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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 04:09 pm:       


Andhravodu:

/r/news lo trump ki pro comments aa. kalikalam mesharu, next /r/politics lo choostamemo




One thing I have observed is /r/new /r/politcs and /r/the_donald they all have same opinion on H1B

including hackernews

H1Bs ki gaddu kaalam daggara padindhi...also I have noticed that Second generation Indians (Citizens) slowly taking away jobs from H1Bs atleast in Bay Area (lot of companies LinkedIn, Google, Facebook, Gusto)
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 04:08 pm:       

Sessions sir , wants to prove that US have enough tech people , but they need to pay american salaries..
Now comes corporattions that are outsourcing all jobs to WITCH/OWN shops setups in 3rd grade country..
this is a direct and headon fight with WITCH and WITCH Only..
who ever have more than 15% H1B should start hire poor americans with tech skill..
I do see only corporate greed in this nothing else..
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 04:05 pm:       


Bithiri_bathi:


/r/news lo trump ki pro comments aa. kalikalam mesharu, next /r/politics lo choostamemo
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 04:00 pm:       

H1B gurunchi Americans entha baga alochisthunnaro ee comments choosthey telustundhi

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/637goe/computer_progr ammers_may_no_longer_be_eligible/
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 03:55 pm:       


Banam:

what is both the job desc are same bro?




actually I forgot the fact that you changed your company...if you swicth companies you have to start all over again
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 03:13 pm:       


Banam:



 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 02:59 pm:       


Banam:

what is both the job desc are same bro?



manodu conpuse ayyedu ..nuvvu employer change kabatti all shame to shame cheyyali..
okappudu ee cases lo kudaa 50% job duties same lekapothe porting bokkaiyedhi... ippudu adhi lite IT lo vunte chaalu, veelaithe alage vundelaga choosukooo not madatory...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 02:49 pm:       


Bayarea_bullodu:

Bro..Congrats on your job..Skill set enti kotha job lo?




Thanks Bro... Skill Set ETL ee..

DEVOPS meedha kooda vachayi kaani idhi FT ani idhi teesukunna...
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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 02:49 pm:       


Bithiri_bathi:

yep, if your old job desc and new job desc differs a lot then you need to start with PERM and eventually I-140, only good thing about this process is you get to keep your PD




what is both the job desc are same bro?
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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 01:42 pm:       


Banam:

Naa new company again need to open the paper add, file labor and i140 kadha annai?...




yep, if your old job desc and new job desc differs a lot then you need to start with PERM and eventually I-140, only good thing about this process is you get to keep your PD
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 01:40 pm:       


Banam:




Bro..Congrats on your job..Skill set enti kotha job lo?
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 01:32 pm:       


Jeffa:

If the GC job is paying less than today's H job, you are already in line with "employer ability to pay". Its good.



superrr.. thxsess annai..

Banam:

Naa new company again need to open the paper add, file labor and i140 kadha annai?...



shame to shame .. nee PD number neeku vasthadhi anthe...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 01:10 pm:       


Bithiri_bathi:



Naa new company again need to open the paper add, file labor and i140 kadha annai?...
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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 01:07 pm:       


Banam:

Na previous company lo title - Programmer analyst.. Ippudu present company lo title - ETL Developer. So emanna problem avutundha GC apply chesetappudu?

My I140 is approved with my old employer an year back...




When I got promoted, my company did not file a new I-140 or PERM, HR mentioned that if your responsibilities haven't changed by more than 50%, you should be good annaru

so alaney kanisthunnanu
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 12:53 pm:       


Twotown:

jaffa annai answer cheyyali.. weighting ?

naa perm lo level 1 petti file chesaaru anukundhaam.. Programmaer analsyst kindhaaa 60K etti...
H1 ki same level etti 60 k lca tho laginching anukundhaaam? ippudu trumpanna daya tho level 3 etti 78K lca teesam anukundhaam, so H1 konthalo kontha safe..

485 kadaa? are bewakoof nee perm level 1 raa .. neeku speciality occupation lo evadu bhe chesindhi denke bhe anochhaaa?




Kangaar padak thammi.
ivanni LCA time issues
LCA: Validates the existence of job and non-existence of the resource(you) for that job in the given market. Once you pass through that.. i140.
in i140: Validates the employer ability to pay and base validity of this employer and employment.
in i485: Its your issue.. your legal status maintenance, your records etc...
Thats a general category but youyescheeyeyes can dig anything at any stage across.

So, you dont need to worry if you crossed the PERM stage.
On the other hand, a future job can be lower level or low paid to the current job, I dont see any legal constraint around it. Its between you and your employer contract about that job.

If the GC job is paying less than today's H job, you are already in line with "employer ability to pay". Its good.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 12:10 pm:       


Starc:

anni india lo set chesi.. kursondi.. ...


annai nuvvu safe ee kadaa..
Twitter naa 1K $ eppudu istaavu..
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 12:06 pm:       

vad manalni rafe seyyadaniki decide ayyadu.. inga tappadu..

anni india lo set chesi.. kursondi.. ... appudu jo hoga .. hoga.. ani undocchu..

akkada kaka.. ikkada kaka ani kursunte.. paristithi goram ga untundi
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 12:04 pm:       


Banam:

Na previous company lo title - Programmer analyst.. Ippudu present company lo title - ETL Developer. So emanna problem avutundha GC apply chesetappudu?



lite as long as you in same field (IT)
PA generic .. ETL specific anukuni mundhu ellatame...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 12:03 pm:       


Nservicebus:

100k annadi only h1 dependent companies ke



appudu kudaa ala ela pedatharu.. oka level define cheyyali location parangaa... naa tokkalo location ki 100K , cali lo 100k how possible .. so adhi ayyedhi kaadhu sachhehi kaadhu ... max level 4 set chestharu.. adhi kudaa doola teerusthadhi max cases lo.. antha easy kaadhu aa wage maintain cheyyatam ...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 12:01 pm:       


Banam:




GC lo nuvvu emi ettina i.e title/sal emi ettina l8 endukante adi future job. but when you change job and port i-140 majority of the responsibilities atleast 60% match avvali
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:57 am:       


Bithiri_bathi:



Twotown:



Nservicebus:




Annai's -

Na previous company lo title - Programmer analyst.. Ippudu present company lo title - ETL Developer. So emanna problem avutundha GC apply chesetappudu?

My I140 is approved with my old employer an year back...
Green Bay PACKERS ||San Antonio SPURS ||Sachin Ramesh TENDULKAR
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:52 am:       


Twotown:

bullshit annattu asala min salary concept ala ela chestharu.. ala pettali anna vallaki min sense ledhu.. oka vela alanti senseless dhi pedithe manam ikkada vundatam kudaa waste...

oka vela changes chesthe min level 4 ( ante topu ane kadha , allaki kavalisnhi adhe)ani pedtharu.. ala set chestharu.. naa client location place lo kuda level 4 anthe vundhi hehehe..




100k annadi only h1 dependent companies ke. startups ki or not dependent companies ki still they can file for 70k.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:48 am:       


Nservicebus:

but min sal 100k chesthe e title work kadu anukutnunna level 4 lo kooda $73k ne undi.



bullshit annattu asala min salary concept ala ela chestharu.. ala pettali anna vallaki min sense ledhu.. oka vela alanti senseless dhi pedithe manam ikkada vundatam kudaa waste...

oka vela changes chesthe min level 4 ( ante topu ane kadha , allaki kavalisnhi adhe)ani pedtharu.. ala set chestharu.. naa client location place lo kuda level 4 anthe vundhi hehehe..
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:47 am:       


Twotown:

Desi




desi.

sr. developer ani employment letter lo vundi. petition lo em vundo telidu inkaa
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:45 am:       


Asdf:


ipudu naa previous gc dentlo file sesaro telidu



edhi lite annaru kadha andharu.. naaku telusu kaani ..rapid developments choosi edaina jaragochhu...ippudu thinking waste.

Asdf:

also current H1b



current H1 Desi or videsi? min lo min level 2 ayithe pedharu.. inka videsi ayithe allu elagoo ekkuve pedatharu...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:44 am:       


Banam:

LCA meedha wage rate lo From 95K to 135k ani vundhi..




Generally konni companies range pedatharu ee Salary lo...in case you get promoted and get a hike they don't have to file another LCA and can claim that your position falls within the original LCA that was filed previously
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:43 am:       


Twotown:

exactly edhe naa point..maa vodu 3 ettanu annadu monnati vraaku 2 vundhi annadu...
H1 Cheap bokka ani edise vallu kudaa .. deeni gurunche anukuntaaa.. level 3 and above edithe musukuni kurchuntaaru..
Job title same to same.




but min sal 100k chesthe e title work kadu anukutnunna level 4 lo kooda $73k ne undi.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:42 am:       


Banam:


LCA meedha wage rate lo From 95K to 135k ani vundhi..

What does it mean?.. inthaka mundhu eppudu static doller amount choosinattu gurthu




alage peduthunnaru ee middle lo so 95K min? annattu... even perm lo kudaa alage peduthunnaru ...so fine
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:42 am:       


Banam:

LCA meedha wage rate lo From 95K to 135k ani vundhi..




Min sal 95k annattu neeku.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:41 am:       


Twotown:

nee perm or H1 lca lo ee level pettaroo daani batti vuntaadi...
bokkalaga ee sari naa h1 lca lo level 3 petta, kaani GC lo level 2 vundhi anukuntaa, cross check cheyyali?

level 4 vunte aaaram annattu... rest ee codes anni matti mashanam...




ipudu naa previous gc dentlo file sesaro telidu, also current H1b. ipudu nenu em seyali
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:40 am:       


Nservicebus:

LCA lo wage level undi.. nadi 1 set chesaru so that means low level developer ani artham anukuntunna..ika nundi min 3 or 4 undali next time extension ki evarikina.



exactly edhe naa point..maa vodu 3 ettanu annadu monnati vraaku 2 vundhi annadu...
H1 Cheap bokka ani edise vallu kudaa .. deeni gurunche anukuntaaa.. level 3 and above edithe musukuni kurchuntaaru..
Job title same to same.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:39 am:       


Twotown:




LCA meedha wage rate lo From 95K to 135k ani vundhi..

What does it mean?.. inthaka mundhu eppudu static doller amount choosinattu gurthu..
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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:38 am:       


Twotown:

mari ela verify chestharu .. naa recent lca choodaledhu kaani ekkuva pettam annadu.. same title no change. endukante client/vendor letters lo adhe mention cheyinchu annaru alage chesaa.. denemma enni permutations and combinations ehe ee ech1...




LCA lo wage level undi.. nadi 1 set chesaru so that means low level developer ani artham anukuntunna..ika nundi min 3 or 4 undali next time extension ki evarikina.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:34 am:       


Nservicebus:



edhigoo ikkada same occupation different levels ki wage determination vundhi.. hehe .. naadhi
http://www.flcdatacenter.com/OESQuick.aspx
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:25 am:       


Nservicebus:

job title, code, sal ne undi lca lo...even verified i-129, nothing is there



mari ela verify chestharu .. naa recent lca choodaledhu kaani ekkuva pettam annadu.. same title no change. endukante client/vendor letters lo adhe mention cheyinchu annaru alage chesaa.. denemma enni permutations and combinations ehe ee ech1...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:21 am:       


Twotown:

LCA teesi nappudu vuntaadhi anukuntaa... adhe kadhaa monnati varaku gola ... min level etti takkuva pay chesthunnaru ani... cheap etc ani...lca lo ekkadaa ledhaa? choodali ayithe .. perm lo ayithe clear gaa vuntaadhi...




job title, code, sal ne undi lca lo...even verified i-129, nothing is there
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:19 am:       

I-140 level lo edina ettachhu...level 2 or level 3 endukante adi future job.. but h1 appudu matram strict ga undali.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:18 am:       


Twotown:


fraud ani prove aite tappa, you don't need to do another perm. chelli pelli mallee cheyali ante anta simple kadu. alanti rule emanna vaste iv vadi lawsuit paduddi, oka 3 months tarvata withdraw chestaru. nee application/company fraud emi lekapote sit tite
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:18 am:       


Nservicebus:

but h1 lca meeda ledu



LCA teesi nappudu vuntaadhi anukuntaa... adhe kadhaa monnati varaku gola ... min level etti takkuva pay chesthunnaru ani... cheap etc ani...lca lo ekkadaa ledhaa? choodali ayithe .. perm lo ayithe clear gaa vuntaadhi...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:15 am:       


Twotown:

nee perm or H1 lca lo ee level pettaroo daani batti vuntaadi...
bokkalaga ee sari naa h1 lca lo level 3 petta, kaani GC lo level 2 vundhi anukuntaa, cross check cheyyali?

level 4 vunte aaaram annattu... rest ee codes anni matti mashanam...




levels emi levu mari...just verified lca and had only one code. GC ki levels unnayi.. adi 3 ettaru appudu. but h1 lca meeda ledu
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:12 am:       


Andhravodu:

485 daggara general ga issues emi undavu, labor and 140 clearing first

140 stage datesi unte, relax and sit tite vunkle




adhe confirming ?.. nenu kindha cheppindhi kudaa adhe ..h1 maintianing ki codes kaadhu lca lo levels main ani ...
perm lo level 2 vundhi naaku issues telvadhu ani cheppa.. others version kudaa vindham ani emanna bokkalu vuntaayemo ani.. inpermation is wealth kadha annai...

kaani future lo edhi kelike chances vundochhu emo kadha?
malli perm file cheyyi bhe ani..never know.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:11 am:       

NON IT masters degree vundi Architect role lo lca file sestha emanna problems vuntaya future extensions ki i140 kuda approved, had IT experience before joining this job.
Tracking vunna chota week tracking leni chota strongeâ¦â¦â¦.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:08 am:       


Twotown:

485 kadaa? are bewakoof nee perm level 1 raa .. neeku speciality occupation lo evadu bhe chesindhi denke bhe anochhaaa?


485 daggara general ga issues emi undavu, labor and 140 clearing first

140 stage datesi unte, relax and sit tite vunkle
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:05 am:       


Jeffa:

enduku alaa saavagotting??



jaffa annai answer cheyyali.. weighting ?

naa perm lo level 1 petti file chesaaru anukundhaam.. Programmaer analsyst kindhaaa 60K etti...
H1 ki same level etti 60 k lca tho laginching anukundhaaam? ippudu trumpanna daya tho level 3 etti 78K lca teesam anukundhaam, so H1 konthalo kontha safe..

485 kadaa? are bewakoof nee perm level 1 raa .. neeku speciality occupation lo evadu bhe chesindhi denke bhe anochhaaa?
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 11:00 am:       


Banam:

Applied on 29th and receipt date 31st ani vundhi...applied thru VCS



mamoolu sudi kaadhi needhi .. good for you ..
naadhi fedex date 21st .. UScheesss date 30 th ani vundhi
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 10:57 am:       

Update - I have recieved the receipt today...

Applied on 29th and receipt date 31st ani vundhi...applied thru VCS
Green Bay PACKERS ||San Antonio SPURS ||Sachin Ramesh TENDULKAR
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 10:56 am:       


Hero:

https://www.murthy.com/2017/04/04/newsflash-dhs-considering- revisions-to-h-4-ead-program/


sachindi gorre...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 10:55 am:       

Mr. Yates recalled some mishaps, like the time a driver bound for the center in Vermont drove 50 miles unaware that his trucks back door had swung open, spilling its cargo onto the road.


mana h1 packet ila gaali ki egiripothe endi paristiti..
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 10:54 am:       


Twotown:

perm lo computer programmer ani petti?

H1 lo ee ala kaka veregaa chestharaa?




i mean levels..
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 10:52 am:       


Jeffa:

H1 ki, as long as you dont lie across these..



elagoo please briefu...
h1 and perm seperate trackts agreed..
perm lo computer programmer ani petti?

H1 lo ee ala kaka veregaa chestharaa? ee middle changes vachhayi anukuntaa , oka vela vasthe ? ala raka mundhu ela vundedhi?
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 10:52 am:       

https://www.murthy.com/2017/04/04/newsflash-dhs-considering- revisions-to-h-4-ead-program/
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 10:50 am:       


Twotown:



nee perm or H1 lca lo ee level pettaroo daani batti vuntaadi...
bokkalaga ee sari naa h1 lca lo level 3 petta, kaani GC lo level 2 vundhi anukuntaa, cross check cheyyali?

level 4 vunte aaaram annattu... rest ee codes anni matti mashanam...




H1 ki, PERM ki sambandam ledu saami.. enduku alaa saavagotting?? as long as you dont lie across these.. they are distinct..
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 10:50 am:       


Sannayi_nokkulu:

maaa employer gadu ee year saganiki sagam taginchadu...



ani manaki eduthunnaru
reality lo https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/us/tech-visa-applications -h1b.html
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 10:46 am:       


Nservicebus:



but mana employeers e code lo file chesado ela telisiddi.
https://www.bls.gov/soc/2010/soc151130.htm
indulo emi chuinchadam leduga senior/junior level ani




nee perm or H1 lca lo ee level pettaroo daani batti vuntaadi...
bokkalaga ee sari naa h1 lca lo level 3 petta, kaani GC lo level 2 vundhi anukuntaa, cross check cheyyali?

level 4 vunte aaaram annattu... rest ee codes anni matti mashanam...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 10:38 am:       


Sannayi_nokkulu:

ani cheppadu kada.....so if you were working it should be sernior level




but mana employeers e code lo file chesado ela telisiddi.
https://www.bls.gov/soc/2010/soc151130.htm
indulo emi chuinchadam leduga senior/junior level ani
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 10:28 am:       

Hmmm...I feel sorry for new F1 ..its getting them suffocated.. i too went through that process 15 years back..
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 08:56 am:       


Aggipidugu116:


ade kada saami recent h1bs situation na Ghar na ghatka type lo jr level lo work cheyoddhu Poni sr level lo cheste pekudu antaru
sachipotava , avineethi ga batukutava okkate option ante alochinchakunda chachipotaa ane type cbn - OT
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 08:48 am:       

What abt f1 CS students who genuinely staart their carrier in their field as fresher?
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 07:22 am:       


Rambo_999:

particularly those in entry-level positions


ani cheppadu kada.....so if you were working it should be sernior level
sachipotava , avineethi ga batukutava okkate option ante alochinchakunda chachipotaa ane type cbn - OT
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 01:28 am:       


Sp1234:




Ma vadu abdhari kii computer prgmr aney file chesthadu including me..so. what are challenges?
Galli gallii...lolli lolli...
dhedthedi pochama gudi..
makikiririir Hyderavadh poraganii.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 12:59 am:       

Murthy.com

On March 31, 2017, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) released a policy memorandum that may affect the ability of some persons employed as computer programmers to obtain H1B status. The new memorandum specifically revokes a December 22, 2000 memo that had been issued by the USCIS Nebraska Service Center, which had stated that a computer programmer position would generally qualify as a âspecialty occupationâ and be eligible for approval of an H1B petition. The new memorandum advises that persons employed as computer programmers, particularly those in entry-level positions, may not be considered to be employed in a âspecialty occupation,â and may not qualify for H1B status, because a bachelorâs degree in a specific field may not be required for the position. The USCIS states in the memorandum that this is not a change in policy. However, the language of the memorandum does appear to present some new challenges to companies in the IT field.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 09:56 pm:       


Ntr_rocks:

ee sari sagam consulting H1's ki band padatadi anukuntunna...


maaa employer gadu ee year saganiki sagam taginchadu...
sachipotava , avineethi ga batukutava okkate option ante alochinchakunda chachipotaa ane type cbn - OT
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 08:43 pm:       


Bayarea_bullodu:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/us/tech-visa-applications -h1b.html

2017-2018 lo survive avvadam recession time lo kante kashtam ayettu undi...


ee sari sagam consulting H1's ki band padatadi anukuntunna...
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 08:02 pm:       

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/us/tech-visa-applications -h1b.html

2017-2018 lo survive avvadam recession time lo kante kashtam ayettu undi...
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 06:42 pm:       

dharma sandeham :: putting amlikan workers 1st antunnadu ante GC valla ni kuda lite aa?? vadi basha lo amleikan ante tella tolu ani meaning aa?
sachipotava , avineethi ga batukutava okkate option ante alochinchakunda chachipotaa ane type cbn - OT
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 04:29 pm:       

Sessions warn h1 Employers

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/848920588144062469
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 03:39 pm:       


Jai_ycp:

ployer who is abusing H1B system, you dont need to worry.

i am out of this thread.




Please . do not come to Immigration threads...

H1b meeda vunnollaki ni posts gina-alla digutunnai .....
Sensation(About Bala):He can win in atleast half of the segments in Rayalaseema. Emi matladutunnavo neeku telusa. He can contest any where in coastal and rayalaseema districts. I personally feel he should contest from Srikakulam dt.

Jagan|Modi|
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 03:36 pm:       


Bithiri_bathi:

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/637m7q/compute r_programmers_may_no_longer_be_eligible/


ante manaki ivvara inka H1 ?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 03:36 pm:       


Kantha_rao:

https://www.uscis.gov/news/news-releases/putting-american-wo rkers-first-uscis-announces-further-measures-detect-h-1b-vis a-fraud-and-abuse




H1b inka tough life man...
Sensation(About Bala):He can win in atleast half of the segments in Rayalaseema. Emi matladutunnavo neeku telusa. He can contest any where in coastal and rayalaseema districts. I personally feel he should contest from Srikakulam dt.

Jagan|Modi|
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 03:33 pm:       

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/637m7q/compute r_programmers_may_no_longer_be_eligible/
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 03:21 pm:       

http://www.newsindiatimes.com/h-4-visa-ead-might-be-safe-til l-october-1-2017-as-trump-administration-asks-for-6-months-t ime-in-case/25796
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:53 pm:       


Nservicebus:

h4ead, l2 ead, TN visas all are out antunanru ga online forums lo....subram ga gokuthunnadu andarini




http://immigrationgirl.com/dhs-asks-the-court-to-hold-the-h- 4-ead-case-for-six-months/
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:51 pm:       

>>LCA lo home address kuda mention cheyali... alternative work location ani.

oh ok..okavela last h1 extension apudu home address pettakapothe h1 amendment file cheyala ?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:48 pm:       

wow...last one hour lo inka emanna latest updates vachayaa?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:48 pm:       

h4ead, l2 ead, TN visas all are out antunanru ga online forums lo....subram ga gokuthunnadu andarini
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:41 pm:       


Rebel:

ekkuva WFH chesvallaki how does these site visits effect ?




LCA lo home address kuda mention cheyali... alternative work location ani.
Jai Andhra!! Jai Jai Andhra!!!
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:40 pm:       


Bharat:

My client moved the office to a new address which is about four miles from the old address . What is the process for this site visit? What happens if they can't find me at the old address?


That should be fine.. ur legal dept should technically update all the govt agencies about the address change..

If they dont find you, they will call the HR and get the new address.. nothing to worry..
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:40 pm:       


Meghan:

Five years back I am legal and am authorized to work with the same qualification , But today I am being let out for being a law abiding tax paying citizen...




hehehe H1B is *temporary* working VISA thammudu....nuvvu misunderstand chesukunnav ante enti parisisthithi....evari acting cheyali appudu....
The best Odarpu
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:38 pm:       


Sesani:

ponile.. 3k saved.. guddila mella




optimism ki amma husband idhi
Dharmam gelavani Chota... Tappadhu Kathula veta ... thappu oppedho.. samharam tarvatha !!
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:37 pm:       

ekkuva WFH chesvallaki how does these site visits effect ?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:35 pm:       

Deport chesthe bayata oka press meet pettandi........

I am talking for my daughter who is an American citizen and still a minor.... I spent 5 Plus years of my life paying taxes working lawfully.
I dont understand why my child has to give her birth rights up and study in a third world country.
Why she should loose the love of her parents to pursue her dreams in her own country.
Five years back I am legal and am authorized to work with the same qualification , But today I am being let out for being a law abiding tax paying citizen...
All the while they robbed of my medicare and social security taxes ......
Theey deliberaletly slowed down y path to citizenship.
This is the suppose to a country of hard working immigrants...
Sollu
sollu
sollu
sollu....



Mee edupuki senate kadili ravali... Aaa level iragadeeyandi.... Meeru Oka Chiru, balayya avavndi...
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:31 pm:       


Amaravathi:

avasaram ledhu sesham... aalle deport chestaru daggirundi


ponile.. 3k saved.. guddila mella
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:31 pm:       

My client moved the office to a new address which is about four miles from the old address . What is the process for this site visit? What happens if they can't find me at the old address?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:29 pm:       


Sesani:

tickets book seskovaala?




avasaram ledhu sesham... aalle deport chestaru daggirundi
Dharmam gelavani Chota... Tappadhu Kathula veta ... thappu oppedho.. samharam tarvatha !!
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:28 pm:       

bottom line ettandi mee kaal moktha.. tickets book seskovaala?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:27 pm:       


Xxx:


aa article gist: Trump is talking to improve American workers vs. H1b, but he hasn't done anything (Never mind that Obama was president for a little longer period ). Obama created an org called techhire, andulo 1k employers unnaru. No details provided on how many American workers were placed through that techhire program
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:21 pm:       


Sannayi_nokkulu:

payments oka lo eeka




exactly ... stopped opening news articles and also reducing to read in this db
-
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:19 pm:       


Xxx:

paid little more


immigration headaches mind as payments oka lo eeka
sachipotava , avineethi ga batukutava okkate option ante alochinchakunda chachipotaa ane type cbn - OT
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:16 pm:       


Andhravodu:

context is talking about American workers




did not understand , like what he did to economy aanena ? when bush left we know what it is and what it is when obama left
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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:15 pm:       


Xxx:

H4 ead got it in his peroid only


context is talking about American workers saarvadu
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:13 pm:       


Andhravodu:

obama edo peekadu anatam




H4 ead got it in his peroid only , it helped many , thokkalo health care, paid little more
-
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:12 pm:       


Ferrari:

Too much of abuse by WITCH companies ani post inkka padaledha..


Too much of abuse by WITCH companies
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:12 pm:       


Ntr_rocks:

manaki kuda band eega




chepanu kaada , previously if you had paid little more to the bucket of health care no one cared. Now each day we have to keep worrying what next
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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:08 pm:       


Sony:


choosa, trump meeda edupu, obama edo peekadu anatam. aa tech hire endo, 1k employers anta, oka 1k people ayina place ayyara?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:07 pm:       

Too much of abuse by WITCH companies ani post inkka padaledha..
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:04 pm:       


Dma:

Here, majority people are trying to move along their life... you dont need to give more negative enery for them.




+1
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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:03 pm:       


Andhravodu:

eedi badha endi?


emi jargavu, 1 year postponed due to high lobbying antunadu, saduvu bagundi link
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:01 pm:       


Jai_ycp:

Unless you are an employer who is abusing H1B system, you dont need to worry.




me personally - have not done any H1B for anybody in the last 20 years for any.
done it 20 years ago and realized it is not my cup of tea.
Jai Andhra!! Jai Jai Andhra!!!
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 01:59 pm:       


Dma:




endhi ee aveshamu. Bench time lo kuda salary ichi rules follow avvu ante nannu edo sadist annattu a apost emiti. Na immigration status neeku telusa?

Unless you are an employer who is abusing H1B system, you dont need to worry.

i am out of this thread.
the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ
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the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 01:59 pm:       


Sony:

https://www.wired.com


eedi badha endi?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 01:56 pm:       


Bharat:

looks like desi consultancy employees will have bad time



paapam
Ignore spam and AJ.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 01:52 pm:       

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/trumps-h-1b-visa-limits-mean-n othing-without-training-us/
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 01:51 pm:       


Jai_ycp:

Jai_ycp






Nee M ki oka dandam.

Please stay away from immigration threads.

we all know... you crossed the bridge. we all know that as an american, you feel like all H1B guys are fraudulent.

Please go elsewhere to express your happiness for the things happening.

Here, majority people are trying to move along their life... you dont need to give more negative enery for them.

Please please stay away from immigration threads in this db.

TIA

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Sannayi_nokkulu:

mundu pogottadi... andarni booking sesthad



ala enduku anukovali. he will start paying consultants full salary on bench too. Might be the ratio will be more to accommodate these bench times. manchidhe kadha.
the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ
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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 01:48 pm:       

aye rules ni mixie lo esi rojuki oka link edtunar ee USCIS edavalu

arey USCIS please work on approvals, ee thokkalo documents peru cheppi extended vacation inkenni days enjoy chestaru
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 01:46 pm:       


Ntr_rocks:

manaki kuda band eega.




nenu kuda adhe category....ilaa ayithe inka kashtam manaki ikada undatam
 

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Jai_ycp:

should not target employees


mundu pogottadi...:D andarni booking sesthad
sachipotava , avineethi ga batukutava okkate option ante alochinchakunda chachipotaa ane type cbn - OT
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 01:44 pm:       


Bharat:



looks like desi consultancy employees will have bad time


manaki kuda band eega...madhya 1 month gap vunapudu vaste, emi avutam...
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 01:43 pm:       


Kantha_rao:

https://www.uscis.gov/news/news-releases/putting-american-wo rkers-first-uscis-announces-further-measures-detect-h-1b-vis a-fraud-and-abuse



right move. they should not target employees but focus on employers who abuse. this exercise is good for locals and immigrants too.
the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ
http://goo.gl/gn6XL5
the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 01:43 pm:       


Kantha_rao:

https://www.uscis.gov/news/news-releases/putting-american-wo rkers-first-uscis-announces-further-measures-detect-h-1b-vis a-fraud-and-abuse




looks like desi consultancy employees will have bad time :-(
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 01:35 pm:       

Latest...just few mins ago

https://www.uscis.gov/news/news-releases/putting-american-wo rkers-first-uscis-announces-further-measures-detect-h-1b-vis a-fraud-and-abuse
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 01:06 pm:       

Singapore
bump to Sushma Swaraj
http://www.eenadu.net/homeinner.aspx?category=home&item=%20b reak153
Ignore spam and AJ.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:54 am:       

This is specifically addressed to Nebraska service center. That means Vermont center has already been following this for some time, right? It seems they sent it specifically for NSC because NSC started processing H1Bs only recently?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:51 am:       


Thokkalohdi:

so august-september lo flight tickets tvaralo cheap avuthayi..




Nee kinda post prakaram, manaki ticket avasaram appude undadhu kada. Experience undhi kabatii
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:49 am:       


Whitecollar:

Ee lopu India ticket 1+1 offer emain undemo choodu.. Leka manam unna padava lone podaama?




ee rule valla US universities ki pedda debba... but slowwww gaa taguluddi... so august-september lo flight tickets tvaralo cheap avuthayi..

IT/CSE lo leni students ki matter cheppandi...
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:46 am:       


Abhysg:

aa documentation ye ala untadi...eppati nundo undi same rule.. pichalite




akkada memo anedi just chumma tamasha ki ivvaru babu... idemmana free monday pink shirt type memo anukunnava... akkada rules ni different ga interpret cheyyandi ani directive from management.

vallu akkada adi pettaru antey.. definetly Jobs with no IT experience requirement are not considered Speciality Occupation anymore.

meaning... fresh MS batch vallaki just because they have a higher degree in US they cannot be considered for entry level jobs and such a job cannot be considered speciality occupation. adi matterru... ikaada inko litigation enti antey... papam IT/CSE field lo master chesinaa... Job descriptions sakkaga veyyakapothey dummu duluptharu..
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:43 am:       


Thokkalohdi:

anedi inkoddi rojulloo telipodd


kind ichina UTube link chudu ippude telsipoddi
sachipotava , avineethi ga batukutava okkate option ante alochinchakunda chachipotaa ane type cbn - OT
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:41 am:       


Thokkalohdi:

nenu adey padava lo unna. suitcase aythey kothavi rendu pettuko... battalu etttala vadda anedi inkoddi rojulloo telipoddi...




Ee lopu India ticket 1+1 offer emain undemo choodu.. Leka manam unna padava lone podaama?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:40 am:       


Whitecollar:

Matter cheppu.. Nenu licked aa kaadhaa? BTech Non-IT, 15 years of experience.. Suitcase sadheyyala?




nenu adey padava lo unna. suitcase aythey kothavi rendu pettuko... battalu etttala vadda anedi inkoddi rojulloo telipoddi...
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:38 am:       


Rowdy:

Adi lite teeskuni inkoti apply chesam


same or different employer?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:36 am:       


Just4fun:



Adi lite teeskuni inkoti apply chesam
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:35 am:       


Rowdy:

Same case meeda reject madindu nannu already


next emaindi Rowdy raja? iT exp undi reply chesava
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:32 am:       


Starc:

current job mundu.. IT experience undi.. Graduate unte fine..




Thanks Annay..
Ayina ee desam lo undali ane korika roju rojuki chachipothondi..
Life lo prime antha ee status kosam fight lone ayyipothondhi.. Naaku oka card leka povatam valla I was denied a position.
Inko 4-5 years aagithe, India vellaleka undali.. So seriously thinking about R2I. Velle denkeyyamante naa decision easy avvudhi..

Annee mana manchike..
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:27 am:       


Whitecollar:




current job mundu.. IT experience undi.. Graduate unte fine..

IT experience lekunda.. unte bokka
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:25 am:       


Ntr_rocks:




Matter cheppu.. Nenu licked aa kaadhaa? BTech Non-IT, 15 years of experience.. Suitcase sadheyyala?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:24 am:       


Ntr_rocks:




16 years ke, 45 ayyipodha nataraja.. Nenu bala karmikudi ga work start chesanu.. Ippatikinka naa vayasu ninda 30 ye..
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:24 am:       


Gandhiguevara:

Bottom line yeti?



This memorandum is intended solely for the training and guidance of USCIS personnel in performing their duties relative to the adjudication of applications and petitions

--

The memo is hinting the USCIS officers to approve applications that have IT Education background or highly qualified (Experience/skills in IT etc)
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:24 am:       


Thokkalohdi:

Manam submit chesthey saripodu , vallu nee argument accept.cheyyali kada.

Definetly big blow. Rod diginattey





aa documentation ye ala untadi...eppati nundo undi same rule.. pichalite
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:21 am:       


Whitecollar:

16 years IT experience undhi.


varini nuvvu naa lekka early 30's anukunna...45 aa nee age...
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:18 am:       

Non-IT degree tho, 16 years IT experience undhi.. Nenu licked?
Naa H1 2019 varaku undhi.. So extension appudu problem avvudha leka ippude denkeyyamantara?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:15 am:       


Abhysg:


Manam submit chesthey saripodu , vallu nee argument accept.cheyyali kada.

Definetly big blow. Rod diginattey
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:11 am:       


Keko_keka:

Fresh grads from non-IT specialization ki debba.




idi kooda buss avuddi.. ikkada MS sesina prati vallu.. IT/CSE related branch teeskontar.. inlcuding MBA (MIS)... so picha lite.. unless someone goes for other branches.. ala unna kooda they can say.. some IT/CSE Subjects part of their degree.. ani...

seetha tho antha veasy kaadu
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 10:09 am:       

IT experience vunna vallu safe as they can prove that it is equivalent. Fresh grads from non-IT specialization ki debba.
 

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Starc:

Equalant ki either you should have experience in IT fields before current job with your graduation.

Ippudu unna rules lo antha clarity ledu.. but with memorandum vacchaka.. aa point mida kummutharu anukunta..

H1b lo extension ellinappudu kummutharu emo




bokka la undi.. aa "equilant" ni tesestene emanna impact.. lekunte antha as usual... okka "equilant" word tho manollu entha racha lepagalro evadiki telvadu..

final ga..
 

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Nothing new in the memo ... Same case meeda reject madindu nannu already ...
 

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Abhysg:


Equalant ki either you should have experience in IT fields before current job with your graduation.

Ippudu unna rules lo antha clarity ledu.. but with memorandum vacchaka.. aa point mida kummutharu anukunta..

H1b lo extension ellinappudu kummutharu emo
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 09:59 am:       

googl type companies do not care about the degree?
they can always fight individual cases.regular companies can not
 

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Starc:

If you do not have IT or equivalent your h1b would be in trouble.




this has been the rule all along.

They are going with the lopp "equivalent"...
How is it going to change now?
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Starc:



If you do not have IT or equivalent your h1b would be in trouble




equilant ani ela decide sestar... andaroo equilant ani prove seyyagalaru.. with some educational evaluation tho
 

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Abhysg:




That is what memorandum says.

If you do not have IT or equivalent your h1b would be in trouble.
 

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https://youtu.be/2Tgc9m1IwNc
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Bottom line yeti?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 09:45 am:       


Starc:



Non IT graduates would have tough time




ante pure CSE/IT undala.. manollu chala unnaru kada.. MS lo some funny branches... BTech lo ECE/others lantidi..
 

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100K chesedattu vunnar...H1 vallaki chukkale

Today, there will be some news on H4 EAD
 

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Dma:




Non IT graduates would have tough time
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 09:37 am:       

#Denkeymantaaraa
Jai Andhra!! Jai Jai Andhra!!!
 

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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2017 - 09:16 am:       

the plain
language of the statutory and regulatory definition of âspecialty occupationâ requires in part that
the proffered position have a minimum entry requirement of a U.S. bachelorâs or higher degree
in the specific specialty, or its equivalent. See section 214(i)(1) of the Act; 8 CFR
214.2(h)(4)(ii).7
 

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Sannayi_nokkulu:

h4 vaalaki pettalsona rule consfuse ayipoyi manaki pettadwmo




E edava gola anta enduku? pommante happy ga potam B loki roju gola ipotundi vella to.
 

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Mass:


h4 vaalaki pettalsona rule consfuse ayipoyi manaki pettadwmo
sachipotava , avineethi ga batukutava okkate option ante alochinchakunda chachipotaa ane type cbn - OT
 

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Emantunnadu IT Degree mandatory a aithe mostly?
 

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https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/nativedocume nts/PM-6002-0142-H-1BComputerRelatedPositionsRecission.pdf


Not clear any thing but issued last night

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