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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 07:05 pm:       


Saarang:

Naaku 8 hrs kante takkuva sleep ante i dont like it...6 kante takkuva ante inka restless ga untadhi...eppudanna 3 months ki oka saari 1 or 2 days mange cheyyagalanu...antha kante kastam.


if i sleep more than 6 hrs i dont feel good, ideal for me is 5-6 kani utilize cheskodam ledu aa clock ni kavali ane 8 hrs sleep
sachipotava , avineethi ga batukutava okkate option ante alochinchakunda chachipotaa ane type cbn - OT
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 07:03 pm:       


Saint:

8 hours sleep esthene inka edo miss ina feeling vuntadi...kontha mnadi 4-5 horus tho saripedatharu...I know one woman who is in sr executive position, sleeps only 2-3 hours per day....




Naaku 8 hrs kante takkuva sleep ante i dont like it...6 kante takkuva ante inka restless ga untadhi...eppudanna 3 months ki oka saari 1 or 2 days mange cheyyagalanu...antha kante kastam.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 07:01 pm:       


Saint:

kontha mnadi 4-5 horus tho saripedatharu...


if we dont care about repercusssions we can do that...pani ee daivam....anukuni mundhuki poyi anni marsipovali ante daniki oka chittashuddi, dedication,neglect of orleast disregard of family time etc kavali

manaki ante adhe le naku DB mandhu lenidi day gadavadhu aaye inka ela think about this
sachipotava , avineethi ga batukutava okkate option ante alochinchakunda chachipotaa ane type cbn - OT
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:58 pm:       


Maverick:




Well its your opinion.. and every being is entitled to having an opinion....

I asked Subba rao the other day and he said every dick he met at Google was a whore....I was puzzled and asked him the next day to clarify....... Then he cleared my doubt ... declaring himself a hetero sexual who has feelings for clever men ..........
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:53 pm:       


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Saarang:

aite doctors are lying to us. ee sari doctor 8 hours sleep ante nenu




May be some people are wired differently...inko person..she used to be a professor at Harvard, Microsoft's chief economist and a partner at Keystone consulting firm at the same time. I worked on a few projects with her...iddaru young kids and was expecting third. Aa time lo kooda she would respond to every email. Konni projects she used to give 15 page feedback. Intha time ekkadhi ante...flight lo khaali ga unna ani cheppedhi. Konni sarlu edanna stats coding help kavalani ani internal groups ki mail cheste...nenu help chesta ani reply vaachedhi. East coast time, west coast time ani ledhu all times working.

1995 New York times article about her right after she completed PhD from Stanford at 24.

She's only 24, but everybody in the world of economics already knows her. About two dozen universities -- Berkeley, Harvard, M.I.T., Princeton, Stanford and Yale among them -- sought her as a junior member of their faculties. They called her one of the most promising candidates in several years. "We fought really hard to get her," said Bengt Holmstrom at M.I.T., where she ultimately accepted a job. "I've rarely seen somebody about whom there was as much unanimity."

"This," said one of her thesis advisers at Stanford, John Roberts, "is Superwoman."

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/21/business/top-draft-pick-ec onomics-professor-be-coveted-two-dozen-universities.html?pag ewanted=all

"On the basis of what she's already done," said Avinash Dixit, a trade theorist at Princeton University, "I'd say she's definitely got the potential to be a real star, in the race for a Clark winner, something like that." The Clark Medal is awarded to the most accomplished economist nearing 40 and is the most distinguished prize short of a Nobel.

Aa article people said she will be very famous..as it is jarigindhi...she got tenured at MIT in 2 years, became the first women economist to win Clark Medal. Ippudu every Clark Medal winner after a certain age went on win Nobel prize. Ilaanti vallu they don't have time for 6 hour or 8 sleep.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:43 pm:       


Saarang:

last 30 years nundi only 3-4 hours sleep still energetic and extremely productive all day...see comments from Linkedin CEO Jeff Weiner in the article.




8 hours sleep esthene inka edo miss ina feeling vuntadi...kontha mnadi 4-5 horus tho saripedatharu...I know one woman who is in sr executive position, sleeps only 2-3 hours per day....
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:32 pm:       


Saarang:


aite doctors are lying to us. ee sari doctor 8 hours sleep ante nenu
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:29 pm:       


Andhravodu:

this guy is lying




Lying kastam rey...he used to head one of the largest organizations at Microsoft used to cover Bing, MSN, ad platforms, skype, yammer and all office products (used to be Satya's boss)...every product ki detailed architecture knowledge undedhi and weekly reviews with engineering teams...every day morning 5 or 6 kaalla he will be in office and will be online till 12. Illanti vallani kontha mandini choosa.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:25 pm:       

Rising fake resume ok..Though I oppose given today's pace of changing tech one ends up doing to get into it..Atleast they clear the interview and honest there..Problem is with proxy interview fellas..Uppu patara esina Tappu ledu
Happy Vizag
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:23 pm:       


Saarang:

last 30 years nundi only 3-4 hours sleep still energetic and extremely productive all day


something's missing. regular people adi cheste first doctors dobbutaru. Either doctors are wrong and high blood pressure, weight gain is not related to sleep or this guy is lying
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:21 pm:       

I too have a similar story. Overnight flied to west coast, interviewed 6 hours and left evening, next day back at work
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:21 pm:       

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/technology/internet/31sear ch.html

Microsoft lo oka division head undevaadu (now Baidu's CTO)...last 30 years nundi only 3-4 hours sleep still energetic and extremely productive all day...see comments from Linkedin CEO Jeff Weiner in the article.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:18 pm:       


Maverick:

I think a prostitute can also take pride in her job comparing with those peoplr




resume loo exp loo ila edho oka issue lo manam kooda fake chesinavallamee kadha?
CNKV
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:16 pm:       


Meghan:


it's not Abt faking resume..That's pardonable up given the situation.. If one does Fake proxy interviews and get into a job..I think a prostitute can also take pride in her job comparing with those peoplr
Happy Vizag
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:13 pm:       

Kontha mandi stamina and level of brain functioning levels for long hours under stress keka.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:06 pm:       

Oho atla anipinchinda....
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:00 pm:       

The title software engineer has been ridiculed thanks to some who enter this industry with fake proxy interview s

For all the rest who believe what u do and take pride in it..Read on..


http://markcunningham91.blogspot.com/2017/03/a-phd-computer- science-graduates-brutal.html

We talk about toughness and endurance. The willingness to overcome obstacles and the ability to fight through adversity and come out on the other side. I truly think this is one of those stories. This story is about a PhD graduate who flew from California to New York City the day before a 9 hour onsite that involved 4 one hour white board problems and another 3 hours of live coding with arguably some of the most brilliant software engineers in the United States.

And he did it on no sleep.

I have a client in NYC that is a hedge fund and they are truly a special and amazing company. They have one of the lowest attrition rates among any company and they know how to take care of their employees. Yes, the pay them well but they also have created a great working environment where you are always put on challenging problems with brilliant co-workers. They hire experienced industry software engineers as well as fresh out graduates. However, in the case of college graduates, the majority of the time this requires having a PhD in Computer Science.

In addition to the theoretical mastery of Computer Science fundamentals, they want expert coding skills. The interview process is the following:

Introductory phone call
Code Test
Technical Phone Interview
Onsite

For the onsite, you are flown in the night before and you stay at a nice hotel. The next morning, you wake up and walk to their offices and you do the interview which can last up to 9 hours. I will talk more about this process later in the story but for now, allow me to discuss the candidate.

Let's call him Hong. Very nice guy, 1st generation American from China who got his undergraduate degrees in Computer Science from Tsinghua and then pursued his PhD at a prestigious university in California. I can't say the university by name but among these three, he went to one of them:

Cal-Berkeley
California Institute of Technology
Stanford

He was set to graduate in 6 months so he had started his interview process and in doing so, I presented my client to him. He was weighing the option of either staying in the Valley and considering opportunities from Facebook and Google or giving Wall Street a shot as a Developer in the Financial Services industry.

The role I offered him was to be a Research Engineering SW Developer. What this means is that you would work in small teams to conceive and deliver very complex solutions from start to finish that have huge impacts on the company's bottom line. Quite simply, you are put on very important projects from the start. While positions at places like Microsoft and Google offer much more on the research side, there is plenty of opportunity for PhD graduates to utilize their research background while at the same time doing a lot of software development (in Java). Similar to Google, you are not interviewed for a specific role but rather, for your Computer Science prowess. And should you pass the interview process, this company will present several groups and teams where they feel you would be a match and then you make your decision. It's really neat and in my career as a recruiter, I have to say it's one of the most fascinating (and challenging) interview processes I've seen.

Hong wanted to speak with them and I arranged the interviews. He blew right through all of them. The code test was "fun" and the technical phone interview (which eliminates 90% of the candidates) was a pleasant conversation with a few "puzzle questions" but nothing really challenging. The next step was the onsite interview and I was really excited about this. It was scheduled for a Friday which meant Hong would be flying out that Thursday.

Hong's Travel Schedule
Coming from California, I was a little concerned about the long travel schedule that Hong faced but he assured he would be okay. His flight left San Francisco at 12 noon Pacific time and with the connection in Chicago, he was planning on being in his hotel, showered and asleep by 1am. To me, this was cutting it a bit short and meant the itinerary would have to go with no delays whatsoever. Given how rigorous the interview schedule is, I advise the candidates to get a good night's sleep and have a nice breakfast to prepare for this onsite. In Hong's case, it looked like he would be getting about 4-5 hours sleep. This concerned me.

Hong's flight departed on time but upon arriving in Chicago, he was informed that there was inclement weather in the New York/New Jersey area and that his flight was delayed. Other than that, there weren't any other details. Unsure what to do, Hong sat and waited and then sent me an email that said the following,

I don't know when the flight will leave. Maybe will be another 2-3 hours before I leave? Should we cancel the interview?

I messaged my client and shared the update. They were concerned and they supported whatever Hong wanted to do. The only problem was that Hong did have some other deadlines coming up on offers and he would not have the availability to cancel this interview and then fly back out. Also, for my client, if is very difficult to schedule a 9 hour onsite and usually takes about 1-2 weeks in advance to put together the interview schedule. We waited for about another hour and then Hong came back to me with the following,

Mark, I want to do this. This will be difficult but I can sleep some on the plane. Sleep will be okay. Please tell ***** that I will be there for the interview.

I honestly can't tell you if I was happy about this or not but a decision had been made to go onward with this interview. After several hours of being in Chicago, Hong's flight departed just before 1am and he was scheduled to touch down at Newark around 4am. He took a cab to his hotel where he took a shower and watched some TV. He said that there was not enough time to take a nap. He was scheduled to be at my client at 8:30am. He rested a little and then left for the interview.

My Client's Onsite Interview Schedule
It's very difficult. It's not rude or unpleasant at all. Everyone is very polite. However, it is very demanding and candidates must be at their very best. They measure several different variables and I have listed them below,

1. Computer Science fundamentals
2. Problem solving ability
3. Solutions that have a "pop" to them. Something that impresses another software engineer.
4. Focus and execution under pressure.

In this onsite, you might be given a laptop and while you are solving the problem, the interviewer is right next to you, watching you code and walking through each step with you. If you aren't live coding, you are on the white board and you cover a lot of topics. You are asked to solve a very difficult problem and then solve it again with a different set of variables and parameters. You do this for 3 hours and then you go to lunch with a group. That afternoon you go back in for more interviews.

The process is designed to measure your engineering ability but also measure your composure and mental stamina, the ability to lock in on problems and execute in a high intensity environment for a long period of time. Out of courtesy to the candidate and company, the interview process is evaluated at the lunch period and if the company doesn't feel like moving forward, the interview is ended at that time. The candidate has a nice meal and makes their way back to the airport and flies home. It is all done with the utmost professionalism and respect. But to be clear, the interview is terminated.

In my eyes, you basically face a group of All-Stars. If this were an NFL tryout, as an athlete you would be going up against Richard Sherman, Demarcus Ware, JJ Watt and any NFL Pro Bowler out there. You can imagine these guys are very nice and respectful but let's not kid ourselves, they are going to test you and see what you are made of.

Hong's Arrival for the Onsite
The first thing I did that morning was notify my client of what happened with Hong's travel. They felt horrible and yes, they were concerned. I notified them that Hong would be showing up basically with no sleep the night before to do this interview. Nonetheless, they greeted him at the door and led him to the conference room. The interviews proceeded and over the course of the next 3 hours, I stood by waiting to see if Hong was going to make it to the afternoon interview or if he would be asked to go home. During this time, I simply thought about the mental stamina and energy levels he was functioning at. True, he had some amazing software engineering prowess and yes, adrenalin was in full effect right now too. My thought was that he was doing well and about 11am Central time, my client notified me that Hong was moving forward in the process and was going out to lunch with the team! I was like "Whoa, what a badass"...

You don't really get a break at lunch. Remember, you are now being evaluated for culture and personality. To me, it would seem uncomfortable to be with 3 other people that you have never met before and have lunch for an hour and talk about what you like to do in your off time. But at least it is a break from a very challenging and rigorous 3 hour start to his day.

Knowing that Hong made it through to the afternoon, I went about my work and for my own sake, I stopped thinking about his interview and simply hoped that I could connect with Hong when he was going to the airport. Just before 5pm Central time, that is exactly what happened. He called me and our conversation is pasted below,

Hong:
Hey Mark, I finished the interview. Overall I think it went well but I wish I did better in the afternoon. I did start to get tired and it was a little difficult to keep focus. But I liked them a lot and they are very nice. I hope to get an offer from them.
Me: Hong, did you meet with HR on the way out? Did a recruiter talk with you?
Hong: No, I did not. I finished the last interview at 5:30pm and the interviewer walked me out.
Me: Okay, thank you Hong. I will get feedback for you.

My heart sank. I knew right then they were passing on Hong. The interview ended 30 minutes early because for all successful onsite interviews, my client makes sure that a recruiter gets the final 30 minutes to discus the candidate's thoughts on the company and discuss what other opportunities they are looking at. They didn't do this with Hong so when I checked in the next day, over email, I got the following reply,

Mark, please thank Hong for coming in to meet with us yesterday. We felt terribly about what happened with his travel and we're so sorry about this. Everyone enjoyed meeting with him but at this time, we will not be moving forward. They felt he did a good job but it wasn't at the level for us to consider making an offer.
We wish him the best in his career wherever he goes.

I waited two days before giving this feedback to Hong. I didn't want to tell him the very next day because after such an exhausting travel and interview schedule, it would seem like the entire experience was a waste of time. However, on Tuesday, I emailed Hong and shared the news with him. His reply was simple,

I am sorry about that. I enjoyed meeting with them. I do think I could have done better on a couple of the questions they asked. But that is okay and I am happy to meet them.

Never once, from Hong, did the travel schedule come up. True, he was first generation American and as an immigrant to this country, he has probably traveled a really tough road. In fact, at Tsingua, he probably had many, many all nighters when it came to school work so who knows, maybe this wasn't such a big deal after all. But to me, I couldn't help but be in awe of this.

I don't watch much TV but one time, on a Saturday night, I saw this show where the contestant was a former military veteran and he was put in an aquarium of ice water for something like 25-30 minutes. His body temperature dropped into the mid/low 90's and his whole body basically froze up. If you've ever taken an ice bath, you have a mild idea of what this guy was going through. He was then removed from the aquarium and asked to run an obstacle course in a certain amount of time. Upon starting the course, his whole body was locked up and he had a lot of trouble even moving. Eventually he completed the course and you could just tell that he had been through pure hell. In a different sort of way, Hong went through a similar experience with my client:

Let's take a brilliant young software engineer, put him on a 14-15 hour travel schedule with no sleep and then put him in front of a group of the brightest software engineering minds in industry and grill him straight for 9 hours. And then he needs to rush off to the plane and fly back to California.

Folks, this is brutal. And the net result was a rejection. Hong had every opportunity to put blame on the travel schedule but not once did he do this.

In Closing -
Hey, no need to cry in our soup for Hong. He landed at Google and life is good. No sour grapes at all about the experience. After all, when you have the gift for software engineering, you can have a great career, a nice life and in the case of this interviewing experience, some really neat stories to tell. I just hope no software engineering candidate ever complains to Hong about not getting a good night's sleep and being tired at work :-).
Happy Vizag

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