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Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19805 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
i see your point, idhi base chesukoni unicorns and dragons existed ante chesedhi emundhi.. yes anatame 
i have read about this earlier... Humans until a few years back were lactose intolerant after they become adults. that as babies they had the capacity to consume lactose but once they turned adults, the enzyme that could digest lactose would turnoff. Apparently human Adults used cheese and yogurt rather than milk for a long time, and slowly humans became lactose tolerant. its believed that middle easterns first developed this ability to consume milk as adults. | ||
Bushu Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 13744 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 173.76.104.69 Rating: N/A |
unknown unknowns --> known unknowns | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19797 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
vunkl... we go by data so far collected kadha.. never have we encountered fossils a species that relied on wheels for locomotion. does not mean they did not exist, but there is no evidence to suggest that. In general many hypothesis about past species are built on bone structure,e environment related factors.
i think we are underestimating capabilities of a lot species, by only looking at species that can walk and fly. something like a snake needs to be always in contact with the ground. they are one of the most populous species on earth. snakes can slither through all kinds of terrains, so can rolling.  | ||
Jai_ycp Side Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 8669 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 100.36.224.18 Rating: N/A |
I subscribe to this. what we are seeing is refined versions of survivors. species has died thousands of times before the current generation. in 200 years, lot of species will die and future people would not know about them. the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ http://goo.gl/gn6XL5 the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu | ||
Bushu Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 13743 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 50.252.202.131 Rating: N/A |
you don't know that wheels like limbs did not happen for sure. definitely did not survive. given the early man's terrain, clearly a disadvantage and may not have survived. and now, not needed. kapisch. | ||
Vijayy Side Hero Username: Vijayy Post Number: 3092 Registered: 02-2014 Posted From: 24.130.133.52 Rating: N/A |
what about planets? | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 17851 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.195.209.205 Rating: N/A |
Lol - next step of evolution as shown in Wall- E stay put or roll around as moving anything , even fingers becomes unnecessary The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Gandhiguevara Legend Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 63637 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 67.191.221.7 Rating: N/A |
technology leni rojullo kanipettina janthuvulu... still functioning | ||
Asdf Megastar Username: Asdf Post Number: 28086 Registered: 12-2014 Posted From: 76.109.163.196 Rating: N/A |
that is how we roll | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 17850 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.195.209.205 Rating: N/A |
How about this - A wheel requires constant contact with the land - it cannot jump over hostile terrain ..legs help put temporary distance off the ground where needed - this is probably why tumbling on land is not a common method of mobility A wheel has less control to stop start and less grip You need limbs to climb up and down trees, hills And/or intelligent design was not intelligent enough to give wheel redundancy in mobility options The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Rebel Hero Username: Rebel Post Number: 15866 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.45.129.15 Rating: N/A |
we have tires at midiff | ||
Thikka_sankara Legend Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 32068 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 106.208.152.84 Rating: N/A |
yeahh..Even if evolution evolved a wheeling mechanism....it might not be how we currently see a wheel... Nature might have it's own design... methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY | ||
Bharateeyudu Side Hero Username: Bharateeyudu Post Number: 4746 Registered: 03-2016 Posted From: 117.195.234.244 Rating: N/A |
Very interesting thread...rough terrain lo wheels ki problem vasthundi...in fact it requires very complex mechanism to go over rocks and everything ..hence most animals(insects or reptiles) crawling chesthaayi...inka big animals aithe weight ekkuva kabatti asalu voohinchadam kashtam.. Haa..I think oka animal vundi kada...peru gurthu ledu ...which rolls on citing an enemy....of course technically its not wheel but something of that kind... But very interesting insight.. | ||
Thikka_sankara Legend Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 32065 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 106.208.152.84 Rating: N/A |
uncle, identifying what is edible and what is not in itself was a huge evolution.... Not just animals, there are enough plants which kill you if you eat them....many would have died trying and their community would have learnt from them passing the knowledge down the generations.... methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY | ||
Platypus Side Hero Username: Platypus Post Number: 6379 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.220.196.75 Rating: N/A |
Again, he knows it is an egg and that it is going to become a living thing. He knows it is not excreta. Man is carnivorous anyway. So eating that thing is not that far fetched. | ||
Savyasachi Comedian Username: Savyasachi Post Number: 1755 Registered: 12-2013 Posted From: 98.192.131.235 Rating: N/A |
then answer this Who was the first person to say, 'See that chicken there... I'm gonna eat the next thing that comes outta its bum.' | ||
Platypus Side Hero Username: Platypus Post Number: 6378 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.220.196.75 Rating: N/A |
It is not that outrageous if you think about it. Man watches the calf drink milk from those dangly things. So he knows it is food. | ||
Savyasachi Comedian Username: Savyasachi Post Number: 1754 Registered: 12-2013 Posted From: 98.192.131.235 Rating: N/A |
now that i am reading this thed. i got another idea Who was the first person to look at a cow and say, "I think I'll squeeze these dangly things here, and drink whatever comes out"? | ||
Platypus Side Hero Username: Platypus Post Number: 6376 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.220.196.75 Rating: N/A |
Aalochimpajese yeh thread ayina useless kaadhu. Thanks for the post. Ee angle lo eppudu think cheyyaledhu. Evolution ki wheel is too complicated annadhi manchi point. | ||
Asdf Megastar Username: Asdf Post Number: 28080 Registered: 12-2014 Posted From: 76.109.163.196 Rating: N/A |
cool. was not aware of that. giraffe or zebra gurthu ledu, drought vunapudu meat tintaayi anukunta like a scavenger | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19796 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
my response was response to this. ensuring the survival of species anedhaaniki... | ||
Thikka_sankara Legend Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 32064 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 182.65.213.195 Rating: N/A |
uncle, you understand that evolution works at 100s of thousands of years level right?? Living conditions vary too much over such spans necessitating evolution of newer species methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19795 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
Nenu eppudoo chadivindhi eti ante... they may have started because longer necks have an advantage in reaching otherwise unreachalbe trees, but it seems male giraffes with longer necks have more chance of win in a fight with giraffess with shorter necks, when fighting for food or mainly females, and females are attracted to males with longer necks.. so longer necks had more offsprings which meant offsprings had longer necks.. and within the offsprings the longer necks had more chance to have more offsprings... | ||
Vishvak Side Hero Username: Vishvak Post Number: 5829 Registered: 01-2007 Posted From: 73.164.13.25 Rating: N/A |
Why no biryani in nature ante emi cheptam... My take is because it is not needed as seen by Mother Nature... Nature do not expect you to travel long distances... From my knowledge only species that travel long distances are birds and they got wings... Vi veri universum vivus vici My Blog: The Power Of One | ||
Asdf Megastar Username: Asdf Post Number: 28079 Registered: 12-2014 Posted From: 76.109.163.196 Rating: N/A |
i think drought time lo sinna sithaka setlu migalledu. so it had only that option. --guess | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19793 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
question ki emi undhi vunkl... question everything ani budhudu saar cheppaar ani follow avuthunnaan | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19792 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
giraffe ki high branches leaves ye ishtama vunkl.. jungle chinna chetlu kooda unaayi kadha... was it not able to survive on them? | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19791 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
i think your view is simplistic. Think about this, if evolution works at a single species level, why would new species be evolved? if we consider varied species with common ancestors, we see that each species involved to overcome specific challenge in nature. Im not saying survival is not a factor, it seems to be the most important factor for any living being, but evolution is not something that happens consciously. life is reacting to natural challenges and adjusting itself. hippos are the closest living relative a whale.. both living in entirely different habitats, both surviving. | ||
Masularex Side Hero Username: Masularex Post Number: 6539 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 223.182.101.27 Rating: N/A |
iyanadem poyindi... g lo turbains kuda pettistadu... evanna question anta idi ? | ||
Asdf Megastar Username: Asdf Post Number: 28076 Registered: 12-2014 Posted From: 76.109.163.196 Rating: N/A |
evolution lo adi kastam kada. for ejjample, giraffe tried to reach higher branches. ala daani neck peddadi ayindi. so, similar need like sliding for everything latidi vunte vastadi emo? | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19789 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
vunkl, you are thinking only big animals again. mullu raalla impact leni species chala unnaayi.. and numb animals kooda chala unnayi... pedhayana does not care for our well being ani i feel.. he may have created, but our well being many not be his concern | ||
Asdf Megastar Username: Asdf Post Number: 28074 Registered: 12-2014 Posted From: 76.109.163.196 Rating: N/A |
rakul seat aa? | ||
Thikka_sankara Legend Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 32063 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 27.62.2.215 Rating: N/A |
my understanding is, evolution primarily focuses on ensuring a species survives and progresses ....It's busy ensuring that and on the way tries to provide what is necessary for that.... If that's not what evolution does, then my understanding of it is wrong methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY | ||
Ipc302 Moderator Username: Ipc302 Post Number: 24403 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
even two or four wheels dont give the animal grip...a greater flats surface will be more useful compared to the least surface area of a wheel...grip and all are more of afeature with flat surfaces that animals twist or add hair like structures to be more effective...think of gecko, lizard ...a semi or circular structure is not useful....stability on wheels yes.... | ||
Legend Username: Twitter Post Number: 51624 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 136.56.39.203 Rating: N/A |
look at the solar system it is all wheels without axle , manaki wheels pedithe axle lekunda laaginche vaadu kaani maintainance issues chaala undevi , eg. bone round ga undali koddhiga thedaga puttina useless, adhey limb aithe koddhiga bend unna chalega .. paiga mullu raallu thagilithe pain lekunda numb cheyyali , rubber or iron lanti sheild undali tyre laga..architecture wise jujubi for him kani manam maintain cheskolem ani eesariki ala limbs tho saripettesadu | ||
Chanakya Side Hero Username: Chanakya Post Number: 5147 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 115.248.37.69 Rating: N/A |
Bench istaru No one is going to tell you the truth. They’re only going to tell you their version! ~Julian Assange | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19788 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
like i have mentioned earlier.. survival of the fittest ane phrase theesukoni ila antaaru kaani, there is no proof for it. No one knows if survival is the only key for evolution. | ||
Sesani Legend Username: Sesani Post Number: 51523 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 69.114.184.2 Rating: N/A |
Tires are made of rubber which isnt good for nature... anduke no wheels.. Seat icchestaara | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19787 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
vunkl, any details on why you think evolution happens only for survival? | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19786 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
pedhaayana, manam manage chesinantha kooda cheyaleka poyaad antaara.. we are succesfully using wheels everywhere , yes even on rough terrains, and those objects with wheels are functioning better than all the animals created by pedhaayana .. mars ki pampina rovers koods wheels meedhane thiruguthunnaayi ... | ||
Thikka_sankara Legend Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 32062 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 27.62.2.215 Rating: N/A |
exactly....and not just that.... Even if travelling at far higher speeds is necessity, evolution just gave those the ability to fly.... Then why wheels which come with additional baggage ?? Even humans will ditch wheels once flight becomes affordable in almost all scenarios to almost all humans methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19785 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
again, visualizing a single limb? how many animals walk on single limb vunkl? grip again depends on the individual species does it not? agree the about brake.
yes, we have more complicated mechanisms in place and thats exactly begs the question. does it not. we have evolved something like an eye, which is very complicated on the way it functions. but eyes, have evolved over time, and each stage of evolution it was functional enough for species to use them. while in the case of something like a wheel, there are no stages for it to be functional. | ||
Thikka_sankara Legend Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 32061 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 27.62.2.215 Rating: N/A |
because they didn't know how to fly?? methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY | ||
Chanakya Side Hero Username: Chanakya Post Number: 5146 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 115.248.37.69 Rating: N/A |
Species evolve when there is "survival necessity" wheels do not come under it, we can say wheels are luxury but not necessity! No one is going to tell you the truth. They’re only going to tell you their version! ~Julian Assange | ||
Legend Username: Twitter Post Number: 51623 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 136.56.39.203 Rating: N/A |
no need to buy vunkl its free anyway ayana ivvakapothe enti mem skates konukkunnam ee madhye hoover board kanipettukunnam ..still balance is an issue ..i think peddhayana ee balance vishayam dhristilo pettukoni no wheels anukoni untadu. | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19784 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
vunkl... why did humans create wheels? its a far more superior way to move. even in robotics, wheels are the second best option next to spider legs although with six legs.
survival yes, but i feel that is not the only criteria. its a question we will probably not know the answer for a long time. Animals moves from waters to land, but then some of them returned back to water. something like a whale which is surving in the deep oceans, is traced back to walking mammals. what was the need when walking animals are still surviving? anyway my point is about why wheel could not have been a possible limb in the vast variety of limbs in nature. | ||
Ipc302 Moderator Username: Ipc302 Post Number: 24402 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
comaperd to limbs, wheels do not have more surface area, better balancing, grip on the surface...stop and slow down motion is very hard..probably you would need an extra appendage to function as a brake | ||
Thikka_sankara Legend Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 32059 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 27.62.2.215 Rating: N/A |
that was my response to the below bit alone just saying, we already have almost similar if not more complex mechanism in place.... Hanging spheres still connected to the body....so, the axis mechanism must not be overtly unachievable methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY | ||
Thikka_sankara Legend Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 32058 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 27.62.2.215 Rating: N/A |
when you have flight, why do you need to roll?? Those that didn't need the flight probably didn't need wheels as well as their necessity for travel is different?? Anyway, evolution works only in matters of survival ani naa opinion...everything else is acquired or learnt skill... Neninthe movie lo dialogue untundi.... Tuduchukunte pothundi anukunte 100 ki 99 saarlu tuduchukodaniki ready Ade nene Pothanu anukunte appudu evolution kick in ayyi overcome avthundi.... Idi my opinion methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19781 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
i dont buy the argument vunkl... that nature is not smooth, alot of terrain is smooth, not all animals are built for all terrain. but i agree that there may have never been a need for animal to cover vast distances in relatively faster speeds on terrain to survive. | ||
Legend Username: Twitter Post Number: 51621 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 136.56.39.203 Rating: N/A |
I too get this doubt, my take is Wheels move avvalante smooth surface kaavali ,nature lo alantidhi ledhu human being evolve ayyaka roads lantivi cheskunnadu locomotion kosam. Oka vela roads or something like road was part of nature ayyunte manam wheels tho evolve ayyevaallamemo..ante God wheels petti puttinche vademo. | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19780 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
ardham kaledhi vunkl.. im not saying spheres are complicated to build by nature, im just saying the sphere need to be built fully for it to be functional and cannot be in stages.
are you imagining larger animals when you say this. imagine an animal that can fly like a bee and roll like a little car, something like a cockroach or a rodent | ||
Whyme Megastar Username: Whyme Post Number: 21290 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 172.73.186.98 Rating: N/A |
Good one | ||
Thikka_sankara Legend Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 32057 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 27.62.2.215 Rating: N/A |
Eyes??? Hanging elleptical spheres?? Bolls?? Hanging spheres??? Anyway, in my eyes , wheels are not necessary for the early primitives .... Roads were developed much later... And to navigate terrain like forests or mountains etc etc, wheels are useless....
methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19779 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
ofcourse assuming we are biproducts of evolution or the reason could be God works in mysterious ways. | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 19778 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: |
Last night talking to my son about cars and wheels, and locomotion in general and in nature - was asking him questions like How many wheels does a aeroplane have? how many wheels does dad's car have? How many legs does bella have? How many legs does dad have? How many legs does a bird have? How many legs does a turtle have? what does the bird use for flying? what does the bird use for walking? does fish have legs? then it occurred to me why no species has wheels for locomotion, a design that is supremely more efficient in covering long distances at good page. I know there are animals that curl up in to a ball and role, but not an animal that has wheels for moving. as usual, useless questions meedha time spend cheyatam oka hobby.. turns out alot of folks had this question on mind. It turns out Wheels are very sophisticated and need an advanced engineering capability to get it right. a wheel cannot be built in stages, which is the nature of evolution, each part evolves in stages, and each stage has its own functioning use. no animal would not have gained any use out of non-rotating rudimentary wheel, such an organ would have never developed. Adding to it the complexity of axle that pretty much leaves a rotating organ that is connected but not connected to rest of the body vessels, is even difficult to imagine. another useless thread |
