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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 08:09 am:       


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Ntpc utilization also effected.. many Ap thermal plants not operating incl meenakshi, simhapuri and some part of sembcorp
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 08:06 am:       


Uno:



Practically Thermal can operate at plf of 85%-90%
Solar at 20%

But actual performance is below par across country..due to low demand
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 07:46 am:       


Theaviator:

Thermal capacity PLFs at 59%




Yes,it may be all India average .But NTPC plants and many of AP/TS plants have high plf between 75 to 93%

But solar has around 11 to 35% max (considering max 10 hrs of sunlight day and negligible output on cloudy days where as thermal power stations can literally produce power 24/7x365)
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 07:39 am:       


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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/PLF-of-thermal -power-plants-at-subdued-level-ICRA/articleshow/54699996.cms
Thermal capacity PLFs at 59%
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 07:31 am:       


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CEA's national electricity plan for next 10 years.. they estimate no further coal capacity requirement and falling of existing coal capacity utilization to 60%..



avi projections..But reality lo ithey theda undi kadaa..
2015-16 CIL 8.5% growth + oveerall 9.5% anukuntaa
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/indl-goods/svs/ metals-mining/coal-india-records-10-per-cent-production-grow th-in-june-2016/articleshow/53010997.cms


http://www.livemint.com/Industry/X3fOGm3EMrp7X6vqbjO7OM/Coal -India-achieves-536-million-tonnes-output-in-fiscal-2016.htm l

2014-16 baaney growth undi reality lo..
See the graphs
https://www.eia.gov/conference/2016/pdf/presentations/roycho udhury.pdf

But meeru cheppinattu future lo pedda growth undakapovachu consumption lo. Kaani ippatlo consumption decline avuddi ani maatram anukonu.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 07:29 am:       


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consumption lekpovatam valla, coal availability is high



This is like a sweet headache. Since when these states (MP/MH/Guj/Punjab/Haryana) generating more electricity ? second question is that we hear lot of complaints (from farmers people living in rural areas) with in our states especially T that there is no electricty for them to support their crops/small scale industries.....so, since when are we talking about this excessive power?
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 07:17 am:       


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CEA's national electricity plan for next 10 years.. they estimate no further coal capacity requirement and falling of existing coal capacity utilization to 60%..

http://www.cea.nic.in/reports/committee/nep/nep_dec.pdf

means, Cong had bluffed the entire country before..
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 07:14 am:       


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Coal consumption had dropped due to non-utilization of Coal/Thermal capacity..



This is really a surprise. Edina link untey pettandi..
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 07:07 am:       


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Nenu cheppina point Thermal power gurinchi , UPA hayam lo there was major shortage of Coal due to various blockades and ongoing scams.
NDA chesina first manchi step is to merge Coal & Power into single ministry
And taruvaata Piyush goyal ..anni hurdles clear chesi almost Coal production anni powerplants ki saripoyelaa chesaadu... Ofcourse there some companies like adani still import good quality coal from other countries



you may not know.. Coal consumption had dropped due to non-utilization of Coal/Thermal capacity..

PLFs of coal capacity had come down to 65% or less in last 2 years due to poor demand and discoms bad financial health.. where as Coal India's production had not increased..

Govt. peddaga chesindi emi ledu.. ee vishayam lo.. consumption lekpovatam valla, coal availability is high
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 07:03 am:       


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true... UPA time lo, thermal/gas based power plants installation was as per plan @ 15-16% growth per annum. not much progress on solar power, even though enough traction is given, due to high cost. UPA-2 is marred by shortage of gas and coal extraction.
eventually, solar power installation costs came down & this regime is going great guns on solar power.
thanks to new coal policy, no shortage of coal for existing power plants...
TDP accepts that YSR govt irrigated 19lac acres in seemandhra,

in 1991, AP debt is 22% of GSDP, in 2004 its 34% of GSDP, in 2014 its 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 06:31 am:       


Theaviator:

mari Piyush goyal enti, Cbn lekapothe country lo intha fast ga solar parks vachevi kadhu annadu media lo



Nenu cheppina point Thermal power gurinchi , UPA hayam lo there was major shortage of Coal due to various blockades and ongoing scams.
NDA chesina first manchi step is to merge Coal & Power into single ministry
And taruvaata Piyush goyal ..anni hurdles clear chesi almost Coal production anni powerplants ki saripoyelaa chesaadu... Ofcourse there some companies like adani still import good quality coal from other countries
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 06:26 am:       


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fyi.. Solar capacity addition in AP/TS




nenu cheppindi adey..Solar plants mottam kottavey ani..
TG vi / AP coal based plants chaala varaku cong hayam lo start ayinavey kadaa including krishnapatnam & Kakatiya (KTPS phase 3)Bhupalapally.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 06:18 am:       


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of course congi hayam lo sanction ayinave max)




vuncle news chadavaleda.... country reached 10 gw...added 7gw in last 2.5 years ani...???? give PM where it is due..
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 05:42 am:       


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Individual states kantey Piyush goyal di ekkuva hand undi..



mari Piyush goyal enti, Cbn lekapothe country lo intha fast ga solar parks vachevi kadhu annadu media lo
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 05:39 am:       


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fyi.. Solar capacity addition in AP/TS

AP/ TS lo cong govt lo vachina bids.. 225MW (till April 2013 bids)-executed below 150MW

Post bifurcation..
AP: Oct.2014 to Till date 1,900MW bidded, 1,000MW NTPC-APGENCO own [almost 2,500mw is near operational]
TS: 2014 to till date 2,900MW bidded [almost 2,000mw is near operational]
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 05:30 am:       


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Solar plants anni mottam kothavey kadaa.. TG and AP lo chaala plants last 2-3 years lo production ki vellayi kadaa.. (of course congi hayam lo sanction ayinave max)
Individual states kantey Piyush goyal di ekkuva hand undi.. Anni plants ki coal issues lekundaa chesaadu.



 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 05:00 am:       

Metro start ithe dhaniki entha consumption untadhi?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 04:34 am:       


Kadapanagfan:

okka unit power produce cheysara yeee 3 years lo both states?



Solar plants anni mottam kothavey kadaa.. TG and AP lo chaala plants last 2-3 years lo production ki vellayi kadaa.. (of course congi hayam lo sanction ayinave max)
Individual states kantey Piyush goyal di ekkuva hand undi.. Anni plants ki coal issues lekundaa chesaadu.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 04:31 am:       


Rangoon:

ee solar plants anedhi pedda booka anukunta. investors are getting free land, tax subsidy as well as money for supplying power.



Alaantidi emi ledu.. I know few people who tried to get into this business..
Individuals/household ki subsidies unnai. Companies ki naaku telsi emi levu.
Land general valley procure chesukovali.. AP lo maatram ATP lo laready pool chesi pettaru anukuntaa.. but almost market price pay chesi land konukkovali anukuntaa.

BTW Biggest sucker of Taxpayer/subsidy money is Tesla :-) Subsidy meeda 60 Billion company build chesadu :D
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 04:17 am:       

okka unit power produce cheysara yeee 3 years lo both states?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 04:16 am:       

ee solar plants anedhi pedda booka anukunta. investors are getting free land, tax subsidy as well as money for supplying power.

manamemo aha oho anukuntunnamu.

It wont even generate any significant employment
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 04:07 am:       


Chanakya:

TG nijanga surplus aa?



Next 3 years lo surplus ani prediction ..Not now
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 04:04 am:       


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Power cuts gurinchi worry avvudu is so past for us. ;)



not sure abt interiro KA.. but, bangalore and gulbarga has no load shedding as of now...
TDP accepts that YSR govt irrigated 19lac acres in seemandhra,

in 1991, AP debt is 22% of GSDP, in 2004 its 34% of GSDP, in 2014 its 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 03:59 am:       


Boston_baba:

KA can get power at very competetive pric


they're not buying kada anthaa competitive pricing vunna. Power cuts gurinchi worry avvudu is so past for us. ;)
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 03:48 am:       


Reddit:

ka




TG/KA/MH/CG anni surplus lo unte, konedi evadu.. KA can get power at very competetive price... and we worry abt other bigger problems :-)
TDP accepts that YSR govt irrigated 19lac acres in seemandhra,

in 1991, AP debt is 22% of GSDP, in 2004 its 34% of GSDP, in 2014 its 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 03:41 am:       


Awesomedber:

As per prediction.. Coal & Solar might cost same in few years.



But Solar would be awesome kada...clean energy with out any emissions
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 03:35 am:       


Chanakya:

btw ee Solar parks pettukune vallu inka takkuvaki ammalsi ostadi ga Govt unless they sell to commercial entities




Already ippudu 4.34 ki padindi rajasthan lo..AP/TG lo kudaa konni rojullo below 5ki vastademo..
As per prediction.. Coal & Solar might cost same in few years.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 03:31 am:       

Kikiki..

Division appudu edo pedda saaku kinda chepparu..ippudemo 2-3 years surplus aney situation ki vachindi kadaa....
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 02:38 am:       

TG nijanga surplus aa?


btw ee Solar parks pettukune vallu inka takkuvaki ammalsi ostadi ga Govt unless they sell to commercial entities
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 02:29 am:       

Where is kikure and his fans?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 02:18 am:       


Boston_baba:


ka
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2017 - 02:09 am:       

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/telangana/telangana-ap -face-problem-of-plenty-in-power-sector/article17898216.ece

from now on, its important to clinch PPA deals at lower prices, to take advantage of surplus situation.

The report elaborating on the experiences of power surplus States, including Gujarat, Maharashtra, Punjab, Madhya Pradesh and Haryana, said A.P. and Telangana only have marginal surplus capacity which can be managed in the current context. But with the large scale capacity addition planned and anticipated drop in the future demand, the surplus could become as significant as in the case of Gujarat or Maharashtra.
TDP accepts that YSR govt irrigated 19lac acres in seemandhra,

in 1991, AP debt is 22% of GSDP, in 2004 its 34% of GSDP, in 2014 its 22% of GSDP.

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