time to relocate the capital to Delhi".....Delhi is still the capital, but the process of relocation has happened in the past and is not happening now.....hence, "was now" in that sentence would be appropriate....i

here, "is now" is appropriate....
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:51 am:       


Anand_n:

Is 'now ' relevant to context ? As in, it is a recent transition ?Then I would say 'is now being' otherwise 'is being ' is good ..





My thoughts ejjactly.

If Steve is an interim manager for a short term, being applies.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:49 am:       


Platypus:





Second is correct. Being avasaram ledu.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:48 am:       


Anand_n:




Looks like u gave a skim to this thread

I said Maverick is correct as he used 'being' in the sentence
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:44 am:       


Anand_n:




II meant is now being only

Why would I even relate a past action to present tense with out using a continuous tense
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:39 am:       

Is 'now ' relevant to context ? As in, it is a recent transition ?Then I would say 'is now being' otherwise 'is being ' is good ..

My grammar/syntax has completely gone out of the window - flying by instinct and what looks right these days :-)

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:26 am:       

I talked with Satya who confirmed that EMEA is being handled by Steve


Guru kaadu bongu kaadu..naa GRE experience anthee.. I could be wrong
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:25 am:       


Lenin:


banda boothulu cheppi malli LOL okati....anyways, don't want to get into a discussion with you on English or lingustics.....last thing i want to do...no thanks...
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:23 am:       

Ilanti time lo had baga panikosthadhi..

Had a conversation with Satya last wk, he confirmed that Emea is now handled by Steve.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:21 am:       

@farmer Linguistics Lo maxim of conversation concept untadi, try to read it..no offence meant
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:15 am:       

@platy

Maverick is correct, spoke is more formal way of expressing a conversation

Talked is like the upper layer of it

Relative pronouns like who go well with speak
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:12 am:       


Farmer:




Lol
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:05 am:       


Lenin:


Talked to is used when there is no 'conversation' between the parties

Talked to is used when somebody's listening

Talked with would be more appropriate


wrong

Lenin:


Point 2

Was now is used to denote immediate past, and is incorrect in this context

Now and word Ki tense ledu, as u want to convey the present tense is now more apt or go for has been


wrong again
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:03 am:       

i spoke to satya last week and he confirmed that emea is being handled by steve
Happy Vizag
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 05:57 am:       

>>Now and word Ki tense ledu, as u want to convey the present tense is now more apt or go for has been

Could you please post the complete sentence?

I talked with Satya, who confirmed that EMEA is now handled by Steve.

Is this correct?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 05:48 am:       

I am not Guru , but lemme correct some thing

Talked to is used when there is no 'conversation' between the parties

Talked to is used when somebody's listening

Talked with would be more appropriate

Point 2

Was now is used to denote immediate past, and is incorrect in this context

Now and word Ki tense ledu, as u want to convey the present tense is now more apt or go for has been
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 05:46 am:       

>>"Now EMEA is being handled by Steve ,as confirmed by satya." or u can start - as confirmed by satya

I agree. However, I still would like to know how to handle the tense in the statement I posted. I run into this problem quite often where someone confirms something in the past that is true even now. So how does the sentence flow? Start with past tense and end with present tense? Goes squarely against my high school English lessons that tense should be constant throughout a sentence unless we are talking about universal truths (such as sun rising in the East)
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 05:42 am:       

"Now EMEA is being handled by Steve ,as confirmed by satya." or u can start - as confirmed by satya

just my 2 cents..but as we don't know bigger context of conversation, that could be wrong
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 05:33 am:       


Platypus:

I talked to Satya who confirmed that EMEA is now handled by Steve


not a "guru"...but my 2 cents...."was now" is used when you are narrating a story from the past....almost never used otherwise....
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 05:25 am:       

>>rendoo tappe

So what is the correct version?

>> I talked to the Satya who confirmed that EMEA being handled by Steve

is being/was being?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 05:23 am:       

I talked to the Satya who confirmed that EMEA being handled by Steve
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 05:23 am:       


Platypus:

I talked to the Satya who confirmed that EMEA was now handled by Steve

I talked to the Satya who confirmed that EMEA is now handled by Steve


rendoo tappe
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 05:22 am:       

If both are incorrect, please post the correct version.

There's an extra "the" in the sentence - Ignore that. I know for a fact it is incorrect.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 05:21 am:       

Which version is correct? (Steve is currently managing EMEA but the conversation with Satya happened last week)

I talked to the Satya who confirmed that EMEA was now handled by Steve

I talked to the Satya who confirmed that EMEA is now handled by Steve

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